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Abe Lincoln was a dictator??? (Need Help combating loony argument)

Posted on 04/19/2010 8:18:35 AM PDT by erod

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To: erod

Would a dictator have given someone like Booth the opportunity Booth had?


41 posted on 04/19/2010 8:45:11 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: erod

Argue that he wasn’t a dictator to the nearly 13K people he imprisoned on suspicion of being a spy - including women and children. Make the argument with consideration that he rescinded Habeus Corpus. Make the argument to the people whose country he invaded and private property he seized - and never made restitution. And make the argument to the people whose sons he slew in the invasion of said country. All for the sake of cotton and the almighty dollar. The slavery argument was BS - Jefferson Davis freed the slaves long before Lincoln.


42 posted on 04/19/2010 8:47:07 AM PDT by phoenix07
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To: Logical me

The difference is Lincoln did what he had to do and the result is he saved the nation.

Only if you consider an occupied colong stripped of its economic heart part of a nation. My take is he did it all to perserve his “relevancy”. Just saying.


43 posted on 04/19/2010 8:47:40 AM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: ClearCase_guy

He is a relatively new poster.


44 posted on 04/19/2010 8:48:01 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: phoenix07
The slavery argument was BS - Jefferson Davis freed the slaves long before Lincoln

Say what???

45 posted on 04/19/2010 8:48:16 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Logical me
he saved the nation

We were intended to be a union of "the several states". Up until 1860, the phrase "these united states" was commonly used. All of that was thrown away when the federal government asserted primacy over each and every state.

We now speak of "the United States" and we pay no attention to the 10th Amendment at all.

Lincoln is the first guy to "burn the village in order to save it".

46 posted on 04/19/2010 8:48:43 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: pgkdan

“He was a tyrant. He valued the Union so much that he shat all over the Constitution. Obama has more respect for the Constitution than Lincoln did.”

And that ain’t sayin’ much.......


47 posted on 04/19/2010 8:48:47 AM PDT by phoenix07
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To: dinoparty

Excepting that it was Lincoln who started the war.


48 posted on 04/19/2010 8:50:58 AM PDT by phoenix07
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To: Oratam

Well, there was no mention of that...

...but you never know!


49 posted on 04/19/2010 8:52:32 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: erod

ping


50 posted on 04/19/2010 8:52:38 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("The world will know that free men stood against a tyrant [...] that even a god-king can bleed.")
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To: equalitybeforethelaw
Only if you consider an occupied colong stripped of its economic heart part of a nation.

When the "economic heart" is based upon holding fellow human beings as chattel, then maybe that heart needed to be stripped out.

51 posted on 04/19/2010 8:53:43 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: erod

Well, he did suspend Habeas Corpus for a couple years, signed an arrest warrant for some newspaper editors, started conscription, levied the Revenue Act (3% on incomes) to raise cash for the war, prohibited trade between states, blockaded US ports, approved the Confiscation Act...


52 posted on 04/19/2010 8:53:58 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Yeah!

Everyone knows it was Robert E. Lee who freed the slaves!

(Source: “Guns of the South” by Harry Turtledove)

;-)


53 posted on 04/19/2010 8:56:16 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: phoenix07
Excepting that it was Lincoln who started the war.

Who bombarded Sumter?

But never mind that, I'm fascinated by your "Jeff Davis freed the slaves" claim. Can you elaborate on that?

54 posted on 04/19/2010 8:56:34 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: SoothingDave

When the “economic heart” is based upon holding fellow human beings as chattel, then maybe that heart needed to be stripped out.

Lead by example. Remember a number of Union States held slaves (i.e., MD, MO, DE, WV, KY). Further, the war was fought “To Preserve the Union” not free the slaves. Lincoln thought he could win quick and be done with it. He was wrong. If the Union had followed its Constitution, there would have been no War. The fact was the Federal Government at the time was financed by land sales in western frontiers and tariffs. Its largest source of revenue came from tariffs on exported agricultural goods, first of which was cotton. Get your facts straight.

One eye opener, is Lincoln and Teddy are the only Republicans leftist ever liked.


55 posted on 04/19/2010 9:00:07 AM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: Non-Sequitur

Nobody ever mentions the attempt by Connecticut to secede during the war of 1812. The fact is that there have been attempts to secede almost from the very beginning and every last one has failed.


56 posted on 04/19/2010 9:04:51 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: equalitybeforethelaw
Its largest source of revenue came from tariffs on exported agricultural goods, first of which was cotton. Get your facts straight.

You might want to do the same. Tariffs are applied to imported goods, not exports. Per Article I, Section 9: "No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State."

57 posted on 04/19/2010 9:05:26 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

I wonder if these people feel the same about other presidents who have put down secessionist movements?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartford_Convention


58 posted on 04/19/2010 9:07:56 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: IntolerantOfTreason
“Dictator” might be taking it too far, but he was certainly no angel of democracy during the war of Northern Aggression.

I've always preferred the term tyrant.

Now, if the originator of this thread wanted to take the "pro" side of the "resolved" "Lincoln was a Christian," well, then, he'd really have his work cut out for him.

Caveat: I think Lincoln was one of the 2 or 3 bona fide geniuses to ever hold the office.

He was a tyrant, though....and a white supremecist.

59 posted on 04/19/2010 9:07:58 AM PDT by Gurn (Remember Mountain Meadows.)
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To: equalitybeforethelaw

“The difference is Lincoln did what he had to do and the result is he saved the nation.”

Yes but in so doing, he established precedents that subsequent presidents have used to push us closer and closer to socialism. We will never know for sure but we might well have been better off as two neighboring countries, sharing a language but little else. Similar to France and Belgium.


60 posted on 04/19/2010 9:08:16 AM PDT by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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