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What Good Can a Handgun Do Against an Army.....?
End The War on Freedom ^ | June 18, 2003 | Bill St. Clair

Posted on 08/10/2009 3:48:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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101 posted on 08/13/2009 7:30:56 AM PDT by restornu (Raw Global News you decide http://www.globalpost.com/)
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To: Maelstorm
I think you're wrong.....soldiers are govt employees....employees that enjoy superior benefits and pay, compared to similar civilian jobs (a fact) with a nice early pension waiting for them....

they will follow orders.....

as in Russia or any dictatorship......when you have the job, the money, the prestige.....you stick with the dictator.....

102 posted on 08/13/2009 10:01:46 PM PDT by cherry
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To: cherry
"I think you're wrong.....soldiers are govt employees....employees that enjoy superior benefits and pay, compared to similar civilian jobs (a fact) with a nice early pension waiting for them....

they will follow orders.....

as in Russia or any dictatorship......when you have the job, the money, the prestige.....you stick with the dictator....."

Hate to ask this, but have you ever spent any time in uniform? I made $397/month (gross pay) when I went active duty (1978) and I daresay I could've made a lot more in the private sector or civil service. Yes, medical & dental were free, but at 18 years old, what need do you have for much of that? Free room and board, of course, but you wouldn't have liked to live like I did, especially in Korea (picture Gomer Pyle's barracks, but not that nice), and the food was maybe a step or two above a low grade community college or prison cafeteria, with a few exceptions. Oh, and there's that little detail of getting killed at work, that most people (except police and fire fighters) don't have to worry much about. Believe me, they earn EVERY PENNY of that "superior benefits and pay" that you referenced. As to whether the will blindly follow orders to shoot their fellow citizens? Sure, some might, but they risk being shot by their fellow soldiers, as well as the civilians. I would guesstimate that 10-20% will do whatever they're told and another 10% can be brow-beaten into it, but that leaves the vast majority in defiance of orders: What then?

103 posted on 08/13/2009 10:21:09 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (If we're an Empire, why are Cuba, Iraq, Philippines, Japan & Germany independent?)
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To: Maelstorm

Of course I can’t speak for everyone, but our CBITS training on such PC things as “DoD Policy on Homosexuals in the Military” is met with, ahem, a bit of humor.

Also, for others concerned with where the military stands, we know our oath, we won’t go against it. I’ve said it many times here, others have too but we swear in our oath of service;

“....that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.”

We don’t swear allegiance to a party or person. We understand our oath. We know also where it might lead.


104 posted on 08/13/2009 11:19:46 PM PDT by yankeebulldog ("Semper Viper!")
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To: cherry

I’m not so certain. The military is far more conservative than the general population. The military worldwide has shown a willingness to depose out of control leaders. I think if the rubber hit the road that we could certainly trust the majority of our military to side with the people. It does trouble me when I see national guard members being sent in to disarm otherwise law abiding citizens such as after Katrina. I am still an optimist where the military is concerned. There are bad eggs in every basket but I hold our military in high regard.


105 posted on 08/13/2009 11:42:57 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Socialism is the refuge of people who don't respect their fellow citizens enough to ask for help.)
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To: rbg81
I bet if it ever comes to the Army against private (conservative) citizens, all the rules & squeemishness regarding collateral damage will go out the window.

In that scenario I bet the Army turns it's guns on the masters.
106 posted on 08/13/2009 11:56:31 PM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: Maelstorm

BINGO!


107 posted on 08/21/2009 2:10:42 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (If we're an Empire, why are Cuba, Iraq, Philippines, Japan & Germany independent?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Without being flippant about this, the police generally just leave gang areas alone. The fight’s not worth it.


108 posted on 08/21/2009 2:13:32 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“If every Jewish and anti-nazi family in Germany had owned a Mauser rifle and twenty rounds of ammunition AND THE WILL TO USE IT (emphasis supplied, MV), Adolf Hitler would be a little-known footnote to the history of the Weimar Republic.”

Dunno ‘bout that.
There is more to fighting than owning a weapon and ammo. Regular armies regularly defeat MUCH larger groups of irregulars, especially if they're stupid enough to meet them in open battle.
There is a lot to be said for organization and training, not to mention artillery.

109 posted on 08/21/2009 2:19:25 PM PDT by Little Ray (Obama is a kamikaze president aimed at the heart of this Republic.)
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To: RKV
The problem with France and the French, and I speak the language and have been to school there, is that the best of them got killed in WW1, and WW2. The ones that were left to breed included some beautiful women, but the men, well, they’re short on some qualities.

That's the problem with the human species..unlike the animal species who do the opposite....we kill off our best and allow the weak to breed!

110 posted on 08/21/2009 2:34:54 PM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver ("To be born into freedom is an accident; to die in freedom is an obligation..)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In the small mid-western towns the NG would not turn on the people, but more than likely join the resistence. With them comes their weapons.

Two million combat troops against a hundred million armed Americans is no match.


111 posted on 08/25/2009 8:10:07 AM PDT by stockpirate
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To: All

“A people unwilling to use extreme violent force to preserve or obtain their liberty deserves the tyrants that rule them.”


112 posted on 08/25/2009 8:11:12 AM PDT by stockpirate
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Google “shoot twice and go home”.
It’s the reason Switzerland was the only country not invaded in WWII.


113 posted on 08/25/2009 8:14:24 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (flag@whitehouse.gov may bounce messages but copies may be kept. Informants are still solicited.)
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Or for the last 800 years, now that I think of it.


114 posted on 08/25/2009 8:14:52 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (flag@whitehouse.gov may bounce messages but copies may be kept. Informants are still solicited.)
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To: PIF

18,000,000 deer hunters. ‘nuff said.


115 posted on 08/25/2009 8:24:26 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (flag@whitehouse.gov may bounce messages but copies may be kept. Informants are still solicited.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A lot of that has changed, because of the Jessica Lynch thing and from the various “soft skills” jobs seeing more combat in some cases than a lot of line units. Warrior tasks and drills are trained far more intensely than ever before. A lot of Infantry NCOs were farmed out to places like Jackson and Sill in order to train the trainers on Infantry tactics.

I’m not saying the chicks are as good as the line guys, but they’re a LOT more prepared than Lynch and her ilk were.


116 posted on 08/25/2009 8:28:36 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: Terry Mross

In Red Dawn they were fighting a foreign invading army. Some here seem to have little faith in the dedication to and understanding of the Constitution or intelligence of the people in our military.


117 posted on 08/25/2009 8:38:23 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

BTTT


118 posted on 08/25/2009 8:39:56 AM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*CCRKBA)
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To: ctdonath2

vs. one Warthog?


119 posted on 08/25/2009 4:50:44 PM PDT by PIF
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To: PIF
Pilot has to get out at some point.

vs. one deer huntersniper?

120 posted on 08/25/2009 5:40:45 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (flag@whitehouse.gov may bounce messages but copies may be kept. Informants are still solicited.)
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To: ctdonath2

Hummm that work if you know were his landing spot is and it has nice brush cover all around with no guard patrols and no electroinc sensors are guarding the perimeter - and our sniper doesm’t happen to pick the exact spot the Warhog pilot picks to drop unused ordiance like napalm... but then I digress

: )


121 posted on 08/25/2009 5:55:38 PM PDT by PIF
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To: PIF

1000-yard shots aren’t all that hard.


122 posted on 08/25/2009 7:25:59 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (flag@whitehouse.gov may bounce messages but copies may be kept. Informants are still solicited.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Armies beat armies, insurgents beat politicians.

The anoswer is yes.


123 posted on 08/27/2009 7:22:32 AM PDT by texmexis best (uencynd no)
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To: PIF
vs. one Warthog?

I wonder if Dick Morris could calculate and incumbent's chances of re-election
after wiping out a suburban neighborhood to get one house with resistor in it?

He's good but not that good.

125 posted on 08/29/2009 6:42:35 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Jeff Head; Liz
"Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."

The Spartans at Thermopylae knew this. The fighting Jews of Masada knew this, when every man, woman and child died rather than submit to Roman tyranny. The Texans who died at the Alamo knew this. The frozen patriots of Valley Forge knew this. The "expendable men" of Bataan and Corregidor knew this. If there is one lesson of Hitlerism and the Holocaust, it is that free men, if they wish to remain free, must resist would-be tyrants at the first opportunity and at every opportunity. Remember that whether they the come as conquerors or elected officials, the men who secretly wish to be your murderers must first convince you that you must accept them as your masters. Free men and women must not wait until they are "selected", divided and herded into Warsaw Ghettos, there to finally fight desperately, almost without weapons, and die outnumbered. The tyrant must be met at the door when he appears. At your door, or mine, wherever he shows his bloody appetite. He must be met by the pistol which can defeat an army. He must be met at every door, for in truth we outnumber him and his henchmen.

May it never come to this in our country ---

126 posted on 08/29/2009 6:58:20 PM PDT by GOPJ (CT Scan in Canada? Vet clinics can get a dog in next day. People? Waitinglist is a month.STOSSEL)
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To: Prole
I really don't think the US government agents are going door to door taking our firearms away from us.

Who was it that carried out the post-Katrina gun confiscations in NO? (Sorry, I don't recall exactly which agencies were involved.) While they may not have been done by federal agents, gun confiscations did happen.

127 posted on 08/29/2009 7:06:11 PM PDT by Bob
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To: GOPJ; Noumenon; Lurker; Travis McGee; Eaker; Squantos
Here's two other similar articles I have always liked:

FREEDOM'S LAST STAND - ARE YOU WILLING TO FIGHT FOR YOUR GUNS

LET NO QUARTER BE GIVEN

128 posted on 08/29/2009 8:09:16 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

“We mock honor, and are shocked to find traitors in our midst.” C.S. Elliot


129 posted on 08/29/2009 8:47:45 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Squantos

Everything is a weapon.

The fight’s not over.

Two simple rules...


130 posted on 08/29/2009 9:10:05 PM PDT by Noumenon (Work that AQT - turn ammunition into skill. No tyrant can maintain a 300 yard perimeter forever.)
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To: Jeff Head

Jeff, you should republish your “The Use of Force in Defense of Liberty” - a well-reasoned and superb piece of work.


131 posted on 08/29/2009 9:11:18 PM PDT by Noumenon (Work that AQT - turn ammunition into skill. No tyrant can maintain a 300 yard perimeter forever.)
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To: Noumenon; Lurker

THE USE OF FORCE IN DEFENSE OF LIBERTY

132 posted on 08/29/2009 10:26:19 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: TigersEye

Poor ol’ Dick - he’d be busy trying to calculate something which would never happen - once such stuff begins, there are no elections for anything nationally - the presumed incumbent, Husssein, would have assumed the role of tryant - a position for which there is no electoral process.

One resistor means nothing - it’s the hundreds of thousands which would constitute any meaningful resistance. The local police would take care of the one here and the one there. Who takes care of the masses of resistors? Mr. Warthog...


133 posted on 08/30/2009 5:06:09 AM PDT by PIF
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To: PIF
Who takes care of the masses of resistors? Mr. Warthog...

...don't forget the B-52s carpet bombing towns and cities across the land.

134 posted on 08/30/2009 9:18:13 AM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: TigersEye
O Right! With napalm no less! I was just going for a minimalist scenario...
135 posted on 08/30/2009 10:35:07 AM PDT by PIF
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

but... but.... the whales.


136 posted on 08/31/2009 11:00:01 PM PDT by PureSolace (Trust in God)
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To: sauropod

home


137 posted on 09/01/2009 7:59:27 AM PDT by sauropod (People who do things are people that get things done.)
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To: Lurker
C.S. Elliot

I believe that was C.S. Lewis, not T.S. Elliot (or the guy you mentioned either!)

138 posted on 09/01/2009 8:01:33 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: jwalsh07

“With a handgun against an Army you can die like a man, with a vigorous second amendment and a citizenry armed as the founders intended you can live like a man.”

I was just preparing to say... What handgun..

Hell I am better armed then most ground pounders. Don’t have a select fire weapon but I have a couple of shotguns, an Rock River AR15, an SKS M59, and a Winchester Model 70 30-06. That’s before we even get to the handguns.

I really don’t think we have much to fear from the Army beung turned on us but I stand prepared.


139 posted on 09/01/2009 8:41:11 AM PDT by Syntyr (If its too loud your too old...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Oh, and there's that little detail of getting killed at work, that most people (except police and fire fighters) don't have to worry much about.

Thank you for your service.
140 posted on 09/01/2009 9:31:39 AM PDT by Canedawg (FUBO)
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To: RVN Airplane Driver

“we kill off our best and allow the weak to breed”

Used to be the winners got the women.


141 posted on 09/01/2009 5:23:49 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: waiyu

ping for later


142 posted on 09/03/2009 2:57:20 AM PDT by waiyu (Republicans: We're like Democrats, just spelled different.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

ping.


143 posted on 09/03/2009 3:04:59 AM PDT by BigCinBigD ('Evil white devil since 1960')
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To: Noumenon

Everything is a weapon..............................

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Most buildings in the US can be reduced to rubble with nothing more than a screwdriver and an Alabama speed-wrench.


144 posted on 09/03/2009 5:27:24 AM PDT by wrench
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To: wrench

All right - I give up. What’s an Alabama speed-wrench?


145 posted on 09/03/2009 6:13:38 AM PDT by Noumenon (Work that AQT - turn ammunition into skill. No tyrant can maintain a 300 yard perimeter forever.)
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To: Syntyr
I was just preparing to say... What handgun.

I'm with you. The handgun is for use only if the rifle ammo is depleted, or CQB is in order. It is amazing the firepower in the hands of the American citizenry, as in former military and military-type rifles. Between M1 Garands, M1As (civilian M14s), 30 carbines, and AR-15s, just to name a few, us "deerhunters" would pose a formidable threat to any invasion (foreign or domestic). I knew someone who had a Remington 7400 semi-auto "deer rifle" in 30-06, and with 30 round mags available, it made the M1 Garand look like a piker.

146 posted on 09/03/2009 6:33:54 AM PDT by SpeedRacer (Where's your records, B-HO? What are you hiding?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

bttt, AWESOME!


147 posted on 09/03/2009 6:34:14 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: dsc
Winners are not interested in the willing female breeders.
148 posted on 09/03/2009 6:37:14 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit The law will be followed, dammit!)
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To: TigersEye
The May 1997 Report of the Quadrennial Defense Review (QDR), prescribed a total fleet of 187 bombers (95 B-1, 21 B-2, and 71 B-52). Since the QDR, two B-1s had been lost in peacetime accidents. However, the Report of the Panel to Review Long-Range Air Power (LRAP) concluded the existing bomber fleet cannot be sustained through the expected life of the air frames and that additional aircraft will eventually be required. To address this issue, the Air Force will add five additional B-52 attrition reserve aircraft, bringing the B-52 total from 71 to 76 for a total bomber force of 190. The B-52 fleet will remain the same with 44 combat-coded aircraft.

Not enough BUFFS left to mount a good run even during VN.

149 posted on 09/03/2009 6:41:31 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit The law will be followed, dammit!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

i recently watche the movie “Defiance” with Daniel Craig about Russian Jews being hunted down and executed by the Germans during WW2.

And it makes me wonder if thats what America will become, families being hunted down for profit. Or targeted for refusals to follow pogroms, lets just theorize a possible scenario that any children missing from school on the 8th is reported to a data base and those families are now being given a red flag of dissension?

There will be the day.....

When The Cattle used the Prod against the Rancher

We America must not be herded as cattle, we must stampede now or we will become next weeks dinner.


150 posted on 09/03/2009 6:53:49 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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