Posted on 12/27/2010 10:31:54 AM PST by trumandogz
Aren't you overlooking one part of that equation? The buyers? Without demand for slaves those slave ships would never have left port.
Yes, let’s just stop spinning it, the 3/5ths Compromise, so ignorantly attributed to “racist” southerners and demagogued to infinity, was a compromise insisted upon by northern interests, who did not want slaves counted as fully human in order to prevent Congressional reapportionment from shifting political power to the south.
Why would they want slaves counted the same as a free person? They were property in the South, not people. They had no more rights than a horse or a cow did. For the Southerners to demand that their chattel was entitled to representation was the height of hypocrisy. The 3/5ths clause still gave the South a disproportionate level of representation in the House.
My goodness, we've got a live one here, zooming back in his wacky little wayback machine freighted with modern biases and assuming anachronistically that everybody had voting rights in the antebellum era.
Who had voting rights and who did not, trumandogz? And, why? Did noncitizens? Did women? Did the newly naturalized? Did even the unlanded, owning no property, in many instances? What were people living under bondage in your mind trumandogz, citizens? Was this a uniquely southern American concept, in all the world? Where did it come from and who practiced it? And, when and where has it fully and finally been put to an end?
Your strange skewing of history via the lense of current law and societal taboo is known as "historicism," and while you're not alone, you're one of the primary purveyors of such on FR. You'll continue to not have a clue so long as you continue on your Quixotic way in believing this garbage.
0”More yankee revisionist history’’. So what’s ‘’revisionist’’, the South didn’t lose?
You may be a Yankee by birth but you got that good ole rebel spine in ya.
Funny, The Illinois Butcher™ pretty much held those very same sentiments.
No need to whitewash history. Simply, good guys won, bad guys lost.
The Union, the US, went on to secure liberty across the globe on many different occassions.
Last week, it was an early Christmas present...
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To: Non-Sequitur
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2,147 posted on Tuesday, December 21, 2010 4:29:15 PM by Jim Robinson
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2644629/posts?page=2147#2147
Yep, if this is the case then why weren’t the slaves emancipated in 1861?
Your idea of a "Free Republic" is a hell of a lot different than mine.
Overlooking? No, there were buyers scattered up and down the colonies and then the states. The south was a far more agrarian region and so the presence of and dependence upon slavery was much more prevalent there.
Please don't tell me you suppose slaves were only in the south. That's just ignorant.
They were property in the South, not people.
... and apparently in the north as well, otherwise there would have been no debate placing moneygrubbing and politics over the very humanity of slaves.
They had no more rights than a horse or a cow did. For the Southerners to demand that their chattel was entitled to representation was the height of hypocrisy. The 3/5ths clause still gave the South a disproportionate level of representation in the House.
So, let's just chalk Freeper Drennan Whyte up in the "not human at all" category, then. Can't have "disproportionate" levels of representation based upon nonhumans. /sarc
That looks like a good three to five inches of global warming y’all got there.
Your idea of a “Free Republic” is a hell of a lot different than mine.
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They’ve been spinning it since they sent their teachers south right after the war along with their rather forceful way of making southerners go by their way of life, or even can’t fly that flag bla bla.
Now remind me again who is fighting the war still?
That was the position of the Southern representatives to the Constitutional convention. That was the position of the Southern population up to, through, and in many cases after the Civil War was over. The whole Southern society was built on a master race concept and the ownership of other human beings. Does your condemnation extend to them as well?
And what exactly IS YOUR point?
Slavery and the right to own slaves was protected by LAW.
A law the North agreed to.
If I owned 50,000 dollars in property, and was threatened with losing it, I would be p*ssed and ready to kick butt!
With that being said, that was not the only reason. The North and South don’t see eye to eye on most issues, even today! It was no better in 1861.
NOT indeed! LOL! You got that right Brother! :)
civil war means two sides fighting to take over Govt and a country.
I do believe that the south never wanted to have control of the north infact they wanted their own independence and not be ruled by DC.
I guess that the correct term for the war would be war of independence or maybe the war between the states etc, . Civil war nah
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