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WE'RE ALL BIRTHERS NOW: The Long-Form Obama Birth Certificate DOES NOT EXIST
Reaganite Republican ^ | January 26, 2011 | Reaganite Republican

Posted on 01/26/2011 5:57:29 AM PST by Reaganite Republican

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To: butterdezillion
The HDOH claims they can’t give any information about WHAT birth index their index data for Obama is from. Not even whether it was from the Delayed Birth Certificate, Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, or pending index.

It can't be any of the latter because we know his birth was registered when he was 4 days old. Certificates of Hawaiian Birth were only issued to people who hadn't had their births registered by age 1. Delayed Birth Certificaes were only issued to people whose births were registered 30 days or more after the fact. And finally, there is no such thing as a "pending" index.

That leaves only one possibility...Obama must have a standard BC and the index entry is for a standard BC.

101 posted on 01/26/2011 10:34:00 AM PST by curiosity
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To: Helotes
His name is on the graduation program at Columbia. The university verified that he did, in fact, obtain a degree there. There is an opinion piece by him in the student newspaper from the time he was attending. Occidental also verified his dates of attendance. Classmates from both schools have confirmed they knew him as students.

There's no way he would have been allowed to take the bar exam or teach law school classes without proving he had a law degree.

You're really searching for a coverup where none exists.

102 posted on 01/26/2011 10:37:05 AM PST by curiosity
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To: curiosity

That is a good possibility.


103 posted on 01/26/2011 10:41:45 AM PST by Dante3
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To: curiosity

Let me understand your position ... you say they are both telling the truth, so that means there was an original birth certificate on file at HI State Dept of Health in late July 2009, but it’s not there in early January, 2011?

Is the HI State Dept of Health that sloppy? Vital records, appropriately named, are critical and a major responsibility of the state agencies nationwide that are entrusted with them. How could they possibly have lost a 50 year old record in 1.5 years’ time? That is incredible incompetence, and heads should roll.


104 posted on 01/26/2011 10:56:04 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: curiosity

Let me understand your position ... you say they are both telling the truth, so that means there was an original birth certificate on file at HI State Dept of Health in late July 2009, but it’s not there in early January, 2011?

Is the HI State Dept of Health that sloppy? Vital records, appropriately named, are critical and a major responsibility of the state agencies nationwide that are entrusted with them. How could they possibly have lost a 50 year old record in 1.5 years’ time? That is incredible incompetence, and heads should roll.


105 posted on 01/26/2011 10:56:10 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: butterdezillion
Butter.....have you read this?

Questions for Speaker Boehner

Do you know that the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 requires that:

All employees, citizens and noncitizens, hired after November 6, 1986 and working in the United States must complete a Form I-9, Employment Eligibility Verification.

Is there any exception made in that law for any occupation, including President?

Is Obama an employee, hired after November 6, 1986 and working in the United States?

Do you know whether or not Obama is in compliance with current Immigration law? Do you know whether or not Obama has completed a Form I-9, Employment Eligibility Verification, and if so, what documents he used as proof of his employment eligibility?

Do you realize that the Form I-9 is very specific about what documents are acceptable?

106 posted on 01/26/2011 10:56:22 AM PST by Electric Graffiti (I'm armed and Amish.)
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To: Dryman

“FREE THE LONG FORM!”

You may have to put that in Swahili too....;)


107 posted on 01/26/2011 10:57:50 AM PST by Electric Graffiti (I'm armed and Amish.)
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To: EDINVA
Let me understand your position ... you say they are both telling the truth, so that means there was an original birth certificate on file at HI State Dept of Health in late July 2009, but it’s not there in early January, 2011?

It was there then, and it's there now. What makes you think it isn't?

108 posted on 01/26/2011 11:03:55 AM PST by curiosity
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To: curiosity

Granny filed a birth record for Barry in Hawaii with no documentation because her wayward daughter was off in Kenya squeezing the little demon seed out. Granny was hoping Stanely-ann would return to Hawaii with further legal documentation to establish Barry as a US citizen. She never did. Probably never cared.

That’s why there was index data for Obama from the HDOH. A note in Granny Toot’s hand-writing saying, “Her daughter gave birth to a son, Barack Hussein Obama II. Further documents to come. Stop.”

If Stanely Ann gave birth in a hospital in the states, Granny Toots would have been spared the trouble. Little Barry would legally be on file as a citizen in some state.

This is the only thing Abercrombie found. What fried Abercrombie’s 3 remaining braincells is the discovery of an amendment that included his OWN House Resolution 593 declaring “Barack Obama Born in Hawaii.” -— The Sum total of Obama’s vital records.

Stanely Ann, if she gave birth in a hospital overseas, never procured any legal documentation for Barry. She didn’t care....She hated Sr. and hated the fact that Barry reminded her of him.

From everything I’ve read about S. Ann she was a real abusive pyschopathic bitch. Which is why she dumped Barry on her parents while she trolloped around.

Which brings us full circle.....He’s our first illegal alien ‘President’

Curosity killed the cat by boning it to death.


109 posted on 01/26/2011 11:06:31 AM PST by Electric Graffiti (I'm armed and Amish.)
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To: curiosity

We don’t know anything.

The claim that the HDOH had any documents as of Aug 8, 1961 is from an online image that the HDOH has already indirectly confirmed in 2 different ways as a forgery.

When Leo Donofrio made a request for documents they had used to pub Aug 8, 1961 on the COLB (assuming it to be genuine) he received conflicting responses, with the latest response unclear on whether it was a Glomarized response. I asked the OIP to clarify what kind of language would make up a Glomarized response and they refused to answer. As I read it, it looks like a Glomarized response.

But even if it wasn’t a Glomarized response and they actually had records in their office before Aug 9, 1961, that still doesn’t say WHAT records they had then.

And if the HDOH has everything they seem to be saying they have, then why is Abercrombie having so many troubles coming up with anything? A written note in the archives? Why would there be a written note in the archives? Why would there NOT be a birth certificate in the HDOH office - if everything the HDOH and Fukino have said thus far are taken at face value?


110 posted on 01/26/2011 11:13:39 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: curiosity

Because Abercrombie said there is a recording of Obama’s birth, it’s actually written down, it’s in the archives...

Why would anything be in the archives? The place it’s supposed to be, if it exists, is in the HDOH office. Why didn’t Abercrombie say it was in the HDOH office right where Fukino had looked when she saw it?


111 posted on 01/26/2011 11:17:00 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: TheCipher

Thanks for the link. If anyone has anything from Harvard or Columbia, please share with us.


112 posted on 01/26/2011 11:29:09 AM PST by DrDude
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To: butterdezillion
Because Abercrombie said there is a recording of Obama’s birth, it’s actually written down, it’s in the archives...

What makes you think he's not referring to an original birth certificate? A BC is a record, and it contains information that is written down.

Why would anything be in the archives?

Because the word "archives," in the vernacular, is a generic term referring to a place where old documents, such as a BC from 1961, are stored.

113 posted on 01/26/2011 11:33:58 AM PST by curiosity
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To: butterdezillion
There is already a transaction log for Obama’s passport records that we know has been illegally accessed at least 3 times - which was allowable because somebody high up in John Brennan’s company specifically disabled the security protocols just during the times that those 3 breaches happened. John Brennan was immediately appointed as National Security Chief after the election. The investigation of those breaches, under the watchful eye of Joe Biden (who Obama offered a VP job) has been heavily redacted and Condi Rice has said there are NOT assurances that the records are accurate.

And didn't a witness lose his life over it?

Wow, it looks like Obama DID create jobs! Great jobs! For everyone who helped him cover up his secrets.

114 posted on 01/26/2011 11:41:41 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: curiosity

Abercrombie purportedly told a (long time) friend that there’s no there there. Thereafter, the AG announced that because of privacy laws, the actual birth certificate could not be released. There are “notes” in the “archives.”

We can question ‘friends’ and online postings, but that can be said also of the COLB posted by the Obama campaign.

Producing a birth certificate is no big deal, and not too much to ask of any individual who wishes to serve as President of the United States, Commander in Chief of its Armed Forces, occupant of the Oval Office and White House, and primary passenger on Air Force One and Marine One. That position, its perks and security, costs the U.S. taxpayers in the billions of dollars and authorizes the holder to send our sons and daughters into harm’s way. We have a right to know that the office holder is eligible.

I, for one don’t even believe the birth certificate alone establishes eligibility. However, it is not “birthers” who are dragging this whole issue out, it’s the individual who has barred everyone, including long time family friend Abercrombie, from releasing his birth certificate and all records of his past history.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvrb7YqdvxE

http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailycaller/20110125/pl_dailycaller/friendsayshawaiigovneilabercrombietoldhimthereisnoobamabirthcertificate_1

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/01/friend_says_abercrombie_to_him.html


115 posted on 01/26/2011 11:42:54 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: Conan the Conservative
Before we get over excited, this guy is just an election official, not an official from the Office of Records.

The Governor of Hawaii also says it doesn't exist.

The fact that he has sworn that someone told him something is not proof.

The fact that 0bama posted a phony BC is not proof that he is a natural born citizen.
116 posted on 01/26/2011 11:45:06 AM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: TheCipher

The poems mentioned that Obama had published in the Oxy journal include the one about “Pops,” with its gay sexual references.

What we would like to know, Occidental, is whether or not our President applied to your school as an American!


117 posted on 01/26/2011 11:49:17 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: EDINVA; curiosity
However, it is not “birthers” who are dragging this whole issue out, it’s the individual who has barred everyone, including long time family friend Abercrombie, from releasing his birth certificate and all records of his past history.

Yes. It is now obvious that A) there is no Hawaiian long form original BC and B) Obama knew this all along, and has been "playing" the American people.

He has not proven his eligibility, and Nancy Pelosi and others have had to go on the line and perjure themselves for him.

If you have not been proven eligible for the highest office of the land, you are INELIGIBLE.

118 posted on 01/26/2011 11:52:46 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: Brown Deer

“The Governor of Hawaii also says it doesn’t exist.”

Did you hear the Governor himself say that? I heard him say that he couldn’t find it, not that it didn’t exist. I don’t put much faith in 3rd party reports about what someone says.


119 posted on 01/26/2011 12:10:03 PM PST by Conan the Conservative (Crush the liberals, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the hippies.)
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To: Conan the Conservative

I put a lot more faith in reputable 3rd party reports coming from close friends, than in anything that comes from zero.


120 posted on 01/26/2011 12:22:23 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: curiosity

Why didn’t Abercrombie say he had found the birth certificate?


121 posted on 01/26/2011 12:29:36 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Conan the Conservative

How about official communications from officials who accidentally reveal that what they have for Obama is not legally valid?


122 posted on 01/26/2011 12:32:11 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: curiosity
Ever consider the possibility that he enjoys the controversy, as it keeps his opponents distracted?

Of course not, curiosity. No one here is capable of harboring such a deep, impenetrable thought.

Don't you know all Birthers are dumbasses, ripe for being played like fiddles by their intellectually superior socialist overlords while Internet trolls mock their brainpower?

123 posted on 01/26/2011 12:51:24 PM PST by Chunga (Go, Sarah, GO!! - Jim Robinson)
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To: Chunga

Dang! Now I am distracted.

Guess I’ll never have time now to notice Obama is destroying America !!!


124 posted on 01/26/2011 12:55:10 PM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: curiosity

In most states the short form BC is an abreviated version of the long form BC, but in Hawaii it may or may not be an abreviated version of a long form birth certificate. Those born in foreign countries could obtain a short form Hawaiian Birth certificate. Hawaii is different in this regard to other states. The Hawaiian statutes have been posted in this forum and others numerous times and may even be available currently on their own website. While a birth was announced in the Hawaiian newspaper, any grandparent or relative could have called the newspaper and requested this announcement just like countless other grandparents did when their grandchildren were born out of state, so others in their town would know they had become grandparents. This was quite popular to do in the 1950’s and 1960’s and most newspapers would do it for free. Also there are at least two different short form birth certificates that have been posted, one on Obama’s website and the other on the daily KOS, and both have been found by forensic experts to be forged documents. There is just too much conflicting information out there for me to be able to know for certain just where he was born.

That said, I grew up in the 1960’s and I was taught about the “natural born citizen clause” at three different schools I attended. I was taught that in order two be a “natural born citizen” you had to be born in the United States and have two parents that were citizens at the time of your birth. Since Obama claims his father was born in Kenya and was a British subject, Obama would not be a “natural born citizen”. Furthermore under the law in existence when Obama was born his mother could not have conferred U.S. citizenship on her son if he was born outside of the United states as Obaman’s Kenyan grandmother has attested.


125 posted on 01/26/2011 1:09:31 PM PST by Flamenco Lady
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To: Flamenco Lady
In most states the short form BC is an abreviated version of the long form BC, but in Hawaii it may or may not be an abreviated version of a long form birth certificate.

When there's a long form on file, it's always just an abbreviated version of the long form.

Those born in foreign countries could obtain a short form Hawaiian Birth certificate.

Not in 1961. The law you are referring to wasn't passed until 1982.

While a birth was announced in the Hawaiian newspaper, any grandparent or relative could have called the newspaper and requested this announcement just like countless other grandparents did when their grandchildren were born out of state, so others in their town would know they had become grandparents.

Incorrect. The Hawaii papers affirmed that they only published birth announcements based on information they received directly from the Health Department (called Health Bureau in those days).

This was quite popular to do in the 1950’s and 1960’s and most newspapers would do it for free.

Not the Hawaii papers that announced Bambi's birth.

Also there are at least two different short form birth certificates that have been posted, one on Obama’s website and the other on the daily KOS,

Nope. It was the same document.

and both have been found by forensic experts to be forged documents.M

Wrong again.

That said, I grew up in the 1960’s and I was taught about the “natural born citizen clause” at three different schools I attended. I was taught that in order two be a “natural born citizen” you had to be born in the United States and have two parents that were citizens at the time of your birth.

You either have a bad memory or you are lying. From the time of the Kim Wong Ark decision until Nov. of 2008, no one used that definition in the United States.

126 posted on 01/26/2011 1:56:40 PM PST by curiosity
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To: EDINVA
Abercrombie purportedly told a (long time) friend that there’s no there there.

I don't believe you. Have you got a source?

We can question ‘friends’ and online postings, but that can be said also of the COLB posted by the Obama campaign.

However, the same cannot be said by an official statement from the last Hawaii public health director stating, in no uncertain terms, that there is a long form on record.

Producing a birth certificate is no big deal, and not too much to ask of any individual who wishes to serve as President of the United States, Commander in Chief of its Armed Forces, occupant of the Oval Office and White House, and primary passenger on Air Force One and Marine One. That position, its perks and security, costs the U.S. taxpayers in the billions of dollars and authorizes the holder to send our sons and daughters into harm’s way. We have a right to know that the office holder is eligible.

The COLB and the statements by Hawaii officals already prove he is eligible.

127 posted on 01/26/2011 2:00:32 PM PST by curiosity
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To: butterdezillion
Why didn’t Abercrombie say he had found the birth certificate?

To mess with your mind and encourage more conspiracy theorizing.

128 posted on 01/26/2011 2:01:51 PM PST by curiosity
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To: Conan the Conservative
Did you hear the Governor himself say that? I heard him say that he couldn’t find it

He didn't say that, either. Yet another birther myth has been born.

129 posted on 01/26/2011 2:02:50 PM PST by curiosity
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To: Dryman

COUGH IT UP, Barry Soweto~!


130 posted on 01/26/2011 2:04:27 PM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: Yaelle
It is now obvious that A) there is no Hawaiian long form original BC and B) Obama knew this all along, and has been "playing" the American people.

Given that the previous health director explictly said the long form was in the state's records, I'd say you are wrong.

If you have not been proven eligible for the highest office of the land, you are INELIGIBLE.

The COLB he posted, along with the corroborating statements from the previous Hawaii public health director, are all sufficient to prove his eligibility.

131 posted on 01/26/2011 2:05:32 PM PST by curiosity
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To: Rashputin

Each manual typewriter has its own indivdual characteristics. They’d have to find one of the typewriters in use in the HI DoH at that time, not just the same make or style, but one of the exact ones that was in use.

Plus every file, archive, ledger and so on would have to be “fixed”.

Not very likely.


132 posted on 01/26/2011 2:07:09 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: curiosity

We shouldn’t have to scrape up his old college buddies to find out if he actually attended school in the first place!

Obama invites all this with the unprecedented secrecy surrounding his background- be it BC, school records, passport records, what have you. That- and a habitual dishonesty that’s really quite unsettling, when you consider this guy can send your son off to get killed.

Those asking questions have every right to... I just wish a few more had asked some in October 2008 instead of now


133 posted on 01/26/2011 2:09:17 PM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: curiosity

You’re either being paid, or you forgot/OD’ed on your meds.

No other explanation.


134 posted on 01/26/2011 2:20:47 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: curiosity

Serious? One official says she has seen it, and that is good enough for you? Are you voting for Rahm for mayor of Chicago too?

And you believe that COLB? It’s fraudulent. I am not sure of the reason it’s fraudulent, but it’s apparent that his friend the new Gov could NOT find a real BC, so where would the short form come from? There is talk now that he was adopted by Soetoro and perhaps there is something in the archives about Barry Soetoro, not Barack Obama? I don’t know. But there is extensive proof online that the COLB is not legit.


135 posted on 01/26/2011 2:42:15 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Flamenco Lady
I was taught that in order two be a “natural born citizen” you had to be born in the United States and have two parents that were citizens at the time of your birth. Since Obama claims his father was born in Kenya and was a British subject, Obama would not be a “natural born citizen”.

How sad is it that this was a clearly known fact and NO ONE IN THE MEDIA, not even Sean or Rush, openly wondered if having a Kenyan father disqualified him from being a NBC?

136 posted on 01/26/2011 2:44:27 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: little jeremiah

the obatroll is working overtime today!


137 posted on 01/26/2011 2:55:21 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: curiosity
He didn't say that, either.

You don't know that, LIAR!
138 posted on 01/26/2011 2:57:23 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: curiosity

139 posted on 01/26/2011 3:11:59 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: curiosity

Anybody who thinks that making statements like that to “mess with my mind and encourage more conspiracy theorizing” would reflect well on a guy who is supposed to be credible and leading the State of Hawaii.... is more nuts than anybody he tries to frame.

If this is the kind of mind-game sh!t the American public accepts from our elected leaders, then we deserve everything we’re getting.

Rates right up there with doctors who would tell you that you have inoperable terminal cancer, put you through the chemo and radiation..... and then tell you it was all a joke to see if you would believe them.

Real funny. Ha ha. You’re cracking me up, Abercrombie.

There are some things that are above those Lilliputian games, and the nation’s security, the rule of law, the credibility of government, and the US Constitution are just a few.

I don’t believe for a minute that that’s what’s going on. I just want you to see just how sick all your claims appear to the sane people in this world - many of whom are waking up to see the problems and discrepancies we “birthers” have been talking about, because of Abercrombie’s bumbling around.


140 posted on 01/26/2011 3:14:32 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Reaganite Republican
We shouldn’t have to scrape up his old college buddies to find out if he actually attended school in the first place!

We don't. Columbia and Occidental have both verified that he attneded.

Obama invites all this with the unprecedented secrecy surrounding his background- be it BC, school records, passport records, what have you.

What makes you think he isn't enjoying "all this?"

141 posted on 01/26/2011 3:27:30 PM PST by curiosity
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To: Brown Deer
Yes, I am aware Sun Yat Sen obtained a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth through fraud 50 years before Obama was born.

How could that possibly be relevant to Obama, given that Obama does NOT have a Certificate of Hawaiin Birth, but rather a standard birth certificate?

142 posted on 01/26/2011 3:29:51 PM PST by curiosity
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To: butterdezillion
Anybody who thinks that making statements like that to “mess with my mind and encourage more conspiracy theorizing” would reflect well on a guy who is supposed to be credible and leading the State of Hawaii...

For the record, I don't think Abercormbie's birther mind games reflect well on him. Quite the contrary. I wouldn't vote for the guy in a 1000 years.

143 posted on 01/26/2011 3:32:03 PM PST by curiosity
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To: curiosity

You are so anxious to jump on any challenge to Obama’s eligibility that you a) call me a liar, and b) demand “a source” without reading the post to which you responded, at which I posted THREE links to sources.

Further I was willing to acknowledged that the source is only online articles, based on an interview with a[n alleged] long-time Abercrombie friend/associate. That is at least as credible as the online COLB, likely more.

You are worthy of no further response. I do not suffer trolls gladly.


144 posted on 01/26/2011 3:32:36 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: Brown Deer
You don't know that, LIAR!

Okay. You want to prove me a liar? Show me evidence that he said it.

145 posted on 01/26/2011 3:33:04 PM PST by curiosity
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To: EDINVA
Further I was willing to acknowledged that the source is only online articles, based on an interview with a[n alleged] long-time Abercrombie friend/associate.

My apologies for missing it. I did not realize that link was supposed to be a source for your claim.

Okay, so I now see some dude named Mike Evans claims the governor told him there is no BC. I don't believe him, as there's no evidence to corroborate his hearsay evidence.

And no, he's not as credible as the online COLB because the latter has corroborating evidence, namely the statements by outgoing health director Fukino as well as the birth announcements in the papers.

146 posted on 01/26/2011 3:37:48 PM PST by curiosity
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To: curiosity
You want to prove me a liar? Show me evidence that he said it.

I don't have to show you any evidence that he said it, because that wouldn't prove you're a liar.

Conan said, "I heard him say that he couldn’t find it"

You said, "He didn't say that, either."

The fact is, you have not been with Abercrombie (and I don't have to prove it), so you do not know what he said and what he didn't say! So, that makes you a liar, unless you can prove that he didn't say it.
147 posted on 01/26/2011 3:41:38 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Yaelle
Serious? One official says she has seen it, and that is good enough for you?

If you add in the photographs of the COLB posted online, the birth announcements in the paper, and the sheer impluasibility of an 18 year old girl traveling to Kenya while 7-8 months pregnant in 1961, the yes, it is good enough for me.

Are you voting for Rahm for mayor of Chicago too?

I don't live in Chicago.

And you believe that COLB? It’s fraudulent.

No it isn't, the claims of some anonymous hack on the internet notwithstanding.

I am not sure of the reason it’s fraudulent, but it’s apparent that his friend the new Gov could NOT find a real BC,

The governor never said that.

so where would the short form come from?

There's only one place it could come from: the long form.

There is talk now that he was adopted by Soetoro and perhaps there is something in the archives about Barry Soetoro, not Barack Obama?

Highly unlikely, but irrelevant.

I don’t know. But there is extensive proof online that the COLB is not legit.

No there isn't.

148 posted on 01/26/2011 3:42:02 PM PST by curiosity
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To: Brown Deer
So, that makes you a liar, unless you can prove that he didn't say it.

The burden of proof is on the one making a positive claim, such as "Abercrombie said such and such." The burden is not on the one denying it.

149 posted on 01/26/2011 3:44:17 PM PST by curiosity
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To: curiosity
namely the statements by outgoing health director Fukino

What qualifies her to determine if someone is a natural born citizen or not?
150 posted on 01/26/2011 3:45:26 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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