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What Good Can a Handgun Do Against an Army.....?
End The War on Freedom ^ | June 18, 2003 | Bill St. Clair

Posted on 08/10/2009 3:48:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Worth re-reading!!!


351 posted on 05/16/2010 12:50:46 PM PDT by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Beautiful Read.

I missed it before, and you are right: it needs to be re-read from time to time. Tears in my eyes in places since I know that I, too, will NOT be a slave, even if some of my family and friends will consign themselves to that fate. I will do what I can to protect them - even if I am 98 years old.


352 posted on 05/17/2010 6:15:24 PM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Very interesting. Thanks for giving me the link, Vet.

I hope I would be brave. I have a question. How would a resistence group communicate, form and organize in light of today’s police state spies? Do you know how it worked in France back then?


353 posted on 05/18/2010 10:46:13 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson

CB and Ham radios? We must assume that the Internet and cell phones will be compromised. The French used messengers and some radios as I recall. Maybe encryption within the net.


354 posted on 05/18/2010 11:04:40 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Don't care if he was born in a manger on July 4th! A "Natural Born" citizen requires two US parents!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thanks. Messangers makes sense.


355 posted on 05/19/2010 12:34:40 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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btra


356 posted on 05/19/2010 9:57:28 PM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (We need to limit political office holders to two terms. One in office, and one in prison.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
+ = The destruction of every major army in Europe (and it was only a .380acp!).
357 posted on 05/19/2010 10:06:38 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: Ronaldus Magnus

IIRC, he was wearing an expensive bullet-proof vest.


358 posted on 05/19/2010 10:45:08 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Don't care if he was born in a manger on July 4th! A "Natural Born" citizen requires two US parents!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
How many really think that our military will obey any order to start pouuncing on citizens for owning weapons?

I'm pursuaded that very few of our family members who serve our country in uniform will betray their oaths and will choose to join us or at least stand down and let us go about the business of restoring our usurped government.

I would hope that L.E.O.'s and other government alphabet agencies who are armed will follow suit and stand down as well if the buzzard at the head of our gummint gives the order to collect the guns.

359 posted on 05/21/2010 8:56:20 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Eastbound

Remember: You’re betting your life (and that of your family) on that premise. Can you afford to do that? I agree that many Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines will not fire on their countrymen, but what percentage?


360 posted on 05/21/2010 9:07:46 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Don't care if he was born in a manger on July 4th! A "Natural Born" citizen requires two US parents!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I believe that when it comes right down to decision time, our military will stand with the Citizens. They will have to realize they are in the service to insure that when they come back home they will have a country to come back to. So I think when they reason this through, they will not be deceived and will start working on 'enemies domestic.'

I just can't believe our front line patriots (military) will turn into obammy bots and traitors.

361 posted on 05/21/2010 10:46:47 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: musicman

ping


362 posted on 06/04/2010 1:05:06 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: All

BTTT


363 posted on 06/09/2010 8:57:01 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Don't care if he was born in a manger on July 4th! A "Natural Born" citizen requires two US parents!)
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To: Tublecane
But I don’t think we’d enjoy living in holes as much.

I'd be much happier in a hole in the ground than in a state-owned apartment provided by Comrade Obama.

364 posted on 06/12/2010 9:00:01 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself...)
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To: All

Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death
Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775

No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The questing before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.

Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.

I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the House. Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with those warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne! In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free— if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending—if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained—we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of hosts is all that is left us!

They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable—and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace— but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!


365 posted on 06/12/2010 12:25:24 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Don't care if he was born in a manger on July 4th! A "Natural Born" citizen requires two US parents!)
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To: Canedawg; Senormechanico

No elections? No more observing the authority of the state for me, then. I would think millions of others would feel the same.


366 posted on 06/18/2010 4:16:44 PM PDT by badgerlandjim (Hillary Clinton is to politics as Helen Thomas is to beauty.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Up close and Personal


367 posted on 06/20/2010 3:57:16 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions: $1 Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bookmark.


368 posted on 06/24/2010 4:18:35 PM PDT by Sergio (If a tree fell on a mime in the forest, would he make a sound?)
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To: MsLady

Its articles like this that are causing the price of small arms and ammo to go up. It makes J&G happy, that’s for sure. Get your Draco AK pistol for $349, before it goes up.


369 posted on 06/25/2010 8:24:20 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (THE CANDIDATE THE LEFT SMEARS THE MOST IS THE ONE THEY FEAR THE MOST.)
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To: Riley
I’m not going to hammer the French too hard, they *did* have people who risked- and suffered- much under the German occupation. Of that, there is no doubt in my mind.

The bravest man I know was French Resistance. He was only 16 years old at the time. His family would help smuggle out Brit and American Airmen that were shot down. He lived on the border with Spain and his job was to smuggle them through the Pyrenees Mountains to Spain. If he or any of his family were caught they would have all been tortured for information and then executed.

370 posted on 06/25/2010 10:05:51 AM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist: THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"If every Jewish and anti-nazi family in Germany had owned a Mauser rifle and twenty rounds of ammunition AND THE WILL TO USE IT (emphasis supplied, MV), Adolf Hitler would be a little-known footnote to the history of the Weimar Republic."

If ghetto Jews had guns - they WOULD HAVE USED THEM.

371 posted on 06/25/2010 10:11:52 AM PDT by GOPJ (http://www.portpublishing.com/Computer%20Based/retaildetailgmsea.htm)
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To: MountainDad

RE: “I was on the phone last week with my son and we discussed this very topic. He is active Army, Infantry. 11 Bravo. He said they talked among themselves about this while in Iraq once in awhile. His said NO ONE he talked with, some Officers included, would obey any command to attack or harm U.S. citizens.
I felt better after that phone call.”

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Thanks for posting that — anyone else have any similar anecdotal stories to share that point in the same direction? We need to hear all we can about this..


372 posted on 06/25/2010 11:57:22 AM PDT by CaliforniaCon
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To: Eastbound

RE: “I just can’t believe our front line patriots (military) will turn into obammy bots and traitors.”

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I think it depends upon which military patriots we are talking about. Too many Obammy supporters are currently in the military —


373 posted on 06/25/2010 12:01:15 PM PDT by CaliforniaCon
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To: mylife
Good reminder that you don't need a cartload of sophisticated weapons to win. All you need is a one-shot throwaway that you can trade for the enemy's fine weaponry.

Thanks for posting.

374 posted on 06/25/2010 1:04:55 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s scary to think of a pistol against an incoming A-20 Warthog, yet I remember two box cutters took down the two tallest buildings in New York (with the element of surprise added out of necessity).


375 posted on 06/27/2010 6:16:21 AM PDT by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

376 posted on 06/27/2010 6:25:05 AM PDT by jetson
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To: Covenantor

But the Allies prevailed in the end ... yes a long and awful struggle ... and the French Resistance was only ‘so much help’... But in the end ... we beat the Nazis ... regardless of the individual failures along the way ... D-Day was a mixed bag of success and failure ... the end result was not... This is why WE must not lose site of the individual initiative with one point of resistance - one little hand gun...


377 posted on 06/27/2010 8:15:24 PM PDT by ICCtheWay
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To: mad_as_he$$

“Four “insurgents” with crude weapons could tie up 150 Marines for most of a day....”

only because of the ‘rules of engagement’


378 posted on 06/28/2010 7:07:03 AM PDT by Former MSM Viewer
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To: Former MSM Viewer

True but the ROE’s in this country would be roughly the same for the first phase anyway. BTW I saw the same thing in VN and my uncles tell me a handful of Germans and a few Japanese could stop a company in it’s tracks in WW2.


379 posted on 06/28/2010 7:23:01 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Sometimes you have to go to dark places to get to the light....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

ping


380 posted on 07/09/2010 10:40:16 PM PDT by diamond6 (Pray the Rosary to defeat communism and Obamacare!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Homosexuals have been in every military since we lived in caves. I knew several during my time in the service

That sure is a strange thing to say. No proof of the first statement (only assumptions), and in my 16 years in the Military (Army-combat arms), I never knew one homosexual. Either you are a magnet or there is an interior decorating unit I am not aware of. Very strange.

381 posted on 07/10/2010 12:20:06 AM PDT by 999replies (Thune/Rubio 2012)
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To: 999replies

The Spartan warriors were predominately homosexual, as were those of other Greek city-states, so the cave theory probably isn’t far off.

I was in military intelligence, but I knew several lesbians in military police and two male homosexuals in food service. I didn’t know gay from stray when I went in, but I did have a 128 GT score and the signs are there if you’re paying attention.


382 posted on 07/10/2010 12:35:04 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Don't care if he was born in a manger on July 4th! A "Natural Born" citizen requires two US parents!)
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To: Tucson_AZ

They lost the battle but won the war, at least the war behind the lines.


383 posted on 07/10/2010 8:19:28 AM PDT by valkyry1
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To: valkyry1

BTTT!


384 posted on 07/10/2010 9:00:27 AM PDT by seeker41 (CULPRIT CHINESE COMPANY INFO.)
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To: MountainDad

I feel better after your posting here.


385 posted on 07/30/2010 8:03:10 PM PDT by Skepolitic
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Individual-moral-responsibility-is-my-problem-and-yours ping.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

386 posted on 08/07/2010 11:13:04 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: wastedyears
Advanced Placement American Government, standard level American Government and Advanced Placement Comparative Government and Politics.

Fortuitous that this thread has reappeared almost exactly a year later. Now I'm getting ready to go back into work to start THIS school year next Tuesday and I'm already preparing to print this article to give out for purposes of discussion.

387 posted on 08/12/2010 1:21:01 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Ammo Republic 15

ping


388 posted on 08/16/2010 9:24:32 PM PDT by Ammo Republic 15
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In my opinion, a military which has been degraded to the point of attacking its own citizenry unprovoked has lost its moral standing, and being in such a state, is vulnerable in subtle, indescribable ways to the righteous revolt of its citizens.


389 posted on 08/17/2010 5:35:04 AM PDT by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“14 million—that’s a number greater than the largest five professional armies in the world combined.”

What a nicely timed piece of prose this was tonight! I did my part today bought my first pistol (XDM 40 black with nightsights). Make that 14,000,001.


390 posted on 08/17/2010 8:22:48 PM PDT by pghoilman (Earth First! We'll drill the rest of the galaxy later.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

One question is whether the soldiers will fight Americans if commanded to do so.

Another question is whether the commanders will obey Obama’s orders to turn on American citizens.

Somehow I have my doubts.


391 posted on 08/18/2010 6:12:37 AM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: ctdonath2

Thanks. I followed your suggestion and found this:

“HALBROOK: Shortly before World War I, the German Kaiser was the guest of the Swiss government to observe military maneuvers. The Kaiser asked a Swiss militiaman: “You are 500,000 and you shoot well, but if we attack with 1,000,000 men what will you do?” The soldier replied: “We will shoot twice and go home.”

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/stagnaro5.html


392 posted on 08/18/2010 6:22:58 AM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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393 posted on 08/18/2010 6:44:11 AM PDT by loungitude ( The truth hurts.)
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To: Covenantor

“The whores of Place Pigalle showed more resistance then the average frenchie “

A dear friend of mine was French Reistance. He was 16 years old when he started. He and his family lived in the South of France near the Spanish border. They would help smuggle American and Brit pilots out of France so they could live and fly and fight the NAZIs again. If anyone of them were caught the whole family would have been tortured for information and then executed.

Do not sell the average Frenchman short. Some of their leaders have been craven and corrupt. But what the hell, look at what we have today.


394 posted on 08/21/2010 6:49:27 PM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, Iconoclast: THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR.)
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To: jblann1
: "and the will to use it,,
This story pops up from time to time, always a nice refreshing read. agree 100%
395 posted on 08/21/2010 6:54:11 PM PDT by piroque (God bless Lee and the rest of the True Americans. . ." The Confederates”)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

for later


396 posted on 08/21/2010 7:05:16 PM PDT by piroque (it is better to perish than to live as slaves.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Remember: You’re betting your life (and that of your family) on that premise. Can you afford to do that? I agree that many Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines will not fire on their countrymen, but what percentage?

This is what really worry's me the internal fighting ,,,, war is a bloody business ,,, and the length of time it may go on ,,

397 posted on 08/21/2010 7:26:17 PM PDT by piroque (it is better to perish than to live as slaves.)
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To: All

Be the resistance.


398 posted on 08/28/2010 8:37:52 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is a fantasy. Only a small minority of people actually care about this country, their freedoms, or even their own children. Most people are completely loveless and cowardly. They would sooner work 90+ hours a week and watch their children die of starvation than rise up against the leftist rulers.


399 posted on 08/28/2010 9:13:50 PM PDT by Soothesayer (“None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license...")
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To: imahawk

“We all STILL have too much to lose.When it comes to nothing to lose then its on like donkey kong.Just remember the french resistance and also what the soviets had to contend with.”

That’s your problem. I have nothing to lose. I can die tomorrow before or after breakfast. Just say the word.


400 posted on 08/28/2010 9:17:23 PM PDT by Soothesayer (“None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license...")
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