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DOH indirectly confirms: Factcheck COLB date filed and certificate number impossible
Butterdezillion | Feb 23, 2010 | Butterdezillion

Posted on 02/23/2010 8:02:16 AM PST by butterdezillion

I've updated my blog to include the e-mail from Janice Okubo confirming that they assign birth certificate numbers in the state registrar's office and the day they do that is the "Date filed by state registrar".

The pertinent portion from Okubo's e-mail:

In regards to the terms “date accepted” and “date filed” on a Hawaii birth certificate, the department has no records that define these terms. Historically, the terms “Date accepted by the State Registrar” and “Date filed by the State Registrar” referred to the date a record was received in a Department of Health office (on the island of O’ahu or on the neighbor islands of Kaua’i, Hawai’i, Maui, Moloka’i, or Lana’i), and the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office located on the island of O’ahu) respectively.

MY SUMMARY: As you can see, Okubo said that the “Date filed by the State Registrar” is the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office).

There are no pre-numbered certificates. A certificate given a certificate number on Aug 8th (Obama’s Factcheck COLB) would not be given a later number than a certificate given a number on Aug 11th (the Nordyke certificates).

There is no way that both the date filed and the certificate number can be correct on the Factcheck COLB. The COLB is thus proven to be a forgery.


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The link to the "Red Flags" article is http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/red-flags-in-hawaii-2/

The link to the post cited above is http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/02/23/confirmation-that-certificate-number-given-by-state-registrar%e2%80%99s-office/

I am not a liar. Ender Wiggins is.

1 posted on 02/23/2010 8:02:17 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: LucyT; STARWISE; Fred Nerks; little jeremiah

*ping*


2 posted on 02/23/2010 8:04:44 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: butterdezillion

We could get a certified copy of a BC saying Nobama was born on Mars and it would not matter. No one would do a thing about it. No one would even having “standing”. It just doesn’t matter now.


3 posted on 02/23/2010 8:05:16 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: butterdezillion

Ender wiggins is a paid Obama/Axholerod chinslurper


4 posted on 02/23/2010 8:05:32 AM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: ilovesarah2012
We could get a certified copy of a BC saying Nobama was born on Mars and it would not matter. No one would do a thing about it. No one would even having “standing”. It just doesn’t matter now.

Violation of the Constitution concerning the highest office in the land always matters. Doing nothing is tantamount to claiming the Constitution is irrelevant. Once people accept that attitude then the country becomes irrelevant.
5 posted on 02/23/2010 8:14:27 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: ilovesarah2012

It will always matter if we let law enforcement go the way of Mexico.

This isn’t about Obama. It’s about the integrity of our entire system of government and our media.

It will always be worth fighting the unholy alliance of government and media corruption.


6 posted on 02/23/2010 8:14:37 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

I suggest everyone back up all their data on Obama in a secure location off the internet. Hard discs.

When the time comes there will be a heavy demand to pass on un-tainted information as in the imminent future with their backs against the wall the supporters of Obama and his machine will aggressively search out and destroy absolutely anything on the web that they think will cause concern about Obamas past.

Of course we know they have been doing just that for some time now but it will ratchet up considerably soon. Also will be the introduction of false trails and manufactured diversions.

Presumably after he is removed from office(big if and when)and its under circumstances of a mysterious origin(AIDS, stroke, Michelle goes Jihad)there will be millions of people asking for the truth.

And thus its our responsibility to ensure the future history HAS the truth, not a manufactured puppet with strings shielded in secrecy.

Bonne chance.


7 posted on 02/23/2010 8:15:58 AM PST by Eye of Unk ("Either you are with us or you are for the terrorists." ~~George W. Bush)
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To: Man50D

Okay - tell me who would do something and how they would go about it.


8 posted on 02/23/2010 8:17:08 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: Red Steel; Beckwith; null and void; Velveeta; Danae; El Gato; MissTickly; maggief; Liz; ...

~~Ping!


9 posted on 02/23/2010 8:25:06 AM PST by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: butterdezillion

This is important please don’t let the nay-sayers or the oh it’s to laters distract this fact finding effort.

We must build a case to first prevent Soetoro from even thinking about a second term and then we must go after Pelosi, Howard Dean and every Judge from the Supreme Court on down that had this case before them but committed treason by not allowing the facts to be presented before them.


10 posted on 02/23/2010 8:25:15 AM PST by Alaphiah123 (The corruption of man, as Emerson wrote, leads to the corruption of language. And the corruption of)
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To: Man50D; ilovesarah2012
Violation of the Constitution concerning the highest office in the land always matters. Doing nothing is tantamount to claiming the Constitution is irrelevant. Once people accept that attitude then the country becomes irrelevant.

Bingo --

11 posted on 02/23/2010 8:28:09 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: butterdezillion; Fred Nerks; null and void; rxsid; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; ...

ping


12 posted on 02/23/2010 8:28:47 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 397 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

You are absolutely right. Nobama will have retired on a gubmint pention by the time the birthers accomplish anything. I don’t understand why they never mention the Republican Governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle. Surely she could help.


13 posted on 02/23/2010 8:29:15 AM PST by HospiceNurse
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To: ilovesarah2012
Okay - tell me who would do something and how they would go about it.

Go to the website americangrandjury.org and thoroughly read all the information including the history of the Grand Jury. There are also several legal professionals still pursuing legal challenges via lawsuits.
14 posted on 02/23/2010 8:30:02 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Alaphiah123

Actually there must be a concerted and very well documented effort by several independent vetting agencies for ANY and ALL politicians.

They can be classed by their eligibility rating.

A-1-Suitable for Presidential nomination.
B-2-Suitable up to Senator or Governor.

The ratings should also show the absolute limit as well due to place of birth, place of parents birth etc.

We must push this issue no matter who, no exceptions.


15 posted on 02/23/2010 8:30:17 AM PST by Eye of Unk ("Either you are with us or you are for the terrorists." ~~George W. Bush)
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To: Eye of Unk

There’s always this:

http://www.theobamafile.com/index.html

Backed up nightly in two separate locations.


16 posted on 02/23/2010 8:32:43 AM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Man50D

And everyone gets kicked out for “lack of standing”. I am telling you, no matter what proof is found, nothing will change. Who would convene the GJ to begin with?


17 posted on 02/23/2010 8:33:28 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: HospiceNurse

I believe that, in the past, no effort was made (by those in a capacity to make it) because of the prospect of wide-spread urban “race” riots.

I think the time is either very near or now to reject such thoughts; the urbanites will not rise up at the so-called “politically motivated rejection” of Opossum from Office. If they do, it would be summarily weak.


18 posted on 02/23/2010 8:34:21 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Freepmail me to get on the Bourbon ping list.)
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To: butterdezillion

IBTABT - In Before the AFTER-birthers Trolls.


19 posted on 02/23/2010 8:35:39 AM PST by stockpirate (Hey Beck, Thomas Jefferson was a birther!)
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To: ilovesarah2012
And everyone gets kicked out for “lack of standing”. I am telling you, no matter what proof is found, nothing will change. Who would convene the GJ to begin with?

Read the information at the website!
20 posted on 02/23/2010 8:35:57 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: HospiceNurse

Re: “I don’t understand why they never mention the Republican Governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle. Surely she could help.”

No. She can’t.

The Republican Party is complicit in Obama’s coup d’etat.

They became a party to the conspiracy, and the Democrats compromised the Republican candidate when Leahy and company “resolved” that John McCain was/is a “natural born” citizen. He isn’t, and was/is equally ineligible to serve as CiC.

They neutered McCain who never said a word about Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Alice Palmer, and the rest of the communists, socialists, black nationalists, and other assorted dirtbags that form Obama’s closest and longest lasting relationships and associations.

Most members of Congress are attorneys. The judges too. They all studied the Constitution. They know the law (at least enough to pass the bar).

They know Obama is ineligible, but they made a deal with the devil and now have to live with it.


21 posted on 02/23/2010 8:45:15 AM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: HospiceNurse

She has. She’s confirmed Obama was born in Hawaii. Problem is, nobody is listening.

parsy, who listens...


22 posted on 02/23/2010 8:47:07 AM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: stockpirate

I refer to them as Gullibles:

http://www.theobamafile.com/_opinion/Gullibles.htm


23 posted on 02/23/2010 8:47:22 AM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Beckwith

AFTER-birthers is more accurate, first we had the birthers, then those who attacked the birthers came about, so hence they are AFTER-birthers.


24 posted on 02/23/2010 8:49:50 AM PST by stockpirate (Hey Beck, Thomas Jefferson was a birther!)
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To: Beckwith

Thats why they will all get voted out of office...hey maybe they have room for them in the unemployment lines...so they can get some of those gubment benifits they voted for...


25 posted on 02/23/2010 8:53:30 AM PST by Jessica2677 (S.O.S.)
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To: Eye of Unk

Suitable or Constitutionally Eligible? CE is more inline with our current problem.

But yes since there is no more honor in the United States we must now do by law and mandate what honorable people used to by their own personal ethics.


26 posted on 02/23/2010 8:55:35 AM PST by Alaphiah123 (The corruption of man, as Emerson wrote, leads to the corruption of language. And the corruption of)
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To: parsifal

Parsy, Lingle has confirmed nothing.

Okubo has confirmed the Factcheck COLB is a forgery.

And Fukino has confirmed that they have to look at 2 or more vital records for Obama’s birth before they can come up with a statement that he was born in Hawaii. According to Hawaii law, that means that Hawaii does NOT VOUCH for the accuracy of what’s on those records.

The Hawaii AG’s office refuses to say whether Fukino’s statement was legal. I suspect it’s because they know it’s not - because Fukino is not allowed to make such a disclosure, AND because she cannot legally conclude what she did about his birthplace because Obama has never presented his birth records as evidence to her or anybody else.


27 posted on 02/23/2010 9:06:24 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Man50D

“Violation of the Constitution concerning the highest office in the land always matters. “

Amen, brother!


28 posted on 02/23/2010 9:07:42 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINOS)
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To: butterdezillion

29 posted on 02/23/2010 9:09:48 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Man50D

That would cover every record Obama has no word from Soros.


30 posted on 02/23/2010 9:16:44 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: butterdezillion
A related issue, From WND article.,link

the State Department has stated in response to a FOIA request that they do not have a U.S. Passport application on file for Barack H. Obama," he explained. (berg)

-The birth certificate ,I assume ,would have been needed for US passport.

31 posted on 02/23/2010 9:26:42 AM PST by opentalk
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To: Man50D

Exactly. And the fact that Obama’s lawyers referred to the Factcheck COLB ties them to the forgery. The Hawaii DOH including a link to the Factcheck forgery seems to be an endorsement of the forgery as well, which should get them in a whole heap of trouble.

The Fight the Smears COLB is also a forgery - posted on Obama’s own website. It doesn’t have the certificate number on it, but it also doesn’t have note of the amendment.

By June of 2007 Obama had already amended his birth certificate. Why did he use somebody else’s? It would have been easier to just delete the note of the amendment off of his own.

I’m really wondering if Obama CAN’T get a COLB because his birth certificate has a void flag. I asked Okubo for a blank form that they use for COLB’s which don’t meet the standard to be prima facie evidence. Here’s that exchange:

I said: “This form for an abbreviated copy of a birth certificate has the “prima facie” statement on it. Please send a blank voided copy of both the standard copy and abbreviated copy form used when a certificate no longer qualifies as prima facie evidence - such as amended or delayed birth certificates.”

She responded: “A redacted birth certificate is attached. There are no other records responsive to your request.”

I’m wondering if his certificate was ever given a number and whether - even if it has a number now - it can be printed as a COLB since it doesn’t qualify as prima facie evidence.

Either she is saying that they give the same birth certificate regardless of whether the certificate is legally void, OR that they won’t print a COLB at all if the certificate is legally void.

How do you guys read her response?


32 posted on 02/23/2010 9:27:08 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Man50D

You didn’t answer my question. Who would do it?


33 posted on 02/23/2010 9:28:57 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: opentalk

Wow. Just wow.

This thing is ready to break open.

Think the MSM will ever do an accurate report on it?


34 posted on 02/23/2010 9:29:19 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: ilovesarah2012
You didn’t answer my question. Who would do it?,?I>

The answers to your questions are at the website provided! Read the freaking information!

35 posted on 02/23/2010 9:37:12 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Man50D
In 1961, the Public Health Services, U. S Department of Health, Education and Welfare, National Center for Health Statistics, National Vital Statistics Division published the "Vital Statistics of the United States

Page 231 contains the requirements for "Race and color." "Births in the United States in 1961 are classified for vital statistics into white, Negro, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Aleut, Eskimo, Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian (combined), and "other nonwhite."

No classification for "African" as listed on Obama COLB

from steady drip link

36 posted on 02/23/2010 9:40:22 AM PST by opentalk
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To: null and void

At the rate it’s going it will be 100 years before we find out.

Is there anyway to tell if his navel is original equipment?


37 posted on 02/23/2010 9:50:40 AM PST by Lady Jag (Increase your wealth.. Fire the government)
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To: Man50D
Doing nothing is tantamount to claiming the Constitution is irrelevant. Once people accept that attitude then the country becomes irrelevant.

Then, for millions of people, the country is already irrelevant. Nothing is what most people do best anymore.

Sealand's looking better every day.
38 posted on 02/23/2010 9:53:07 AM PST by Ellendra (Can't starve us out, and you can't make us run. . . -Hank Jr.)
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To: butterdezillion

RIGHT ON!

Nice job!
You did it!!!!!!!!!

On my Long form BC it has two boxes (box 11b “Date received by local Registrar” and box 11c “Date Accepted by the state”), on mine they both have a hand stamp (meaning a stamp held in someone’s hand where dials are turned to give the correct date, yes old school style) both of which read Aug 14 1969.

My birthday is Aug. 7th 1969. in box 10a there is the “Certifier signature”, the Dr. who delivered me, Dr. Moncur MD in this case. He certified my live birth on Aug 13th 1969, which is hand written out with the same pen that the Dr. signed his name (box 10a) with in box 10b (the date).

On my computer printed COLB it states:” DATE FILED BY REGISTRAR August 14, 1969”

I was born in Honolulu Hawaii, and so the “date received by local registrar”, “date accepted by the state” and “date filed by the registrar” are all the same date, Aug 14 1969. My Certificate was signed by the Dr the day before (Aug 13 1969), sent to the Honolulu office the next day (Aug 14 1969).

This story adds up perfectly.

Upon calling the DOH and asking what the difference between “filed by” and “accepted” on meant, I was told that they meant the same thing. The same story they gave Misstickley. Which is a true story, they just left out the fact that on the outer islands the date that a record is accepted by the state and the day it gets an actual FILE number in Honolulu could easily have been different.

She has done it, the Posted COLB on FactCheck etc is with certainty a forgery.


39 posted on 02/23/2010 9:55:40 AM PST by Danae (Don't like our Constitution? Try living in a country with out one.)
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To: Man50D

From the website -

The criminal justice system in this country CAN stop Obama. It requires the right “legal team” and court to do it. Once Obama is exposed for the fraud that he is our Nation can heal its wounds and move on. Obama can no longer be allowed to “usurp” the supreme laws of our land!

Still doesn’t answer who would be the “right legal team” or “court”. Didn’t answer my question.


40 posted on 02/23/2010 9:55:47 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: STARWISE
Have you seen this?

Berg claims he filed a FOIA for Obama’s Passport application
and the State Department's response was they do not have a U.S. Passport application on file for Barack H. Obama.

“Renewing an Indonesian Passport after the age of 18 is an affirmative act, as you are swearing allegiance to another Country. Soetoro/Obama renewed his Indonesian Passport when he traveled to Pakistan, that is why he had to stop in Indonesia first. Remember, in 1981, Dunham was divorcing Soetoro in Hawaii and was not in Indonesia. Obama/Soetoro admits to traveling to Indonesia first and then onto Pakistan. Soetoro/Obama claims in his book “Dreams from my father” that he stopped in Indonesia to visit his mother. But again, his mother was not in Indonesia, she was in Hawaii with Maya, divorcing Lolo Soetoro. In addition, the State Department has stated in response to a FOIA request that they do not have a U.S. Passport application on file for Barack H. Obama.”

http://obamacrimes.com/?p=376

41 posted on 02/23/2010 9:57:04 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Beckwith

You are right on Beckwith!

McCain and the rest of DC have been in on it ever since they started pushing those bills that ended with SR511 “certifying” McCain an NBC. Obama Co-Sponsored the bills because he KNEW it compromised the entire GOP and they would not be able to stop him.

Checkmate.

Now lets KICK THE BASTARDS OUT!!!!!


42 posted on 02/23/2010 9:58:07 AM PST by Danae (Don't like our Constitution? Try living in a country with out one.)
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To: mlo; Non-Sequitur; parsifal; Pilsner; Drew68; curiosity; Sibre Fan; El Sordo; MilspecRob; ...

Ping to more circular logic about the datestamp and certificate number on the COLB.


43 posted on 02/23/2010 10:02:59 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Honesty, Character, & Loyalty still matter)
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To: DaveTesla

WHOLEY CRAP.

This is the smoking gun.

This is the best evidence I have seen yet that the house of cards is about to come crashing down.


44 posted on 02/23/2010 10:08:02 AM PST by Danae (Don't like our Constitution? Try living in a country with out one.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Oh no.... this is not circular logic at all. It makes 100% sense and matches COMPLETELY what I know of my own birth in Hawaii and all the information on my COLB and Long form.

Also check post 41

This is smoking hot gun with bouncing shell casing.


45 posted on 02/23/2010 10:10:02 AM PST by Danae (Don't like our Constitution? Try living in a country with out one.)
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To: Eye of Unk

Who is Winston Smith?


46 posted on 02/23/2010 10:10:37 AM PST by esquirette (If we do not know our own worldview, we will accept theirs.)
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To: Danae

It’s hard accepting the fact that we’ve been taken over by Islam, huh?


47 posted on 02/23/2010 10:10:39 AM PST by Freddd
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To: BuckeyeTexan

I only made a brief stop here, earlier. I figured the Birther Units needed some “collective” time together after that little “Orly Goes to the U.N.” thingie. That’s got to sting! Ouch!

Captain Quest, who did not call the Sanity Squad into action


48 posted on 02/23/2010 10:11:19 AM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: Freddd

Not really, I have been screaming about it for a long time, months and months before the elections. The real sense of doom came when Hillary lost.


49 posted on 02/23/2010 10:16:03 AM PST by Danae (Don't like our Constitution? Try living in a country with out one.)
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To: parsifal

LOL No one really pays much attention to O’rly. She is useful in that she keeps in in the press, but not in a good way.

That being said, I still think the cretin was born in Hawaii, but there is something REAL irregular about it.

He amended his Birth records during the period he decided to run for POTUS. WHY WOULD HE NEED TO DO THAT?


50 posted on 02/23/2010 10:18:08 AM PST by Danae (Don't like our Constitution? Try living in a country with out one.)
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