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Dance, protests to mark 150 years since SC left US
WIS TV ^ | Dec 20, 2010

Posted on 12/20/2010 3:43:37 PM PST by Jet Jaguar

Exactly 150 years after South Carolina became the first state to leave the United States, a group whose purpose is to preserve Confederate history is holding a dance in Charleston.

The NAACP plans to protest Monday night's "Secession Ball." Leaders of the civil rights group have said it makes no sense to honor men who committed treason in order to maintain a system that kept black men and woman in bondage as slaves.

But organizers of the ball say their intention is to honor men who were willing to die to protect their vision of states' rights and what this nation was supposed to be.

The Secession Ball is happening just blocks from where 169 men voted unanimously 150 years ago to leave the United States.

A protest rally is scheduled for 4:30pm at Emanuel AME Church on Calhoun Street and the group will march past the Gaillard Auditorium to Morris Brown AME Church on Morris Street.

Meanwhile, a new historical marker will identify the site where South Carolina delegates signed the Ordinance of Secession. The marker was unveiled Monday in downtown Charleston, where Institute Hall once stood.

The marker identifies what was Charleston's largest pre-Civil War public space, with seats for 3,000 people. It hosted the 1860 Democratic national convention, which split when Southern delegates wanted to adopt a party platform protecting slavery.

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KEYWORDS: civilwar; confederacy; history; itsaboutslaverydummy; kukluxklan; partyofsecession; partyofslavery; proslaveryfreepers; secession; whitehoodscaucus; whitesupremacists
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1 posted on 12/20/2010 3:43:39 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jet Jaguar

The professional racists march on. And they keep making money at it....


2 posted on 12/20/2010 3:46:23 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Jet Jaguar

The professional racists march on. And they keep making money at it....


3 posted on 12/20/2010 3:46:25 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Jet Jaguar

The professional racists march on. And they keep making money at it....


4 posted on 12/20/2010 3:46:32 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Jet Jaguar

The naacp can pound sand.... to they think that they are the majority here? Well, they are NOT. South Carolina has a RIGHT to her history!


5 posted on 12/20/2010 3:46:56 PM PST by bareford101 (For me, there is no difference in a tolerant, open mind and a cess pool. Both are open to filth.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Calling one’s ancestors traitors probably is not going to sway folks.


6 posted on 12/20/2010 3:48:48 PM PST by JWinNC (www.anailinhisplace.net)
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To: Jet Jaguar
But organizers of the ball say their intention is to honor men who were willing to die to protect their vision of states' rights and what this nation was supposed to be.

Then why are they holding a secession ball? Many members of the secessionist political class stayed away from the fighting and profited greatly from the sacrifice of their more noble countrymen.

7 posted on 12/20/2010 3:49:57 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Jet Jaguar

I wonder if that historical marker will contain the entire text of South Carolina’s the Ordinance of Secession?

And if not, why not?


8 posted on 12/20/2010 3:50:09 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: Jet Jaguar

Oh boy....


9 posted on 12/20/2010 3:50:37 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Jet Jaguar
The NAACP plans to protest Monday night's "Secession Ball." Leaders of the civil rights group have said it makes no sense to honor men who committed treason in order to maintain a system that kept black men and woman in bondage as slaves.

Seems like most blacks traded one plantation for another. Now the slave foreman are black, so it is fair now.

10 posted on 12/20/2010 3:50:52 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: trumandogz
Here jack wagon at your request:

AN ORDINANCE to dissolve the union between the State of South Carolina and other States united with her under the compact entitled "The Constitution of the United States of America."

We, the people of the State of South Carolina, in convention assembled do declare and ordain, and it is hereby declared and ordained, That the ordinance adopted by us in convention on the twenty-third day of May, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-eight, whereby the Constitution of the United States of America was ratified, and also all acts and parts of acts of the General Assembly of this State ratifying amendments of the said Constitution, are hereby repealed; and that the union now subsisting between South Carolina and other States, under the name of the "United States of America," is hereby dissolved.

Done at Charleston the twentieth day of December, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty.

11 posted on 12/20/2010 3:53:57 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

The South should have freed the slaves and then voted to leave the Union. They would have won the war.


12 posted on 12/20/2010 3:58:38 PM PST by freemike (John Adams-Liberty must at all hazards be supported. We have a right to it, derived from our Maker)
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To: JWinNC
Calling one’s ancestors traitors probably is not going to sway folks.

It depends. The foolish gang of secessionists themselves deserve the title. Not so much for the humble farm boys who were presented with a difficult by stupid action of the politicians. My problem with the NAACP in these issues is that they too often fail to make the distinction. The Confederacy exploited and misused most working Southerners of both racers.

13 posted on 12/20/2010 3:58:53 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Jet Jaguar; 2A Patriot; 2nd amendment mama; 4everontheRight; 77Jimmy; A Strict Constructionist; ...
The NAACP will never be satisfied. They are already "boycotting" SC because we insist on flying the Confererate flag over the state capitol in Columbia. Now this...

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14 posted on 12/20/2010 4:02:00 PM PST by upchuck (When excerpting please use the entire 300 words we are allowed. No more one or two sentence posts!)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Don’t they need to go protest the gang-related slaying of an innocent baby in some hood and leave people alone who aren’t bothering them? I hope they play “Dixie” at the dance!


15 posted on 12/20/2010 4:13:02 PM PST by mrsmel
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Well said. I never got why people fetishize treason. The whole point is that our political process can handle these issues. Though if someone pines for running a cotton plantation in a place with slavery and a weak central government, they could always move to Nigeria...


16 posted on 12/20/2010 4:18:10 PM PST by socalgop
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To: upchuck

They claimed they would boycott Mississippi if we voted to keep our flag. Which we did, it’s now the official state flag. When they first threatened us with that particular blackmail, we told them “Go right ahead.” At least where I live, I can’t see any signs of boycott. That’s one good thing about being a poor state. You don’t have much to lose when threatened with economic blackmail anyway, makes it easy to stand on principle. Not that standing on principle should ever be the difficult choice. But like the song says, “freedom just means nothing left to lose” at least for us.


17 posted on 12/20/2010 4:18:48 PM PST by mrsmel
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To: socalgop
The whole point is that our political process can handle these issues.

The "political process" has brought the republic to the brink of destruction. Some solutions are not political in nature. Look at the basket case you live in Kalifornication. Your vote means nothing there and you are just a pathetic pimple here too.

and a weak central government,

What you are saying is that you don't believe in the republic as founded by the original signers of the Constitution. You know what, screw that. Go back to your whine and cheese party and come back when you get a clue.

18 posted on 12/20/2010 4:28:00 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I see you are a Lincoln hagiophile. I myself don’t hold Ol’ Abe in quite such high esteem.


19 posted on 12/20/2010 4:34:52 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: central_va

Bravo. You are correct. Some people do not have a clue.


20 posted on 12/20/2010 4:37:29 PM PST by MamaB
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To: central_va

Tell it, brother!


21 posted on 12/20/2010 4:37:59 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ought-six

I think that Lincoln is, along with Reagan, only a little behind Washington as the best president we’ve ever had while Jeff Davis is competing with Obama and Carter for the title of most incompetent Democrat ever.


22 posted on 12/20/2010 4:39:23 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: ought-six
I want my country back!


23 posted on 12/20/2010 4:39:57 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va; socalgop

I’d rather be a small pimple than a huge festering boil like you vag. Don’t you have some homophobia to go work out?


24 posted on 12/20/2010 4:40:09 PM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: mrsmel
Did you know that a small MS high school has one of the best solar cars programs in the country. They have won race after race and even went to Australia to compete. The school has a boys team and a girls team. Search for Sundancer solar car.
25 posted on 12/20/2010 4:41:36 PM PST by MamaB
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To: MamaB

Thanks, I’ll look that up :)


26 posted on 12/20/2010 4:43:10 PM PST by mrsmel
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To: rockrr

Not wanting anal astronauts infesting the US Armed forces does not make me homophobic. For instance you probably fornicate with your guitar every night and that behavior, while strange, is no business of mine.


27 posted on 12/20/2010 4:44:30 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: ought-six
After John Wilkes Booth was shot at Garrett's farm on April 26, 1865, Colonel Everton Conger removed a small red appointment book from Booth's body.  The book, which served as Booth's diary, contained a final diary entry, written after the April 14 assassination:
Until today nothing was ever thought of sacrificing to our country's wrongs. For six months we had  worked to capture, but our cause being almost lost, something decisive and great must be done. But its failure was owing to others, who did not strike for their country with a heart. I struck boldly, and not as the papers say. I walked with a firm step through a thousand of his friends, was stopped, but pushed on.  A colonel was at his side. I shouted Sic semper before I fired. In jumping broke my leg. I passed all his pickets, rode sixty miles that night with the bone of my leg tearing the flesh at every jump. I can never repent it, though we hated to kill. Our country owed all her troubles to him, and God simply made me the instrument of his punishment. The country is not what it was. This forced Union is not what I have loved. I care not what becomes of me. I have no desire to outlive my country. The night before the deed I wrote a long article and left it for one of the editors of the National Intelligencer, in which I fully set forth our reasons for our proceedings. He or the gov'r-

After being hunted like a dog through swamps, woods, and last night being chased by gunboats till I was forced to return wet, cold, and starving, with every man's hand against me, I am here in despair. And  why? For doing what Brutus was honored for. What made Tell a hero? And yet I, for striking down a greater tyrant than they ever knew, am looked upon as a common cutthroat. My action was purer than either of theirs. One hoped to be great himself. The other had not only his country's but his own, wrongs to avenge. I hoped for no gain. I knew no private wrong. I struck for my country and that alone. A country that groaned beneath this tyranny, and prayed for this end, and yet now behold the cold hands they extend to me. God cannot pardon me if I have done wrong. Yet I cannot see my wrong, except in serving a degenerate people. The little, the very little, I left behind to clear my name, the Government will not allow to be printed. So ends all. For my country I have given up all that makes life sweet and holy, brought misery upon my family, and am sure there is no pardon in the Heaven for me, since man condemns me so. I have only heard of what has been done (except what I did myself), and it fills me with horror. God, try and forgive me, and bless my mother. Tonight I will once more try the river with the intent to cross. Though I have a greater desire and almost a mind to return to Washington, and in a measure clear my name - which I feel I can do. I do not repent the blow I struck. I may before my God,  but not to man. I think I have done well. Though I am abandoned, with the curse of Cain upon me,  when, if the world knew my heart, that one blow would have made me great, though I did desire no greatness. Tonight I try to escape these bloodhounds once more. Who, who can read his fate? God's will  be done. I have too great a soul to die like a criminal. Oh, may He, may He spare me that, and let me die bravely. I bless the entire world. Have never hated or wronged anyone. This last was not a wrong, unless God deems it so, and it's with Him to damn or bless me. As for this brave boy with me, who often prays (yes, before and since) with a true and sincere heart - was it crime in him? If so, why can he pray the same?

I do not wish to shed a drop of blood, but 'I must fight the course.' 'Tis all that's left to me.


28 posted on 12/20/2010 4:45:15 PM PST by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Treason? Well they have removed all doubt now.This coming from a bunch of hyphinated Americans communists.


29 posted on 12/20/2010 4:47:43 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: central_va

Maybe, maybe not. But crashing and bashing around on the ‘trollin for homo’ threads and attacking anyone who isn’t as simple-minded as you definitely qualifies as homophobic.


30 posted on 12/20/2010 4:51:04 PM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: Rome2000

So not only was he a monster but he was a drama queen to boot. Nice.


31 posted on 12/20/2010 4:53:06 PM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: rockrr
reads and attacking anyone who isn’t as simple-minded as you definitely qualifies as homophobic.

Would Jim Robinson be in that group of the simple minded, as you put it?

32 posted on 12/20/2010 4:53:23 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

California’s going to have to go bankrupt and shed its union benefits liabilities before anything gets better.

I’m all for federalism, but the structure of government has to change to accmoodate new realities. I guess i’m a Burkean conservative in that respect - change is inevitable, and it should be done as cautiously, slowly and unwillingly as possible, with an eye towards keeping what’s best of existing traditions.

As to the central government point - this is a question as to which much ink has been spilled. I don’t think the constitution contemplated secession. I’m sure I don’t have the exact understanding of “the founders” - but given that the founders were riven between federalists and anti-federalists, i’m not sure what understanding you are referring to. For example, looking at what had happened elsewhere, the founding fathers realized the political problems posed by a standing army outside of wartime. The constitutional requirement to re-appropriate funds every two years was initially thought of as a stumbling block for us turning into something like Napoleonic France. I can’t imagine us winning the cold war if we were to have disbanded our standing army ~23 times between 1946 and 1992.


33 posted on 12/20/2010 4:58:21 PM PST by socalgop
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To: freemike

No, they wouldn’t have won. The North had the technology, factories and supply lines and the South had something that the North wanted.

Imho, the Civil War was more about money than anything else. Ending slavery was used as the “cause” and is a great outcome, but ultimately, like every war, it was about power and money.


34 posted on 12/20/2010 4:58:34 PM PST by khnyny (What exactly is a CDO??)
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To: rockrr
ho·mo·pho·bi·a n.

1. Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men.

2. Behavior based on such a feeling.

I do not fear them or their sycophants, I do not alter my behavior because of them, although I have never been around you personally. So I don't fit the definition.

35 posted on 12/20/2010 4:59:58 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
And four days later, on Christmas Eve, those same persons declared, that the primary reason for leaving the Union was so that the people of South Carolina could continue to keep human beings as mere property.

Are you proud of that?

36 posted on 12/20/2010 5:03:28 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Reagan and Washington, yes; Lincoln, most definitely NO! Jeff Davis was an honorable man, but never should have been elected president of the CSA; he was not up to the task.


37 posted on 12/20/2010 5:06:55 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Alvin Greene Theme

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6e-1FKgwJQ


38 posted on 12/20/2010 5:08:15 PM PST by luckybogey
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To: socalgop
I’m all for federalism, but the structure of government has to change to accmoodate[sic] new realities.

The human condition has not changed. Don't confuse a change in technology with a huge change in human psycho-development. The more things change the more they stay the same. To think differently is the statist's snare.

History has shown again and again that a republic is the strongest form of government there is. Why? because it's citizens have more to lose in a war. The CSA started from scratch and formed an Army of 200,000 in 5 weeks. Not bad for a republic.

The main problem with true republic is that they look weaker than they really are and conversely centralized authoritarian governments look stronger than they really are. Leading to war.

39 posted on 12/20/2010 5:09:43 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: luckybogey

South Carolina
Theatrical Performance and Secession Ball
Gaillard Auditorium Charleston, SC

Schedule of Events & Menu

December 20th, 2010
Schedule

• 6pm- 6:45 Sponsors mint julep/champagne private visit with the Ordinance
• 6:30 - 7 pm guests are seated for Performance
• 7:15 pm - 8:00 pm - Theatrical Performance
• 8:00 pm - Bars open, event opens
• 8:10 pm - Welcome and Blessing
• 8:15 - 9:15 pm - guests mingle at food stations
• Band plays dinner music
• 9:15 pm - 9:45 pm - Special presentations/ band takes break
• 9:45 pm - Band kicks it up for dancing
• 11: 30 pm - Event Ends

Menu

Coastal Display, Pickled Vegetables, Carolina Crab Dip, Crispy Flatbread, Ham Biscuits

Beef Tenderloin, Fingerling Potatoes
Sautéed Local Vegetables - Port Wine Reduction

Grilled Chicken Breast, Honey Braised Candied Yams
Parsnips, Turnips, Pomegranate Balsamic Glaze

Shrimp & Grits, Andouille Sausages, Bacon
White Wine Butter Sauce

Lowcountry Beignets, Apple Crumble Pie, Bourbon Chocolate Pie

Dress Code: “ Modern black tie, Period formal, or pre-war militia. Ladies formal modern or period.”

http://www.scsecessiongala.org/index.html


40 posted on 12/20/2010 5:11:41 PM PST by luckybogey
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To: trumandogz

I am very proud that they stood up for states rights, whether you or I or anyone else like or dislikes the reason given for leaving is no concern of yours or mine but only of the citizens of that state. To think otherwise makes you a fascist. Are you a fascist?


41 posted on 12/20/2010 5:12:55 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Rome2000

I am surprised Wilkes Booth had the time and the wherewithal to write anything at all after Ford’s Theater. In any event, his was a very tortured soul.


42 posted on 12/20/2010 5:16:50 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: central_va

The reason for leaving the Union is of consequence. And the only reason provided in the “Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union” was that their ability to own humans as slaves was threatened by the election of Lincoln.

And they made that declaration on Christmas Eve.


43 posted on 12/20/2010 5:22:39 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: central_va

At first I thought you were making words up again, but sure enough there is a definition for “homophobian”:

A closeted homosexual who makes fun of homos to mask his or her own homosexuality. Homophobians like to use the words fag, faggot, gay, queer, homo, and other funny words.

Yep, that’s you alright.


44 posted on 12/20/2010 5:32:58 PM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: upchuck
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45 posted on 12/20/2010 5:33:37 PM PST by stylecouncilor (What Would Jim Thompson Do?)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Leaders of the civil rights group have said it makes no sense to honor men who committed treason in order to maintain a system that kept black men and woman in bondage as slaves.

Then they need to shut down Congress and clear the traitor out of the White House!

46 posted on 12/20/2010 5:34:44 PM PST by southernsunshine
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To: ought-six

jeff davis - the original “selected, not elected ‘president’” LOL


47 posted on 12/20/2010 5:38:19 PM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: freemike
I was aware of today's sesquicentennial and was wondering if it was going to be commemorated at all.

The old saying about South Carolina was that it was too small to be a nation and too large for an insane asylum. They tended to produce the most extreme pro-slavery politicians in the antebellum period.

I read somewhere that the very first week of the 1st Congress in 1789, a representative from South Carolina threatened to secede. So they don't seem to have thought that their ratification of the Constitution was an irrevocable step.

If it had not been for secession and the Civil War, slavery would have continued for decades more, at least. Even the Republican Party in 1860 did not assert the right to interfere with slavery where it was already established.

48 posted on 12/20/2010 5:39:49 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: khnyny
...and the South had something that the North wanted.

Imho, the Civil War was more about money than anything else. Ending slavery was used as the “cause” and is a great outcome, but ultimately, like every war, it was about power and money.

EXACTLY!

49 posted on 12/20/2010 5:40:48 PM PST by southernsunshine
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To: mrsmel

The situation here in SC is much the same. The NAACP made a lot of noise but have been a paper tiger. I’ve not heard of any adverse effect from their supposed boycott.


50 posted on 12/20/2010 5:46:22 PM PST by upchuck (When excerpting please use the entire 300 words we are allowed. No more one or two sentence posts!)
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