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Research - Vattel & the meaning of the Constitutional term "Natural Born Citizen"
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Posted on 05/12/2010 12:36:53 PM PDT by rxsid

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To: bushpilot1
Two centuries' growth of American law, 1701-1901, Volume 1
Author Yale Law School
Publisher Scribner, 1901

"When our government took its place among nations, its statesmen were guided by the treatises of Grotius, Barbeyrac, Puffendorf, Bynkershoek, above all, Vattel. 1 Vattel was used 1792-1795 by President Stiles at Yale for instruction." Pg. 516.

"In WILLIAM AND MARY COLLEGE, President Lyon G Tyler states that the Law of Nations was taught first by the Professor of Moral Philosophy in 1779, and continuously since the text book being Vattel until 1861. This seems to have been at Jefferson's suggestion." Pg. 518

101 posted on 05/18/2010 12:36:25 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Spaulding
British common law is law by and for an oligarchy, changed at the will of the crown and privy council. England has no written constitution unless you count the Magna Carta, which most English ignored for five hundred years. The meaning of natural born subject was of particular interest because it defined legal heirs. Changes in the definition usually followed the birth overseas of someone with royal blood. The idea of a Constitutional government was described by Vattel.

Wow. What an amazing distortion of common law and Vattel.

Common law was not subject to change at the whim of the crown, nor was it particularly oligarchical, except as all society was oligarchical at the time. Common law was case law growing out of centuries of judicial decisions. It was remarkably resistant to monarchical tampering. Much of it went to back to medieval and even Anglo-Saxon times and incorporated the ancient customs of the people, not the aristocracy.

Vattel, OTOH, was a Swiss attorney writing theory based on civil law. Civil law was based not in oligarchy but in autocracy, on the law of the Roman Empire which was indeed subject to change at the whim of absolute monarchs.

Portraying Blackstone and common law as aristocratic/autocratic and Vattel and civil law as democratic exactly reverses the true relationship, although admittedly such issues are not as cleancut as my oversimplified description here.

102 posted on 05/18/2010 7:26:06 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (When buying and selling are legislated, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators.)
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To: rxsid
Vattel become increasingly more popular in the American colonies after 1775, when Dumas sent (English language) copies of Law of Nations to Benjamin Franklin who stated "It came to us in good season, when the circumstances of a rising State make it necessary frequently to consult the Law of Nations."

Actually I think they were French language versions. Dumas was the editor of one such.

See Publications of the Colonial Society of Massachusetts, Volume 20 :

103 posted on 05/18/2010 7:41:37 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: The Pack Knight
As far as I can tell, the only prominent source of the phrase "natural-born" in relation to citizenship that existed at the time John Jay wrote his letter was Blackstone's.

I guess that depends on what one means by "prominent", but the phrase "natural born free citizen" appears in the Journal of Congress for 11 Nov 1777.

And for the more certain preservation of friendship and mutual intercourse between the people of the different States in this Union, the Citizens of every State, going to reside in another State, Shall be entitled to all the rights and privileges of the natural born free Citizens of the State to which they go to reside;

Also in 1777, as reported in The POLITICAL TEXTBOOK or ENCYCLOPEDIA, CONTAINING EVERYTHING NECESSARY FOR THE REFERENCE OF THE POLITICIANS AND STATESMEN OF THE UNITED STATES.(1857)

.. the first evidence to which I will refer on this point is a resolution reported to the Continental Congress in 1777, by a committee, of which Thomas Jefferson was chairman, and Mr. Sherman, Mr. Gerry, Mr. Read, and Mr. Williams were members. It is in these words:—

" Resolved, That it is inconsistent with the interests of the United States to appoint any person not a thereof to the office of minister, charg6 d'affaires, consul, or vice-consul, or to any other civil department in a foreign country; and that a copy of this resolve be sent to Messrs. Adams, Franklin and Jay, ministers of the said States in Europe."

Besides, Blackstone was no more prominent than Vattel, and was less quoted or referance by the founders. Yes, the Vattel they were familiar with was in French, but then again, most of them could read and speak that language.

104 posted on 05/18/2010 8:39:14 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: The Pack Knight
There was the English common law definition

Of natural born subject. While Vattel was definitely writing of citoyens/citizens.

105 posted on 05/18/2010 8:50:16 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
Of natural born subject. While Vattel was definitely writing of citoyens/citizens.

Unfortunately for your theory, when Vattel wrote there were almost no citizens (in the Republican sense you mean) in Europe. Almost all Europeans were the subjects of kings far more absolute than the kings of England.

Use of the term citizen in the sense you mean developed during the French Revolution. Vattel had been dead for a long time by then.

106 posted on 05/19/2010 6:22:26 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (When buying and selling are legislated, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators.)
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To: Sherman Logan
Unfortunately for your theory, when Vattel wrote there were almost no citizens (in the Republican sense you mean) in Europe. Almost all Europeans were the subjects of kings far more absolute than the kings of England.

So now citizen doesn't mean citizen?

So what did it mean?

Citizens obviously did not have same sorts of rights as modern ones do, but they were still different from subjects, who owed personal and permanent (in theory) feality to the monarch.

107 posted on 05/19/2010 11:22:57 AM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Sherman Logan; El Gato
"Of natural born subject. While Vattel was definitely writing of citoyens/citizens.

Unfortunately for your theory, when Vattel wrote there were almost no citizens (in the Republican sense you mean) in Europe. Almost all Europeans were the subjects of kings far more absolute than the kings of England.

Use of the term citizen in the sense you mean developed during the French Revolution. Vattel had been dead for a long time by then.

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I believe Vattel was describing concepts of natural law as he saw it, and not a particular government or society found exclusively in Europe at the time in which he lived. His work built upon previous writers of natural law...going all the way back to the ancient Greeks whose citizens had a legal right to participate in the affairs of the state.

108 posted on 05/19/2010 11:46:13 AM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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A transaction of free men: the birth and course of the Declaration of Independence
Author David Freeman Hawke
Publisher Da Capo Press, 1989
ISBN 0306803526, 9780306803529

Jefferson left William and Mary in 1762, but remained a law student of George Wythe. Jefferson read "Ethics, religion, natural and sectarian, and natural law for the next fours years (1762-1766). Pg. 36/37.

His (Jefferson) legal notebook - Commonplace Book he called it - is crammed with extracts from his reading. Lord Kames's Historical Law Tracts, a book which among other things applied natural law to the legal profession, made a deep impression, to judge by the number of entries. Pg. 43.

 

The United States of America, 1765-1865 (1930)
Author Edward Channing
ISBN 0543977420, 9780543977427

describing the Court of Inquiry [regarding Benedict Arnold], Lord Mahon stigmatized Nathaneal Green [who presided over the court] as ignorant to Vattel and Puffendorf, and as having "no light of study." As a matter of fact, there was no man in America who probably knew more about the usages of war than Nathaneal Greene. Vattel was a book much read by the American leaders of that time."

109 posted on 05/19/2010 12:19:25 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid

Hey, I’m not the one drawing a legalistic distinction between the idea of subject and citizen.

The concepts in common law that applied to subjects were transferred to the United States legal system under the term citizens, since our country has no subjects.

The idea that there is a distinction is due to a ludicrous claim that all common law references to subjects and their allegiance are not transferrable to the United States, since we don’t have subjects.


110 posted on 05/19/2010 12:22:09 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (When buying and selling are legislated, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Hey, I’m not the one saying that a subject who owes allegiance to a person is identical to a citizen of a Constitutional Republic. If they aren’t identical in meaning, then the framers would not have “transferred” the definition from one term to that of another that shares only 66% of the same words.


111 posted on 05/19/2010 12:35:02 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Sherman Logan

Subjects were held to be in perpetual allegiance to the English monarchy.

Expatriation was and is a right that was given an extraordinary amount of consideration by our Founders.

Subjects could not renounce their allegiance, therefore expatriation was not possible. Once a subject of the King of England, always a subject of the king of England, no matter where.

Our Founders did in fact renounce their allegiance and were met with war because of the dispute over it, not once but twice.

The meaning of natural-born citizen and natural born subject do not equate, not then, certainly not to our Founders who were for the most part considered natural born subjects and were under the threat of imprisonment or death for challenging it, and not now.

The treatise that spells out legalities as far as citizenship under a constitutional republic was by all accounts quite popular with those same Founders. Lo and behold, it contains a definition of natural-born citizenship that has been cited nearly word for word by numerous Supreme Court justices and several prominent members of Congress when proposing Amendments dealing with citizenship.

Oddly, this definition is rejected by some, in favor of a term pertaining to a feudal relationship to a sovereign monarch, the very same monarch explicitly rejected by those Founders.

Strange.


112 posted on 05/19/2010 12:53:22 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: bushpilot1; Spaulding; BP2
Vattel's Law of Nations (London, 1760 version) found in 1811 Salem Library catalog. Pages 66, 72 and 89.

Catalogue of the library of the Athenaeum, in Salem, Massachusetts: with the by-laws and regulations
Author: Salem Athenaeum
Publisher: Printed at the office of the Gazette, 1811.

113 posted on 05/19/2010 12:54:04 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Sherman Logan
Use of the term citizen in the sense you mean developed during the French Revolution. Vattel had been dead for a long time by then.

Where did the Statue of Liberty come from and why, Sherman Logan?

114 posted on 05/19/2010 1:10:57 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Spaulding; BP2; El Gato; bushpilot1; Red Steel; LucyT; STARWISE; pissant; Fred Nerks; ...
John Jay's home library contained Vattel.

The homes of America
Editor: Martha Joanna Lamb
Publisher: D. Appleton and company, 1879
Original from the University of Wisconsin - Madison

"One division [Of the library in the "Bedford House" of the 1st Chief Justice John Jay] contains the favorite authors of the Chief Justice, weighty folios of Grotius, Puffendorf, Vattel and other masters of the science of international law, standard theological and miscellaneous works and the classic authors of antiquity. Pg. 108.

115 posted on 05/19/2010 2:46:00 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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Beyond the Revolution: A History of American Thought from Paine to Pragmatism
Author: William H. Goetzmann
Publisher: PublicAffairs, 2009
ISBN: 0465004954, 9780465004959

"The Baron von Pufendorf's work, along with that of Locke, convinced Americans of the validity of natural law as early as 1717, when John Wise cited him as a primary authority." Pg. 31

"American legal thought, as it had done for more than one hundred years [from 1789], drew upon world legal thought--from Justinian, Samuel Pufendorf, Hugo Grotius, and Emmerich Vattel--as well as the English tradition from Sir Edward Coke and Edward Vaughn to Blackstone. As the Pennsylvania Law Journal of 1846 put it, Americans had none of "that prejudice against foreign systems of law, merely because they are foreign, which is all-powerful in England." Pg. 87

116 posted on 05/19/2010 2:47:34 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Kleon

It does but not for the Presidency. The President must be born here of parents both of whom were also born here.


117 posted on 05/19/2010 3:27:41 PM PDT by rodguy911 ( Sarah 2012!!! Home of the free because of the brave.)
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To: rxsid
You have presented a convincing thread that summed up basically says;

The founders were adamant and even underlined certain words that for the purpose of serving as President of the U.S. one must be born here in the US of parents who also were born here.

The new country America, was fresh from being ruled by a king of England and the last thing they would have wanted was parents of a potential potus who were not born in the U.S. and had other or dual citizenship. They made that plain and clear over and over.

Anyone who read your intro and then the first 7 posts will have a hard time arguing differently.

Since we are not allowed to view zeros long form we don't know if obama SR. is the true father or who the true mother is either.

He may well have been born of US parents for all we know. If so he lied to get into office making his Presidency even more null and void no matter what.

Your early documentation from Jay's writing to George Washington:

Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and reasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of foreigners into the administration of our national govt. and to "declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born citizen.(the word born is underlined in Jay's letter which signifies the importance of allegiance from birth.)

Is it a stretch to infer that Jay meant that both parents should be of U.S. birth as well, considering the times, and our newly formed govt. giving us independence from Eng? Not hardly.

In the New Englander:

the term natural born citizen is used and excludes all persons owing allegiance by birth to foreign states.

This says it all. Intent was to have a potus of whom both parents were born "here".

John Bingham--who was the father of the 14th amendment:

Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the US of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is in the language of your constitution itself a natural born citizen.

Once again we have intent. Parents must be born here--how much does it take?

I love you summation as well;

The point is...the meaning of NBC has always been about being born in the sovereign territory of the US to 2 citizen parents(and those parents who do not owe allegiance to another foreign country.

Brilliant job rxsid!

IMHO to ignore the intent of a newly formed govt. that was seeking independence from a king, not to infer that both parents should be born here is naive and erroneous.

118 posted on 05/19/2010 4:29:37 PM PDT by rodguy911 ( Sarah 2012!!! Home of the free because of the brave.)
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To: rxsid; BP2; El Gato; patlin; Red Steel

http://books.google.com.ph/books?id=kGg8AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA441&dq=Reports+Edward+III&hl=en&ei=S470S_aQDI65rAe-n6ioDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=language&f=false

Language.


119 posted on 05/19/2010 6:28:36 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: rodguy911
The founders were adamant and even underlined certain words that for the purpose of serving as President of the U.S. one must be born here in the US of parents who also were born here.

The parents need only be citizens. They generally were born here, but they could just as well be naturalized, as long as it was before their child was born.

120 posted on 05/19/2010 7:42:19 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Okay, I’ll bite.

The French people raised the money for the statue itself through private donations. It was called “Liberty Enlightening the World.” The Emma Lazarus poem has completely changed the meaning of the statue for most people from the original intent.

What’s your point?

I fail to see how the SOL of 1876 has much relevance to the 1780s.


121 posted on 05/19/2010 8:15:26 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (When buying and selling are legislated, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators.)
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To: Sherman Logan
The French people raised the money for the statue itself through private donations. It was called “Liberty Enlightening the World.” The Emma Lazarus poem has completely changed the meaning of the statue for most people from the original intent.

Why were the people of France so compelled by the concept of Liberty, to have commissioned that gigantic statute as a gift to the United States? What debt of gratitude did the people of France feel they owed us?

Remember, the comment of yours that prompted my reply dealt with Emerich de Vattel and the French Revolution.

122 posted on 05/19/2010 8:20:37 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry
The treatise that spells out legalities as far as citizenship under a constitutional republic was by all accounts quite popular with those same Founders.

And which treatise might that be? Certainly couldn't be Law of Nations, since there was no constitutional republic on the planet when Vattel died.

The US created the very first written constitution and therefore the first constitutional republic.

Vattel was writing for a European audience. The British government of the time, for all its flaws, was more free than any European government with the arguable exception of some of the Swiss cantons and the Netherlands. Or perhaps Poland, if you were an aristocrat. Of course, the Polish aristocrats were at the time in the process of destroying their nation with that freedom.

123 posted on 05/19/2010 8:27:27 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (When buying and selling are legislated, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

The United States was the result of the first successful revolution against the monarchical/aristocratic Old Regime that ruled most of the world.

The French apparently felt they owed a debt to Americans as their revolution was in some sense a followup to ours. Although theirs, IMO, went wildly off the tracks due to it being based on a completely different philosophical basis from ours.

I realize you think you’re leading me into a logical trap with these questions, but I really wish you’d jump ahead to the gotcha, as I have other things to do.


124 posted on 05/19/2010 9:11:15 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (When buying and selling are legislated, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators.)
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To: rxsid
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125 posted on 05/19/2010 10:56:34 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1

http://research.history.org/DigitalLibrary/VirginiaGazette/VGImagePopup.cfm?ID=3851&Res=HI&CFID=6242639&CFTOKEN=35463770


126 posted on 05/19/2010 10:57:58 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: rxsid; El Gato; Red Steel; BP2

Some account of the life, writings, and speeches of William Pinkney

http://books.google.com.ph/books?id=OnFKAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Wheaton&as_brr=1&client=firefox-a&hl=en&cd=2#v=onepage&q=Law%20of%20Nations&f=false

Lots of Vattel and Law of Nations.Chap 212 discussed.


127 posted on 05/19/2010 11:54:59 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: rxsid

Elements of international law: with a sketch of the history of the science
By Henry Wheaton

http://books.google.com.ph/books?id=umued5KGUSAC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Wheaton&as_brr=1&client=firefox-a&hl=en&cd=3#v=snippet&q=%20native%20born&f=false


128 posted on 05/20/2010 12:06:44 AM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: rxsid

History of the law of nations in Europe and America: from the earliest times ...
By Henry Wheaton

http://books.google.com.ph/books?id=lqgBAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=related:HARVARD32044011218310&as_brr=1&client=firefox-a&hl=en#v=snippet&q=citizen&f=false


129 posted on 05/20/2010 12:15:21 AM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: Sherman Logan
Vattel advocated a constitution, the legislature and the independent judiciary in Law Of Nations, Sherman. He laid out the groundwork for a constitutional republic, and the United States is a constitutional republic. The lack of such in Europe at that time, particularly in the three hundred or so states of "Germany" is a topic upon which Vattel spcifically commented. You really should attempt to understand the work you're dismissing.
130 posted on 05/20/2010 3:46:12 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Sherman Logan
I realize you think you’re leading me into a logical trap with these questions, but I really wish you’d jump ahead to the gotcha, as I have other things to do.

Run along, then, I certainly don't want to detain you from Very Important Things, lol.

131 posted on 05/20/2010 3:47:35 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: rxsid

1773 Vattel French Edition

http://books.google.com.ph/books?id=8Ns_AAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&hl=en#v=onepage&q=Les%20citoyens%20naturels&f=false


132 posted on 05/20/2010 5:34:42 AM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: rxsid

1773 Vattel French Edition

http://books.google.com.ph/books?id=8Ns_AAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&hl=en#v=onepage&q=Les%20citoyens%20naturels&f=false


133 posted on 05/20/2010 5:46:20 AM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: rxsid

http://books.google.com.ph/books?id=96IGBwarCGsC&pg=RA1-PA286&dq=Principles+of+the+Law+of+Nature,+applied+to+the+Conduct+and+Affairs+of+nations+and+sovereigns+%281760%29+Vattel&hl=en&ei=fS71S_eWNcHGrAf135G4Cg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CEwQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=Principles%20of%20the%20Law%20of%20Nature%2C%20applied%20to%20the%20Conduct%20and%20Affairs%20of%20nations%20and%20sovereigns%20%281760%29%20Vattel&f=false


134 posted on 05/20/2010 5:47:21 AM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: RegulatorCountry; rxsid; El Gato; Red Steel; BP2

http://books.google.com.ph/books?id=3rEwG7Gd53wC&pg=PA104&dq=Principles+of+the+Law+of+Nature,+applied+to+the+Conduct+and+Affairs+of+nations+and+sovereigns+%281760%29+Vattel&hl=en&ei=EzD1S4yDLIK-rAf26aTiCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CEsQ6AEwCDgK#v=onepage&q&f=false

A 1760 Review of the 1760 English Edition Vattel..The Monthly review, Volume 23

By Ralph Griffiths


135 posted on 05/20/2010 6:02:45 AM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: Spaulding
By ignoring his ineligibility we are invalidating the protections guaranteed by the Declaration and the Constitution.

Outstanding post!

136 posted on 05/20/2010 8:23:47 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: El Gato; rxsid; BP2; Spaulding
You guys do some simply amazing work.

I'd give anything to see anyone of you on a major news show debating this topic....you would put the “professionals” to absolute shame.

137 posted on 05/20/2010 8:37:46 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: Uncle Chip

I meant to include you in this post too!

See #137


138 posted on 05/20/2010 8:39:07 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: Sherman Logan
The US created the very first written constitution and therefore the first constitutional republic

We had a written constitution, before the Constitution was written. But there are plenty of written constitutions which greatly predate the US, or even the settlement of the Americas.

For example, the Swiss Federal Charter of 1291 which was admittedly only of 3 cantons, but it grew, eventually becoming modern Switzerland.

139 posted on 05/20/2010 8:40:31 AM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: rxsid; bushpilot1; All

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Quintilianus, Institutio Oratoria,
Book 1, Chapter VIII, translation by Patsall (1774).

There have been at least five different English translations of this work and this sentence.
The first was by Guthrie in 1756. Since then, there have been translations by Patsall in 1774 (ABOVE).

140 posted on 05/20/2010 9:09:08 AM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: El Gato
To be clear, the intent of the our founders was not for what we have today. Someone whose father was born in kenya and is a citizen of the British crown.
141 posted on 05/20/2010 10:29:18 AM PDT by rodguy911 ( Sarah 2012!!! Home of the free because of the brave.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Ditto that for me that is what is going on here.


142 posted on 05/20/2010 10:32:27 AM PDT by rodguy911 ( Sarah 2012!!! Home of the free because of the brave.)
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To: bushpilot1

Post 134 links to A. Hamilton. The author states Hamilton used the 1760 Vattel


143 posted on 05/20/2010 12:36:26 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1; Spaulding; BP2; El Gato; Red Steel; LucyT; STARWISE; pissant; Fred Nerks; ...
The following gentlemen were involved with the Federal Constitution in some capacity, in the beginning. We know some of them wrote about their experiences as they, and they're writings are well known.

Others are not as well known, but may have written about their experience and may have discussed the term "Natural Born Citizen" and/or Vattel as they were either involved with the Federal Convention, and/or the several state's conventions convened to discuss and ultimately ratify the U.S. Constitution.

They're wives or other family members may also be potential sources if they wrote about their discussions and experiences with these men, related to this issue.

 

Attendee's of the Federal Convention
Also known as the "Constitutional Convention", the "Philadelphia Convention" and the "Grand Convention at Philadelphia" from May 25th to September 17, 1787 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania:

Connecticut
William. Samuel Johnson
Roger Sherman
Oliver Ellsworth (Elsworth)*

Georgia
William Few
Abraham Baldwin
William Houston*
William L. Pierce*

Massachusetts
Nathaniel Gorham
Rufus King
Elbridge Gerry*
Caleb Strong*

New Jersey
William Livingston
David Brearly (Brearley)
William Paterson (Patterson)
Jonathan Dayton
William C. Houston*

North Carolina
William. Blount
Richard. Dobbs Spaight
Hugh Williamson
William R. Davie*
Alexander Martin*

South Carolina
John Rutledge
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney
Charles Pinckney
Pierce Butler

Virginia
John Blair
James Madison Jr.
George Washington
George Mason*
James McClurg*
Edmund J. Randolph*
George Wythe*

Delaware
George Read
Gunning Bedford, Jr.
John Dickinson
Richard Bassett
Jacob Broom

Maryland
James McHenry
Daniel of St. Thomas Jenifer
Daniel Carroll
Luther Martin*
John F. Mercer*

New Hampshire
John Langdon
Nicholas Gilman

New York
Alexander Hamilton
John Lansing, Jr.*
Robert Yates*

Pennsylvania
Benjamin Franklin
Thomas Mifflin
Robert Morris
George Clymer
Thomas Fitzsimons (FitzSimons; Fitzsimmons)
Jared Ingersoll
James Wilson
Gouverneur Morris

Rhode Island
Rhode Island did not send any delegates to the Constitutional Convention.

For brief biographies of each of the Founding Fathers who were delegates to the Constitutional Convention, select the names or the states above (clickable links on the source site).
(* indicates delegates who did not sign the Constitution)

 

Attendee's of the conventions of the several states on the ratification of the Federal Constitution.

The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution [Elliot's Debates Vol. 1]

Note: The number preceding the state is how the entry is found in Elliot's Debates and NOT necessarily the date order in which the state ratified the Federal Constitution.

If a county was listed in the source, it's generally underlined. Additional sources were used as some of the state conventions attendee's were not listed in Elliot's Debates. A few additional notes were included if readily available from the source.

1. DELAWARE
December 7, 1787.

Sussex County.
* John Ingram,
* John Jones,
* William Moore,
* William Hall,
* Thomas Laws,
* Isaac Cooper,
* Woodman Storkley,
* John Laws,
* Thomas Evans,
* Israel Holland.
Kent County.
* Nicholas Ridgely,
* Richard Smith,
* George Fruitt,
* Richard Bassett,
* James Sykes,
* Allen M'Lean,
* Daniel Cummins, Sen.
* Joseph Barker,
* Edward White,
* George Manlove.
Newcastle County.
* James Latimer, President,
* James Black,
* John James,
* Gunning Bedford, Sen.
* Kensey Johns,
* Thomas Watson,
* Solomon Maxwell,
* Nicholas Way,
* Thomas Duff,
* Gunning Bedford, Jun.

2. PENNSYLVANIA
December 12, 1787.

FREDERICK A. MUHLENBERG, President.
* George Latimer,
* Benjamin Rush,
* Hilary Baker,
* James Wilson,
* Thomas M'Kean,
* To. Macpherson,
* John Hunn,
* George Gray,
* Samuel Ashmead,
* Enoch Edwards,
* Henry Wynkoop,
* John Barclay,
* Thomas Yardley,
* Abraham Stout,
* Thomas Bull,
* Anthony Wayne,
* William Gibbons,
* Richard Downing,
* Thomas Cheney,
* John Hannum,
* Stephen Chambers,
* Robert Coleman,
* Sebastian Graff,
* John Hubley,
* Jasper Yeates,
* Henry Slagle,
* Thomas Campbell,
* Thomas Hartley,
* David Grier,
* John Black,
* Benjamin Pedan,
* John Arndt,
* Stephen Balliat,
* Joseph Horsefield,
* David Dashler,
* William Wilson,
* John Boyd,
* Thomas Scott,
* John Nevill,
* John Allison,
* Jonathan Roberts,
* John Richards,
* James Morris,
* Timothy Pickering,
* Benjamin Elliot.
Attest. James Campbell, Secretary.

3. NEW JERSEY
December 18, 1787.

JOHN STEVENS, President, and delegate from the county of Hunterdon.
County of Cape May,
* Jesse Hand,
* Jeremiah Eldridge,
* Matthew Willdin.
Hunterdon,
* David Brearly,
* Joshua Corshon.
Morris,
* William Windes,
* William Woodhull,
* John Jacob Faesch.
Cumberland,
* David Potter,
* Jonathan Bowen,
* Eli Elmer.
Sussex,
* Robert Ogden,
* Thomas Anderson,
* Robert Hoops.
Bergen,
* John Fell,
* Peter Zobriskie,
* Cornelius Hennion.
Essex,
* John Chetwood,
* Samuel Hay,
* David Crane.
Middlesex,
* John Neilson,
* John Beatty,
* Benjamin Manning.
Monmouth,
* Elisha Lawrence,
* Samuel Breese,
* William Crawford.
Somerset,
* John Witherspoon,
* Jacob R. Hardenberg,
* Frederick Frelinghuysen.
Burlington,
* Thomas Reynolds,
* Geo. Anderson,
* Joshua M. Wallace.
Gloucester,
* Richard Howell,
* Andrew Hunter,
* Benjamin Whitall.
Salem,
* Whitten Cripps,
* Edmund Wetherby.
Attest. Samuel W. Stockton, Secretary.

4. CONNECTICUT
January 9, 1788.

MATTHEW GRISWOLD, President.
* Jeremiah Wadsworth,
* Jesse Root,
* Isaac Lee,
* Selah Hart,
* Zebulon Peck, Jun.,
* Elisha Pitkin,
* Erastur Wolcott,
* John Watson,
* John Treadwell,
* William Judd,
* Nathaniel Minor,
* Jonathan Sturges,
* Thaddeus Burr,
* Elisha Whittlesey,
* Joseph Moss White,
* Amos Mead,
* Jabez Fitch,
* Nehemiah Beardsley,
* James Potter,
* John Chandler,
* Issac Burnham,
* John Wilder,
* Mark Prindle,
* Jedediah Hubbel,
* Aaron Austin,
* Samuel Canfield,
* Daniel Everitt,
* Hezekiah Fitch,
* Joshua Porter,
* Benjamin Hinma,
* Joseph Mosely,
* Wait Goodrich,
* John Curtiss,
* Asa Barns,
* Stephen Mix Mitchell,
* John Chester,
* Oliver Ellsworth,
* Roger Newberry,
* Roger Sherman,
* Pierpont Edwards,
* Samuel Beach,
* Daniel Holbrook,
* John Holbrook,
* Gideon Buckingham,
* Lewis Mallet, Jun.
* Joseph Hopkins,
* John Welton,
* Richard Law,
* Amasa Learned,
* Samuel Huntington,
* Jedediah Huntington,
* Isaac Huntington,
* Robert Robbins,
* Daniel Foot,
* Eli Hyde,
* Joseph Woodbridge,
* Stephen Billings,
* Andrew Lee,
* William Noyes,
* Joshua Raymond, Jun.,
* Jeremiah Halsey,
* Wheeler Coit,
* Charles Phelps,
* John Beach,
* Hezekiah Rogers,
* Lemuel Sandford,
* William Heron,
* Philip Burr Bradley,
* Nathan Danchy,
* James Davenport,
* John Davenport, Jun.,
* Wm. Samuel Johnson,
* Elisha Mills,
* Eliphalet Dyer,
* Jedediah Elderkin,
* Simeon Smith,
* Hendrick Dow,
* Seth Paine,
* Asa Witter,
* Moses Cleveland,
* Samson Howe,
* William Danielson,
* William Williams,
* James Bradford,
* Joshua Dunlap,
* Daniel Learned,
* Moses Campbell,
* Benjamin Dow,
* Oliver Wolcott,
* Jedediah Strong,
* Moses Hawley,
* Charles Burrall,
* Nathan Hale,
* Daniel Miles,
* Asaph Hall,
* Epaphras Sheldon,
* Eleazer Curtiss,
* John Whittlesey,
* Dan. Nath. Brinsmade,
* Thomas Fenn,
* David Smith,
* Robert M'Cune,
* Daniel Sherman,
* Samuel Orton,
* Asher Miller,
* Samuel H. Parsons,
* Ebenezer White,
* Hezekiah Goodrich,
* Dyer Throop,
* Jabez Chapman,
* Cornelius Higgins,
* Hezekiah Brainard,
* Theophilus Morgan,
* Hezekiah Lane,
* William Hart,
* Samuel Shipman,
* Jeremiah West,
* Samuel Chapman,
* Ichabod Warner,
* Samuel Carver,
* Jeremiah Ripley,
* Ephraim Root,
* John Phelps,
* Isaac Foot,
* Abijah Sessions,
* Caleb Holt,
* Seth Crocker.

5. COMMONWEALTH OF MASSACHUSETTS
February 6, 1788.

JOHN HANCOCK, President.
WILLIAM CUSHING, Vice-President.
George Richards Minot, Secretary.

The following, were in committe as well, found in the book: Debates and proceedings in the Convention of the commonwealth of Massachusetts, held in the year 1788, and which finally ratified the Constitution of the United States. Printed by authority of Resolves of the legislature, 1856
Authors: Massachusetts. Convention, Bradford Kinney Peirce, Massachusetts. General Court. Committee on the Library
Publisher: W. White, printer to the commonwealth, 1856

YEAS -- 187

His Excellency John Hancock, Esq.
Hon. James Bowdoin, Esq.
Hon. Samuel Adams, Esq.
Hon. William Phillips, Esq.
Hon. Caleb Davis, Esq.
Charles Jarvis, Esq.
John Coffin Jones, Esq.
John Winthrop, Esq.
Thomas Dawes, Jr., Esq.
Rev. Samuel Stillman.
Thomas Russell, Esq.
Christopher Gore, Esq.
Hon. William Heath, Esq.
Hon. Increase Sumner, Esq.
James Bowdoin, Jr., Esq.
Ebenezer Wales, Esq.
Rev. Nathaniel Robbins.
Hon. Richard Cranch, Esq.
Rev. Anthony Wibird.
Hon. Cotton Tufts, Esq.
Hon. Benjamin Lincoln, Esq.
Rev. Daniel Shute.
Rev. Joseph Jackson.
Rev. Thomas Thacher.
Fisher Ames, Esq.
Col. William Mcintosh.
Capt. John Baxter, Jr.
Hon. Elijah Dunbar, Esq.
Mr. Thomas Mann.
Mr. George Payson.
Hon. Jabez Fisher, Esq.
Mr. Thomas Jones.
Rev. Phillips Payson.
Mr. Ebenezer Warren.
Richard Manning, Esq.
Edward Pulling, Esq.
Mr. William Gray, Jr.
Mr. Francis Cabot.
Hon. Michael. Farley, Esq.
John Choate, Esq.
Daniel Noyes, Esq.
Col. Jonathan Cogswell.
Hon. Tristram Dalton, Esq.
Enoch Sawyer, Esq.
Ebenezer March, Esq.
Hon. Rufus King, Esq.
Hon. Benjamin Greenleaf, Esq.
Theophilus Parsons, Esq
. Hon. Jonathan Titcomb, Esq.
Hon. George Cabot, Esq.
Mr. Joseph Wood.
Capt. Israel Thorndike.
Isaac Mansfield, Esq.
Jonathan Glover, Esq.
Hon. Azor Orne, Esq.
John Glover, Esq.
Daniel Rogers, Esq.
John Low, Esq.
Capt. William Pearson.
John Carnes, Esq.
Capt. John Burnham.
Mr. William Symmes, Jr.
Bailey Bartlett, Esq.
Capt. Nathaniel Marsh.
Mr. Israel Clark.
Dr. Samuel Nye.
Mr. Enoch Jackman.
Capt. Benjamin Lurvey.
Mr. Willis Patten.
Daniel Thurston, Esq.
Mr. Jacob Herrick.
Mr. Simeon Miller.
Hon. Francis Dana, Esq.
Stephen Dana, Esq.
Hon. Nathaniel Gorham, Esq.
Hon. Joseph Hosmer, Esq.
Hon. Abraham Fuller, Esq.
Capt. Lawson Buckminster.
Benjamin Brown, Esq.
Daniel Whitney, Esq.
Capt. Asahel Wheeler.
Capt. Henjainin Blaney.
Capt. Abraham Bigelow.
Maj. Gen. John Brooks.
Dr. Charles Whitman.
Leonard Williams, Esq.
Hon. Joseph Bradley Varnum, Esq.
Hon. John Pitts, Esq.
Hon. Eleazer Brooks, Esq
William Pynchon, Esq.
Hon. Caleb Strong, Esq.
Mr. Benjamin Sheldon.
Capt. Lemuel Pomeroy.
Brig. Gen. Elisha Porter.
Hon. Noah Goodman, Esq.
Hon. John Hastings, Esq.
John Ingersoll, Esq.
Mr. Ebenezer Janes.
Abner Morgan, Esq.
Capt. David Shepard.
Mr. Jesse Reed.
Nahum Eager, Esq.
Col. Benjamin Bonney.
Maj. Thomas James Douglass.
Mr. Aaron Fisher.
Mr. Edmund Lazell.
Capt. Thompson Maxwell.
Mr. Elihu Colton.
Joshua Thomas, Esq.
Mr. Thomas Davis.
Mr. John Davis.
Hon. William Cushing, Esq.
Hon. Nathan Cushing, Esq.
Hon. Charles Turner, Esq.
Hon. George Partridge, Esq.
Rev. William Shaw.
Daniel Howard, Esq.
Mr. Hezekiah Hooper.
Capt. Elisha Mitchell.
Mr. Daniel Howard, Jr.
Rev. Isaac Backus.
Isaac Thomson, Esq.
Capt. John Turner.
Mr. Josiah Smith.
William Sever, Jr., Esq.
Hon. Joseph dishing, Esq.
Rev. Samuel Niles.
Mr. Frcman Waterman.
Col. Israel Fearing.
Shearjashub Bourn, Esq.
David Thatcher, Esq.
Capt. Jonathan Howes.
Hon. Solomon Freeman, Esq.
Capt. Kimball Clark.
Rev. Levi Whitman.
Capt. Joseph Palmer.
James Williams, Esq.
Hon. Elisha May, Esq.
Capt. Moses Willmarth.
Col. Sylvester Richmond.
Hon. William Baylies, Esq.
Hon. Thomas Durfee, Esq.
Israel Washburn, Esq.
Hon. Walter Spooner, Esq.
Rev. Samuel West.
William Almy.
Nathaniel Barrell, Esq.
Rev. Dr. Moses Hemmenway.
Hon, Nathaniel Wells, Esq.
Thomas Cutts, Esq.
Jacob Bradbury, Esq.
Capt. John Low.
Mr. William Mayhew.
Mr Onrnelins Dunham.
Hon. John Sprague, Esq.
Capt. Seth Newton.
Hon. Samuel Baker, Esq.
Maj. David Wilder.
Mr. Matthew Patrick.
Mr. Josiah Goddard.
Capt. Ephraim Wilder.
John K. Smith, Esq.
Mr. John Fox.
Capt. Joseph McLellan.
David Mitchell, Esq.
Samuel Merrill, Esq.
William Thompson, Esq.
Capt. John Dunlap.
Capt. Isaac Snow.
Mr. Joshua Dyer.
Rev. Samuel Perley.
Thomas Rice, Esq.
Mr. David Sylvester.
Mr. Nathaniel Wyman.
Mr. David Gilmore.
William McCobb, Esq.
Capt. Samuel Grant.
Moses Davis, Esq.
David Fales, Esq.
Dummer Sewall, Esq.
John Ashley, Jr., Esq.
Hon. Elijah Dwight, Esq.
Hon. Theodore Sedgwick, Esq
Hon. Jonathan Smith, Esq.
Hon. Thompson J. Skinner, Esq.
Mr. Elisha Carpenter.
Capt. Daniel Taylor

NAYS -- 168

Capt. Jedidiah Southworth.
Nathan Comstock.
Benjamin Randall.
Moses Richardson, Jr.
Rev. Noah Alden.
Hon. Israel Hutchinson, Esq.
Capt. Peter Osgood, Jr.
Dr. Thomas Kittridge.
Capt. Thomas Mighill.
Hon. Aaron Wood, Esq.
Capt. Ebenezer Carlton.
Dr. Marshall Spring.
Capt. Timothy Winn.
William Flint.
Peter Emerson.
Jonas Morse.
Maj. Benjamin Sawin
William Thompson, Esq.
Maj. John Minot.
Capt. Gilbert Dench.
Jonathan Keep.
Dr. Benjamin Morse.
Joseph Sheple, Esq.
Obadiah Sawtell.
Daniel Fisk.
Capt. Daniel Adams.
Capt. John Webber.
Capt. Staples Chamberlin.
Asa Parlin.
Capt. John Harnden.
Newman Scarlett.
Samuel Reed.
Benjamin Adams.
Maj. Hezekiah Broad.
Capt. Jonathan Green.
Phineas Gleazen.
Col. Benjamin Ely.
Capt. John Williston.
Capt. Phinehas Stebbins.
Daniel Cooley.
Benjamin Eastman.
Josiah Allis.
William Bodman.
Samuel Field.
Moses Bascom.
Robert Wilson.
Capt. Consider Arms.
Malachi Maynard.
Capt. Zacheus Crocker.
Moses Severance.
Capt. Asa Fisk.
Phinehas Merrick.
Adam Clark.
Capt. Nathaniel Whitcomb.
Timothy Blair.
Aaron Merrick.
John Hamilton.
Clark Cooley.
John Chamberlin.
Justus Dwight.
Samuel Eddy.
Isaac Pepper.
Capt. John Goldsbury.
Capt. Agrippa Wells.
Ephraim William.
Asa Powers.
Capt Silas Fowler.
John Jennings.
Jonathan Hubbard.
Benjamin Thomas.
Isaac Soul.
Nathaniel Hammond.
Abraham Holmes.
Capt. Francis Shurtliff.
Elijah Bisbee, Jr.
Dr. Thomas Smith.
Thomas Nye.
Col. Nathaniel Leonard.
Aaron Pratt.
Capt. Phanuel Bishop.
Maj. Frederick Drown.
William Winsor, Esq
Christopher Mason.
David Brown.
Hon. Holder Slocum, Esq.
Meletiah Hathaway.
Hon. Abraham White, Esq.
Capt. Ebcnezer Tisdell.
Capt. John Pratt.
Capt. Esaias Preble.
Mark Adams.
James Neal.
Capt. Elijah Thayer.
Dr. Nathaniel Low.
Richard Fox Cutts.
Thomas M. Went worth.
Maj. Samuel Nasson.
Moses Ames.
Jeremiah Emery.
Rev. Pelatiah Tingley.
David Bigelow.
Edward Thompson, Esq.
Daniel Forbes.
Nathaniel Jenks.
Capt. Jeremiah Learned.
Caleb Curtis.
Ezra Mclntier.
David Harwood.
Hon. Amos Singletary, Esq.
Col. Samuel Denny.
James Hathaway.
Asaph Sherman.
Abraham Smith.
Capt. Jonathan Bullard.
Capt. John Black.
Capt. John Woods.
Capt. Benjamin Josselyn.
Capt. Stephen Maynard.
Artemas Brigham.
Capt. Isaac Harrington.
Capt. John Fuller.
Daniel Putnam.
Dr. Samuel Willard.
Josiah Whitney, Esq.
Jonathan Day.
Capt. Thomas Marshall Baker.
Capt. Timothy Parker.
Maj. Martin Kinsley.
Rev. Joseph Davis.
Hon. John Taylor, Esq.
Dr. Joseph Wood.
Jonathan Grout, Esq.
Capt. Samuel Peckham.
John Frye, Esq.
Stephen Holden.
Capt. Joel Fletcher.
Timothy Fuller.
Jacob Willard.
Moses Hale.
Capt. Josiah Wood.
Joseph Stone.
David Stearns.
Jonas Temple
Daniel Ilsley, Esq.
Stephen Longfellow, Jr
William Wedgery.
Capt. David Murray.
Hon. Samuel Thompson, Esq
Jonah Crosby
Zacheus Beal
William Jones, Esq.
Capt. James Carr.
Joshua Bean.
Valentine Rathbun.
Comstock Betts.
Lemuel Collins.
Capt. Jeremiah Pierce.
Ephraim Fitch, Esq.
Maj. Thomas Lusk.
Ebenezer Peirce, Esq.
John Hurlbert.
David Vaughan.
Capt. Ezckiel Herrick.
Capt. Jesse Bradley.
Joshua Lawton.
Zenos Noble.
Timothy Mason.
John Picket, Jr

Note:William Thompson, Esq is listed both as a YEAH and a NAY vote. Unable to determine, from this book, if they are the same person.

6. STATE OF GEORGIA
January 2, 1788.

JOHN WEREAT, President, and delegate for the county of Richmond.
County of Chatham,
* W. Stephens,
* Joseph Habersham.
Effingham,
* Jenhim Davis,
* N. Brownson.
Burke,
* Edward Telfair,
* H. Todd.
Richmond,
* William Few,
* James M'Niel.
Wilkes,
* Geo. Matthews,
* Flor. Sullivan,
* John King.
Liberty,
* James Powell,
* John Elliot,
* James Maxwell.
Glynn,
* George Handley,
* Christopher Hillary,
* J. Milton.
Camden,
* Henry Osborn,
* James Seagrove,
* Jacob Weed.
Washington,
* Jared Irwin,
* John Rutherford,
Greene,
* Robert Christmas,
* Thomas Daniel,
* R. Middleton.

7. MARYLAND April 28, 1788.

GEO. PLATER, President.
* Richard Barnes,
* Charles Chilton,
* N. Lewis Sewall,
* William Tilghman,
* Donaldson Yeates,
* Isaac Perkins,
* John Gale,
* N. Hammond,
* Daniel Sullivan,
* James Shaw,
* Jos. Gilpin,
* H. Hollingsworth,
* John Done,
* Thomas Johnson,
* Thomas S. Lee,
* Richard Potts,
* Abraham Few,
* William Paca,
* William Granger,
* Joseph Wilkinson,
* Charles Graham,
* John Cheslea, Jun.
* W. Smith,
* G. R. Brown,
* J. Parnham,
* Zeph. Turner,
* Michael Jenifer Stone,
* R. Goldsborough, Jun.,
* Edward Lloyd,
* John Stevens,
* George Gale,
* Henry Waggaman,
* John Stewart,
* James Gordon Heron,
* Samuel Evans,
* Fielder Bowie,
* Osb. Sprigg,
* Benjamin Hall,
* George Digges,
* Nicholas Carrole,
* A. C. Hanson,
* James Tilghman,
* John Seney,
* James Hollyday,
* William Hemsley,
* Peter Chaille,
* James Martin,
* William Morris,
* J. Richardson,
* William Richardson,
* Matt. Driver,
* Peter Edmonson,
* James M. Henry,
* John Coulter,
* Thomas Sprigg,
* John Stull,
* Moses Rawlings,
* Henry Shryock,
* Thomas Cramphin,
* Richard Thomas,
* William Deakins, Jun.
* Benj. Edwards.
Attest. Wm. Harwood, Clerk.

8. STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA May 23, 1788.

THOMAS PINCKNEY, President.
Attest. John Sandford Dart, Secretary

The following were in committe as well, found at another site.:

Parishes of St. Philip and St. Michael, Charleston,
Yeas: His excellency, Governor Thomas Pinckney, did not vote.
Lieutenant-Governor Thomas Gadsden,
C. C. Pinckney, (general,)
Christopher Gadsden, (general—member of Congress of ’65, at New York,)
Edward Rutledge, (governor—one of the Congress of ’76,)
David Ramsay, (Dr.,)
Thomas Heyward, Jun.,(judge—and one of the Congress of ’76,)
Edward Darrell,
Isaac Motte,
John Mathews, (governor,)
Edward Blake,
Thomas Bee, (judge,)
Daniel De Soussure,
Thomas Jones,
John F. Grimke, (judge,)
William Johnson,
John J. Pringle, (attorney-general,)
John Blake,
Daniel Stevens,
Daniel Cannon,
Anthony Toomer,
Hugh Rutledge, (judge,)
John Budd, (Dr.,)
Francis Kinloch,
Thomas Sommersall,
Michael Kalteisen, (captain of fort Johnson,)
Richard Lushington, (colonel,)
Nathaniel Russel,
Josiah Smith,
Lewis Morris,
Edward Lightwood,
John Edwards.

Christ Church.,
Yeas: Hon. Charles Pinckney,
Hon. John Rutledge,
Hon. A. Vanderhorst,
William Read,
Joseph Manigault,
Jacob Read,
Joshua Toomer.

St. John’s, Berkley,
Yeas: Hon. Henry Laurens,
Gen. William Moultrie,
Henry Laurens, Jun.
Nays: Peter Fayssoux,
Keating Simons,
Thomas Walter.
Absent: Francis Marion.

St. Andrew’s.,
Yeas: Glen Drayton,
Hon. Richard Hutson,
Thomas Fuller,
James Ladson,
Ralph Izard, Jun.,
Charles Drayton,
Hon. William Scott.

. St. George’s, Dorchester.,
Yeas: John Glaze,
Morton Waring,
Thomas Warring,
Maj. J. Postell,
William Postell,
Mathias Hutchinson,
John Dawson.

St. Jame’s, Goose Creek.,
Yeas: Hon. Ralph Izard,
Peter Smith,
Hon. Benjamin Smith,
Gabriel Manigault,
William Smith,
J. Parker, Jun.,
J. Deas, Jun.

St. Thomas and St. Dennis.,
Yeas: Hon. John Huger,
Thomas Karwon,
Thomas Screven,
Robert Daniel,
Lewis Fogartie,
Isaac Harleston,
Isaac Parker.

St. Paul’s Parish.,
Yeas: Paul Hamilton,
George Haig,
Joseph Slann,
Roger Parker Saunders,
William Washington, (hero of Eutaw and Cowpens.)
Nays: John Wilson,
Hon. Melcher Garner.

St. Batholomew’s.,
Yeas: Hon. John Lloyd,
John Crosskeys.
Nays: Benjamin Postell,
William Clay Snipes,
O’Brien Smith,
Paul Walter,
Edmund Bellinger.

St. Helena’s.,
Yeas: Hon. John Barnwell,
Hon. John Kean,
Hon. William H. Wigg,
Hon. Robert Barnwell,
Hon. William Elliott,
Hon. James Stuart.

St. Jame’s, Santee.,
Yeas: Isaac Dubose,
Lewis Miles,
Samuel Warren,
Richard Withers,
John Mayrant,
Thomas Horry.
Nay: John Bowman.

Prince George’s, Winyaw.,
Yeas: Hon. Thomas Waties, (judge of C. C. P., and chancellor,)
Samuel Smith,
Cleland Kinloch,
Hon. William Allston,
Absent: Peter Horry.

All Saints’.,
Yeas: Daniel Morral,
Thomas Allston.

Prince Frederick’s.,
Yeas: William Wilson,
Alexander Tweed,
William Frierson,
James Pettigrew.
Nays: Patrick Dollard,
William Read,
J. Burges, Jun.

St. John’s, Colleton County,
Yeas: Thomas Legare,
Richard Muncreef, Jun.,
Hon. Daniel Jenkins,
Hugh Wilson,
Isaac Jenkins,
Ephraim Mikel,
William Smelie.

St. Peter’s,
Yeas: John Fenwick,
Joachin Hartstone,
Seth Stafford,
Rev. Henry Holcom.
Nays: John Chisholm,
John Lewis Bourjin, Jun.
Absent: William Stafford.

Prince William’s,
Yeas: Thomas Hutson,
John M’Pherson,
James Maine,
John A. Cuthbert,
John Lightwood,
John Simmons,
Stephen Devaux

St. Stephen’s,
Yeas: John Palmer,
Hon. Hezekiah Mahams,
Samuel Dubose,
John Peyre.
Absent: Thomas Cooper,
Thomas Palmer.

District Eastward of the Wateree,
Yea: John Chesnut.
Nays: Thomas Sumter,
Andrew Baskins,
John Lowry,
Benjamin Cudworth,
William Massay,
Hugh White,
Thomas Dunlap,
Samuel Dunlap,
John Montgomery.
Absent: S. Boykin

District of Ninety-six,
Yea: Dr. John Harris.
Nays: James Lincoln,
Adam Crain Jones,
Edmond Martin,
Andrew Hamilton,
Joseph Calhoun,
William Butler,
John Bowie,
Hon. John L. Gervais.
Absent: John Ewing Calhoun,
Charles Davenport.

North Side of Saluda,
Yeas: Samuel Earle,
Lemuel J. Allstone,
John Thomas, Jun

South Side of Saluda,
Yeas: John Miller,
William M’Caleb.
Absent: Robert Anderson

District of Saxe-Gotha,
Yea: Hon. Henry Pendleton.
Nays: Hon. Richard Hompton,
J. Culpeper,
William Fitzpatrick,
Llewellen Threewits,
John Threewits,
Wade Hampton

Lower Districts between Broad and Saluda Rivers,
Nays: Hon. Edanus Burke,
J. Lindsay,
Philemon Waters,
Robert Ruthford,
Hon. J. Hampton

Little River District,
Yeas: John Hunter,
Thomas Wadsworth.
Nays: Samuel Saxon,
Joshua Saxon.
Absent: James Mayson.

Upper or Spartan District,
Nays: William Kennedy,
James Jourdon,
Charles Sims,
Thomas Brandon,
Hon. Zacariah Bullock.

District between Broad and Catawba Rivers, Richland County,
Nays: Hon. Thomas Taylor,
William Meyer,
Thomas Howell

Fairfield County,
Nays: James Craig,
Jacob Brown,
John Gray,
John Cook

Chester District,
Nays: Edward Lacy,
Joseph Brown,
William Miles,
James Knox

District called the New Acquisition,
Yea: Rev. Francis Cummins.
Nays: Hon. William Hill,
Robert Patton,
Samuel Watson,
James Martin,
James G. Hunt,
Samuel Lowry,
Andrew Love,
John M’Caw,
Adam Meek,
Abraham Smith.

St. Matthew’s,
Yeas: Hon. William Thompson,
Hon. Paul Warley.
Nay: Hon. John Linton.

Orange,
Yeas: Lewis Lesterjette,
Jacob Rumph,
Donald Bruce.
Absent: Lewis Golsan.

St. David’s,
Yeas: Lemuel Benton,
William Dewitt,
Calvin Spencer,
Samuel Taylor,
R. Brownfield,
Benjamin Hicks, Jun.
Absent: Trist. Thomas.

District between Savannah River, and the North Fork of Edisto,
Yeas: Stephen Smith,
Hon. William Dunbar,
Joseph Vince,
William Robison,
John Collins,
Jonathan Clark.
Absent: William Buford.

9. STATE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE June 21, 1788.

JOHN SULLIVAN, Pres. of the Conv.
JOHN LANGDON, Pres. of the State. (from Portsmouth)[One of most distinguished N.H. citizens. Continental Congress delegate. N.H. rep & speaker of the house. Common pleas court judge. N.H. senate & later president of state. N.H. U.S. senator and first president pro tem of that body. Governor of N.H.].

The following were in committe as well, found in the book: Birth of the Federal constitution: A history of the New Hampshire convention for the investigation, discussion and decision of the federal constitution and of the Old North meeting-house of Concord, in which it was ratified by the ninth state, and thus rendered operative...on...the 21st of June ... by Joseph Burbeen Walker, published by Cupples and Hurd, 1888 (pg's 7-21): Some notes on a few of the more prominant members (from the book).

Portsmouth
John Pickering Esq. [N.H. attorney-general. Leading member of the H.H. convention. Repeatedly member of N.H. legislature, also president of N.H. senate. Governor ex officio. Chief justice of superior court. U.S. district judge.].
Pierce Long, Esq.

Exeter
John Taylor Gilman, Esq.

Londonderry
Col Daniel Runnels,
Archib McMurphy, Esq.

Chester
Joseph Blanchard

Newington
Benjamin Adams, Esq.

Greenland
Dr. Ichabod Weeks

Rye
Nathan Goss

New Castle
Henry Prescutt, Esq.

North Hampton
Rev. Benjamin Thurston

Hampton
Christopher Toppan, Esq.

Hampton Falls & Seabrook
Rev. Samuel Langdon

Stratham
Jon Wiggin

Kensington
Jeremiah Fogg, Esq.

S. Hampton & East Kingstown
Benjamin Clough

Kingstown
Hon. Josiah Bartlett, Esq.[Signer of the Decl. Of Ind. Chief Justice court of common pleas. Justice & Chief justice of superior court. President N.H. legislature. Govenor of N.H.].

Brentwood
Doc. Thomas Stow Ranney

Epping
Nathaniel Ladd

New Market
Nathaniel Rogers, Esq.

Nottingham
Thomas Bartlett, Esq. [Speaker of N.H. House of Reps after Rev. war, and justice of the court of com. pleas].

Deerfield
Doc. Edmund Chadwick

Northwood, Epsom & Allenstown
Maj. James Gray

Chichester & Pittsfield
Benjamin Sias, Esq.

Canterbury
Col. Jeremiah Clough

Northfield
Charles Glidden

Loudon
Jonathan Smith

Concord
Capt. Benjamin Emery

Pembroke
Samuel Daniels, Esq.

Candia
Stephen Fifield

Raymond & Poplin
Thomas Chase

Hawke & Sandown
Nehemiah Sleeper

Hampstead
John Calfe, Esq. [Secretary of N.H. for both convention for federal constitution & state constitution. Justice of the court of com. pleas for 25 years].

Atkinson & Plastow
Col. Benjamin Stone

Salem
Lt. Thomas Dow

Newtown
Capt. Robert Steward

Wyndham
James Bettan, Esq.

Pelham
Rev. Amos Moody

Dover
Doc. Ezra Green

Durham
Excy. John Sullivan, Esq.

Sommersworth
Moses Carr, Esq.

Rochester
Barnabas Palmer

Barrington
Maj. Samuel Hale

Sandborntown
William Harper, Esq.

Gilmantown
Hon. Joseph Badger

Lee
Capt. Reuben Hill

Madbury
Rev. William Hooper

Merrideth & New Hampton
Col. Eben Smith

Sandwich & Tamworth
Daniel Bedee, Esq.

Moultonboro, Tuftonborough, Wolfboro & Ossipee
Nathaniel Shannon

Barnstead, New Durham & N.D. Gore
Jonathan Chesley

Wakefield, Middletown & Effingham
Nicholas Austin

Conway, Eaton, Burton & Locations
David Page, Esq.

Nottingham West
Eben Cummings

Litchfield
Daniel Bixby

Derryfield
Lt. John Hall

Dunstable
Deac. William Hunt

Merrimac
Timothy Taylor, Esq.

Bedford
Stephen Dole

Goffstown
William Page

Holles
Capt. Daniel Kindrick

Amherst
Joshua Atherton, Esq.

Raby & Mason
Deac. Amos Dakin

New Ipswich
Capt. Charles Barrett

Francestown
Thomas Bixby

Wilton
William Abbott

Lyndeborough, Temple & Peterboro Slip
Deac. John Cragin

Peterboro & Society Land
Maj. Nathan Dix

Hancock, Antrim & Deering
Evan Dow

Hinnekar & Hillsborough
Robert B. Wilkins

New Boston
John Cochran, Esq.

Weare
Johnathan Dow

Hopkinton
Joshua Morss

Dunbarton & Bow
Jacob Green

Salisbury
Col. Ebenezer Webster

Boscawen
Col. Joseph Gerrish

Fishersfield, Sutton & Warner
Nathaniel Bean, Esq.

New London, Andover & Gore
[Edit: None listed]

Charlestown
Benjamin West, Esq.

Alstead
Capt. Oliver Shepherd

Keene
Rev. Aaron Hall

Swanzey
Maj. Elisha Whitcomb

Richmond
Johnathan Gaskill

Jaffrey
Abel Parker

Winchester
Capt. Moses Chamberlain

Westmoreland
Archilaus Temple

Chesterfield
Doc. Solomon Harvey

Rindge
Capt. Othniel Thomas

Walpole
Gen. Benjamin Bellows [son of Col. Benj. Bellows & was President of the electoral college in 1789 & 1797].
Aaron Allen

Claremont
Deac. Matthias Stone

Cornish & Grantham
Gen. Jonathan Chase

Newport & Croyden
John Remmele

Acworth, Lempster, & Marlow
Daniel Grout, Esq.

Wendell & Unity
Moses True

Surry & Gilsom
Col. Jonathan Smith

Stoddard & Washington
Thomas Pinneman

Dublin & Packersfield
Samuel Griffin, Esq.

Marlborough
Jedediah Tainter

Fitz William
Lt. Caleb Winch

Plainfield
Maj. Joseph Kimball

Hinsdale
Uriel Evans

Protectworth, Holderness, Campton & Thornton
Hon. Samuel Livermore

Plymouth, Rumney, & Wentworth
Francis Worster, Esq.

New Chester, Alexandra, & Cockermouth
Thomas Crawford

Enfield, Canaan, Cardigan, Dorchester & Grafton
Jesse Johnson, Esq.

Hanover
Jonathan Freeman, Esq.

Lebanon
Col. Elisha Payne

Lyme & Orford
William Simpson, Esq.

Haverhill, Piermont, Warren, and Coventry
Col. Joseph Hutchins

Lincoln & Franconia
Capt. Isaac Patterson

Bath, Lyman, Landaff, Littleton & Dalton
Maj. Samuel Young

Lancaster, Northumberland, Stratford, Dartmouth, Piercy, Cockburn & Coleburn
Capt. John Weeks.

10. VIRGINIA June 25, 1788.

EDMUND PENDLETON, President
[recommended Chaplin, Rev. Abner Waugh]
Paul Carrington

The following were in committe as well, from the book: The history of the Virginia federal convention of 1788: with some account of eminent Virginians of that era who were members of the body Publisher [Virginia historical] society, 1891:

Accomac
Edmund Custis
George Parker

Albemarle
George Nicholas
Wilson Carv Nicholas

Amelia
John Pride
Edmund Booker

Amherst
William Cabell
Samuel Jordan Cabell

Augusta
Zachariah Johnston
Archibald Stuart

Bedford
John Trigg
Charles Clay

Berkeley
William Darke
Adam Stephen

Botetourt
William Fleming
Martin McFerran

Bourbon
Henry Lee
Notlay Conn

Brunswick
John Jones
Binns Jones

Buckingham
Charles Patteson
David Bell

Campbell
Robert Alexander
Edmund Winston

Caroline
Hon Edmund Pendleton
James Taylor

Charlotte
Thomas Read
Hon Paul Carrington

Charles City
Benjamin Harrison
John Tyler

Chesterfield
David Patterson,
Stephen Pankey, Jr.

Cumberland
Joseph Michaux,
Thomas H. Drew.

Culpeper
French Strother,
Joel Early.

Dinwiddle
Joseph Jones,
William Watkins.

Elizabeth City
Miles King,
Worlich Westwood.

Essex
James Upshaw,
Meriwether Smith.

Fairfax
David Stuart,
Charles Simms.

Fayette
Humphrey Marshall,
John Fowler.

Fauquier
Martin Pickett,
Humphrey Brooke.

Fluvanna
Samuel Richardson,
Joseph Haden.

Frederick
John S. Woodcock,
Alexander White.

Franklin
John Early,
Thomas Arthur.

Gloucester
Warner Lewis,
Thomas Smith.

Goochland
John Guerrant,
William Sampson.

Greenbrier
George Clendenin,
John Stuart.

Greenesville
William Mason,
Daniel Fisher.

Halifax
Isaac Coles,
George Carrington.

Hampshire
Andrew Woodrow,
Ralph Humphreys.

Hanover
Parke Goodall,
John Carter Littlepage.

Harrison
George Jackson,
John Prunty.

Hardy
Isaac Vanmeter,
Abel Seymour.

Henrico
Governor Edmund Randolph,
John Marshall.

Henry
Thomas Cooper,
John Marr.

Isle of Wight
Thomas Pierce,
James Johnson.

James City
Nathaniel Burwell,
Robert Andrews.

Jefferson
Robert Breckenridge,
Rice Bullock.

King and Queen
William Fleet,
John Roane.

King George
Burdet Ashton,
William Thornton.

King William
Holt Richeson,
Benjamin Temple.

Lancaster
James Gordon,
Henry Towles.

Loudoun
Stevens Thomson Mason,
Levin Powell.

Louisa
William Overton Callis,
William White.

Lunenburg
Jonathan Patteson,
Christopher Robertson.

Lincoln
John Logan,
Henry Pawling.

Madison
John Miller,
Green Clay.

Mecklenburg
Samuel Hopkins, Jr.,
Richard Kennon.

Mercer
Thomas Allen,
Alexander Robertson.

Middlesex
Ralph Wormeley, Jr.,
Francis Corbin.

Monongalia
John Evans,
William Mcclerry.

Montgomery
Walter Crockett,
Abraham Trigg.

Nansemond
Willis Riddick,
Solomon Shepherd.

New Kent
William Clayton,
Burwell Bassett.

Nelson
Matthew Walton,
John Steele.

Norfolk
James Webb,
James Taylor.

Northampton
john Stringer,
Littleton Eyre.

Northumberland
Walter Jones,
Thomas Gaskins.

Ohio
Archibald Woods,
Ebenezer Zane.

Orange
James Madison, Jr.,
James Gordon.

Pittsylvania
Robert Williams,
John Wilson.

Powhatan
William Ronald,
Thomas Turpin, Jr.

Prince Edward
Patrick Henry,
Robert Lawson.1"

Prince George
Theodoric Bland,
Edmund Ruffin.

Prince William
William Grayson,
Cuthbert Bullitt.

Princess Anne
Anthony Walke,
Thomas Walke.

Randolph
Benjamin Wilson,
John Wilson.

Richmond
Walker Tomlin,
William Peachy.

Rockbridge
William Mckee,
Andrew Moore.

Rockingham
Thomas Lewis,
Gabriel Jones.

Russell
Thomas Carter,
Henry Dickenson.

Shenandoah
Jacob Rinker,
John Williams.

Southampton
Benjamin Blount,
Samuel Killo.

Spotsylvania
James Monroe,
John Dawson.

Stafford
George Mason,
Andrew Buchanan.

Surry
John Hartwell Cocke,
John Allen.

Sussex
John Howell Briggs,
Thomas Edmunds.

Warwick
Cole Digges,
Richard Cary.

Washington
Samuel Edmiston,
James Montgomery.

Westmoreland
Henry Lee,
Bushrod Washington.

York
Hon. John Blair,
Hon. George Wythe.

Williamsburg
James Innes.

Norfolk Borough
Thomas Matthews.

11. STATE OF NEW YORK July 26, 1788.

GEO. CLINTON, President.
Attested. John M'Kesson, Ab. B. Banker, Secretaries.

The following were in committe as well, found at another site.:

From the City and County of New York.
John Jay,
Richard Morris,
John Sloss Hobart,
Alexander Hamilton,
Robert R. Livingston,
Isaac Roosevelt,
James Duane,
Richard Harrison,
Nicholas Low.

From the City and County of Albany.
Robert Yates,
John Lansing,
Jun.,
Henry Outhoudt,
Peter Vroman,
Israel Thompson,
Anthony Ten Eyck,
Dirck Swart.

From the County of Suffolk.
Henry Scudder,
Jonathan N. Havens,
John Smith,
Thomas Tredwell,
David Hedges.

From the County of Ulster.
Governor Clinton,
John Cantine,
Cor. C. Schoonmaker,
Ebenezer Clark,
James Clinton,
Dirck Wynkoop.

From the County of Queens.
Samuel Jones,
John Schenck,
Nathaniel Lawrence,
Stephen Carman.

From the County of Kings.
Peter Lefferts,
Peter Vandervoort.

From the County of Richmond.
Abraham Bancker,
Gozen Ryerss.

From the County of Westchester.
Lewis Morris,
Philip Livingston,
Richard Hatfield,
Philip Van Courtland,
Thaddeus Crane,
Lott W. Sarls.

From the County of Orange.
John Haring,
Jesse Woodhull,
Henry Wisner,
John Wood.

From the County of Duchess.
Zephaniah Platt,
Melancton Smith,
Jacobus Swartwout,
Jonathan Akins,
Ezra Thompson,
Gilbert Livingston,
John De Witt.

From the County of Montgomery.
William Harper,
Christopher P. Yates,
John Frey,
John Winn,
Volkert Veeder,
Henry Staring.

From the County of Columbia.
Peter Van Ness,
John Bay,
Matthew Adgate.

From the Counties of Washington, and Clinton.
Ichabod Parker,
John Williams,
Albert Baker,
David Hopkins.

12. STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA November 21, 1789.

Samuel Johnston, Esq, (note: some sources list his name as "Samuel Johnson") President of the Convention.
J. Hunt, James Taylor, Secretaries.

The following were in committe as well, from Minutes of the North Carolina Constitutional Convention at Fayetteville: November 16, 1789 - November 22, 1789 Volume 22, Pages 36-53

Anson county
The Hon. Samuel Spencer, Esq.
Jesse Gilbert,
Pleasant May,
Thomas Wade,
David Jameson.

Beaufort
John G. Blount,
William Brown,
Richard Grist,
Alderson Ellison,
Silas W. Arnett.

Bertie
John Johnston,
Francis Pugh,
William Johnston Dawson,
David Turner,
David Stone.

Brunswick
Benjamin Smith,
William E. Lord,
William Gause,
John Hall,
Dennis Hawkins.

Bladen
John Cowan,
Duncan Stewart,
Thomas Owen,
Joseph Gaitier,
Thomas Brown.

Burke
Charles M’Dowall,
Joseph M’Dowall,
Joseph M’Dowall, Jun.,
William E. Erwin,
John Carson.

Craven
John Allen,
Richard Nixon,
Joseph Leech,
Thomas Williams.

Cumberland
John Ingram,
John Hay,
William B. Grove,
James Moore,
Robert Adam.

Carteret
John Easton,
Malachi Bell,
John Fulford,
Wallace Styron,
John Wallace.

Currituck
William Ferebee,
Thomas P. Williams,
Samuel Ferebee,
Andrew Duke,
Spence Hall.

Chowan
Stephen Cabarrus,
Charles Johnson,
Lemuel Creecy,
Edmund Blount.

Camden
Isaac Gregory,
Peter Dauge,
Enoch Sawyer,
Henry Abbott,
Charles Grandy.

Caswell
John Wommack,
Robert Dickens,
John Graves,
Robert Payne,
Robert Bowman.

Chatham
Robert Edwards
William Vestall
John Thompson
John Ramsay
James Anderson.

Dobbs
[Edit: None listed]

Duplin
James Pearsall
James Gillespie
Robert Dickson
Lavan Watkins
James Kenan.

Davidson
Charles Gerrard
Joel Rice
Robert Ewing
James C. Mountflorence
William Dobbin.

Edgecombe
Etheldred Phillips
Thomas Blount
Jeremiah Hilliard
Etheldred Gray
William Fort.

Franklin
Henry Hill
Thomas Sherrod
Jordan Hill
William Lancaster
William Christmas.

Guilford
John Hamilton
William Gowdy
Richard D. Caldwell
Daniel Gillespie.

Granville
Elijah Mitchell
Thomas Person
Thornton Yancey
Peter Bennett
Edmund Taylor, Jun.

Gates
David Rice
Joseph Riddick
John Baker.

Greene
John Sevier
Alexander Outlaw
John Allison
George Doherty
James Wilson.

Halifax
Lunsford Long
John B. Ashe
Peter Qualls
John Whitaker
Marmaduke Norfleet.

Hertford
Thomas Wynns
Robert Montgomery
Hardy Murfee
Henry Hill
Henry Baker.

Hyde
John Eborn
James Watson
John Alderson
James Jasper
Michael Peters.

Hawkins
Nathaniel Henderson
James White
John Hunt.

Johnston
Samuel Smith
Hardy Bryan
William Bridgers
William Hackney
Matthias Handy.

Jones
Frederick Hargett
Edward Whitty
John H. Bryan
Jacob Johnston.

Iredell
Adlai Osborn
Adam Brevard
Musentine Matthews
John Nesbitt
David Caldwell.

Lincoln
Joseph Dickson
John Moore
William M’Laine
Robert Alexander
John Caruth.

Moore
William Martin
Thomas Tyson
Donald M’Intosh
Neill M’Leod.

Martin
John Stewart
William Williams
Nathan Mayo.

Mecklenburg
Zachias Wilson
Joseph Douglass
Caleb Phifer
Joseph Graham
James Porter.

Montgomery
William Johnston
James Turner
James Tindall
David Nesbitt
James Crump.

Northampton
John M. Benford
Halcott B. Pride
Samuel Tarver
Robert Peebles
Samuel Peete.

New Hanover
Timothy Bloodworth
John G. Scull
John Huske
John A. Campbell.

Nash
Howell Ellin
Wilson Vick
William S. Marnes
John Bonds
Hardy Griffin.

Onslow
Robert W. Sneed
John Spicer
Daniel Yates
George Mitchell
Edward Ward.

Orange
James Christmass
Alexander Mebane
Thomas H. Perkins
William F. Strudwick
Joseph Hodge.

Pasquotank
Edward Everegain
John Swan
Thomas Banks
Devotion Davis.

Perquimans
His Excellency, Samuel Johnston
John Skinner
Joseph Harvey
Benjamin Perry
Ashbury Sutton.

Pitt
William Blount
Shadrick Allen
James Armstrong
Samuel Simpson
Benjamin Bell.

Rowan
George H. Berger
Bazel Gaither
John Stokes
Maxwell Chambers
Matthew Lock.

Randolph
Zebedee Wood
Reuben Wood
Nathan Stedman.

Richmond
Edward Williams
Alexander Watson
William Robinson
Duncan M’Farland.

Rutherford
William Porter
James Holland
Richard Lewis
William Johnson.

Rockingham
William Bethell
James Gallaway
Isaac Clarke
Abram Phillips
John Dabney.

Robeson
John Willis
Elias Barnes
Neill Brown
John Cade
Sion Alford.

Surry
Joseph Winston
Gideon Edwards
Absalom Bostwick
Edward Lovell
George Houser.

Sullivan
John Rhea
William Nash
John Scott
Joseph Martin.

Sampson
Richard Clinton
James Spiller
James Thompson
Hardy Holmes
William King.

Sumner
Daniel Smith
David Wilson
Samuel Mason
Edward Douglass
John Overton.

Tennessee
John Montgomery
John Drew
Thomas Johnston
William Blount
Benjamin Menees.

Tyrrell
Thomas Stewart
Hugh Williamson
Jeremiah Frazier
Simeon Spruill
Samuel Chesson.

Washington
Landon Carter
Robert Love
John Blair
William Houston
Andrew Green.

Warren
Benjamin Hawkins
Philemon Hawkins
Solomon Green
Wyatt Hawkins
Thomas Christmass.

Wayne
Richard M’Kinnie
Burwell Mooring
David Cogdell
Josiah Jernigan
James Handley.

Wake
Joel Lane
Thomas Hines
Henry Lane
Brittain Sanders
William Hayes.

Wilkes
John Brown
William Lenoir
Joseph Herndon
Benjamin Jones
William Nall.

Town of Salisbury
John Steele.

Edenton
John Mare.

Hillsboro
Samuel Benton.

Newbern
Isaac Guion.

Halifax
William R. Davie.

Wilmington
William N. Hill.

13. RHODE ISLAND May 29, 1790.

DANIEL OWEN, President.
Attest. Daniel Updike, Secretary.

The following were in committe as well, found in the book Rhode Island in the Continental Congress: with the Journal of the convention that adopted the Constitution, 1765-1790: by William Read Staples, Reuben Aldridge Guild, Providence Press Co., 1870.

NORTH KINGSTOWN
William Congdon Esq
Bowen Card Esq

NEWPORT
George Hazard Esq
Henry Marchant Esq
George Champlin Esq
Peleg Clarke Esq
Mr William Tripp
George Sears Esq

PROVIDENCE
Jabez Bowen Esq
Benjamin Bourn Esq
Col William Barton
John I Clark Esq

PORTSMOUTH
Mr Burrington Anthony
Mr Job Durfee
Mr Giles Slocum
Mr Peter Barker

WARWICK
Thomas Rice Esq
Mr Gideon Arnold
Mr Benjamin Arnold Jr
Mr Christopher Greene Jr

WESTERLT
Capt Walter White
George Stillman Esq

NEW SHOREHAM
Edward Hull Esq
Ray Sands Esq

SOUTH KINGSTOWN
Samuel J Potter Esq
Jonathan J Hazard Esq

EAST GREENWICH
Mr Pardon Mawney
Job Comstock Esq

JAMESTOWN
Capt Benjamin Remington
Mr Nicholas Carr

SMITHFIELD
John Sayles Esq
Andrew Waterman Esq

SCITUATE
Capt James Aldrich
Mr Nathan Bates

GLOCESTER
Daniel Owen Esq., President
Stephen Steere, Esq.

CHARLESTOWN
Thomas Hoxsie Esq
Joseph Stanton Esq

WEST GREENWICH
Mr William Matteson
William Nichols Esq

COVENTRY
Benjamin Arnold Esq
Lieut Job Greene

EXETER
Mr Jonathan Reynolds
Capt John Willcox

MIDDLETOWN
Joshua Barker Esq
Mr William Peckham Jr

BRISTOL
William Bradford Esq
Shearjashub Bourne Esq

TIVERTON
Mr Isaac Manchester
Mr Abraham Barker

LITTLE COMPTON
Capt William Ladd
Capt John Davis

WARREN
Mr Benjamin Bosworth
Mr Samuel Pearce
John S Dexter Esq

RICHMOND
James Sheldon Esq
Mr Thomas James

CRANSTON
Peter Stone Esq
Jonathan Sprague Jr Esq

HOPKINTON
Mr John Brown
Col Jesse Maxson

JOHNSTON
Noah Mathewson Esq
Mr William B King

NORTH PROVIDENCE
Elisha Brown Esq
Mr Ezek Esten

BARRINGTON
Col Thomas Allen
Samuel Allen Esq

FOSTER
Capt William Howard
John Williams Esq

CUMBERLAND
Levi Ballon Esq


144 posted on 06/17/2010 12:13:24 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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LOL, I think you had to of just set some king of record here on FR for the largest post evah!....though I could be wrong ;^)


145 posted on 06/17/2010 12:27:17 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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Just a few names on that list, eh? haha. A whole lot-a places to look for potential (additional) answers and confirmation!


146 posted on 06/17/2010 12:43:30 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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Save forever!


147 posted on 06/17/2010 12:43:42 PM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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"FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. Constitution Of The United States, 1799. By the House of Delegates, | January i, 1799. | Whereas it is highly expedient that every constitutional barrier should be opposed to the introduction of foreign influence into our national councils . . . Folio (13 by 8), sheets, uncut.
[Annapolis, 1799]

Contains the Resolve of the Maryland House of Delegates relative to a proposed amendment to the Constitution of the United States, requiring all senators and representatives to be natural born citizens, and that none but a natural born citizen shall become Vice-President of the United States.
Printed in script on the first page of a four-page folder."
Pg 211.

Illustrated catalogue of acts and laws of the colony and state of New York and of the other original colonies and states constituting the collection made by Hon. Russell Benedict, justice of the Supreme court of New York
Authors: Russell Benedict, American Art Association 1922 (??)

If you have a FOREIGN father, and you were born with FOREIGN citizenship, wouldn't that constitute "foreign influence?" Of course.

148 posted on 06/17/2010 1:55:35 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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ping


149 posted on 06/17/2010 2:00:17 PM PDT by wintertime
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Looking for the source for your exhaustive listing of ratifiers I came across the federal annotiations accompanying the Constitution. Surprise surprise. While we all know that the term was common law, so do the archivsts and legal authorities at the Library of Congress. Here is the relevent quotation:

456 ART. II—EXECUTIVE DEPARTMENT Sec. 1—The President Cl. 5—Qualifications QUALIFICATIONS All Presidents since and including Martin Van Buren were born in the United States subsequent to the Declaration of Independence. The principal issue with regard to the qualifications set out in this clause is whether a child born abroad of American parents is ‘‘a natural born citizen’’ in the sense of the clause. Such a child is a citizen as a consequence of statute. 100 Whatever the term ‘‘natural born’’ means, it no doubt does not include a person who is ‘‘naturalized.’’ Thus, the answer to the question might be seen to turn on the interpretation of the first sentence of the first section of the Fourteenth Amendment, providing that ‘‘[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States’’ are citizens. 101 Significantly, however, Congress, in which a number of Framers sat, provided in the Naturalization act of 1790 that ‘‘the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond the sea, . . . shall be considered as natural born citizens . . . .’’ 102 This phrasing followed the literal terms of British statutes, beginning in 1350, under which persons born abroad, whose parents were both British subjects, would enjoy the same rights of inheritance as those born in England; beginning with laws in 1709 and 1731, these statutes expressly provided that such persons were natural-born subjects of the crown. 103 There is reason to believe, therefore, that the phrase includes persons who become citizens at birth by statute because of their status in being born abroad of American citizens. 104 Whether the Supreme Court would decide the issue should it ever arise in a ‘‘case or controversy’’—as well as how it might decide it—can only be speculated about.

8 U.S.C. § 1401. 101 Reliance on the provision of an Amendment adopted subsequent to the constitutional provision being interpreted is not precluded by but is strongly militated against by the language in Freytag v. Commissioner, 501 U.S. 868, 886-887 (1991), in which the Court declined to be bound by the language of the 25th Amendment in determining the meaning of ‘‘Heads of Departments’’ in the appointments clause. See also id. at 917 (Justice Scalia concurring). If the Fourteenth Amendment is relevant and the language is exclusive, that is, if it describes the only means by which persons can become citizens, then, anyone born outside the United States would have to be considered naturalized in order to be a citizen, and a child born abroad of American parents is to be considered ‘‘naturalized’’ by being statutorily made a citizen at birth. Although dictum in certain cases supports this exclusive interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment, United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 702-703 (1898); cf. Montana v. Kennedy, 366 U.S. 308, 312 (1961), the most recent case in its holding and language rejects it. Rogers v. Bellei, 401 U.S. 815 (1971). 102 Act of March 26, 1790, 1 Stat. 103, 104 (emphasis supplied). See Weedin v. Chin Bow, 274 U.S. 657, 661-666 (1927); United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 672-675 (1898). With minor variations, this language remained law in subsequent reenactments until an 1802 Act, which omitted the italicized words for reasons not discernable. See Act of Feb. 10, 1855, 10 Stat. 604 (enacting same provision, for offspring of American-citizen fathers, but omitting the italicized phrase). 103 25 Edw. 3, Stat. 2 (1350); 7 Anne, ch. 5, § 3 (1709); 4 Geo. 2, ch. 21 (1731). 104 See, e.g., Gordon, Who Can Be President of the United States: The Unresolved Enigma, 28 MD. L. REV. 1 (1968). VerDate Aug<04>2004 13:21 Oct 06, 2004 Jkt 077500 PO 00000 Frm 00024 Fmt 8222 Sfmt 8222 C:\CONAN\CON011.SGM PRFM99 PsN: CON011 ART. II—EXECUTIVE DEPARTMENT 457 Sec. 1—The President Cl. 7—Compensation and Emoluments 105 E. Corwin, supra at 53-59, 344 n. 46.

Here is the URL: http://www.gpoaccess.gov/constitution/pdf2002/012.pdf From the carefully crafted text, our contempory legal historians assume (common law) that the English common law provision requiring parents who were citizens "...whose parents were both British subjects."

150 posted on 06/17/2010 6:41:00 PM PDT by Spaulding
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