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Is it time for a Honduran type response to Obama? I say YES
Canada Free Press ^ | April 13, 2010 | Dr. Laurie Roth

Posted on 05/01/2010 1:33:19 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Media, US Politicians and Military leaders, it is time to stop playing around and to stand up for our law, constitution and the American people. Must we all move to Honduras to be represented and protected? It is most evident that there is a usurper in the White House and it certainly has nothing to do with his color and everything to do with what appears to be endless lies and cover up as to his birth place and past.

Obama knows that he is covering up major ‘President stopping’ stuff in his life. Why else would he spend nearly 2 million dollars in legal fees to cover all his college records, passport and birth certificate records? Something is rotten and festering and the nation knows it. HOW COME MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, MAJOR MEDIA AND OUR LEADERS DON’T KNOW IT OR WORSE, DO KNOW IT AND STILL WON’T DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT?

Remember not that long ago the world watched as then President Manual Zelaya attempted to break the law and constitution of the Honduran people, manipulating the election with massive fraud and cover up so he could stay in power. He was very good buddies with Chavez (as Obama is) who pulled the same thing and has a dictatorship of power in Venezuela. The Supreme Court and Government were 1000% right to arrest and kick him out of power immediately. He was planning to turn their thriving democracy into a dictatorship and they wouldn’t have it. My hat is off to the Honduran people!

Immediately we saw Obama and Hillary stand boldly behind Zelaya and demand his return to power. Never mind, Zelaya was completely in error and violating his people and law. It was one of the many moments of shame I have felt with our President.(continued)

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1 posted on 05/01/2010 1:33:19 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

50% of the military love Obama, the other 50% faithfully obey orders.


2 posted on 05/01/2010 1:40:05 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com << Get your science fiction and fiction test marketed)
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To: GeronL

When did you serve in uniform?


3 posted on 05/01/2010 1:41:45 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2312894/posts?page=242)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Its a place to consider. At least i know where they stand as to their constitution.


4 posted on 05/01/2010 1:42:23 PM PDT by wiggen (Government owned slave.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes! Yes! It Is Time for such a response.

I cheered the street demonstrations in Iran, Honduras and in Venezuela. Surely the U.S. Citizens are made of as strong a material and are as brave as those countries are.


5 posted on 05/01/2010 1:47:45 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Zelaya went when his own party turned on him. They were able to make it stick because his own party voted him out, and replaced him with a leading statesman of his own party.

It was very clearly not a coup d’etat, it was done very constitutionally with the Supreme Court and congress cooperating at every step. We could come to that but we aren’t there yet.


6 posted on 05/01/2010 1:50:01 PM PDT by marron
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To: GeronL

Will they kill AMERICANS who attempt to remove Obama?


7 posted on 05/01/2010 2:01:53 PM PDT by expatguy (Support "An American Expat in Southeast Asia" - DONATE)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

THe reason is clear.

Because most people still believe they are better off with things the way they are now, than if they were to do something. Until enough people feel they’re backed in a corner and have no other option left, most will just try to go along, and eventually allow themselves to get backed into that corner. At which point it may be too late.


8 posted on 05/01/2010 2:28:27 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: expatguy

Of course.


9 posted on 05/01/2010 2:28:47 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: expatguy

I dunno


10 posted on 05/01/2010 2:32:33 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com << Get your science fiction and fiction test marketed)
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To: GeronL; All
“50% of the military love Obama, the other 50% faithfully obey orders.”

Actually, I think you would find that about 25% in uniform actively support the current administration for no other reason than the president is Black (identity support). About 50% don't care one way or another and really aren't informed or aware of politics & policy per se. About 25% actively dislike the current administration for various reasons (politics, policies, patriotism, and a VERY small minority of racists), but none would ever participate in a coup....that is just unthinkable and NOT an option.

11 posted on 05/01/2010 2:45:11 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
ABSOLUELY NOT!!!!

So now we become a banana republic...we remove someone just because we suspect him of something?

Good grief...you just wanna skip the pesky judicial system?

This is insane.

12 posted on 05/01/2010 2:58:30 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Tex-Con-Man
...probably would have had more impact had I spelled "absolutely" correctly...
13 posted on 05/01/2010 3:12:21 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

14 posted on 05/01/2010 3:37:40 PM PDT by Semper Mark (Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms. - Aristotle)
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To: Tex-Con-Man

That’s not what happened in Honduras.


15 posted on 05/01/2010 4:17:51 PM PDT by TigersEye (0basma's father was a British subject. He can't be a "natural-born" citizen.)
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To: TigersEye
That’s not what happened in Honduras.

EXACTLY!

What we are going through right now is nothing like what happened in Honduras.

Zelaya was openly defying both the legislative and judicial branches and was trying to rewrite the constitution on his own.

Obama has a compliant and legally elected Congress doing whatever they want. And since there is no court cases with judgments against Obama, what is being suggested here is a good old-fashioned banana republic military coup.

I repeat myself...It is insane.

16 posted on 05/01/2010 4:38:46 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Tex-Con-Man

I see. It wasn’t clear to me that you were saying that. I thought you were implying that Honduras was a banana republic. Now that I know what you mean I agree with you.


17 posted on 05/01/2010 4:50:36 PM PDT by TigersEye (0basma's father was a British subject. He can't be a "natural-born" citizen.)
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To: Nightshift; LucyT; BP2; rxsid; null and void; Candor7

gnip


18 posted on 05/01/2010 6:55:30 PM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping List-freepmail me to be included or removed. <{{{><)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

bttt


19 posted on 05/01/2010 7:04:54 PM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping List-freepmail me to be included or removed. <{{{><)
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To: Tex-Con-Man
EXACTLY seconded.

Why are all these ardent defenders of the Constitution so fired up about a military coup? You will never get back the Constitution you had, or anything else as fundamentally free, after legitimizing that as a response. And people who think what happened in Honduras is what is happening here either don't understand what happened in Honduras, or are simply hysterical. Or both.

20 posted on 05/01/2010 7:28:55 PM PDT by tired_old_conservative
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Its not just the birth certificate, or foreign father anymore why this man needs removed from office ASAP.

He’s now committing high treason planning to release the details of the size of our nuclear arsenal.

If he were a REPUBLICAN the impeachment proceedings would have started already!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We can’t wait until November - not anymore.

Military...ARE YOU LISTENING!!!!!!!!!!!! WHERE ARE YOU?!?!?!?


21 posted on 05/01/2010 8:51:40 PM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: tired_old_conservative
And people who think what happened in Honduras is what is happening here either don't understand what happened in Honduras, or are simply hysterical. Or both.

I admit to getting hysterical. I've been hysterical ever since I read that Washington Post story this morning that Obama plans to give away the size of our nuclear arsenal. High treason and nobody doing a darn thing about it makes ME HYSTERICAL!!!!

22 posted on 05/01/2010 8:54:58 PM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: conservativegramma
You wanna get angry at someone?...blame Republicans for the mess we are in.

I was a Bush supporter, but to this day, for the life of me, cannot understand why there wasn't a much more vigorous defense by his administration against the daily attacks from the democrat party hacks.

And McCain ran possibly the worst campaign I have ever witnessed in my life. He did more to demoralize the conservative base than Axlerod could ever dream of.

And don't forget to blame all the republican voter purists who refused to vote for a RINO, stayed home, and helped elect all the down ticket democrats.

My hope, my dream is that at a minimum, in 2010, we take back one chamber so we can be in charge of all the committees and start investigating some of this crap.

I WANT RELENTLESS ANTAGONISM TOWARD THIS ADMINISTRATION FROM CONGRESS!!

23 posted on 05/01/2010 9:34:30 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Honduran military is authorized and charged to do what they did. Our Constution contains no such provision.. well maybe not. The constitution does require that:

...all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution;

The military makes a Big Deal of that oath. For most of the others, its perfunctory at best.

24 posted on 05/01/2010 9:59:56 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I'm for removing him but doing so strictly with a military coup is NOT the constitutional avenue. The Hondurans were following a constitutional ruling from their supreme court and until we get one I'm afraid we just have to keep battling the propaganda war. I repeat:

THERE IS NO CONSTITUTIONAL BASIS FOR A MILITARY COUP IN THE USA WITHOUT A CONSTITUIONAL RULING FROM THE SUPREME COURT OR LEGAL ACTION FROM THE US CONGRESS

25 posted on 05/01/2010 10:01:44 PM PDT by patlin (1st SCOTUS of USA: "Human life, from its commencement to its close, is protected by the common law.")
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To: Tex-Con-Man
we remove someone just because we suspect him of something?

Good grief...you just wanna skip the pesky judicial system?

If they take a pass, they can hardly be said to have been skipped.

The military has it's own judicial system, which ties into the "regular" system at the appeals court level. Being removed, temporarily at least, is what happens to everyone else when they are charged. Lt. Col. Larkin is a case in point. he's not seeing patients these days, is he?

In the civilian system, one may be incarcerated on charges, subject to bail. But if you are in a sensitive position, like a cop or a nurse, you'll be assigned to other duties until the case is resolved.

26 posted on 05/01/2010 10:04:52 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: patlin
THERE IS NO CONSTITUTIONAL BASIS FOR A MILITARY COUP IN THE USA WITHOUT A CONSTITUIONAL RULING FROM THE SUPREME COURT OR LEGAL ACTION FROM THE US CONGRESS

That does not say that such a case can't arise in the military justice system, does it?

27 posted on 05/01/2010 10:07:54 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: conservativegramma
“I admit to getting hysterical. I've been hysterical ever since I read that Washington Post story this morning that Obama plans to give away the size of our nuclear arsenal. High treason and nobody doing a darn thing about it makes ME HYSTERICAL!!!!”

I'm sorry, But I fail to see how cutting deployed strategic warheads the US or Russia can deploy from 2200 to 1550 leaves us defenseless or constitutes treason. That's a lot of nuclear warheads and is actually consistent with the Bush Administration's goals and actions.

28 posted on 05/02/2010 12:01:48 AM PDT by tired_old_conservative
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To: patlin

There is nothing in this world that is not subject to contradiction and dispute.


29 posted on 05/02/2010 2:31:16 AM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: Tex-Con-Man

Agree with you 100% but it doesn’t make me any less hysterical. I am furious.


30 posted on 05/02/2010 5:52:03 AM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: tired_old_conservative

If you can’t see that letting our enemies know HOW MUCH WE HAVE IN OUR ARSENAL is treason - you are as blind as a bat, and its no wonder the GOP is as bad as the Dems.

Who needs spies and intelligence services when Obama is giving it away?????


31 posted on 05/02/2010 5:59:22 AM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: conservativegramma
Agree with you 100% but it doesn’t make me any less hysterical.

Got enough good pharmaceuticals to last until November?

32 posted on 05/02/2010 6:46:04 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Tex-Con-Man

No, only pharmaceuticals I keep around are over the counter types like ibuprofen. Prayer is the best medicine for hysteria and I have an unlimited supply!


33 posted on 05/02/2010 9:43:02 AM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I say YES

I say no.

34 posted on 05/02/2010 9:46:37 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: conservativegramma
“If you can’t see that letting our enemies know HOW MUCH WE HAVE IN OUR ARSENAL is treason - you are as blind as a bat, and its no wonder the GOP is as bad as the Dems.

Who needs spies and intelligence services when Obama is giving it away?????”

Uh... They already knew that.

They've known it pretty much since the 1970s when arms control negotiations started. Representatives from the US and Russia have each visited each others sites to verify dismantlement of weapons already committed to in previous arms control treaties since at least the 1990s. I can buy publicly available textbooks that list the weapons systems of each.

Honestly, there is nothing new there. If we're going to start endorsing military coups, could we at least not do it over stuff George W. Bush was perfectly okay with. Actually, this is even stuff the military participates in and is also perfectly okay with.

35 posted on 05/02/2010 11:42:23 AM PDT by tired_old_conservative
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To: conservativegramma

Prayer is the best medicine for hysteria and I have an unlimited supply!

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From your posts on this thread, should we assume that what you have an unlimited supply of is hysteria?

Your comments seems to be made almost as though you’ve never heard of the various agreements the US has made over the past 30 some years on the size of our nuclear arsenal, which has been subject to onsite verification.

The upper limits on each kind of device are explicitly stated. LOL, they’re right here on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_START

Based on your comments, we would have needed to impeach every prez since Johnson (yes, Reagan, too) for this type of treason.


36 posted on 05/03/2010 10:44:49 AM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz
Perhaps you should read a bit more on this thread

You appear to be in the minority.

37 posted on 05/04/2010 6:50:24 AM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: dmz
CORRECTED link

Sorry.

38 posted on 05/04/2010 6:51:51 AM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The author should be very careful. This post is coming very close to sedition and treason.
39 posted on 05/04/2010 11:19:51 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: tired_old_conservative
With this thread, FR has descended into depths that I never thought possible.

This place is getting overrun by paranoid conspiracy nuts who are prepared to betray the constitution.

I am sickened. Just sickened.

40 posted on 05/04/2010 11:23:32 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: conservativegramma

He’s not in the minority of anyone who actually knows anything about the topic.


41 posted on 05/04/2010 11:43:50 AM PDT by tired_old_conservative
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To: curiosity

“With this thread, FR has descended into depths that I never thought possible.

This place is getting overrun by paranoid conspiracy nuts who are prepared to betray the constitution.

I am sickened. Just sickened.”

Well, if there’s any saving grace, it’s that it hasn’t gotten much in the way of responses. I agree that to be signing up for a military coup to save the Constitution is pretty much missing the point spectacularly.

The other side does get to win elections. Elections have consequences. Deal with it and try to win the next.


42 posted on 05/04/2010 11:46:33 AM PDT by tired_old_conservative
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To: curiosity

Why don’t you turn her in as a seditious birther? Maybe they’ll wait ‘til last to stand you up against the wall or cancel your healthcare.


43 posted on 05/04/2010 1:12:36 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2312894/posts?page=242)
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To: tired_old_conservative
He’s not in the minority of anyone who actually knows anything about the topic cares about the constitution and loves liberty.

That's better. No doubt in my mind that those 'who actually know anything about this topic' hate this country and can't wait to see it destroyed. And that includes big RINO statists and CINO's.

44 posted on 05/04/2010 2:19:16 PM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: conservativegramma
“That's better. No doubt in my mind that those ‘who actually know anything about this topic’ hate this country and can't wait to see it destroyed. And that includes big RINO statists and CINO’s.”

No, in the minds of anyone who has ever read much of anything about the US nuclear stockpile. The numbers and delivery vehicles are not news. This is simply a pro forma acknowledgment of that fact.

Don't we have enough real problems with Obama to stop dreaming up imaginary ones that simply make us look uninformed. Quite frankly, if we think this issue is worth a military coup, then we are rightly cranks who shouldn't be taken seriously.

Maybe there's a saying in that somewhere: “Professed love for the constitution and liberty is the last refuge of the crank.”

45 posted on 05/04/2010 6:05:19 PM PDT by tired_old_conservative
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; curiosity
“Why don’t you turn her in as a seditious birther? Maybe they’ll wait ‘til last to stand you up against the wall or cancel your healthcare.”

Because birthers are a joke no one in any position of authority gives a flying flip about, their pretensions of grandeur notwithstanding.

Honestly, get a grip.

46 posted on 05/04/2010 6:07:51 PM PDT by tired_old_conservative
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To: tired_old_conservative

No, actually what this issue does is reveal who the fake conservatives are.

You are absolutely out to lunch on this one, fake conservatives like you are more frightening than Obama is. That you would actually defend revealing our national security interests is appalling.

God help us. When the mushroom cloud starts rising over American cities, at least I’ll die with a clear conscience. You not so much.


47 posted on 05/04/2010 6:41:22 PM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: conservativegramma
For heaven's sake, read the article in your own link.

“The Pentagon said the stockpile of 5,113 as of September 2009 represents a 75 percent reduction since 1989.

A rough count of deployed and reserve warheads has been known for years, so the Pentagon figures do not tell nuclear experts much they don't already know.

Hans Kristensen, director of Nuclear Information Project, Federation of American Scientists in Washington, said his organization had already put the number at around 5,100 by reviewing budget estimates and other documents...

A senior defense official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the overall total is still classified, did not dispute the rough estimates developed by independent analysts.”

God help us, indeed. The Obama administration formally acknowledged what everyone already knew. Anyone whose fevered imagination thinks this can lead to mushroom clouds going off over USA cities is simply announcing they don't have the slightest idea what they are talking about. There's no information in any of that which can lead to the disabling of a single US nuclear warhead, let alone invite some attack that is invulnerable to the overwhelming response capability we have. if you think otherwise, you are delusional.

48 posted on 05/04/2010 7:49:57 PM PDT by tired_old_conservative
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To: tired_old_conservative
"Because birthers are a joke no one in any position of authority gives a flying flip about, their pretensions of grandeur notwithstanding.

Honestly, get a grip."

tired_old_conservative Since Oct 3, 2009

Boy, what a surprise!!
How's the weather in Chicago? LOL

49 posted on 05/04/2010 8:21:22 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2312894/posts?page=242)
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To: patlin

or States.


50 posted on 05/04/2010 9:23:43 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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