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Starving for a ZOT
Click here for a tour of Lebanese architecture ^ | miapelked

Posted on 08/29/2009 7:31:05 AM PDT by miapelked

For too long conservatives (those who respect religion, patriotism, and freedom) have had to satisfy themselves with meager success. Conservatives may win an election or pass a bill, but we are starving for real victory.

To win real victory we must colonize the left. We must create a conservative socialist party. The only selling point for the left is socialism, so we must detach socialism from the main body of leftist dogma. When a conservative right battles a conservative left we can achieve real, lasting victory. Both sides would espouse our core principles.

I support a conservative socialist or populist party that would:

1) Help out working people.

2) Respect the values of working people (religious values, family values). The party would oppose homosexual marriage and abortion.

3) Protect human rights.

4) Support democracy.

Fortunately, the world is moving toward this new system. The old cold war dichotomy is fading away. With the Soviets gone, why would anyone submit to Communism? Does anyone think the less-well-off have any real affection for Marx or atheism?

I envision conservative capitalists (prevalent in North America, Europe, and Japan) contending with conservative socialists (prevalent in the tropics). The two sides would move up and down, but conservatism would win either way.


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1 posted on 08/29/2009 7:31:05 AM PDT by miapelked
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Curious, Just how much have you had to drink today?

Don't drink and freep.

2 posted on 08/29/2009 7:36:57 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (To all the senior citizens that voted for Hope and Change - heres yours-mom4melody)
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To: miapelked

I noticed you signed up two days ago. Maybe you should read a little about “conservatism” and “socialism” before posting such a ridiculous post.


3 posted on 08/29/2009 7:38:53 AM PDT by teg_76
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To: miapelked

yeah, let’s forget what made us great as a country and a people and conform to some european socialist nonsense. yeah, we’ll get right on that.


4 posted on 08/29/2009 7:39:15 AM PDT by lonster
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To: miapelked

Joined FR a few days ago. Sounds so blatantly leftist that I suspect this clown is a lurker from DU.

Out with you!


5 posted on 08/29/2009 7:41:20 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: miapelked

The first thing you should do is look up the definition of “Socialism”. You seem to think it means “helping people”.


6 posted on 08/29/2009 7:41:57 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Question O-thority!)
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To: miapelked

IB4TZ


7 posted on 08/29/2009 7:41:59 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (One man, alone! Betrayed by the country he loves, now its last hope in their final hour of need!)
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To: miapelked

What would be the motivation for those starting such a party? Conservative values are opposed to the very core of socialism. Populists tend to be somewhat independent by nature and somewhat charismatic enough to pull off a third party will do their own thing based on some particular issues.


8 posted on 08/29/2009 7:42:24 AM PDT by dog breath
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To: miapelked
sort of like Tory authoritarianism (British model)
or Iranian - present state

Conservative Statism = Authoritarianism
Antithesis of Libertarian model
Hence, Liberty DIES

No thanks

9 posted on 08/29/2009 7:42:43 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: miapelked

Dude, you’re gonna give stumble down drunks a bad name.


10 posted on 08/29/2009 7:43:52 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Alex Murphy

IB4TZ, too!


11 posted on 08/29/2009 7:44:01 AM PDT by piytar (Being asked to report your neighbors to flag@whitehouse.gov is REAL FASCISM! NRA Lifetime Member)
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To: miapelked
1) Help out working people.
You support the right of the government to use force to extract money from the pockets of productive people and distribute that money to those struggling working people from whom the politicians are trying to buy votes?

2) Respect the values of working people (religious values, family values). The party would oppose homosexual marriage and abortion.
Hey! You got one right!

3) Protect human rights.
Don't know what this means. We have the Bill of Rights and that ought to be sufficient. In my experience, "human rights" tends toward the right to food, the right to a house, the right to a job, the right to a living wage, the right to HDTV, the right to a cell phone ...

4) Support democracy.
Worst system of government. Ever. Mob rule. It's not what America is about.

12 posted on 08/29/2009 7:45:26 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: miapelked

You should probably bing for a clue before posting on FreeRepoublic.


13 posted on 08/29/2009 7:47:05 AM PDT by FourPeas (Why does Professor Presbury's wolfhound, Roy, endeavour to bite him?)
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To: miapelked

THis is a resentment post.. probably from being banned from HUFFnPUFF post.

ZOT, Anyone??


14 posted on 08/29/2009 7:48:45 AM PDT by gwilhelm56 (Orwell's 1984 - To Conservatives, a WARNING - to Liberals, a TEXTBOOK!)
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15 posted on 08/29/2009 7:53:08 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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This premis does not make any sense. Conservative socialism? Private property, limited government, and individual liberty are core principles of conservatism. All of these are incompatable with socialism. Utilizing the power of the state to enforce your religous principles is tempting to many on the right and left but our founders knew where this inevitably leads — to the corruption of both Church and State. Remember, any government powerful enough to give you everything you want is powerful enough to take away everything you have.


16 posted on 08/29/2009 7:53:12 AM PDT by FBRhawk (Pray with faith, act with courage, never surrender!)
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To: Religion Moderator

17 posted on 08/29/2009 7:54:33 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: miapelked

> contending with conservative socialists (prevalent in the tropics).

You mean like DownUnder in Australia and New Zealand? Yer confused: hereabouts we’re either “Conservative” or “Socialist” but never both.

IBTZ!


18 posted on 08/29/2009 7:55:07 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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19 posted on 08/29/2009 7:55:49 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” -George Orwell)
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To: miapelked

Actually, all, this may not be zot worthy, just somewhat inaptly stated.

To miapelked, are you talking about packaging?

Think about it freepers. The left packages their statists as libs and conservatives. Why can’t we do the same thing? In fact, we almost have to do the same thing to compete...


20 posted on 08/29/2009 7:57:11 AM PDT by piytar (Being asked to report your neighbors to flag@whitehouse.gov is REAL FASCISM! NRA Lifetime Member)
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Mr. miapelked, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


21 posted on 08/29/2009 7:58:19 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: miapelked
Incoherency is the hallmark of an undisciplined mind.

5.56mm

22 posted on 08/29/2009 7:58:59 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: miapelked

Truth is never advanced by accepting error.


23 posted on 08/29/2009 7:59:46 AM PDT by JPG
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24 posted on 08/29/2009 8:01:46 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: HangnJudge

LOL! Poooooor kitteh.


25 posted on 08/29/2009 8:02:38 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” -George Orwell)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
Message to the poster...


26 posted on 08/29/2009 8:04:56 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: MNJohnnie

Conservatism is about minimal government and maximum personal freedom. Government should be local, then state to handle regional differences, and federal to deal with international considerations and provide for the defense (and offense if necessary) for the country as a whole.

Socialism is about centralized governmental control in which all aspects come from the top down and drowns personal freedom in its ever growing control by a few elite families that fashion themselves as the intelligentsia and kings and queens. Socialism could almost be called a monarchy of the elite.

Conservative socialism...you are a moron.


27 posted on 08/29/2009 8:04:57 AM PDT by montomike (Politics should be about service and not a lucrative, money-making opportunity!)
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To: miapelked
Mike Huckabee has advocated what you're suggesting here (Big government social-welfare statism coupled with social conservatism) - at least he has in the past.

Perhaps you should consider signing on with his 2012 campaign?

28 posted on 08/29/2009 8:05:56 AM PDT by leilani
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29 posted on 08/29/2009 8:06:39 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (http://www.conservatives4palin.com/)
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To: montomike
Libertarianism Conservatism is about minimal government and maximum personal freedom

There, fixed it
30 posted on 08/29/2009 8:07:44 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

I’m gonna miss miapelked — see, already zotted. I missed.


31 posted on 08/29/2009 8:10:11 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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>We must create a conservative socialist party.<

Done.

McCain, Graham, Snowe, Collins, Arnie...

I could go on forever.

It’s already been tried and it’s definitely not working.


32 posted on 08/29/2009 8:18:56 AM PDT by Califreak (If it's Astroturf, why are you trying to mow it?(sign seen at a town hall meeting))
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To: miapelked
miapelked


33 posted on 08/29/2009 8:19:45 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: miapelked

You got it, ZOT.


34 posted on 08/29/2009 8:23:01 AM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: miapelked
The Crab People love your idea:


35 posted on 08/29/2009 8:23:54 AM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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To: HangnJudge

Libertarianism is about anything goes, no borders, if I don’t hurt you...it’s cool.


36 posted on 08/29/2009 9:00:03 AM PDT by montomike (Politics should be about service and not a lucrative, money-making opportunity!)
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Looks like meat's back on the menu boys!!!
37 posted on 08/29/2009 9:05:37 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist -ww- I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: miapelked

A conservative socialist. Is that like a Christian witch?


38 posted on 08/29/2009 10:06:55 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: ViLaLuz

I think it’s more akin to a Marxist libertarian (just like Bill Mahar!).


39 posted on 08/29/2009 9:33:03 PM PDT by eclecticEel (The Most High rules in the kingdom of men ... and sets over it the basest of men.)
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To: miapelked

“conservative socialist party” - WTF are you talkin bout?

You’re new here, right?


40 posted on 09/04/2009 7:34:00 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (The only time I want a Republican reaching across the aisle is to smack a liberal.)
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To: miapelked; darkangel82; 50mm; hiredhand; darkwing104; Allegra; Viking2002; Old Sarge

ZOT!


41 posted on 09/04/2009 9:43:04 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (May God save the American Republic.)
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To: miapelked; 230FMJ; 50mm; A.Hun; abigailsmybaby; AFPhys; Aircop_2006; AliVeritas; Allegra; ...
Is it me or the post-op pain killers? What say the kitties?

Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my Viking Kitty/ZOT ping list!. . . don't be shy.

42 posted on 09/05/2009 6:30:38 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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ZOT!
ZOT! ZOT! ZOT! ZOT! ZOT! ZOT!

We hope you enjoyed the ride while you were here at FreeRepublic!
ZOT! ZOT! ZOT! ZOT! ZOT! ZOT! ZOT!

STFU!

We know how you must be feeling right about now. :-) ...
ZOT!


43 posted on 09/05/2009 6:44:27 AM PDT by hiredhand (Understand the CRA and why we're facing economic collapse - see my about page.)
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IBTZ?!?


44 posted on 09/05/2009 6:46:56 AM PDT by Atom Smasher
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Didn't your momma ever tell you, 'Don't smoke crack and type. Bad things always are the result'.

ta-ta moonbat

Zot!

45 posted on 09/05/2009 6:50:37 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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46 posted on 09/05/2009 6:53:43 AM PDT by paulycy (Screw the RACErs.)
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“conservative socialist”......

Dude -

is that kinda like jumbo-shrimp?


47 posted on 09/05/2009 9:31:04 AM PDT by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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48 posted on 09/05/2009 9:33:13 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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49 posted on 09/05/2009 11:30:16 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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conservative socialist

That's like saying pro-life abortionist, there just ain't no such thing.
50 posted on 09/05/2009 11:36:52 AM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Warning: Sarcasm/humor is always engaged. Failure to recognize this may lead to misunderstandings.)
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