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President Palin [He's not happy about it]
No Cure for That ^ | November 19, 2010 | Davis Fleetwood

Posted on 12/05/2010 5:32:58 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Two week ago, when John Heilemann wrote a cover story for New York Magazine outlining the perfect storm that could carry Sarah Palin to a Presidential election victory in 2012, I would have told you that Sarah was much more powerful as a king-maker and not a King.

And then she went and bragged to Barbara Walters that she can beat Obama in 2012 this.

Hah ha. Funny. In an Armageddon kind of way right? We can’t be that stupid, can we? Well… in the immortal slogan of an era long ago: yes we can!

So I decided to re-read Hielman’s article to see if his logic held water. I think I can summarize the article in this way. 1: Palin is doing all of the little behind the scenes things you do to lay the groundwork for a run. 2: The only other major GOP contender is Mitt Romney, who both fails to inspire and has the albatross of having served as Gov of Massachusetts when that state passed a healthcare plan that looks a lot like the plan that has all of the Randian Regressives calling Obama a socialist. B: The White House is eating this up, thinking that Palin is so polarizing that she could not possibly win, but mother*****n thirdly; NYC mayor Michael Bloomberg will launch a credible, Ross Perot style independent campaign. And in these polarizing times, with populist fervor on both the left and the right and the economy showing no signs of improving, it is a crap shoot with the odds on favorite in this scenario being Palin.

“She’s a supernova,” says former Bush advisor Mark McKinnon. “The only parallel is Barack Obama. And look what happened to him.”

In this scenario, those who interpret the end of the Mayan calendar in 2012 as a portent of the end of time may well be right. Because the nuclear codes will then fall into the lap of a woman who thinks the earth is only 6 thousand years old and that our illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan are Gods wars, that “God” is on our side.

Now, I know that my views, and how I present them, often earn me the scorn of those who would label me an elitist liberal snob.

You know why I am snob? Why I am elitist? Because liberals – or progressives are right. You are wrong. End of story.

When conservative forces in the south were arguing for separate but equal facilities for blacks during the civil rights struggle, does any version of history look back and exonerate the apes that held onto the conservative position? No!

Twenty years from now, when you are trying to explain to children why there was so much debate over Don’t Ask Don’t Tell and Gay Marriage, whose side will you be on? The Fred Phelps hate mongers and Military macho dick wavers who want to keep gays in the closet?

No. Twenty years from now, you will look back at this time and think, what was the problem? Why were we dragging our knuckles like apes?

Sarah Palin is a regressive with a growing army of grown men in Halloween Colonial Garb or crucifix clutchers or Ayn Rand disciples who will, if given the full reigns of this country, send us back to the Stone Age. Palin and her followers will disagree, of course, on the grounds that since archeologists place the Stone Age about 700,00 years ago and therefore 694 thousand years before their world began, that my conclusions are irrational and mathematically impossible.

But a serious run from the barracuda seems more and more plausible. What do you think- two years out; whom do you see winning the Presidential election in 2012?


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1.) Who are these people who think Mayor Bloomberg is a credible third party candidate? (2.) Why is the homosexual agenda always compared to black civil rights? (3.) Why is anti-Christian bigotry the only one that doesn't elicit scorn, ridicule and shunning?
1 posted on 12/05/2010 5:33:03 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
When conservative forces in the south were arguing for separate but equal facilities for blacks during the civil rights struggle, does any version of history look back and exonerate the apes that held onto the conservative position? No!

Wait a minute...I thought it was the rats who were against integration. ???

2 posted on 12/05/2010 5:37:14 PM PST by Aria ( "Remember, attitudes are contagious, so make sure yours are worth catching." Sarah Palin 9-18-2010)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As a high school kid I asked a woman why she voted for a particular candidate. She replied that she ‘just liked him better than his opponent.’ Logical or not, that’s the sort of thinking that elects candidates and I expect the next President to be elected by similar criteria. I believe Sarah is versed well enough in foreign policy to keep us out of trouble, which is more than can be said of the present occupant of the oval office and by the time 2012 gets here she’ll be a whole lot better liked than he is. If she runs, she’ll win.


3 posted on 12/05/2010 5:38:33 PM PST by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There is only one way to stop it... Have Obama and Biden resign and let Boehner be President.


4 posted on 12/05/2010 5:39:20 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

>>would have told you that Sarah was much more powerful as a king-maker and not a King. <<

Someone gives me a distillation of my arguments to date...


5 posted on 12/05/2010 5:41:03 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Lt. Drebin: Like a blind man at an orgy, I was going to have to feel my way through.)
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To: Aria

Wait a minute...I thought it was the rats who were against integration. ???

__________________________

They were. They’re also masters at revisionist history.


6 posted on 12/05/2010 5:41:30 PM PST by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Randian Regressives”?

Oh sure, there’s some conservative jargon for you.


7 posted on 12/05/2010 5:41:57 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (McCarthy Was Right)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

fight bigotry and discrimination against white male, christian and productive ppl should be the next civil rights movement. Don’t ppl think its unfair that just because you’re born a white male that you’re punished? Because you work twice as long as the next person that you’re treatment differently and punished?


8 posted on 12/05/2010 5:43:10 PM PST by 4rcane
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"You know why I am snob? Why I am elitist? Because liberals – or progressives are right. You are wrong. End of story."

"whose side will you be on? The Fred Phelps hate mongers and Military macho dick wavers who want to keep gays in the closet?"

"crucifix clutchers"

Why is it that they can crudely ridicule our heart-felt beliefs with such alacrity, in the public eye, without eliciting any kind of censure?

9 posted on 12/05/2010 5:44:14 PM PST by Celtic Cross (I AM the Impeccable Hat. (AKA The Pope's Hat))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Palin and her followers will disagree, of course, on the grounds that since archeologists place the Stone Age about 700,00 years ago and therefore 694 thousand years before their world began,

Huh?
What kind of number is 700,00?

Is this cat trying to say Palin is a "young earth" creationist?

That she thinks the earth is 6,000 years old?

Is that true, is that her belief?

Because, although I refuse to cheer-lead for her, I would
certainly vote for her should she run & be nominated.

Unless she believes that load of bunk. That would make her a nutcase.

10 posted on 12/05/2010 5:44:14 PM PST by humblegunner (Pablo is very wily)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think there is a very real possibility of a Bloomberg or Trump 3rd party run.

I see that as a very good thing for Sarah Palin. The race would look an awful lot like Rubio’s senate race in FL with Bloomberg or Trump splitting the liberal vote with Obama, allowing Palin to win.


11 posted on 12/05/2010 5:46:04 PM PST by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: Brilliant
Hmmmm ...

"There is only one way to stop it... Have Obama and Biden resign and let Boehner be President."

Brilliant !

12 posted on 12/05/2010 5:46:43 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is all pure unreasoned crap. Liberal masturbation. Bloomberg is a loser. He had to screw with the laws to win again.

This writer worked for DENNIS KUSINICH. That is the type of crack smoking lib he is. He states he is always right because he is a commie. How is that? Has he picked up a paper lately? I would like this dolt to point to the one successes this administration had using his progressive ideas.


13 posted on 12/05/2010 5:47:49 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: humblegunner

Palin Has Not Pushed Creation in Schools as Governor
http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080903/palin-has-not-pushed-creation-in-schools-as-governor/


14 posted on 12/05/2010 5:51:38 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Re: Gov. Sarah Palin: Even the lion has to defend himself against flies. ~German Proverb)
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To: oldfart

Interestingly my 88 year old mother does not like Sarah which strikes me as odd since she is strikingly conservative. My 91 dear old Dad thinks she is great.

I don’t see how she cannot be the nominee for 2012 unless something drastically changes in the next year.

Romney, Gingrich, Huckabee are retreads that just won’t put the ballots in the boxes for the primary wins. They won’t say the right things that the populace wants to hear today. They are politicians and they have to parse their words so they feel that they do not alienate anyone.

Palin doesn’t worry about alienating anyone, just telling it like she sees it to congregate the masses. That is the mood of the country that goes beyond active Tea Party members, hard-core conservatives and right-minded independents.

Mc Connell already jumped the shark on unemployment benefits and there is more to come in deficit spending that will put the establishment Pubbies against the citizenry that elected them and will be voting for president in 2012.

The retreads wont be able to stand up against the storm that will be brewing.


15 posted on 12/05/2010 5:52:14 PM PST by Misplaced Texan (July 4, 2009 - the first day of the 2nd Revolution!)
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To: Aria
Wait a minute...I thought it was the rats who were against integration. ???

They were. This fool is ignorant of the history of his own social movement, not only with regards to the Civil Rights Movement, but more importantly about the progressive drive for "eugenics" and birth control as a way of managing the numbers of what the Left thought to be "undesirables", i.e. blacks. In other words, the progressive left is steeped in a history of what can only be called slow genocide.

16 posted on 12/05/2010 5:53:08 PM PST by John Valentine
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

To your last question - it’s predicted because they hated Him (Christ) even before they hated us. It’s only going to get worse.


17 posted on 12/05/2010 5:53:45 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Lazlo in PA

Ditto


18 posted on 12/05/2010 5:54:16 PM PST by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: humblegunner
She has said on the subject, that while she doesn't think that it should be part of the ciriculum if it comes up....

PALIN: “Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. “Healthy debate is so important and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both. And you know, I say this too as the daughter of a science teacher. Growing up with being so privileged and blessed to be given a lot of information on, on both sides of the subject — creationism and evolution. It's been a healthy foundation for me. But don't be afraid of information and let kids debate both sides.”

She has said in her first book something along the lines of that she doesn't think evolution alone is sufficient to create mankind from an ape without the direction of God, or some such.

Not a very pro-science view for the daughter of a science teacher, but apparently the Alaskan GOP is very pro-Creationism and thinks it should be taught (despite such being patently unconstitutional).

19 posted on 12/05/2010 5:55:37 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Fleetwood:

When conservative forces in the south were arguing for separate but equal facilities for blacks during the civil rights struggle, does any version of history look back and exonerate the apes that held onto the conservative position? No!

Hey Idiot!

Those "conservatives" were democrats...AKA the KKK.

20 posted on 12/05/2010 5:55:41 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"You know why I am snob? Why I am elitist? Because liberals – or progressives are right. You are wrong. End of story. "

Enjoy that 9.8% unemployment, genius.

21 posted on 12/05/2010 5:56:47 PM PST by ari-freedom (Happy Chanuka!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“What do you think- two years out; whom do you see winning the Presidential election in 2012?”

Palin, hands down.


22 posted on 12/05/2010 5:56:49 PM PST by Gator113 (Sarah Palin can win, and she will win.)
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To: humblegunner

THat was from a fake blog that had a bunch of made up things that were supposed to be things that Sarah Palin said. She never said that or anything like it.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_Sarah_Palin_believe_that_dinosaurs_were_alive_4000_years_ago


23 posted on 12/05/2010 6:01:03 PM PST by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: humblegunner
That she thinks the earth is 6,000 years old?

Is that true, is that her belief?

Because, although I refuse to cheer-lead for her, I would certainly vote for her should she run & be nominated.

Unless she believes that load of bunk. That would make her a nutcase.

See how easy it is for the left to instill doubt?

One little lie tucked in an obscure article...

I know liberals who say this about any Christian...it's just another form of bigotry.

I've had it said about me. They love to mock people of faith with this canard, it really amuses them. (Pictures of Jesus riding Dinosaurs and stuff.)

This writer is intellectually vapid and couldn't think his way out of a paper bag...

24 posted on 12/05/2010 6:04:04 PM PST by t-dude (Sarah causes banal and vituperous evil snarks to shriek in horror!)
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To: humblegunner
If you are a Christian who believes in the Holy Bible, (you know, like Obama says he does), than you have to believe the Earth is only 6,000 Years Old. Sarah Palin is a Christian, therefore...

Do the math, or the Liberal thought process, to come to the Author's conclusions about Palin’s belief system.

Obviously, even though a Liberal claims to be a Christian, he does not really believe in its Biblical teachings. Sarah Palin is the obvious exception to the Liberal “Approved” Christian rule because she lives her life ruled by her beliefs.

It's kind of like the Kennedy's and the Pelosi’s of the world, Catholics all, being the ultimate protectors of Abortion Rights from Inception to the moment of Birth. In Obama’s case, he isn't quite sure that “birth” ends the practice of Abortion.

25 posted on 12/05/2010 6:08:09 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Obama, Pelosi and Reid, the Axis of Fascism.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Because the nuclear codes will then fall into the lap of a woman who thinks the earth is only 6 thousand years old...

I remember that this is exactly, almost word for word, what they said about Reagan.

26 posted on 12/05/2010 6:08:54 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (Had God not driven man from the Garden of Eden the Sierra Club surely would have.)
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To: Celtic Cross

>>Why is it that they can crudely ridicule our heart-felt beliefs with such alacrity, in the public eye, without eliciting any kind of censure?<<

Because few will look the baby-murdering, drug-addled, America-hating, Mohammedan-loving pedophiles in the eye and say it straight out. Ann Coulter does; Michele Malkin does it with a velvet glove and Governor Palin is learning how with a scapel.

Where are the men? Too busy at the coctail party with their “good friends across the aisle”.


27 posted on 12/05/2010 6:13:54 PM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: humblegunner
OTOH, I found this -

After conducting a college band and watching Palin deliver a commencement address to a small group of home-schooled students in June 1997, Wasilla resident Philip Munger said, he asked the young mayor about her religious beliefs. Palin told him that "dinosaurs and humans walked the Earth at the same time," Munger said. When he asked her about prehistoric fossils and tracks dating back millions of years, Palin said "she had seen pictures of human footprints inside the tracks," recalled Munger, who teaches music at the University of Alaska in Anchorage and has regularly criticized Palin in recent years on his liberal political blog, called Progressive Alaska.

I hope it turns out Munger can be discredited for everyone's sake.

FWIW, she is a member of the Assembly of God church in Wasilla.

28 posted on 12/05/2010 6:18:43 PM PST by muleskinner
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am not in love with Palin, as most FReepers appear to be, and I tend to be somewhat more moderate and practical politically than most here, but it will be a cold day in hell before I ever vote for someone like Bloomberg. From Dem to Rep to Ind, yet always staunchly leftist, the man represents the worst aspects of political s today. Again, I’m no fan of Palin, but if she gets the Rep nomination, I’ll vote for her.


29 posted on 12/05/2010 6:19:59 PM PST by Wolfstar (Welcome to the theater of the absurd, where every registered Republican is a "RINO.")
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To: NTHockey
Where are the men? Too busy at the coctail party with their “good friends across the aisle”.

HERE
30 posted on 12/05/2010 6:23:02 PM PST by ari-freedom (Happy Chanuka!)
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To: NTHockey

Well said!


31 posted on 12/05/2010 6:24:44 PM PST by Spudx7
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To: muleskinner

I honestly don’t know when the earth was formed. Neither does anyone else either. None of us were witnesses to it so we can only form theories based on whatever evidence we think is important.

I will say this though: I believe in God, who, by definition can do any damned thing He wants, even put together a universe in six days. Whether He did or not is the ultimate question that we have no answer for.

But I have seen those pictures of human footprints inside those of dinosaurs. Photoshopped? Maybe, but maybe not too.


32 posted on 12/05/2010 6:26:20 PM PST by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I would rather have Sarah Palin as President than the worse than Carter President that we have now. We don’t need a wishy washy kiss a**, who bows to other countries heads of state, & who wants to make the US a third world country. I trust Sarah more than I can throw the rest of the group who think they want to run for President in 2012 such as Huckabee & Gingrich.


33 posted on 12/05/2010 6:30:32 PM PST by jrcats (Sarah Palin's Alaska beats Obama's D.C. Disaster!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“Randian Regressives”?

Must be a typo. The author most likely meant “Randy and the Regressives”...an up and coming grunge band from Seattle.


34 posted on 12/05/2010 6:36:40 PM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: allmendream
"(despite such being patently unconstitutional)"

I didn't know Palin had the position that BOTH should be taught in the public schools.

That concerns me.

Should we also teach the Hindu version?

Religion should be taught at home, at church or at private schools...not the public schools.

35 posted on 12/05/2010 6:59:30 PM PST by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: Mariner

I agree. It is a troublesome position. Religious beliefs should not be taught in science class. Science should be taught in science class.


36 posted on 12/05/2010 7:33:05 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream
I agree. It is a troublesome position. Religious beliefs should not be taught in science class. Science should be taught in science class.

It takes far more faith to believe in a creation totally by evolution, than in a creation completed by a Loving God by whatever means he chose.

What you call science, is a theory chock full of holes.
37 posted on 12/05/2010 8:38:57 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

It takes evidence and theory to accept evolution, not faith. Faith is the evidence of things unseen. We can see the evidence for evolution.

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things unseen.

What I call science is what the rest of the world calls science, and what scientists call science, and it should be what is taught in science class.

Creationism isn’t science. It is a religious belief based on faith, but not evidence.


38 posted on 12/06/2010 4:09:19 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream

Evolution: The belief something came from nothing without any evidence.

Creation: The belief God is the Creator and supported by historical and scientific fact. And just common sense.


39 posted on 12/06/2010 4:24:39 AM PST by newfreep (Palin/DeMint 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: newfreep
Please attempt to learn something about what you are discussing.

Evolution is the change in a species over time through natural selection of genetic variation.

Common descent of species is the idea that all living things on Earth share common ancestry and changed through evolution.

Abiogenesis is the idea that life came from non-living material utilizing physical means.

Nothing in evolution says that something came from nothing.

The evidence for the common descent of species and evolutionary change through natural selection of genetic variation fills shelf after shelf in the library.

But maybe you don't “Do” libraries.

40 posted on 12/06/2010 4:30:18 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
I remember Condolesa Rice's speech at the rep. convention(spelled wrong and not in spell check).she said her family were all Republicans in the south as democrats would not allow *colored* people to join their party....That should have been shouted from the rooftops, but the MSM buried it...
41 posted on 12/06/2010 4:47:41 AM PST by goat granny
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To: allmendream

Sorry but your spinning of fictional beliefs is transparent.

Believing in the myth of evolution and the proverbial “Missing Link” is similar to believing in the myth of the homosexual gene. It simply does not exist and there goes your argument.

LOL - atheists are so gullible and lacking of innate common sense and wisdom.


42 posted on 12/06/2010 7:42:00 AM PST by newfreep (Palin/DeMint 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: newfreep
I am not an atheist, so your entire premise is flawed from the outset.

Evolution is a documented fact. Species do change over time under the influence of natural selection of genetic variation. It simply does exist, so there goes your argument based upon ignorance.

Creationists beliefs are the most common among the less educated segments of society. The more educated you are, the less likely you are to be a creationist.

43 posted on 12/06/2010 7:55:24 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream

But where is the proverbal “Missing Link” to prove your point?

Again, evolution is a belief without any scientific basis...just like the magic homosexual gene.

btw, I have an MBA and have been an adjunct professor & senior officer in a $400M organiztion.

You are the weakest link. Good bye!

LOL!


44 posted on 12/06/2010 8:01:40 AM PST by newfreep (Palin/DeMint 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: newfreep
Wow, your MBA must carry with it a plethora of scientific knowledge..... NOT.

What “missing link” do you want? There are thousands of non-human but human like fossils. Care to explain ANY of them?

You are weak, and greasy as a breakfast link.

Good bye!

45 posted on 12/06/2010 8:12:07 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream

Yikes! I must have hit a nerve with requesting the Missing Link and the homosexual pervert gene to support your mystical theory that rejects God.

For you to slander all Conservative Christian and Jews by accusing us of being stupid demonstrates the typical arrogance, elitism and intolerance of leftwingnuts.

I suggest you return to the bowels of DU!

Lindsey Gramnesty, is that you in your tutu? LOL!

What a maroon!


46 posted on 12/06/2010 8:29:25 AM PST by newfreep (Palin/DeMint 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: newfreep

Nothing in evolution rejects God.

I didn’t slander Conservative Christians and Jews by accusing you of being stupid. Being a creationist is not synonymous with being a conservative, and acceptance of a scientific theory doesn’t mean one is an atheist - but such idiocy is what your argument is reduced to.

I pointed out that the less educated segments of society are more likely to be Creationists. That is the truth. The more educated someone is, the less likely they are to be a Creationist.


47 posted on 12/06/2010 8:37:06 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; ...
Davis Fleetwood
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He knows nothing about history, clearly; and Fred Phelps and his fellow thugs are not conservatives, they're not even Christians; and the southern opponents of the Civil Rights Act were Democrats; liberals are not right, some are smug, all are dumb, self-righteous hypocrites; there's no such thing as a Progressive, because establishment of a single party state -- their only common denominator -- is not a progressive agenda. Thanks 2ndDivisionVet.
48 posted on 12/09/2010 5:21:51 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Brilliant

Don’t make Boehner cry!


49 posted on 12/15/2010 6:37:51 PM PST by CIDKauf (No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.)
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