Eve after the Fall

[MestaMachine]

You are chronologically incorrect.
But perhaps, for the sake of discussion, some of you might try explaining this:
(For the record, I am not trying to start a fight. These things seriously interest me and I would just love some interesting and non-flame type discussion. Not a religious war, just intellectually challenging discussion.)
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And HaShem G-d said: 'Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever.'
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Therefore HaShem G-d sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
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So He drove out the man; and He placed at the east of the garden of Eden the cherubim, and the flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way to the tree of life.
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Personally, I think that this is the most fascinating part of the Garden story. And it neatly segues into this:
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And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
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that the sons of G-d saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives, whomsoever they chose.
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And HaShem said: 'My spirit shall not abide in man for ever, for that he also is flesh; therefore shall his days be a hundred and twenty years.'
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And yet, you have the Sons of G-d taking women to wife and making children. Wouldn't that neutralize at least some of the human race from the decree against immortality?
So some of you might bring up the Great Flood, but do not forget that even there, man was saved along with wives and children.
What exactly is it in our DNA structure that separates us from all other species on Planet Earth?
And if all mankind was destroyed, then how does Cain and his offspring still fit this picture?

[Just mythoughts]

22 And HaShem G-d said: 'Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever.' 23 Therefore HaShem G-d sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 24 So He drove out the man; and He placed at the east of the garden of Eden the cherubim, and the flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way to the tree of life. ______________________________________________________________ Personally, I think that this is the most fascinating part of the Garden story. And it neatly segues into this: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 that the sons of G-d saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives, whomsoever they chose. 3 And HaShem said: 'My spirit shall not abide in man for ever, for that he also is flesh; therefore shall his days be a hundred and twenty years.' ________________________________________________________________ And yet, you have the Sons of G-d taking women to wife and making children. Wouldn't that neutralize at least some of the human race from the decree against immortality? So some of you might bring up the Great Flood, but do not forget that even there, man was saved along with wives and children. What exactly is it in our DNA structure that separates us from all other species on Planet Earth? And if all mankind was destroyed, then how does Cain and his offspring still fit this picture?

When did 'evil' first occur? Up to Genesis 2:9, the only verse in Genesis that gives any hint or suggesting of a negative/evil act is found in Genesis 1:2.

In Genesis 1:26 It is Written "And God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness:... Who is the 'Our' and 'Us' even before the first flesh beings were formed/created.

Sure reads like the LORD had company even before the flesh bodies were formed/created.

Even in secular historical accounts the hunter/gathers remains are noted as occurring before the gardeners left their footprints... Even Scripture says after Genesis 1:26 formation/creation in Genesis 2:5 '....., and there was not a man to till the ground. Makes total sense that Adam was placed in a 'garden' as completely different then the life style as noted in Genesis 1:26.

Genesis 3:17 And unto Adam He said, "Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, 'Thou shalt not eat of it:' cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."

I do not read that this judgment was passed upon the descendants of Adam.

Peter says that God measures time IIPeter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing,

that one day is with the LORD as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Adam is recorded as having lived Genesis 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

Not quite one day with the LORD.

Notice what Cain's punishment was for killing his brother Able. Genesis 4:11 And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to received thy brother's blood from thy hand;

12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth."

Interesting in that the offering Cain offered was brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.

We are told in Genesis 4:2 And she again bare his brother Able. And Able was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

We are not told what instruction was given to the brothers as to the presenting of offerings, but had to have been given else there would have been no need for them to have brought offerings forth. And interestingly Able presented the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof, but Cain brought forth the fruit of the ground his offering. And the Lord respected Abel's offering but did not respect Cain's. And as is so noted in Genesis 4:7 by the conversation the Lord had with Cain.

Now of curious interest here is what our president half quoted as grounding for his 'deathcare' plan.. Genesis 4:9 And the LORD said unto Cain, "Where is Able they brother?" And he said, "I know not:

Bama's twist on Scripture.... Am I my brother's keeper?"

When I hear BamBam utter his 'brother's keeper' doctrine it sounded as if a bell had been rung back to the beginning.

Now as to the Genesis 6 'subject of possible immortality' of the offspring of the angels with the daughters of Adam.

The sons of God (angels) would not have been in flesh bodies, but the offspring would have been and they would as noted 'giants' would have been destroyed by the flood.

I note you capitalized 'Sons' in your post but my little old King James does not capitalize 'Sons' but rather says sons of God. And when I search out the Hebrew of this word sons, it does not come up as a proper name, so I feel that I can 'safely' believe the word used is not a proper name.

I can find no place wherein immortality is given to any flesh body other than Christ Himself. And there is certainly no suggestion that the 'tree of the knowledge of good and evil', or the serpent, and a host of other names/types allowed to practice, will ever be born of woman to take a flesh journey. And thus far the first fallen, the first rebel is the only named entity that has already been judged to death. And there is a numbered of those sons of God, or other places call them fallen angels that while not named too have already been judged to death.

I have not found recorded anywhere how long Cain lived. So it would be doubtful he was still walking this earth when the flood occurred. But Noah was told to take on the ark Genesis 7:16 And they that went in, went in male and female of *ALL* flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.

So either all peoples of all races were also on the ark with Noah and 'survived' the flood, or the flood was regional in the places where there were offspring 'giants' of the daughters of Adam.

Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are Mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is Mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die....... The pretty much covers every soul ever created.

[deltaromeo11]

MestaMachine,
My understanding is Adam & Eve had become like God, only in the sense that they knew sin/evil and they felt shame and they were already in a sense living forever because they were living with God in the garden. So, in mercy, God evicted them from the garden, so they would not have to live with the shame of sin forever. You, then jumped to Genesis 6. This, I agree, is perplexing. My understanding is that some of the angels - sons of God - made babies with human women and God was not pleased with the offspring. Also, men are exceedingly sinful, and without God’s influence we devolve into mayhem. God used the flood to wipe out all the sinful from all of the earth. Everything that walks on the ground, except for Noah, his family, animals and food, is destroyed by the global flood. What’s in our DNA is that God created us for a purpose. The Bible tells us the story of creation, the fall, redemption and salvation. God uses true stories of man throughout earth’s history to tell us the story of Him and what He wants from us. Feel free to keep questioning.

[deltaromeo11]

Just mythoughts,

The “us” referred to is the trinity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
“3In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the LORD. 4 But Abel brought fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock.” Gen 4
Notice that Cain brought some of the fruits, not the good parts. Cain’s offering was a selfish offering. Cain kept the best for himself.

[Rightly Biased]

I stated no chronological order I just noted the verse that states that Adam was with Eve when she took the fruit from the tree.

Not trying to fight either but that is the way I read it.

As for your other questions I have been told the DNA was purer then so the inbreeding didn’t matter. I don’t know if I believe that one either...

[American Constitutionalist]

" What exactly is it in our DNA structure that separates us from all other species on Planet Earth? And if all mankind was destroyed, then how does Cain and his offspring still fit this picture? "

Because God created man in his likeness and image ?
Because man has a soul and spirit ?

[American Constitutionalist]

" The “us” referred to is the trinity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. “3In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the LORD. 4 But Abel brought fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock.” Gen 4 Notice that Cain brought some of the fruits, not the good parts. Cain’s offering was a selfish offering. Cain kept the best for himself. "



It's more than just " First fruits " that GOD was pleased with Abel.

First fruits is a type, a foreshadow of Jesus Christ, he was the first born that would bring all of us to GOD.

God was going to bring the seed ( Jesus Christ, who will crush the devil's head ) through the woman.
(Genesis 3:15

( * 15. And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring[a] and hers; he will crush[b] your head, and you will strike his heel.” * )



The instant that GOD told Adam and Eve that he would bring the seed ( Jesus Christ ) through Eve, from there, then onto Israel, then onto the rest of the world, GOD had to protect, preserve the gene pool, the DNA.
God had to keep the blood line pure, so, that is the reason he had to bring the flood because the rest of mankind was sinful and the blood line was polluted, that is the reason why he separated Noah and his family, then, Abraham, Issac, Jacob ( Israel ) Israel his chosen one's from the rest of the world.

" Abel was ABLE " to approach GOD by faith ( enter the sheepfold by the gate ( Jesus Christ, Yeshua Messiah, for he is the gate ) , and not by some other way ( whom robbers and thieves take, not through the gate of the sheepfold. ).
Abel was ABLE to approach GOD by faith and not some other way than what GOD told Adam and Eve.
The seed, Salvation would come through the woman's/seed, that " SEED = HE " .. that is " HE " who's HE ? .. " Jesus Christ, Yeshua Messiah, that's who.

Cain offered to GOD that what was of human effort, and by some other way than what GOD has told us, by faith.
Cain's was rejected because it was not BY of the way in what GOD will bring salvation.
It was man trying to approach GOD in man's way of thinking.
It was man made works and religion that GOD rejected, man's own self righteousness.
Salvation must come by GOD's way, not man's way.
Veggies and fruit do not have red blood like a lamb.
Veggies and fruits do not have flesh and blood like Jesus Christ had , the blood that was shed, and the flesh that was torn on the cross in our stead.
God said that the soul that sins must die, there must be shedding of blood for anointment.
The reason why Abel's offering/lamb sacrifice was accepted was because it would be by the way that our LORD and Savor would die, as a lamb ( the lamb of GOD ) offered unto GOD.
Cain's was offered onto GOD in human efforts, humanistic ways, by the way man thinks he can and should approach GOD, and it was not offered by faith.

Eve must have told both Cain and Abel that GOD would send a seed to bring Salvation to mankind, but, form Cain's actions, he did not believe. ( be li eve = be like eve in her faith )

[American Constitutionalist]

" You are chronologically incorrect. "

In that case, the book of JOB would be the first book of the bible , and not Geneses, since the book of Job was written before Moses wrote his five books.

[American Constitutionalist]

" That is hearsay and an assumption invalid in a court of law. "

Hearsay ? by who's teaching and standards ? your's ? your pastor's ? your religious teacher ? tell me by who's standards ?

Court of law ? I didn't know you and I were arguing this case in court... besides ? who's court of law ?

[deltaromeo11]

All good points. Thanks.

I have heard it described that when Adam and Eve sinned, they tried to sew fig leaves together. God saw that fig leaves were not suitable covering, so God killed an animal for it’s skins. This was probably the first time A & E saw something killed/sacrificed and were shocked by it and it increased their shame. Also A&E saw that something had to die to “cover” their sins. The skins were probably that of a lamb.