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Posted on 08/10/2009 3:48:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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I’ve found suggestions it’s what’s known to most of us as a “Crescent wrench”.
I kinda think that we Loyal Americans are the can do an go to people.
I live in farm country and I know if there are plenty of people here that are willing to protect the people they love.
We can and will defeat any usurper of our freedoms.
The people I know here don’t own just one rifle or pistol. They own many. As far as ammo is concerned and the mneans to make more. I think around here we are prepared for those contigencies.
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“We remain, as a British officer had reason to complain at the start of our Revolution, “a people numerous and armed.””
Had to LOL at this one. Ouch. Poor chap.
Who is the enemy? Someone who won over 50% of the vote, or the people who voted for him?
He is my ideological enemy, but not my military enemy... yet.
When they disband Congress, cancel elections, declare some0ne “President for Life” you can get back to me and my will to fight.
Right now I fight by raising money, voting, protesting, registration drives, etc.
But as a lifelong country boy and military veteran, tyranny has much to fear from me.
Tyranny isn't here yet.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. —
Ramming an $800 billion dollar unread by congress “stimulus” plan through isn’t tyrrany? Taking over 1/7th of the economy isn’t? Public ownership of GM, Chrysler, AIG, etc. isn’t? A tax for a mythical “climate change” isn’t? Flag@WhiteHouse.gov isn’t fascism? Pay caps and firing GM’s CEO isn’t dictatorship? A “Civilian National Security Force” just as powerful and well-funded as the U.S. military isn’t? Not prosecuting voter intimidation by the Black Panthers isn’t? Communists as advisors to the president isn’t?
But I guess you answered my question.
But your “enemy” is still a majority of Americans.
Do you want to shoot them, or convince them of the error of their ways?
An accounting is coming in 2010, and again in 2012. They will be shown the error of their ways at the ballot box.
As George Clinton said... “You don't need the bullet when you got the ballot.”
We had our bloody revolution, it was a success; now we go about figuring what we want to do with our permanent freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution and granted to us by God. Awhile ago the mood was that we should expand the power of government. Now the pendulum is swinging back the other way.
We win at the ballot box, not the ammunition box.
Re-read what I posted to you from the Declaration. Oh-Zero has been President for, what, ten months now? Patiently suffered a long string of abuses and usurpations with the goal being our reduction to total despotism we have not yet experienced.
Another year and he will be a lame duck, he is getting lamer by the second as the Blue Dogs turn up their noses at the steaming pile of health care “reform” that they know will be their electoral death knell.
Freedom ain't permanent. Never has been, never will be. Anyone who says such a thing is a dangerously deluded fool.
It is their recognition by governments that is temporary and conditional.
No sh**, Sherlock.
Do you think it is government that makes you free? That under one government you would be free but in another you would be enslaved?
Man exists with the PERMANENT natural right to be free, a government that recognizes those rights is just, one that does not is a tyranny.
Freedom is eternal. Governments come and go.
Tell it to yourself.
a government that recognizes those rights is just,
Let me know when you run across one of those will you?
Thanks in advance.
The American government (or some insane pseudo faction of it) would never try to take America by force. They’d have their azzes handed to them in just a few days.
For every armed American, there’s another unarmed one who’s gonna still ask “Hey, what the H you guys doin here”.
The logistics of how do you handle that population are complicated by those other guys out there who happen to be shootin at ya!
Sorry if you take offense that I am an American patriot who believes in and supports and has taken an oath to protect and defend the U.S. Constitution.
I wouldn’t put it past this administration to hire foreign mercinaries to help him round up dissidents. Like maybe African and Muslim mercinaries. It would be easier to keep their dirty deeds quiet that way. And all tax-payer funded, of course. Wouldn’t that just be the ultimate insult to injury.
I just don’t see it happening.
It’s not like you’re talkin a couple guys in camo will be driving around in a beat up Volvo pretending their going to play paint ball somewhere.
We’re talking troop carriers. Lots of them. Maybe more than has been in any single place at one time since WWII.
And what’s Katie Couric gonna say about it at 6PM?
Nothin. Cause it won’t even be on the air anymore. Government would have to, out of total necessity, shut down all major forms of communication. People might notice that. Even those who don’t watch CBS.
And where are all the buses used for transport? You start pickin folks up, and we’re not talking kindergarten buses. We’re talking buses with chains attached to the seats...
Even IF they were smart enough to get all these things planned out, it would take like what, about 15 minutes before anybody with half a brain in this country would realize things were way, way wrong and they were rounding folks up.
Then, it’s party time!
I’ll up the ante with this little discussed history lesson that includes some of our most “honored” leaders on the wrong side.
“WITH THE Great Depression causing mass unemployment and bread lines across the U.S., some 40,000 veterans of the First World War made their way to Washington, D.C., in the summer of 1932 to demand immediate payment of a bonus under a law passed several years earlier.
The law granted compensation of a $1 a day for stateside service and $1.25 a day for overseas service to each veteran, but payment was delayed until 1945leading veterans to derisively refer to the money as the Tombstone Bonus, because you would die before you collected it.
Facing the dire circumstances of the depression, veterans wanted Congresswhich had already paid off debts and bonuses owed to corporations and war profiteersto take care of veterans, too.
As the number of veterans who pledged to camp in the nations capital until they received their bonuses grew, alarm swept through the political establishment.
If the farmers of this nation who are suffering united, as these men have united, and with the same abandon, started a march upon the Capitol, and joined ranks with those of the city whose souls have been seared with misery during the past few years, it would not be difficult for a real revolution to start in this country, wrote Californias Republican Sen. Hiram Johnson in a letter to his son.
On July 28, Gen. Douglas MacArthuraided by then-Majors Dwight Eisenhower and George Pattonled 200 cavalrymen, 400 infantrymen with fixed bayonets, and five tanks against the largest of the protesters encampments near the Anacostia River.
MacArthurs troops drove the veterans out and burned the camp to the ground. By the end of the day, two veterans were dead, and dozens moreas well as many civilian onlookerswere wounded.”
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Interesting reading. Let us not forget that the defenders of the Constitution will be the Counter Insurgency. WE are the government.
No economic activity, no tax revenue. No tax revenue... and the government soon has a problem funding government operations... like the military.
Can’t they just print money?
Yes, they can.
And at some point, the money becomes about as valuable as Zimbabwe’s.
There is more to fighting than owning a weapon and ammo. Regular armies regularly defeat MUCH larger groups of irregulars, especially if they’re stupid enough to meet them in open battle.
I worked with a former marine who said his unit had a 5000+/1 kill ratio in Somalia.
Amazing reading ping, especially the following:
A new friend of mine gave me a plaque the other day. Upon it is written these words by Winston Churchill, a man who knew much about fighting tyranny: “Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”
Amazing quote. Thank you.
Amazing quote. Thank you.
No problem FRiend. Just pulled it from the post for my FRiend’s convenience who I was pinging, but I’m glad it caught your eye also.
How many of the irregulars in Somalia, do you suppose, were veterans of a nation-state’s well-trained armed forces? See the difference? I’m a fat, slow 49 year old, but I haven’t forgotten my intelligence experience/training, map reading, marksmanship and small unit tactics, etc., and many of the “irregulars” will be Iraq, Afghanistan, Desert Storm and other recent veterans. As the article suggests, there are multiple millions of deer hunters in this country, most all of them equipped with military-style clothing, equipment and firearms, and that’s just one category!
This along with the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Can you imagine an America where everyone read these two documents at least once a year for their entire lives?
That implies 3.25 million to control America, if 15% were insurgents.
They won’t come at us that way. They’ll do it like they always have - individually and sideways.
Word would sorta get around kinda quickly.
Don’t think that would get very far in my neighborhood, a nice little enclave with white picket fences and itchy trigger fingers.
The Somalis were veterans of a decades long civil war and armed with automatic rifles and anti-tank weapons. They knew the ground. They also had the advantage of mindset - they didn’t mind killing people and probably didn’t even view our troops as fellow human beings.
They were still slaughtered.
Americans lack automatic fire weapons and heavy weapons like RPGs. We’re also pretty squeamish. Some of that can be made up with equipment available out of, say, Cabelas (quick point sights, and gen 3 night vision goggles), and accuracy, and other from commercially available material, but the US Military, if the government drops the RoEs to a bare minimum (which it would against an internal rebellion) would be an incredibly destructive engine.
Thanks for the ping! Fascinating read.
Contemplate moving against an army of 100 million, hidden throught the nation.
Would have worked then but now not so much.
How is it then that some rice-growing villagers (Vietnam), third world peasants (Afghanistan) and Islamic tribalists (Iraq) kept so many leading world powers (France, USA, UK & USSR) so busy for so many years with rudimenatry weapons like flintlocks, the AK-47 and homemade IEDs?
Because the big powers parked their nukes and decided to fight a 21st century war as if it was the 18th. Turn Terhan, Pak, and Afgan, into parking lots... or just take out Mecca during the Haj - no warning - if anyone actually wants to win this religious war.
We were winning in Nam. Only the pc antiwar types broke the will to fight. Even Giap was thankful for the peaceniks - the better red than dead crowd - because he was out of most everything including cannon fodder.
I've said for years now....Teams of trained folks could paralyze cities....airports, capitals, seaports, etc...
Going downtown to ping city.
How many of the irregulars in Somalia, do you suppose, were veterans of a nation-states well-trained armed forces? See the difference? Im a fat, slow 49 year old, but I havent forgotten my intelligence experience/training, map reading, marksmanship and small unit tactics, etc., and many of the irregulars will be Iraq, Afghanistan, Desert Storm and other recent veterans. As the article suggests, there are multiple millions of deer hunters in this country, most all of them equipped with military-style clothing, equipment and firearms, and thats just one category!
I see the distinction you are making. But I’m wondering, if the Somalis didn’t field their best against that 5000/1 crew, why not?
With regard to here, Obamas “Civilian National Security Force” of illegal aliens, and Muslims will have their work cut out for them.
I know some female soldiers who might surprise you.
They are hard working, train on their own, and would fight to the death.
Of course, they’re all from Alabama ;)
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