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What Good Can a Handgun Do Against an Army.....?
End The War on Freedom ^ | June 18, 2003 | Bill St. Clair

Posted on 08/10/2009 3:48:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Liberator The FP-45 Liberator was a pistol manufactured for the United States military during World War II for use by resistance forces in occupied territories. It was designed with the idea of offering an enemy soldier a cigarette, putting a round of .45 ACP twixt his eyes or in the base of his skull, and "liberating" the now deceased soldier's rifle, SMG, grenades, or anything else of military utility. A crude and clumsy weapon, the Liberator was never intended for front line service. It was originally intended as an insurgency weapon to be mass dropped behind enemy lines to resistance fighters in occupied territory. The weapon was valued as much for its psychological warfare effect as its actual field performance. It was believed that if vast quantities of these weapons could be delivered into Axis occupied territory, it would have a devastating effect on the morale of occupying troops. The plan was to drop the weapon in such great quantities that occupying forces could never capture or recover all the weapons. It was hoped that the thought of thousands of these unrecovered weapons potentially in the hands of the citizens of occupied countries would have a deleterious effect on enemy morale. The pistol had its origins in the US Army Joint Psychological Committee and was designed for the United States Army in 1942 by the Inland Guide Lamp Manufacturing Division of the General Motors Corporation in Dayton, Ohio.[1] The army designated the weapon the Flare Projector Caliber .45 hence the designation FP-45. This was done to disguise the fact that a pistol was being mass produced.[2] The original engineering drawings label the barrel as "tube", the trigger as "yoke", the firing pin as "control rod", and the trigger guard as "spanner". The Guide Lamp Division plant in Anderson, Indiana assembled a million[2] of these weapons. The Liberator project took about 6 months from conception to end of production with about 11 weeks of actual manufacturing time, done by 300 workers. The FP-45 was a crude, single-shot pistol designed to be cheaply and quickly mass produced. The ejection system was a wooden rod that was pushed down the barrel from the muzzle end to eject the fired cartridge case. The Liberator had just 23 largely stamped and turned steel parts that were cheap and easy to manufacture. It fired a .45 caliber pistol cartridge from an unrifled barrel. Due to the unrifled barrel, maximum effective range was only about 25 feet (less than 8 m). At longer range, the bullet would begin to tumble.
41 posted on 08/10/2009 4:57:41 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: Terry Mross

It took them generations to lull the sheep into accepting them as rulers instead of elected representatives.

It only took a few generations of “free” government K-12 indoctrination. The very act of stepping their first foot into kindergarten teaches children that it is OK for the government to take from their neighbor to provide something their parents want for them.

42 posted on 08/10/2009 4:59:01 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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43 posted on 08/10/2009 4:59:11 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Put your trust in God; but mind to keep your powder dry. - Oliver Cromwell)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The other angle why the civilian populace in the US would not have to deal with tanks, A-10’s and the like is this:

As every combat vet can attest, war, even “limited” war, makes a mess of things. War doesn’t just kill people, it radically undercuts real estate valuations.... in a hurry.

If the motto of real estate agents is “location, location, location!” then the contra-positive to this is “don’t own any property where some young soldier or Marine lights off a 120mm smooth bore...”

Well, what happens when people do own property in the proximity of the military doing military-like stuff? Economic activity stops. Folks quit shopping, they sure as heck don’t take tourism side-trips to see the Abrams tear up the streets, folks pack up and leave Dodge... etc.

No economic activity, no tax revenue. No tax revenue... and the government soon has a problem funding government operations... like the military.

So the military would likely not be able to use all their big toys. They’d be down to boots in the street, much as the Brits were in North Ireland. And we all know how successful the Brits were at pacifying North Ireland, don’t we?

44 posted on 08/10/2009 5:00:23 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I really don't think the US government agents are going door to door taking our firearms away from us.

But if the fools try something like that, I predict there will be more dead government thugs than civilians.

45 posted on 08/10/2009 5:09:46 PM PDT by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Terry Mross

At the end of “Red Dawn” didn’t the Wolverines lose? I only remember them getting shot by the helicopters.

46 posted on 08/10/2009 5:17:24 PM PDT by Tucson_AZ
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To: dljordan

They simply don’t belong in the military. People who need their personal sexual lifestyle to be gratified publicly regardless of what type of sexual peculiar lifestyle they lead suggests they are unfit. It isn’t about whether they can serve admirably. That wasn’t my point, my point is that gay activism is just a way to mold the military and intimidate and soften it. Gays who keep their private lives private are not as much an issue to me. It is the leftist social activism and the false idea that homosexuality is normal. Very many cases of gay rape occur in the military but go unreported. Just as occurs in the public space.

Open homosexuality should not be endorsed or accepted in the military one because it is a behavior that is even more disease ridden than typical promiscuous behavior. Also members of the same sex living in close quarters should not be threatened with same sex attentions is what open homosexuality means in the military. A friend of mine related a story where he came upon an officer raping a subordinate male. Gay males are sexually aggressive and allowing them to openly serve will only increase this and increase the exposure to health risks associated with such populations.

They have a great tendency to take advantage of their positions to abuse others. This is far greater than the norm. We’ve seen this in the priesthood, we’ve seen this in teachers, we’ve seen this in police officers, and foster parents. Certainly heterosexuals do molest but homosexuals make heterosexuals look like pikers. Part of this is because so many of them have been molested themselves. Even Rock Hudson was abused when he was 9 and if you don’t find this you will find far too often that a older male has groomed an underling. This is not something we need in the military. They have enough crap and clap already.

47 posted on 08/10/2009 5:22:18 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Why are those who claim to have open minds so afraid of open debate?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I would expect the Military to turn on Obama if he ever suggested firing on our own people. The Military is keenly aware of their Oath to the Constitution.
48 posted on 08/10/2009 5:24:27 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If the us gov’t, military or law enforcement turn against the people the most effective weapons would be explosives, not firearms.

The ragheads in Iraq know this and are using them to great success.

49 posted on 08/10/2009 5:28:37 PM PDT by Dayman (My 1919a4 is named Charlotte. When I light her up she has the voice of an angel.)
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To: imahawk

If it gets to the point we have nothing to lose, it could very well be too late. Churchill has a quote regarding such a circumstance.

50 posted on 08/10/2009 5:40:11 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy
The military should be polled on that.

I'm sure your right but imagine the outrage at such a poll by the left!

51 posted on 08/10/2009 5:40:39 PM PDT by right way right (Do not mistake Religion for God.)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

Most of US military + armed citizens VS ACORN + Americorps

52 posted on 08/10/2009 5:41:43 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I hope and pray it never comes to pass. Suffice it to say that anyone of you who firmly believes that no military unit would fire on American civilians, I can dispel that belief with one place name: Kent State. Regardless of your political leanings at the time, regardless of the "why" of it, the basic fact remains that a commanding officer gave the order to "fire!" and his National Guardsmen followed that order. Who was right and who was wrong remains irrelevant. It happened, and given the right circumstances it will happen again.
53 posted on 08/10/2009 5:44:24 PM PDT by PowderMonkey (Will work for ammo. Proud member of the well dressed mob.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

The Churchill quote was along the lines of if we don’t take care of something while we can while it’s still small, we may have to fight in vain and die against something we don’t have a chance of winning against. WHich scenario is the better one?

54 posted on 08/10/2009 5:47:21 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Maelstorm
"the soldiers will stand with the citizen."

That may be true for some but not for all there is plenty of mind control and indoctrination that goes on in the military that is rarely spoken of out side of the military.

55 posted on 08/10/2009 5:50:23 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Warning: Some words may be misspelled/ You will get over it / Klingon is my 1st language)
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To: guitarplayer1953
There is plenty of mind control and indoctrination that goes on in the military that is rarely spoken of out side of the military.

Maybe but all of mind says the Constitution must be protected from all enemies foreign and domestic and right now domestic smells a lot like Soros and his gangs of thieves.

56 posted on 08/10/2009 5:59:35 PM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: Riley

Use the internet and sw radio to keep current. It’s easy and doesn’t take much time - try No Pasaran and Dissident Frogman. Of course, you have to occasionally read Le Monde and all that crap too.

57 posted on 08/10/2009 6:00:10 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bump for retention.

and... I still remember, and take my Oath very seriously.

58 posted on 08/10/2009 6:11:29 PM PDT by pop-aye (For every journey, The Way, is the HigherPath)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Back in January I wrote that I expected the Baraqqis to do a Branch Davidian or Elian Gonzalez early in their term. Especially with Holder being a protege of Janet Reno.

Something to show massive federal police power vs citizens.

So far it hasn’t happened.
I’m surprised......but it’s still early.

59 posted on 08/10/2009 6:12:19 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s been posted many times.

60 posted on 08/10/2009 6:15:28 PM PDT by wastedyears (The Tree is thirsty and the hogs are hungry.)
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