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What are your thoughts on 2012 candidates? I am sharing mine and want some feedback...

Posted on 12/04/2009 5:49:30 AM PST by wzevonfan

Here is a list of 2012 candidates. Generally, I am dwelling on the negatives as this is what is going to limit them in their ability to win but will mention any unique positives.

Please share your thoughts on these or any other potential candidates.

Romney - Romneycare is an albatross. He is a Mormon which impacts appeal. Is popular in Michigan due to his father. Sometimes comes across like a used car salesman. Is probably more conservative than his record and gets a bad rap due to his need to make compromises to get elected in The People's Republic. Big question is can he rally a base that will be disenchanted with his record on social issues and healthcare.

Giuliani - Personal life has historically been a mess, pro-choice, pro-gay at times limiting appeal to social conservatives. Superb defense and fiscal credentials. Comes from NY and has appeal on Long Island and in the suburbs. Like Romney, could carry a significant blue state. Can he rally a base that will not be happy with his position on social issues?

Huckabee - Willy Horton II, clemency issue is big and can be distilled down into a 15 second spot. Fair Tax is legitimate conversation in fiscal conservative circles but sounds radical to moderate voters. Is a minister and has impeccable social conservative credentials. Talks about god too much at times which can be a strong negative to "casual Christians" for lack of a better term. Big question is can he carry DC suburbs, Philly suburbs and Ohio suburbs along with western states like CO, NM, and NV due to staunch social conservative positions.

Jindal - Young, maybe too young. Has had a meteoric rise. Severe media bias against due to his potential. Resulted in horrible reviews of prime time rebuttal which has stuck with voters. Is not investigating ACORN despite scandal. Has a few out of the mainstream catholic views and has even participated in exorcisms. Big question is will media bias torpedo his candidacy before it even begins.

Brownback - Will have only been governor for two years but has a long track record in the senate. Lacks name recognition of other candidates due to lack of controversy. Has strong social conservative credentials, supports a flat tax and has been generally pro-defense. Is typically on the conservation not environmental side of most issues. Big question is can I guy with very little name recognition gain the spotlight in the primaries.

Pawlenty - Decreasing popularity in own state. Is an evangelical who was raised catholic. Has managed to win in a state that is very liberal/independent. He has liberal views on the environment and has a nuanced track record on health care which will be easy to paint negatively. Is likely more conservative than record due to need to compromise. Big question is can he rally a base that will be unhappy with positions taken on the environment and healthcare.

Gingrich - Personal life has been a mess and opens him to charges of hypocrisy. Pretty severe media bias has subsided due to him no longer being viewed as a threat. Big question is can he overcome messy personal history and gain support with social conservatives.

Palin - Media Bias, Media Bias, Media Bias!!!!! What else can you say. She has a great record but so much damage was done during the last campaign. The Couric interview always comes up and the left/press seems truly terrified of her. The uninformed and stupid tend to believe what they hear and think she is an idiot. Big question is can she make a significant enough dent in her negatives and fight the media bias to have a shot.

McDonnell - Just dominated in the Old Dominion by running a smart campaign focused on fiscal issues. Will only have 3 years of executive experience but is running a large, sophisticated state. Has that thesis paper that the press will hammer away at but which helps reinforce his social conservative credentials. Big question is can he replicate his success on the national stage.

The other question of course is if the Dems continue on the current path will it even matter who gets nominated due to Obama bungling virtually everything he touches.


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1 posted on 12/04/2009 5:49:30 AM PST by wzevonfan
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To: wzevonfan

Huckabee and Newt are toast.

Ditto Charlie Crist/Scott Rothstein for Senate in FL.


2 posted on 12/04/2009 5:51:38 AM PST by Frantzie (Judge David Carter - democrat & dishonorable Marine like John Murtha.)
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To: Frantzie

I will say the candidate for this time around has not emerged


3 posted on 12/04/2009 5:52:30 AM PST by gibtx2 (End Tenure)
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To: wzevonfan

I am for the most experienced person — Mitt Romney.

This country needs someone with his business background at this time.


4 posted on 12/04/2009 5:52:31 AM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: wzevonfan
Resulted in horrible reviews of prime time rebuttal which has stuck with voters.

I doubt that anybody who's not totally addicted to politics will have idea what you're referring to. Jindal's rebuttal is a complete non-factor.

5 posted on 12/04/2009 5:55:32 AM PST by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: wzevonfan

I’d add Rick Santorum to your list.


6 posted on 12/04/2009 5:56:25 AM PST by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: wzevonfan

Governor Rick Perry of Texas anyone?


7 posted on 12/04/2009 5:56:37 AM PST by glide625
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To: wzevonfan

I am with Palin. She is like my child or my mother when it comes to it. I trust my family and I trust her. Palin has immediacy, nor because she earned it but because she lived it, obliviously. It is one thing to know that you project an image but it is another to project an image out of indifference.


8 posted on 12/04/2009 5:56:42 AM PST by Sarah-bot (God help us, and God help us help ourselves.)
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To: wzevonfan

William Katz (Urgent Agenda) has mentioned Fred Thompson in this arena too.

http://urgentagenda.com/PERMALINKS%20IV/DEC%202009/03.THOMPSON.HTML


9 posted on 12/04/2009 5:57:09 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: wzevonfan

Palin, Romney, and Pence so far. Way too early.


10 posted on 12/04/2009 5:58:03 AM PST by mtnwmn (Liberalism leads to Socialism)
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To: wzevonfan

I’m too busy actively opposing Obama and his cronies on Congress to think too much about 2012. The fight is 2010 and taking back Congress, then I will worry about 2012.


11 posted on 12/04/2009 5:59:38 AM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: wzevonfan
She (Palin) has a great record but so much damage was done during the last campaign.

Let's let the MSM choose our candidate again, why don't we?

They gave us Bob Dull and John McKeating, after all.

What could be wrong with that?

(Conservatism wins every time it's tried. It only loses when you present a RINO and pretend they're conservative.)

12 posted on 12/04/2009 5:59:43 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: wzevonfan

Palin and Pawlenty.

Letting the MSM shrill direct opinion gets candidates like McCain.......losers.

Palin, from all appearances with her book tour etc is definitely speaking for the conservative base, the average voter, who make up 75% of all voters not influenced by big money and old style party politics.

Romney is another compromise. Appeals to the left wingers because of his “accomplishments” as a governor. Appeals to the big money corporate lobby that seeks to do business directly with government and bypasses the good of the people.

Huckabee could garner a sizable voting bloc due to his social conservative approach. He would be an alternative to a Pawlenty.

All the others.......crickets. Nothing there for America as a whole.


13 posted on 12/04/2009 6:00:41 AM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: wzevonfan

What the media did to Palin is the same thing they did to George H.W. Bush’s vice president......she’s been “Quayled”.

They kept throwing “tomato” and “Murphy Brown” at Quayle;they’ll keep bringing up Katie “Colon” Couric with Palin...


14 posted on 12/04/2009 6:01:09 AM PST by massmike (...So this is what happens when OJ's jury elects the president....)
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To: pgkdan
I saw Rick on some show this week stating that the party had room for Lindsey Grahnesty because he was a great uniter. I puked in my hat and wrote Rick off.
15 posted on 12/04/2009 6:03:01 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: wzevonfan
The other question of course is if the Dems continue on the current path will it even matter who gets nominated due to Obama bungling virtually everything he touches.

Yeah it will. Bush got a second term because the Democrats nominated an inept boob to run against him.

16 posted on 12/04/2009 6:03:10 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: SumProVita

Hey I like Fred Thompson. He was the first politician I gave money to, and if he pulls for Palin I am right behind him. The point is that he had his day in the sun now it is Palin’s and Fed is man enough to understand that. I expect Fred Thompson to endorse Palin and if I am wrong I will be hurt. I hold Fred in a great higher light than I do Huckabee or any of the other 2008 candidates. Fred do the right thing (Sarah is a good woman)


17 posted on 12/04/2009 6:05:34 AM PST by Sarah-bot (God help us, and God help us help ourselves.)
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To: SumProVita

Hey I like Fred Thompson. He was the first politician I gave money to, and if he pulls for Palin I am right behind him. The point is that he had his day in the sun now it is Palin’s and Fed is man enough to understand that. I expect Fred Thompson to endorse Palin and if I am wrong I will be hurt. I hold Fred in a great higher light than I do Huckabee or any of the other 2008 candidates. Fred do the right thing (Sarah is a good woman)


18 posted on 12/04/2009 6:05:35 AM PST by Sarah-bot (God help us, and God help us help ourselves.)
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To: wzevonfan
Liberals have demonstrated that a radical populist with NOTHING in his character/background/associations/education to recommend himself CAN get into the WH.

Conservatives have MANY potential leaders WITH character/unimpeachable background/appropriate associations/education/demonstrated experience-AND a love for this country and respect for its citizens... who may be considered.

What is more, “O’s” professional ineptitude and personal abrasiveness have all but paved the way for the next Conservative leader. ALL our leadership needs to do is to mimic the approach “O” had. Send a message, (in our case, WITH substance), send it unambiguously and send it consistently!!!!

If an inexperienced, personally objectionable, professionally dubious, and avowedly ANTI-AMERICAn racist and posturing demagogue can become President.... I am sure a Conservative following the Liberals' simple campaign formula can succeed.

19 posted on 12/04/2009 6:07:35 AM PST by SMARTY ("What luck for rulers that men do not think. " Adolph Hitler)
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To: wzevonfan

Where do you get your information? ACORN has been under the microscope in Louisiana since before the ‘scandal’ broke.


20 posted on 12/04/2009 6:11:47 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: wzevonfan
Why is Brownback even on your list? He announced his candidacy in 2007, but dropped out even before the Iowa caucuses because he had NO support.
21 posted on 12/04/2009 6:12:30 AM PST by bwc2221
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To: wzevonfan

COME ON, GUY!
I have seen lists like this before and virtually ALL
these supposed candidates that are listed accompanied
by thumbnail evaluations, are typically RINO choices, in other words, people who in one way or another, are as sure
losers as John McCain was. That will NOT happen again.
As usual you leave off some actual contenders, like Jim De Mint and Inhofe. Any potential contender we don’t yet know about (or that people like you don’t “recognize”) will have to do a whole lot in the next year or so to distinguish himself as THE candidate for the growing NON-RINO Majority.
It’s no secret that the ONLY one of these listed contenders to have done that SO FAR is Sarah Palin! Why is she always on the list, but given such short shrift??? Yeah, politics is a popularity contest, that’s how Obama got elected, but purely on image alone and nebulous abstract qualities like HOPE and CHANGE. At the outset of every campaign the talking heads cluck and agonize about ‘electability’, making the usual noises like “Well, I like THIS candidate, but is he or she “electable??”.
Well, I will say it again, if things keep moving in her favor, as they inevitably will, she will not only be the ONLY electable one, but WILL be elected. It’s either that scenario, or one just as likely, which is she will once again be a VEEP choice, but for someone who CAN be elected, but THAT person will NOT be a RINO.


22 posted on 12/04/2009 6:13:27 AM PST by supremedoctrine (Talent hits a target no one else can hit. Genius hits a target no one else can see----Schopenhauer)
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To: wzevonfan
Nearly every name on your list is a nonstarter's.

Romney will never live down the MA health care debacle. His “experience” is disqualifying. He is the distilled essence of the GOP establishment and the establishment has failed comprehensively. Job one for a successful candidate is to establish him or herself as an insurgent. That role is way out of Romney's range. It is also out of Newt's range and Rudy's and that of everyone you mention (except Sarah Palin and possibly Bob McDonnell). We need to wrap our minds around the counter intuitive truth that inexperience is an essential attribute for the GOP’s next presidential candidate. Inexperience isn't sufficient, as Obama amply demonstrates, but it is necessary. The candidate can't be a conventional, career politician.

The 2010 election campaign will give us a whole new crop of names (John Kasich anyone?)to consider. Let's not waste any time on loser retreads like Romney, or bland milquetoasts like Pawlenty, or authoritarian progressives like Giulliani or geeky Ivy Leaguers like Jindal. In politics, like sport, the only really useful advice is to keep your eye on the ball.

23 posted on 12/04/2009 6:14:37 AM PST by fluffdaddy (Is anyone else missing Fred Thompson about now?)
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To: Sarah-bot

Your fourth sentence, even with the typo, was a thing of beauty and great insight.


24 posted on 12/04/2009 6:16:49 AM PST by supremedoctrine (Talent hits a target no one else can hit. Genius hits a target no one else can see----Schopenhauer)
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To: wzevonfan

We’d fare far better if we concentrated on the CONGRESSIONAL RACES coming up in 2010!

“People get the government they deserve” Joseph D’Maistre

Gang, we HAD a shot at cleaning these places out this last election and, to borrow a phrase from the klintoon White House, WE BLEW IT!!!

While I, like many of you, am saddened that McCain and Palin couldn’t keep the Marxist Obamessiah out of the White House, let’s try to keep things in some kind of rational perspective: ACORN elected a president and vice-president, NOT a monarch.

For years, I’ve been amazed at this idiotic quadrennial fascination with the beauty contest known as the (cue the trumpet fanfare) “PRESIDENTIAL RACE.” Our inattention and/or apparent desire for a king or a strong man dictatorship and/or the increasing numbers of un or ill-educated denizens of the U.S. who feel incapable of lifting themselves out of their own miserable lives has allowed our system to morph to the present quasi-monarchy from its original foundations as a representative REPUBLIC.

People, the most important thing we can remember about all of this is that the Founders constructed the system to put – AND KEEP — the KEYS TO THE FEDERAL CASH REGISTER IN CONGRESS and the current Gang of 535 could bring this out-of-control government spending and the steady usurpation of our freedoms to a screeching halt tomorrow at noon — IF THEY WANTED TO. Attila the Hun could occupy the White House and without the dough to hire the bureaucrats, buy the desks and computers, etc., etc. ad nauseum, Mr. Hun would be hamstrung. (See Article 1, Section 7 of the now largely moribund Constitution for details.)

But they DON’T — for a number of reasons: (And I cite the tax situation as but one example of the problem. Don’t get me started on the ENERGY and Algore’s gloBULL warming scam!)

1. They understand the need to vacuum the excess FRAUDS (Federal Reserve Accounting Unit Denominators) — there are no “dollars” circulating now! — out of circulation BEFORE the bulk of the dumb masses (say it really fast for maximum effect) catch on to the resultant inflation. If you question that statement, ask yourself why else would a criminal enterprise (the federal government) having the power to “create” “money” with the stroke of a pen NEED YOURS every April 15th?

2. The current Gang of 535 understands the need for the massive tax code (so-called because it is written in code by gnomes chained to posts in the cellars of K Street lobbying firms and understood only by their keepers) to reward their friends, punish their enemies and keep the rest of us under their thumbs with threats of draconian punishments should we run afoul of it. It is impossible to NOT run afoul of it.

3. While the dumb masses rant about the abusive practices of this top criminal enterprise’s subsidiary criminal enterprise (the IRS), members of the Gang can pose and posture for the cameras from time to time and declare that “something MUST be done to reign in the abuses of the IRS,” NOTHING WILL BE DONE until we clean house on Capitol Hill and get back to the HONEST, CONSTITUTIONAL MONEY called for at Art.1, Sect. 10. They’ve been playing a rigged game of 3 card-Monte with us for so long – and getting away with it – that, as Herman Cain’s book title declares – “They Think You’re STUPID.” And, hell, for MOST of the dumb masses, they’re right.

And THAT process starts in YOUR STATE and CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT by finding and supporting decent candidates — at ALL levels — who will go to YOUR state capitol and Malfunction Junction and do that house cleaning. Not marching on Washington (unless MILLIONS of pitchfork wielding folk crowd the Mall, the elites are amused by these things and the only folks who benefit from the finite patriot resources devoted to them are the airlines, hotels and restaurants in D.C.)...not sending “money” to the RNC (LOL!)...not writing poison pen letters to these current jerks...but THROWING OUT THE CURRENT JERKS you have identified as NOT having the country’s interests at heart and doing it as many times as necessary to get it done. And then watching the NEW GUYS like a hawk to make certain THEY don’t go bad from imbibing too much of that power Kool-Aid so popular in Disneyland on The Potomac.

A good news in the viability of this approach is that the controlled so-called national mainstream media have far less impact on these widely separated congressional races making it easier to get some good guys elected.

The bad news is that I can speak from personal experience about how the national PARTIES will survey all the contested congressional races and if they DO find a candidate they do not or think they cannot control running on their side, they’ll offer a “consultant” from headquarters to come in and ASSIST the campaign. In at least 4 cases with which I am familiar, the Republican National Committee TORPEDOED those campaigns so a good guy who might be more inclined to cling to the Constitution before toeing the party line didn’t make it to D.C.

And for you who, like a sad number of the dumb masses, THINK YOUR GUY IS OK, go to GRADEGOV at

http://www.gradegov.com/

for your guy’s voting record on taxes, spending or your personal hot button issues. You might be in for an unpleasant surprise.

Then head on over to http://goooh.com and get active in some HOUSE CLEANING in the next election!

I often get the strong sense that the American people have some sick and sophomoric yearning for a new ROYAL FAMILY or BENEVOLENT KING to make their lives what they themselves feel incapable of making them without some nanny-state sovereign. Throughout history, with few exceptions conspicuous because of their rarity, those systems nearly always become malignant and freedom founders and eventually fails. With the exception of America – the IDEA, not the place – most men who have walked the earth have lived as slaves.

As opportunities afford themselves (and this is one), I simply attempt to remind my fellow citizens of that history and what lies ahead if they continue in their ignorance of that history.

I could go on for volumes but you get the idea.

One final thought: With the exception of the guys who CLEARLY pass muster at GRADEGOV, RE-ELECT NOBODY!!!!!

Standing by for a record breaking flaming by the fanatics.


25 posted on 12/04/2009 6:17:37 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: GOP_Lady

This country needs someone with the courage of his/her convictions, not someone who changes positions on key issues depending on what he/she thinks the voters want to hear that day.

In the 2008 MI primary I voted for Mitt because he was not John McCain. In 2012 I’d prefer a real conservative.


26 posted on 12/04/2009 6:17:42 AM PST by bwc2221
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To: massmike
I think there are some key difference between Quayle and Palin:

a) Palin is much sharper, dynamic and charismatic than Quayle. I'm not sure Quayle had much of a future even if he hadn't been “Quayled” by the MSM. Nothing against him, he just was not as talented as Palin, IMHO.

b) The MSM had a LOT more credibility in the eyes of the average American back then. There was always a liberal bias, but it was somewhat weaker and a lot less obvious 20 years ago. During the 2008 campaign and since the MSM has pretty much shed all pretense of objectivity, and has forfeited most of its perceived credibility. Three years from now, their attacks on Palin will have little or no effect.

c) The new media gives Palin the ability to reach the voters directly. Also, Fox News did not exist when Quayle was “Quayled” and is now the dominant force in cable news.

d) 0bama, Pelosi, Reid and the Democrats are pushing their agenda of Socialism and perversion so far that a huge backlash is developing. Americans are seeing extreme Liberalism for what it is and are rejecting it. By 2012, voters may be so fed up that practically any GOP candidate could defeat 0bama.

27 posted on 12/04/2009 6:24:03 AM PST by Above My Pay Grade
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To: wzevonfan

Unlike most freepers, I liked Romney last time around. But he is now a non starter due to Romneycare.

My picks are Palin, Pence, DeMint, McDonell, Thune. In that order.


28 posted on 12/04/2009 6:24:30 AM PST by nhwingut (The media's love affair with Obama reminds me of a dog humping a telephone pole. PS-Palin/Bachmann)
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To: wzevonfan

Unlike most freepers, I liked Romney last time around. But he is now a non starter due to Romneycare.

My picks are Palin, Pence, DeMint, McDonell, Thune. In that order.


29 posted on 12/04/2009 6:24:32 AM PST by nhwingut (The media's love affair with Obama reminds me of a dog humping a telephone pole. PS-Palin/Bachmann)
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To: nhwingut

Duncan Hunter
Fred Thompson
Sarah Palin


30 posted on 12/04/2009 6:31:58 AM PST by GYPSY286 (Politicians must USE their heads or Americans will LOSE their heads.)
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To: gibtx2

“I will say the candidate for this time around has not emerged”

Ditto. Unfortunately they may not by election time either.

In a country of 300 million people, it’s hard to believe these are the choices.


31 posted on 12/04/2009 6:35:43 AM PST by Pessimist (u)
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To: GOP_Lady
We need a CONSERVATAIVE POTUS, not a Liberal RINO, who changes his positions on key issues to suit the political climate, and still promotes his failed, Socialist ROMNEYcare program as a success.

Palin 2012

32 posted on 12/04/2009 6:37:56 AM PST by Above My Pay Grade
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To: wzevonfan

It gets much clearer when you break it down to basics. I am a conservative. I think that the more conservative the president we have the better our country will be. The most conservative of that bunch is Palin, so I will support her if she runs (and I think she will). As far as electability is concerned, don’t underestimate her. I don’t know that she is the “next Reagan”. I just know that there isn’t anyone else CLOSE to that standard.


33 posted on 12/04/2009 6:39:55 AM PST by jdsteel (CONGRESS: Take it again in twenty ten.)
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To: wzevonfan

I have lived in Michigan for 70 years and Gov. Romney was not the most popular politican in the state...Lots of people don’t even know who he is. He was Gov. during the Viet nam war.....complained that the military brain washed him...something of a kook......


34 posted on 12/04/2009 6:40:43 AM PST by goat granny
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To: GOP_Lady

His Romneycare disaster , would make him a sure loser as a candidate.


35 posted on 12/04/2009 6:53:54 AM PST by Freddd (CNN is not credible.)
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To: nhwingut

Palin has no chance. Outside of FR, she is a joke, quit the governorship, and has too little experience. I like her and think there is a role for her, but she is not going to be president in 2012 or probably ever.

I like Pence. If he is interested, it will be interesting to see how he plays nationally without the name recognition.

DeMint would be ideal, but has no charisma. Unfortunatley, in a superficial world, that puts a nail in the coffin.

McDonnell ran a great campaign, but let’s see if he produces any results before annointing him. Virginia is in quite a mess and McDonnell still hasn’t talked about cutting spending.

I don’t know much about Thune other than that he is good looking and has good hair. Unfortunately, that is a qualifier.


36 posted on 12/04/2009 6:55:30 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: wolfman23601
"Palin has no chance."

Hahaha!

First of all, how many folks gave 0 "a chance" going into the primaries in 2008?

Secondly, Palin's approval numbers have been climbing, and are now almost on par with 0 himself. What current high-profile Republican has higher approval?

Personally, I don't really care if Sarah is the Presidential or Vice Presidential candidate if we can find someone better for the top of the ticket. It seems clear to me no one suitable has yet emerged (perhaps Bachmann...maybe). Surely no one will yap about her "lack of experience" after 0's tyro tour de force.

Sarah Palin '12! The anti-0!

37 posted on 12/04/2009 7:03:29 AM PST by PreciousLiberty (In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not.)
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To: wolfman23601

38 posted on 12/04/2009 7:17:23 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (http://www.conservatives4palin.com/)
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To: wzevonfan

The two on my list are DeMint and Palin.


39 posted on 12/04/2009 7:18:51 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wolfman23601
Outside of FR, she is a joke

Gee... a million plus FReepers. Who knew?


40 posted on 12/04/2009 7:21:07 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (http://www.conservatives4palin.com/)
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To: glide625

Governor Rick Perry of Texas anyone?


Heck he maybe out of a job by that time and needing another gov’t teat to such on.


41 posted on 12/04/2009 7:23:13 AM PST by deport (88 DAYS UNTIL THE TEXAS PRIMARY....... MARCH 2, 2010)
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To: Frantzie

Huck & Mitt are non starters, if either of these boobs gets the nomination a conservative will run to the right of them and we get a Fauxbama 2nd term with him winning by plurality with less than 40% of the total vote.


42 posted on 12/04/2009 7:23:44 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: GOP_Lady
I am for the most experienced person — Mitt Romney.


43 posted on 12/04/2009 7:38:36 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (http://www.conservatives4palin.com/)
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To: HamiltonJay

Considering the uninspiring field of offerings, it’ll probably be Obama’s election to lose, i.e., he’d have to screw something up big time to actually not win it.

These elections are pointless without “None of the Above”.


44 posted on 12/04/2009 7:41:14 AM PST by glide625
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To: GOP_Lady

Yep, he’s experienced all right.

Pro-Abortion

And his business experience really helped him when he signed into law a draconian bill that has economically devestated his state, and effectively taxes everyone for simply breathing.

Romney is nothing more than a slimey used car salesman, he talks like he’s conservative and tries to act like he’s the heir to Reagan, when his political record is a cross between Bill Clinton and George Bush I. This guys a fraud, a liberal republican and DOA.

Hey, RNC, are you reading this??? I WILL NOT HOLD MY NOSE AND VOTE FOR ROMNEY!!!!! I am not alone on this one!!! Not by a long shot! I am sick of Republicans putting up Liberalism Light candidates. I will not hold my nose and vote for another one.


45 posted on 12/04/2009 7:49:10 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: wolfman23601

Wolfman,

You are listening to too many pundents. I don’t know if Palin is going to be a serious contender in 12 or not, but I can tell you this, what she is doing right now is completely outside the conventional model, which is EXACTLY how she took down the corruption of her own party in her own state, and how she stared down EXXON and showed them the door and got a better deal for her state in the process.

Just because conventional wisdom would say she can’t seriously compete because she’s not in the GOP system, does not mean she won’t be the winner when the dust is all settled.

I think Palin is far smarter than folks give her credit for, and perhaps a bit more ruthless too. If she and Cheney continue to be the only voices in the wilderness saying what the overwhelming majority of the electorate is saying to the liberal socialist agenda, you better believe she’s going to be a force in the coming cycle, no matter what the pundents and the folks in the RNC headquarters think or say.

Her entire political career has been unconventional and outside the “norm”... writing her off simply because of that is foolish.


46 posted on 12/04/2009 8:00:40 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: glide625

Its to early to be looking at 2012. We need to stay focused on 2010. Any conservative canidate that announces this early is just giving the opposition time to bash them with the liberal media’s help.

IMHO Palin is either the Queen of this race or will be the GOP “KING MAKER”. She hasn’t announced but she is in the media light almost daily, I think she has recovered from the damage the media caused in the last election.

DeMint is a possability, he has been coming on strong. I like Jindal.

It will be Obama’s election to lose, incumbents have the edge...I just hope that when 2010 does go conservative, and applies the brakes to Obama’s agendas, we don’t shoot ourselves in the ass and do things to help his re-election bid.


47 posted on 12/04/2009 8:06:08 AM PST by TheShaz
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To: wzevonfan
Romney - Huckabee – Both made “Willie Horton” Moves to release murderers. They are finished.

Romney – Proven bad Governor. Massachusetts’ economy tanked as Romney
also imposed gay marriage, socialized medicine, RomneyCARE,
and Romney-DEATHpanels, as Romney also ruined the GOP, and brought in millions of illegal aliens destroying whole cities.
Romney is also hated for his perpetual crying and hiding behind his religion,
for leaving Massachusetts as he ran for President unsuccessfully using dirty tricks,
and for directing, encouraging, and condoning, his team to attack Gov. Palin on the “eve” of the Election 2008.

Palin – Proven good Governor. Beloved.

Game over.

48 posted on 12/04/2009 8:11:04 AM PST by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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To: jdsteel
... the more conservative the president we have the better our country will be. The most conservative of that bunch is Palin, so I will support her if she runs (and I think she will). As far as electability is concerned, don’t underestimate her. I don’t know that she is the “next Reagan”. I just know that there isn’t anyone else CLOSE to that standard.

Very well said. I like Fred Thompson, but he doesn't want the job enough to get noticed by the average voter (not a flaw in the man, but a fatal flaw in a candidate). Like you, I expect Palin to run, and I think she has a good chance of winning ... unless elections are suspended for the duration of the "crisis" once Obama/Pelosi see that socialism isn't as popular with the living as it is with ACORN's dead voters. As several others have mentioned though, I'm far more concerned for now with 2010. We need conservatives running, which means they need to be getting their campaigns set up now. I am funding several of them - generously - and I hope other Freepers are putting their money behind the drive to take back an America that follows the Constitution.

49 posted on 12/04/2009 8:20:44 AM PST by TurtleUp ([...Insert today's quote from Community-Organizer-in-Chief...] - Obama, YOU LIE!)
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To: big'ol_freeper

We need new faces—The old guys will not do. No Mitts, No Huckabee, No McCains. Jindal is too young-—maybe in the future. Sarah Palin is the best we have but she comes with baggage. I would toss in this hand and seek new people—General Patreaus might be a good choice. No Senators or Congress Critters! Go with a war hero (not a war victim like McCain) Someone the nation can rally around. We need people with lots of experience and Conservative values proven over time. The Mitts, Newts and such can serve on the cabinet if you will. We will need to rally the nation.


50 posted on 12/04/2009 8:46:39 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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