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What Good Can a Handgun Do Against an Army.....?
End The War on Freedom ^ | June 18, 2003 | Bill St. Clair

Posted on 08/10/2009 3:48:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

A friend of mine recently forwarded me a question a friend of his had posed: "If/when our Federal Government comes to pilfer, pillage, plunder our property and destroy our lives, what good can a handgun do against an army with advanced weaponry, tanks, missiles, planes, or whatever else they might have at their disposal to achieve their nefarious goals? (I'm not being facetious: I accept the possibility that what happened in Germany, or similar, could happen here; I'm just not sure that the potential good from an armed citizenry in such a situation outweighs the day-to-day problems caused by masses of idiots who own guns.)" If I may, I'd like to try to answer that question. I certainly do not think the writer facetious for asking it. The subject is a serious one that I have given much research and considerable thought to. I believe that upon the answer to this question depends the future of our Constitutional republic, our liberty and perhaps our lives. My friend Aaron Zelman, one of the founders of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, once told me:

"If every Jewish and anti-nazi family in Germany had owned a Mauser rifle and twenty rounds of ammunition AND THE WILL TO USE IT (emphasis supplied, MV), Adolf Hitler would be a little-known footnote to the history of the Weimar Republic."

Note well that phrase: "and the will to use it," for the simply-stated question, "What good can a handgun do against an army?", is in fact a complex one and must be answered at length and carefully. It is a military question. It is also a political question. But above all it is a moral question which strikes to the heart of what makes men free, and what makes them slaves. First, let's answer the military question. Most military questions have both a strategic and a tactical component. Let's consider the tactical.

A friend of mine owns an instructive piece of history. It is a small, crude pistol, made out of sheet-metal stampings by the U.S. during World War II. While it fits in the palm of your hand and is a slowly-operated, single-shot arm, it's powerful .45 caliber projectile will kill a man with brutal efficiency. With a short, smooth-bore barrel it can reliably kill only at point blank ranges, so its use requires the will (brave or foolhardy) to get in close before firing. It is less a soldier's weapon than an assassin's tool. The U.S. manufactured them by the million during the war, not for our own forces but rather to be air-dropped behind German lines to resistance units in occupied Europe. Crude and slow (the fired case had to be knocked out of the breech by means of a little wooden dowel, a fresh round procured from the storage area in the grip and then manually reloaded and cocked) and so wildly inaccurate it couldn't hit the broad side of a French barn at 50 meters, to the Resistance man or woman who had no firearm it still looked pretty darn good. The theory and practice of it was this: First, you approach a German sentry with your little pistol hidden in your coat pocket and, with Academy-award sincerity, ask him for a light for your cigarette (or the time the train leaves for Paris, or if he wants to buy some non-army-issue food or a perhaps half-hour with your "sister"). When he smiles and casts a nervous glance down the street to see where his Sergeant is at, you blow his brains out with your first and only shot, then take his rifle and ammunition. Your next few minutes are occupied with "getting out of Dodge," for such critters generally go around in packs. After that (assuming you evade your late benefactor's friends) you keep the rifle and hand your little pistol to a fellow Resistance fighter so they can go get their own rifle.

Or maybe you then use your rifle to get a submachine gun from the Sergeant when he comes running. Perhaps you get very lucky and pickup a light machine gun, two boxes of ammunition and a haversack of hand grenades. With two of the grenades and the expenditure of a half-a-box of ammunition at a hasty roadblock the next night, you and your friends get a truck full of arms and ammunition. (Some of the cargo is sticky with "Boche" blood, but you don't mind terribly.)

Pretty soon you've got the best armed little maquis unit in your part of France, all from that cheap little pistol and the guts to use it. (One wonders if the current political elite's opposition to so-called "Saturday Night Specials" doesn't come from some adopted racial memory of previous failed tyrants. Even cheap little pistols are a threat to oppressive regimes.)

They called the pistol the "Liberator." Not a bad name, all in all. Now let's consider the strategic aspect of the question, "What good can a handgun do against an army....?" We have seen that even a poor pistol can make a great deal of difference to the military career and postwar plans of one enemy soldier. That's tactical. But consider what a million pistols, or a hundred million pistols (which may approach the actual number of handguns in the U.S. today), can mean to the military planner who seeks to carry out operations against a populace so armed. Mention "Afghanistan" or "Chechnya" to a member of the current Russian military hierarchy and watch them shudder at the bloody memories. Then you begin to get the idea that modern munitions, air superiority and overwhelming, precision-guided violence still are not enough to make victory certain when the targets are not sitting Christmas-present fashion out in the middle of the desert.

I forget the name of the Senator who observed, "You know, a million here and a million there, and pretty soon you're talking about serious money." Consider that there are at least as many firearms--handguns, rifles and shotguns--as there are citizens of the United States. Consider that last year there were more than 14 million Americans who bought licenses to hunt deer in the country. 14 million--that's a number greater than the largest five professional armies in the world combined. Consider also that those deer hunters are not only armed, but they own items of military utility--everything from camouflage clothing to infrared "game finders", Global Positioning System devices and night vision scopes. Consider also that quite a few of these hunters are military veterans. Just as moving around in the woods and stalking game are second nature, military operations are no mystery to them, especially those who were on the receiving end of guerrilla war in Southeast Asia. Indeed, such men, aging though they may be, may be more psychologically prepared for the exigencies of civil war (for this is what we are talking about) than their younger active-duty brother-soldiers whose only military experience involved neatly defined enemies and fronts in the Grand Campaign against Saddam. Not since 1861-1865 has the American military attempted to wage a war athwart its own logistical tail (nor indeed has it ever had to use modern conventional munitions on the Main Streets of its own hometowns and through its' relatives backyards, nor has it tested the obedience of soldiers who took a very different oath with orders to kill their "rebellious" neighbors, but that touches on the political aspect of the question).

But forget the psychological and political for a moment, and consider just the numbers. To paraphrase the Senator, "A million pistols here, a million rifles there, pretty soon you're talking serious firepower." No one, repeat, no one, will conquer America, from within or without, until its citizenry are disarmed. We remain, as a British officer had reason to complain at the start of our Revolution, "a people numerous and armed." The Second Amendment is a political issue today only because of the military reality that underlies it. Politicians who fear the people seek to disarm them. People who fear their government's intentions refuse to be disarmed. The Founders understood this. So, too, does every tyrant who ever lived. Liberty-loving Americans forget it at their peril. Until they do, American gun owners in the aggregate represent a strategic military fact and an impediment to foreign tyranny. They also represent the greatest political challenge to home-grown would-be tyrants. If the people cannot be forcibly disarmed against their will, then they must be persuaded to give up their arms voluntarily. This is the siren song of "gun control," which is to say "government control of all guns," although few self-respecting gun-grabbers such as Charles Schumer would be quite so bold as to phrase it so honestly.

Joseph Stalin, when informed after World War II that the Pope disapproved of Russian troops occupying Trieste, turned to his advisors and asked, "The Pope? The Pope? How many divisions does he have?" Dictators are unmoved by moral suasion. Fortunately, our Founders saw the wisdom of backing the First Amendment up with the Second. The "divisions" of the army of American constitutional liberty get into their cars and drive to work in this country every day to jobs that are hardly military in nature. Most of them are unmindful of the service they provide. Their arms depots may be found in innumerable closets, gunracks and gunsafes. They have no appointed officers, nor will they need any until they are mobilized by events. Such guardians of our liberty perform this service merely by existing. And although they may be an ever-diminishing minority within their own country, as gun ownership is demonized and discouraged by the ruling elites, still they are as yet more than enough to perform their vital task. And if they are unaware of the impediment they present to their would-be rulers, their would-be rulers are painfully aware of these "divisions of liberty", as evidenced by their incessant calls for individual disarmament. They understand moral versus military force just as clearly as Stalin, but they would not be so indelicate as to quote him. The Roman Republic failed because they could not successfully answer the question, "Who Shall Guard the Guards?" The Founders of this Republic answered that question with both the First and Second Amendments. Like Stalin, the Clintonistas could care less what common folk say about them, but the concept of the armed citizenry as guarantors of their own liberties sets their teeth on edge and disturbs their statist sleep. Governments, some great men once avowed, derive their legitimacy from "the consent of the governed." In the country that these men founded, it should not be required to remind anyone that the people do not obtain their natural, God-given liberties by "the consent of the Government." Yet in this century, our once great constitutional republic has been so profaned in the pursuit of power and social engineering by corrupt leaders as to be unrecognizable to the Founders. And in large measure we have ourselves to blame because at each crucial step along the way the usurpers of our liberties have obtained the consent of a majority of the governed to do what they have done, often in the name of "democracy"--a political system rejected by the Founders. Another good friend of mine gave the best description of pure democracy I have ever heard. "Democracy," he concluded, "is three wolves and a sheep sitting down to vote on what to have for dinner." The rights of the sheep in this system are by no means guaranteed.

Now it is true that our present wolf-like, would-be rulers do not as yet seek to eat that sheep and its peaceable wooly cousins (We, the people). They are, however, most desirous that the sheep be shorn of taxes, and if possible and when necessary, be reminded of their rightful place in society as "good citizen sheep" whose safety from the big bad wolves outside their barn doors is only guaranteed by the omni-presence in the barn of the "good wolves" of the government. Indeed, they do not present themselves as wolves at all, but rather these lupines parade around in sheep's clothing, bleating insistently in falsetto about the welfare of the flock and the necessity to surrender liberty and property "for the children", er, ah, I mean "the lambs." In order to ensure future generations of compliant sheep, they are careful to educate the lambs in the way of "political correctness," tutoring them in the totalitarian faiths that "it takes a barnyard to raise a lamb" and "all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." Every now and then, some tough old independent-minded ram refuses to be shorn and tries to remind the flock that they once decided affairs themselves according to the rule of law of their ancestors, and without the help of their "betters." When that happens, the fangs become apparent and the conspicuously unwilling are shunned, cowed, driven off or (occasionally) killed. But flashing teeth or not, the majority of the flock has learned over time not to resist the Lupine-Mandarin class which herds it. Their Founders, who were fiercely independent rams, would have long ago chased off such usurpers. Any present members of the flock who think like that are denounced as antediluvian or mentally deranged. There are some of these dissidents the lupines would like to punish, but they dare not--for their teeth are every bit as long as their "betters." Indeed, this is the reason the wolves haven't eaten any sheep in generations. To the wolves chagrin, this portion of the flock is armed and they outnumber the wolves by a considerable margin. For now the wolves are content to watch the numbers of these "armed sheep" diminish, as long teeth are no longer fashionable in polite society. (Indeed, they are considered by the literati to be an anachronism best forgotten and such sheep are dismissed by the Mandarins as "Tooth Nuts" or "Right Leg Fanatics".) When the numbers of armed sheep fall below a level that the wolves can feel safe to do so, the eating will begin. The wolves are patient, and proceed by infinitesimal degrees like the slowly-boiling frog. It took them generations to lull the sheep into accepting them as rulers instead of elected representatives. If it takes another generation or two of sheep to complete the process, the wolves can wait. This is our "Animal Farm," without apology to George Orwell.

Even so, the truth is that one man with a pistol CAN defeat an army, given a righteous cause to fight for, enough determination to risk death for that cause, and enough brains, luck and friends to win the struggle. This is true in war but also in politics, and it is not necessary to be a Prussian militarist to see it. The dirty little secret of today's ruling elite as represented by the Clintonistas is that they want people of conscience and principle to be divided in as many ways as possible ("wedge issues" the consultants call them) so that they may be more easily manipulated. No issue of race, religion, class or economics is left unexploited. Lost in the din of jostling special interests are the few voices who point out that if we refuse to be divided from what truly unites us as a people, we cannot be defeated on the large issues of principle, faith, the constitutional republic and the rule of law. More importantly, woe and ridicule will be heaped upon anyone who points out that like the blustering Wizard of Oz, the federal tax and regulation machine is not as omniscient, omnipotent or fearsome as they would have us believe. Like the Wizard, they fan the scary flames higher and shout, "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"

For the truth is, they are frightened that we will find out how pitifully few they are compared to the mass of the citizenry they seek to frighten into compliance with their tax collections, property seizures and bureaucratic, unconstitutional power-shifting. I strongly recommend everyone see the new animated movie "A Bug's Life". Simple truths may often be found sheltering beneath unlikely overhangs, there protected from the pelting storm of lies that soak us everyday. "A Bug's Life", a childrens' movie of all things, is just such a place.

The plot revolves around an ant hill on an unnamed island, where the ants placate predatory grasshoppers by offering them each year one-half of the food they gather (sounds a lot like the IRS, right?). Driven to desperation by the insatiable tax demands of the large, fearsome grasshoppers, one enterprising ant goes abroad seeking bug mercenaries who will return with him and defend the anthill when the grasshoppers return. (If this sounds a lot like an animated "Magnificent Seven", you're right.) The grasshoppers (who roar about like some biker gang or perhaps the ATF in black helicopters, take your pick) are, at one point in the movie, lounging around in a "bug cantina" down in Mexico, living off the bounty of the land. The harvest seeds they eat are dispensed one at a time from an upturned bar bottle. Two grasshoppers suggest to their leader, a menacing fellow named "Hopper" (whose voice characterization by Kevin Spacey is suitably evil personified), that they should forget about the poor ants on the island. Here, they say, we can live off the fat of the land, why worry about some upstart ants? Hopper turns on them instantly. "Would you like a seed?" he quietly asks one. "Sure," answers the skeptical grasshopper thug. "Would you like one?" Hopper asks the other. "Yeah," says he. Hopper manipulates the spigot on the bar bottle twice, and distributes the seeds to them.

"So, you want to know why we have to go back to the island, do you?" Hopper asks menacingly as the thugs munch on their seeds. "I'll show you why!" he shouts, removing the cap from the bottle entirely with one quick blow. The seeds, no longer restrained by the cap, respond to gravity and rush out all at once, inundating the two grasshoppers and crushing them. Hopper turns to his remaining fellow grasshoppers and shrieks, "That's why!" I'm paraphrasing from memory here, for I've only seen the movie once. But Hopper then explains, "Don't you remember the upstart ant on that island? They outnumber us a hundred to one. How long do you think we'll last if they ever figure that out?"

"If the ants are not frightened of us," Hopper tells them, "our game is finished. We're finished."

Of course it comes as no surprise that in the end the ants figure that out. Would that liberty-loving Americans were as smart as animated ants. Courage to stand against tyranny, fortunately, is not only found on videotape. Courage flowers from the heart, from the twin roots of deeply-held principle and faith in God. There are American heroes living today who have not yet performed the deeds of principled courage that future history books will record. They have not yet had to stand in the gap, to plug it with their own fragile bodies and lives against the evil that portends. Not yet have they been required to pledge "their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor." Yet they will have to. I believe with all my heart the lesson that history teaches: That each and every generation of Americans is given, along with the liberty and opportunity that is their heritage, the duty to defend America against the tyrannies of their day. Our father's fathers fought this same fight. Our mother's mother's mothers fought it as well. From the Revolution through the world wars, from the Cold War through to the Gulf, they fought to secure their liberty in conflicts great and small, within and without.

They stood faithful to the oath that our Founders gave us: To bear true faith and allegiance--not to a man; not to the land; not to a political party, but to an idea. The idea is liberty, as codified in the Constitution of the United States. We swear, as did they, an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. And throughout the years they paid in blood and treasure the terrible price of that oath. That was their day. This is ours. The clouds we can see on the horizon may be a simple rain or a vast hurricane, but there is a storm coming. Make no mistake.

Lincoln said that this nation cannot long exist half slave and half free. I say, if I may humbly paraphrase, that this nation cannot long exist one-third slave, one-third uncommitted, and one-third free. The slavery today is of the mind and soul not the body, but it is slavery without a doubt that the Clintons and their toadies are pushing.

It is slavery to worship our nominally-elected representatives as our rulers instead of requiring their trustworthiness as our servants. It is slavery of the mind and soul that demands that God-given rights that our Forefathers secured with their blood and sacrifice be traded for the false security of a nanny-state which will tend to our "legitimate needs" as they are perceived by that government. It is slavery of a more traditional sort that extorts half of our incomes to pay, like slaves of old, for the privilege of serving and supporting our master's regime.

It is slavery to worship humanism as religion and slavery to deny life and liberty to unborn Americans. As people of faith in God, whatever our denomination, we are in bondage to a plantation system that steals our money; seizes our property; denies our ancient liberties; denies even our very history, supplanting it with sanitized and politicized "correctness"; denies our children a real public education; denies them even the mention of God in school; denies, in fact, the very existence of God.

So finally we are faced with, we must return to, the moral component of the question: "What good can a handgun do against an army?" The answer is "Nothing," or "Everything." The outcome depends upon the mind and heart and soul of the man or woman who holds it. One may also ask, "What good can a sling in the hands of a boy do against a marauding giant?" If your cause is just and righteous much can be done, but only if you are willing to risk the consequences of failure and to bear the burdens of eternal vigilance.

A new friend of mine gave me a plaque the other day. Upon it is written these words by Winston Churchill, a man who knew much about fighting tyranny: "Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." The Spartans at Thermopylae knew this. The fighting Jews of Masada knew this, when every man, woman and child died rather than submit to Roman tyranny. The Texans who died at the Alamo knew this. The frozen patriots of Valley Forge knew this. The "expendable men" of Bataan and Corregidor knew this. If there is one lesson of Hitlerism and the Holocaust, it is that free men, if they wish to remain free, must resist would-be tyrants at the first opportunity and at every opportunity. Remember that whether they the come as conquerors or elected officials, the men who secretly wish to be your murderers must first convince you that you must accept them as your masters. Free men and women must not wait until they are "selected", divided and herded into Warsaw Ghettos, there to finally fight desperately, almost without weapons, and die outnumbered. The tyrant must be met at the door when he appears. At your door, or mine, wherever he shows his bloody appetite. He must be met by the pistol which can defeat an army. He must be met at every door, for in truth we outnumber him and his henchmen. It matters not whether they call themselves Communists or Nazis or something else. It matters not what flag they fly, nor what uniform they wear. It matters not what excuses they give for stealing your liberty, your property or your life. "By their works ye shall know them."

The time is late. Those who once has trouble reading the hour on their watches have no trouble seeing by the glare of the fire at Waco. Few of us realized at the time that the Constitution was burning right along with the Davidians. Now we know better.

We have had the advantage of that horrible illumination for more than five years now--five years in which the rule of law and the battered old parchment of our beloved Constitution have been smashed, shredded and besmirched by the Clintonistas. In this process they have been aided and abetted by the cowardly incompetence of the "opposition" Republican leadership, a fact made crystal clear by the Waco hearings. They have forgotten Daniel Webster's warning: "Miracles do not cluster. Hold on to the Constitution of the United States of America and the Republic for which it stands--what has happened once in six thousand years may never happen again. Hold on to your Constitution, for if the American Constitution shall fail there will be anarchy throughout the world." Yet being able to see what has happened has not helped us reverse, or even slow, the process. The sad fact is that we may have to resign ourselves to the prospect of having to maintain our principles and our liberty in the face of becoming a disenfranchised minority within our own country. The middle third of the populace, it seems, will continue to waffle in favor of the enemies of the Constitution until their comfort level with the economy is endangered. They've got theirs, Jack. The Republicans, who we thought could represent our interests and protect the Constitution and the rule of law, have been demonstrated to be political eunuchs. Alan Keyes was dead right when he characterized the last election as one between "the lawless Democrats and the gutless Republicans." The spectacular political failures of our current leaders are unrivaled in our history unless you recall the unprincipled jockeying for position and tragi-comedy of misunderstanding and miscommunication which lead to our first Civil War.

And make no mistake, it is civil war which may be the most horrible corollary of the Law of Unintended Consequences as it applies to the Clintonistas and their destruction of the rule of law. Because such people have no cause for which they are willing to die (all morality being relativistic to them, and all principles compromisable), they cannot fathom the motives or behavior of people who believe that there are some principles worth fighting and dying for. Out of such failures of understanding come wars. Particularly because although such elitists would not risk their own necks in a fight, they have no compunction about ordering others in their pay to fight for them. It is not the deaths of others, but their own deaths, that they fear. As a Christian, I cannot fear my own death, but rather I am commanded by my God to live in such a way as to make my death a homecoming. That this makes me incomprehensible and threatening to those who wish to be my masters is something I can do little about. I would suggest to them that they not poke their godless, tyrannical noses down my alley. As the coiled rattlesnake flag of the Revolution bluntly stated: "Don't Tread on Me!" Or, as our state motto here in Alabama says: "We Dare Defend Our Rights."

But can a handgun defeat an army? Yes. It remains to be seen whether the struggle of our generation against the tyrants of our day in the first decade of the 21st Century will bring a restoration of liberty and the rule of law or a dark and bloody descent into chaos and slavery. If it is to be the former, I will meet you at the new Yorktown. If it is to be the latter, I will meet you at Masada. But I will not be a slave. And I know that whether we succeed or fail, if we should fall along the way, our graves will one day be visited by other free Americans, thanking us that we did not forget that, with help of Almighty God, in the hands of a free man a handgun CAN defeat a tyrant's army.

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To: metmom

Thanks for the link. The article was excellent. It sounds like it was written about 5 yrs after Waco, wich would put it around 1998.

501 posted on 01/18/2012 6:36:35 AM PST by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Kids often rebel against what people try to shove down their throats. At least the ones who can think for themselves do.

502 posted on 01/21/2012 9:35:08 AM PST by dervish (female candidates: the last frontier)
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To: carolinacrazy
ping for later
503 posted on 01/21/2012 5:54:19 PM PST by teenyelliott (Obama warned if he loses the election it could herald a new, painful era of self-reliance)
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To: driftdiver

Why did you dust off an eight and a half year old article to reply to that was six years stale when I found it? lol I don’t remember typing this.

504 posted on 01/22/2012 5:43:09 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: higgmeister

It was linked off another thread and I didnt realize it was so old. Still seemed pertinent to today.

505 posted on 01/22/2012 6:36:04 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet


506 posted on 01/31/2012 8:19:38 PM PST by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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To: Covenantor
Lies. All Lies. The truth?

Many Frenchmen joined the Resistance in 1945. Fashionably kitted out in berets, leather jackets, and carrying all sorts of weapons, they formed the huge army called

Maquis après la Guerre.

Those police, government, and military officials who cooperated with the Boche did not lose their pension or promotion rights after the war. Many of them, too, became fervent anti-NAZIs as soon as the coast was clear.

BTW, The Resistance movements in France, Italy, Greece, and Yugoslavia were heavily Communist and stopped at nothing to damage their royalist or democratic rivals in the resistance against the NAZIs, including tipping off the NAZIs as to their rivals' whereabouts and plans!

507 posted on 02/01/2012 10:27:31 AM PST by Kenny Bunk ((So, you're telling me Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out this eligibility stuff?))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet


508 posted on 02/06/2012 6:53:35 AM PST by VTenigma
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To: Tucson_AZ

There was a monument to them after the war. They won.This was an isolated pocket of resistance. There were thousands more throughout the country.

509 posted on 02/12/2012 3:15:56 AM PST by Renegade
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To: Chode; All

People need to read Travis McGee’s “Enemies, Foreign & Domestic....W E have all the guns : )

510 posted on 03/07/2012 12:20:16 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
yup... i have TWO signed sets of the Trilogy
511 posted on 03/07/2012 3:06:40 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

Have all, but only EFAD signed, with a short letter. You win : )

512 posted on 03/07/2012 3:12:30 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
i got two sets because i wanted one signed to Chode for my personal library and the other signed to my Christian name as a loaner set...

the second set has been read by six people so far

i as going to get a set for my local library but decided against it as they would either be stolen or damaged as other conservative books have been

513 posted on 03/07/2012 3:35:37 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

” i as going to get a set for my local library but decided against it as they would either be stolen or damaged as other conservative books have been “

Good thinking!

514 posted on 03/07/2012 4:13:58 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: wastedyears

Yes, this has been posted before.

God willing, this will be posted many many many times more, not only through my lifetime, but through the lives of my great-great-great-...-great-grandchildren here in the United States of America and beyond.

515 posted on 03/08/2012 7:10:25 PM PST by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: AFPhys

It won’t matter if nobody is willing to use it.

516 posted on 03/09/2012 4:32:27 AM PST by wastedyears (Signature for sale.)
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To: higgmeister

The last decent, statesman-like politician from Illinois. I got his autograph when I was 12 years old. A great keepsake.

517 posted on 03/18/2012 4:51:41 AM PDT by john drake (Roman military maxim; "oderint dum metuant," i.e., "let them hate, as long as they fear.")
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To: john drake
The last decent, statesman-like politician from Illinois. I got his autograph when I was 12 years old. A great keepsake.

Wow, that is wonderful! A great keepsake to hand down to your progeny!

518 posted on 03/19/2012 12:45:03 AM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The will to use it . . .

519 posted on 03/26/2012 8:24:30 PM PDT by tomkat (FU.baraq !)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet


520 posted on 04/06/2012 10:10:28 AM PDT by MeganC (No way in Hell am I voting for Mitt Romney. Not now, not ever. Deal with it.)
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To: Tucson_AZ

The Wolverines gave their lives but the fact that they are honored with a plaque at Partisan Rock suggests that in the end their cause prevailed.

521 posted on 04/06/2012 8:37:51 PM PDT by Procyon (Decentralize, degovernmentalize, deregulate, demonopolize, decredentialize, disentitle.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I'd like to avoid this situation if possible for obvious reasons.

If it DOES hits the fan, and if we are ready if it does, my pistol is a good tool to get to a rifle, and good for an ambush in plain sight. It's weakness is range and noise compared to a crossbow, bow, or knife.

The most important thing is logistics. Know the land. Know the opposition. Know the support.

522 posted on 04/12/2012 9:22:07 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Time for brokered convention)
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To: Darren McCarty


523 posted on 04/12/2012 9:27:54 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: Teotwawki


524 posted on 04/13/2012 11:35:52 PM PDT by Teotwawki (To Him be the glory throughout all generations.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t think we have much to worry about from the current, existing armed forces when you consider military demographics, especially the make up of the combat units.

525 posted on 04/24/2012 6:21:44 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: Aetius

I left the Army a long time ago, but our units and sections(military intelligence) and the combat arms units that I’ve been to were pretty sparse, other than Asians. OTOH, signal, supply, motorpool, laundry & bath, and clerical were sometimes the other way around.

526 posted on 04/24/2012 6:40:15 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I didn’t serve, but from what I understand the combat units are disproportionately white, especially as compared to the overall population aged 18-35. I would think this group is also largely from non-urban areas.

In other words, I would think most come from a conservative background that respects things like the Second Amendment. So I would just have a hard time seeing the existing military turn on the population in the service of a tyrant.

527 posted on 04/24/2012 6:55:19 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: Aetius

The Green Berets, Rangers, SEALs, Force Recon, Para-rescue, etc. are very, very white, IIRC. Don’t have any idea why.

528 posted on 04/24/2012 7:00:30 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: Billthedrill

Do you know how many LEO and military would side against the government depending on the circumstances? The ones that would wish to turn LEO and/or military against the citizens don’t know the answer to that question either. That alone will give anyone planning such a thing a reason to pause.

The military is not a bunch of programmed robots, they are just like the non-military, for every issue there will be those that agree and those that don’t. Each one of them has a line that they will draw in the sand, that line is different from person to person just as it is for civilians. If our leadership attempts to use the military against citizens some will follow the leadership and do whatever they are asked to do. Some will leave the miltary and fight for the civilians. Some will figure out how to get some of the weapons and other supplies to the civilians as well. No one can possibly know how many will do what unless/until we reach that point. The not knowing how many will do what is a big problem for anyone wanting to use the military against citizens.

529 posted on 04/24/2012 9:03:09 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: MountainDad
In the very early seventies,being an infantryman,training involved riot control.With Woodstock,hippies and all that,it was not uncommon to be trained to hate these anti Americans, and prior to any ]New Studies],there were many soldiers that would not hesitate to open fire on there own countrymen. My take is that after many family members who were killed,will have a very profound impact on the soldiers whose families were decimated from their own fire. It is a very slippery slope.God bless them all!!!!
530 posted on 05/27/2012 1:04:29 PM PDT by xarmydog
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To: rbg81

[...all the rules & squeemishness regarding collateral damage will go out the window.”

You’re damned twilly! Their problem is. any thoughts of squeamishness on our part will have long since evaporated!

I cornered pitbull causes many wounds...

532 posted on 07/03/2012 10:46:27 PM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Rules for Liberals and Libertines:

Defeat your enemies while they are young.

- Do in the public schools.
- Begin with a "Head Start" program.
- Teachers are your propagandizers.

Neutralize the parent/caretakers.

- Do that with healthcare.
- Make it expensive.
- Make it pay well, medics are your helpers.

Control colleges and military

- Fill them with religious gays and atheists
- Supply contraceptives free.
- Train them to kill without conscience.

Top off the old guys.

- Take away their guns.
.(They're not afraid of dying.)
- It's too late for them to change.

533 posted on 07/04/2012 3:11:11 AM PDT by imardmd1 (A prayer.."Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow." Ps. 109:9)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ancient BUMP

534 posted on 07/22/2012 11:44:56 PM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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Dusty bump

535 posted on 07/26/2012 5:13:27 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: DMZFrank

maximum effective range was only about 25 feet (less than 8 m). At longer range, the bullet would begin to tumble. ............................. We need to drop something similar to these in Iran. Forget the fp-45, its cheaper to send High Point pistols with a greater clip capacity than these pocket derringer type. The cost of producing FP-45s has gone up, the replicas are expensive as hell. Heck I’m sure the freedom loving Iranians would take even a Jiminez, Raven or Jennings and be grateful to have it.

536 posted on 08/08/2012 5:22:52 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft ( WHO WE ELECT AS PRESIDENT IS NOT AS IMPORTANT AS WHO THEY APPOINT.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“The Left has controlled the schools (at all levels) since at least the 1960’s. Almost everyone that goes into the military comes out of the public school system. I graduated high school in 1978, so I wasn’t nearly as indoctrinated as the kids today, although I saw signs of it in the 70’s, with the “stop pollution” and “save the whales” jazz.”

I graduated in 1973, enlisted the same year. Retired in 1997, after 24 years on active duty in the USAF. At the end, I was (among other things)teaching “Law of Armed Combat” (LOAC) or what they used to call the Laws of War. We did a fair amount of time on the duty to disobey unlawful orders.

I'm still in touch with people on active duty, as my particular ward is the one for Tinker AFB, and I'm not seeing any evidence that the current force is all that sissified. Not just USAF, either, as we've got Navy folks here, too. Got a couple of cousins still in the Army, as well. Not hearing anything from them that would make me doubt them, either.

That said, I expect that you will find, in any military anywhere, folks who will go along with unlawful orders. I'd expect that to be much less than half, but possibly as many as a third, but that is just my opinion, and you know that they say about opinions...

Old Student
WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)

537 posted on 08/19/2012 1:59:20 PM PDT by Old Student (Do NOT make me get out the torches and pitchforks...)
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To: Old Student

538 posted on 09/03/2012 2:55:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: All; stephenjohnbanker; Chode; Renegade

For self-defense: .22 beats .45

539 posted on 09/04/2012 12:25:32 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
valid points all...
540 posted on 09/04/2012 5:01:35 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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541 posted on 10/06/2012 8:21:47 PM PDT by southland (" Newt / West 2012 will pull through!")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Remember the all green ‘ecology’ flag in the late ‘60’s and the rainbow stickers in the early ‘70’s. Those were precursors to ‘Agenda 21’ and LGBT..

542 posted on 10/08/2012 5:06:52 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

That’s probably what that new underground structure is at the White House. A place for 0bama to hide when the military comes for him. Or a place to go when Romney is declared the winner. We will LITERALLY have a shadow gov’t underneath the White House. LOL

543 posted on 10/08/2012 5:12:33 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I was sure this had been posted before, but couldn’t find it. Seems to have been written during the Clinton administration. It needs to be re-read form time-to-time.
1 posted on Monday, August 10, 2009 6:48:31 PM by 2ndDivisionVet


544 posted on 10/21/2012 9:57:35 AM PDT by litehaus (A memory tooooo long)
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To: chris37
My gun puts me in charge of my fate.

Or the fate of a country.

There's a uniform that's hanging
In what's known as Father's room
A uniform so simple in it's style
It has no braid of gold or silk
no hat with feathered plumes
Yet Mother has preserved it all the while
One day she made me try it on
a wish of mine for years
"In memory of your father, Sean" she said.
And when I put the Sam Browne on
she was smiling with the tears
As she placed the broad black brimmer on my head.

It's just a broad black brimmer
With its ribbons frayed and torn
By the careless whisk of many a mountain breeze
An old trench coat that's battle stained and worn
And breeches almost threadbare at the knees
A Sam Browne belt, with a buckle big and strong
A holster that's been empty many a day... but not for long!
And when men claim Ireland's freedom
The one they'll choose to lead 'em
Will wear the broad black brimmer of the IRA

It was the uniform been worn by my father years ago
When he reached me mother's homestead on the run
It was the uniform me father wore
in that little church below
When oul' Father Mac he blessed the pair as one
And after Truce and Treaty and the parting of the ways
He wore it when he marched out with the rest
And when they bore his body down the rugged heather braes
They placed the broad black brimmer on his breast

545 posted on 10/21/2012 4:27:07 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Revival 2012!

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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That is wonderful!!!

BOOKMARKED both here and in my flimsey memory!!!

547 posted on 11/03/2012 5:19:46 PM PDT by SierraWasp ("The New Normal," is FAR from any normality!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; dixiechick2000; AuntB; Grampa Dave; tubebender

Far more “priceless” than my MasterCard!!!

548 posted on 11/03/2012 5:24:19 PM PDT by SierraWasp ("The New Normal," is FAR from any normality!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

If we could get this out to every Tea Party member, veteran, fiscal and social conservative the problems we have might solve themselves.

549 posted on 11/11/2012 1:55:36 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Covenantor


550 posted on 12/08/2012 12:43:35 PM PST by Track9 (The MSM needs a laugh track)
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