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Subpoena for Loretta Fuddy, director of HI Health Department (vanity transcript from Orly blog)
Orly's blog | May 24, 2011 | Orly Taitz

Posted on 05/24/2011 3:21:39 PM PDT by Seizethecarp

Anyone have legal comments on this latest Orly effort? TO: Loretta Fuddy, Director of Health, HI Health Department YOU ARE COMMANDED to appear (for deposition) at 1250 Punchbowl str, room 325, Honolulu HI 96813 (on) 6/27/2011 10:00 am YOU ARE COMMANDED to produce and permit inspection and copying of…Original 1961 typewritten birth certificate # 10641 for Barack Hussein Obama II, issued 08.08.1961, signed by Dr. David A. Sinclair, Stanley Ann Dunham Obama and registrar Lee, stored in the Health Department of the state of HI from 08.08.1961 until now


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KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; hopespringseternal; naturalborncitizen; obama; orlytaitz; thistimeforsure
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1 posted on 05/24/2011 3:21:47 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

Love what Orly is doing, but the fix is in and she will lose.


2 posted on 05/24/2011 3:29:04 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: LucyT; STARWISE; Nachum; Red Steel; Kenny Bunk; David; WhizCodger

ping to Orly subpoena...


3 posted on 05/24/2011 3:31:20 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

Anyone have legal comments on this latest Orly effort?


Some comments on this earlier thead if anyone is interested.....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2724465/posts


4 posted on 05/24/2011 3:33:15 PM PDT by deport
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To: Seizethecarp

Corsi: FBI Criminal Complaint Being Filed This Week About Obama’s Forged Birth Certificate; Trump Called Corsi Today For Latest Details

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/05/corsi-fbi-criminal-complaint-being.html#comment-form


5 posted on 05/24/2011 3:42:48 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
Interesting , Obama made a joke about Trump on his trip today.

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6 posted on 05/24/2011 3:56:37 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: Seizethecarp
Unless the records were confiscated immediately the whole effort is useless.
7 posted on 05/24/2011 4:28:40 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: Seizethecarp; LucyT; STARWISE; Nachum; Red Steel; Kenny Bunk; David; WhizCodger
That thinga-ma-jig that the WH released is not, NOT A COPY, of a BC on file with the HIDOH. Can we please get that straight once and for all?

It is a copy of an ABSTRACT of all the data, or not, on file, or not, with the HIDOH. Therefore, unless one sees the original document(s) from which the data on the digitally created new document was 'abstracted,' one really has no proof of anything. Back to square 1. Let's see the LFBC.

E.G., abstract of a title deed is often just as good a the title deed, if all stipulate to it, but is not NOT the same thing.

Orly, among others, has figured this out, and is merely asking to see the original document(s)from which that thing given to the WH was 'abstracted.' That is the right of ANY citizen who asks, according to the Uniform Information Practices Act of the State of Hawaii.

Getting the HIDOH to follow the law has been the problem. The release of the BC ABSTRACT was a brilliant piece of strategy which is a smokescreen and delaying tactic for confrontation of the "real" issue, i.e., "Natural Born Citizenship." That has become the 'Third Rail' of American Jurisprudence, 'cause ain't nobody gonna dare touch it!

The bad news is that the ABSTRACT may be accurate in as far as it goes. It might be incomplete. It might even have information on it that was wrong, and the reasons might even be malicious. But the question remains, so what? Who is going to bring criminal charges? Where? Against whom? One finds a garroted dead body in the alley and reports it to the police. Obviously a victim of foul play. The DA may even think he knows who did it. That doesn't mean anyone is going to be arrested and charged with murder.

Team Obama is flying at 35,000 feet. These missiles don't reach.

8 posted on 05/24/2011 4:47:25 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (We live in America's "Awkward" Era. Too late to fix the country. To early to start shooting.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
Trump Called Corsi Today For Latest Details

I wouldn't trust Trump further than I could throw him. If I were Corsi, I would try to make up some lies for Trump that would make his partners spin their wheels in North Dakota.

Trump is the cur that didn't bark.

ML/NJ

9 posted on 05/24/2011 5:05:29 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Seizethecarp

A vanity transcript. Isn’t that like a blogger? hehe I’m joking of coruse.


10 posted on 05/24/2011 5:09:43 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Kenny Bunk
It is a copy of an ABSTRACT of all the data

You people with your "abstract" BS need to disappear. The registrar stamp says "true copy or abstract." The Obama BC purports to be a true copy. Its format is identical to the format of the Nordyke BCs. It has (supposed) signatures. It is not an abstract.

ML/NJ

11 posted on 05/24/2011 5:11:57 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Seizethecarp
Did a judge sign the subpoena? If not it will be ignored. If a federal judge signed it then there is a small chance it will honored.
12 posted on 05/24/2011 5:14:11 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ ("Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." A. C. Clarke)
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To: ml/nj

Trump Called Corsi Today For Latest Details

I wouldn’t trust Trump further than I could throw him. If I were Corsi, I would try to make up some lies for Trump that would make his partners spin their wheels in North Dakota.

Trump is the cur that didn’t bark.


Trump wants a heads up on what Corsi is going to do next...Jeri should feed him some misinformation to use as a feint (like ol’ Gen. Schwartzkopf in Desert Storm).


13 posted on 05/24/2011 5:29:02 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: ml/nj

You’re a disruptor and need to disappear.


14 posted on 05/24/2011 5:38:14 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NOT FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: SatinDoll
Stop me when I say something that isn't true, Lady.

ML/NJ

15 posted on 05/24/2011 5:40:12 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj

Sod, off. You’re a lying piece of filthy work.


16 posted on 05/24/2011 5:47:17 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NOT FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: ml/nj
Sorry old bean, it is an abstract. The WH itself said so, albeit rather carefully. Kindly parse their parsing on the subject. IOW, peruse their parsing?

The anti-POTUS has allowed the MSM to guide the peasantry to the assumption that it is a true copy of an LFBC on file.

Please note that I think the BC issue is au fond, an exercise in futility, but since it obviously discomfits the anti-POTUS, it should continue, while others continue working on the 2012 issues. In re my secret squeeze, Dr. Taitz: if Team Obama isn't paying her, they should. But that does not diminish my love for the buxom former Soviet/Israeli/Naturalized US Citizen maiden and her unlawyerly enthusiasm and fits of pique.

Yes, the stamp says, "True copy, OR Abstract" and like an "abstract," you are correct in as far as you go. If what the WH released were merely a photocopy or a xerox of an original document, there would not be all these digital artifacts springing into obvious view. What the WH released was a copy of a copy of a digitally created new document. That doesn't ipso facto make it a bad thing, just not a copy of an original document, for which a simple copy, properly notarized, would have sufficed.

Q: Again, since this obviously going nowhere, why would they bother?
A: More smoke, more mirrors more obfuscation to keep me and you talking about it when we should be concentrating on saving the republic. That's all.

17 posted on 05/24/2011 6:08:27 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (We live in America's "Awkward" Era. Too late to fix the country. To early to start shooting.)
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To: Kenny Bunk
Sorry old bean, it is an abstract.

Teach me. Do you think the Nordyke BCs are abstracts too?

ML/NJ

18 posted on 05/24/2011 6:14:15 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj
Any vile gossip linking me with either of the "Nordyke Twins" is simply slander. I hardly knew the girls. Besides at the time, I was off honing my skills to kill Commies for Christ.

If you have their paperwork, merely subject it to digital forensic analysis and leave the results in the hollow of that big oak tree in the middle of the road in Bordentown, or was it Tabernacle?

19 posted on 05/24/2011 6:19:59 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (We live in America's "Awkward" Era. Too late to fix the country. To early to start shooting.)
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To: Kenny Bunk
“Where? Against whom?”

Corsi said that his forensic digital imaging expert will file a criminal complaint with the FBI either late this week or early next week and Corsi will cover it with WND, so they will not be doing the actual filing of the complaint.

20 posted on 05/24/2011 6:29:23 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp
It is a copy of an ABSTRACT of all the data, or not, on file, or not, with the HIDOH. Therefore, unless one sees the original document(s) from which the data on the digitally created new document was 'abstracted,' one really has no proof of anything. Back to square 1. Let's see the LFBC.

How do the old signatures end up on new abstract????

21 posted on 05/24/2011 6:33:49 PM PDT by Leo Carpathian (fffffFRrrreeeeepppeeee-ssed!)
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To: ml/nj

“True and correct copy”

According to the official certification stamp on the White House certificate the certificate is a “TRUE COPY OR ABSTRACT OF THE RECORD ON FILE”.

The wording of the official certification stamp on the Nordyke twin’s long form certificates certifies that those certificates are “TRUE AND CORRECT COPY OF THE ORIGINAL RECORD ON FILE”


22 posted on 05/24/2011 6:36:27 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Leo Carpathian

Good question. If legit, by cut and paste of a digital image.


23 posted on 05/24/2011 6:37:44 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Seizethecarp
....will file a criminal complaint with the FBI

OK Carp. Then what happens?

(1) First the FBI has to decide if they think there is a cause for a criminal complaint.
(2)Then they can decide to investigate it, or not.
(3)Then, if they decide there may have been criminal activity, they have to get a warrant from a Federal prosecutor, showing cause
(4)Then the Federal prosecutor has to charge, or not, whomever they arrest.

I am all for harassing the hell out of Team Obama, however there is a large grey area here in that the WH got the whatever that was from the HIDOH. If it's a bad doc, "Well then Judge, Leroy done it." is at least a possible claim!

Best of Luck to Dr. Jerry! Whatever he does has great value in questioning the anti-POTUS' credibility. But, let's not imagine that the fellow is going to be carried from the WH in chains. Ain't gonna happen.

24 posted on 05/24/2011 6:40:39 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (We live in America's "Awkward" Era. Too late to fix the country. To early to start shooting.)
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To: Leo Carpathian
How do the old signatures end up on new abstract????

Simple. Scanned, digitized, and pasted in the newly created document.

25 posted on 05/24/2011 6:43:59 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (We live in America's "Awkward" Era. Too late to fix the country. To early to start shooting.)
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To: Kenny Bunk
“Best of Luck to Dr. Jerry! Whatever he does has great value in questioning the anti-POTUS’ credibility. But, let's not imagine that the fellow is going to be carried from the WH in chains. Ain't gonna happen.”

I hear you, but you and I have seen this sort of situation play out before with Nixon.

IMO, the most likely replay is that when the posse is closing in (that would be the court of public opinion) the de facto president resigns and then gets a full pardon from Biden to spare a large portion of the public the trauma of seeing the precious one in the dock and realizing how stupid they were!

26 posted on 05/24/2011 6:51:35 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Kenny Bunk

Grand juries are meant for such cases, not special prosecutors.


27 posted on 05/24/2011 6:57:42 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Seizethecarp
Yabut Carp, Nixon checked out after a delegation of REPUBLICANS told him that he had better quit.

Can you honest to God imagine Nancy, Harry, Barney, Barbara Boxer, and Joe Biden, telling the Mombasa Moonbeam to get outa Dodge?

....that would be the court of public opinion ...

OK. No more negative thoughts from me! Go Team!

28 posted on 05/24/2011 7:03:34 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (We live in America's "Awkward" Era. Too late to fix the country. To early to start shooting.)
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To: Seizethecarp
Yabut Carp, Nixon checked out after a delegation of REPUBLICANS told him that he had better quit.

Can you honest to God imagine Nancy, Harry, Barney, Barbara Boxer, and Joe Biden, telling the Mombasa Moonbeam to get outa Dodge?

....that would be the court of public opinion ...

OK. No more negative thoughts from me! Go Team!

29 posted on 05/24/2011 7:03:59 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (We live in America's "Awkward" Era. Too late to fix the country. To early to start shooting.)
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To: Kenny Bunk
“Can you honest to God imagine Nancy, Harry, Barney, Barbara Boxer, and Joe Biden, telling the Mombasa Moonbeam to get outa Dodge?”

Actually, yes...if the Tsunami of “chickens coming home to roost” on Obama continues at the present pace!

Just today Harry Reid rebuked Obama over his Israel stance and the entire Congress gave dozens of standing ovations to Bibi as he rebuked Obama.

Obama looks terrible. US economy, housing and stocks rolling over into double dip, IMO.

Democrats have to wonder whether they can save the presidency. Ginsberg won't likely make it through the next four years.

Dems only have until end of year to have a reasonable primary to select who will run in 2012 if they want to dump Obama. Hey, a guy can dream, right?

30 posted on 05/24/2011 7:12:44 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Kenny Bunk
How do the old signatures end up on new abstract????

Simple. Scanned, digitized, and pasted in the newly created document.

Soooo.... I can scan anybody's signature and paste it on document, check, and present it as "copy" of whatever????

I thought that signature signifies the original that is was signed on, or then true copy of whole document, not "constructed" paper joke....

31 posted on 05/24/2011 7:21:59 PM PDT by Leo Carpathian (fffffFRrrreeeeepppeeee-ssed!)
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To: Seizethecarp
well Carp, lemme go public.

I have a big one down at 11-1 with Ladbrooke that the Mombasa Moonbeam ain't gonna run. I have always thought the hand-off would go to Hillary on the naked reverse with a pump fake.

The Soros deal (IMHBOWO) was to let the silly fool take the heat and do some heavy lifting and then sneak in Hillary, i.e., a smarter commie, to consolidate the gains.

32 posted on 05/24/2011 7:24:23 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (We live in America's "Awkward" Era. Too late to fix the country. To early to start shooting.)
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To: Leo Carpathian
Leo, IMHBOWO, what these guys at the HIDOH did was create an entirely new digital document by picking up stuff that was on file somewhere in the HIDOH. It may have been on file digitally, or in a hard copy, which they then could scan. Who knows? That is what "abstracting" means in the digital age. It also means we have no idea what they left out, or even made up, since we cannot see the original document(s) they abstracted from. (Massive circular wank time!)

They are not saying it is a true copy, they are saying "True copy OR Abstract." If it were a "True Copy, it would say "True Copy," as in the Nordyke Twins' (lovely girls) paperwork.

I can scan anybody's signature and paste it on document, check, and present it as "copy" of whatever??

If you're "abstracting," Yes. But that is not a "copy." An abstract is a new document. If you are making a true copy, "Yes," but it has to be notarized as a true copy of an original. Once again, an abstract is not a copy. A copy is a copy. Capeesh?

What the WH (clever devils) did was make a copy of the abstract ... it is not a copy of the original document, that elusive LFBC. Then, they just let everyone assume that they were releasing a copy of the long form BC. They used the correct term "abstract" one time on day one. After that they just called it a "copy." Then everyone took it from there! Frickin' brilliant, I calls it!

Please note that despite the chicanery, this document is probably not a fake, or a forgery, at least one that can be laid directly at the WH doorstep. Their defense can easily claim that they copied what the HIDOH gave them!. The document just ain't what the WH led everyone to believe it was.

I hope this is as confusing to you as it is to me. Misery loves company.

33 posted on 05/24/2011 7:47:48 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (We live in America's "Awkward" Era. Too late to fix the country. To early to start shooting.)
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To: ml/nj; Leo Carpathian
The best guy to ask about the difference between an Abstract and a True Copy of a legal document is your local Real Estate Broker, or Title Company Officer. (Unless a lawyer is related, he'll charge for the info!)

At a closing, for example, both parties usually stipulate to an abstract, while a true copy of Title Deed, or a Debenture, must be a Certified and Notarized True Copy. IOW, an Abstract and a True Copy can act in the same way, but are not the same thing.

If this case (whatever the "case" may be) ever makes it to a court room in our life time, you can bet that discovery will demand True Copies and that one or both parties would not accept an Abstract. (IMHBOWO)

34 posted on 05/24/2011 8:02:00 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (We live in America's "Awkward" Era. Too late to fix the country. To early to start shooting.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Sounds about right!


35 posted on 05/24/2011 8:10:59 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp
Carp, this anti-POTUS is making me long for the good old days under Chet Arthur. Now there was an out and out up front crook. Bamboozled everybody, then burned all the evidence right before gracefully checking out of the planet. My kinda guy.

Unlike Obama, he wasn't a half-bad administrator, either. Stayed in the office. Kept his mouth shut. Got the job done.

36 posted on 05/24/2011 8:29:22 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (We live in America's "Awkward" Era. Too late to fix the country. To early to start shooting.)
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To: Leo Carpathian
“I thought that signature signifies the original that is was signed on, or then true copy of whole document, not “constructed” paper joke....”

The “signature” of Onaka is a signature stamp, not his physical signature and the stamp, curiously, has “TXE” not “THE”.

Corsi said that the digital forgery was ginned up several weeks ago (by Obama’s lawyers in the WH?) and then a cooperative HI official inserted the thing into the BC archive book. Corsi said that his personal operative was able to go into the archive two times. First to verify that the BC wasn't there and then to later verify that all of a sudden it WAS there. That is what Corsi said, and he said this persons life was in danger if he revealed who they were at this point.

Once the forged BC was in the book the charade of sending Obama’s lawyer to HI to witness Onaka opening the archive book to make a copy and use his signature stamp and state seal was performed and two copies produced. One of these was probably shown to the ABC reporter.

When it came time to release a digital image, rather than scan one of the two copies brought back from HI, they just uploaded the digital forgery file “accidentally” revealing how it was constructed from lots of bits and pieces with cuts and pastes. I suspect that the forgery file already had a cut and paste Onaka signature with the "TXE" and a faint seal impression. Was this a screw-up or intentional to keep birthers agitated? I think it was a screw-up.

37 posted on 05/24/2011 8:37:41 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Kenny Bunk
The best guy to ask about the difference between an Abstract and a True Copy of a legal document is your local Real Estate Broker, or Title Company Officer.

I didn't ask you to send me to someone to tell me what the difference is between an abstract and a true copy. I asked you whether you considered the Nordyke BCs to be abstracts. Why don't you answer my question.

ML/NJ

38 posted on 05/25/2011 4:39:31 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Seizethecarp

The point is that Who House is parading this as a copy of his BC and that’s what average Joe gets: here it is, what you want?

The big question is, why doesn’t Zero show copy of BC that he is supposed to have in his possession, when applying for driver’s license, basketball team, marriage,.....???
Jus’ like everyone has, own wrinkled, old creased copy of real thing, not a copy of made up to order forgery!!!


39 posted on 05/25/2011 6:26:36 AM PDT by Leo Carpathian (fffffFRrrreeeeepppeeee-ssed!)
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To: bvw

I agree.

There is enough legalese in that disclaimer to drive a bus through.

It may be a true copy, or it may be an abstract. It representational data....of what we are not certain, but it probably threads the legal needle barely.


40 posted on 05/25/2011 6:51:29 AM PDT by NOVACPA
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To: ml/nj
You people with your "abstract" BS need to disappear. The registrar stamp says "true copy or abstract." The Obama BC purports to be a true copy. Its format is identical to the format of the Nordyke BCs. It has (supposed) signatures. It is not an abstract.

The BS comes from the people that put the word "Abstract" on the document. Not from the people who point out that it shouldn't be there.

41 posted on 05/25/2011 8:28:05 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (I hate to admit it, but Barack is an American.)
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To: ml/nj
Teach me. Do you think the Nordyke BCs are abstracts too?

I'll teach you. Look up the phrase "tu quoque." That's what your are trying to do with your "Well the Nordyke certificate is blah blah blah..."

42 posted on 05/25/2011 8:31:56 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (I hate to admit it, but Barack is an American.)
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To: bvw
According to the official certification stamp on the White House certificate the certificate is a “TRUE COPY OR ABSTRACT OF THE RECORD ON FILE”.

The wording of the official certification stamp on the Nordyke twin’s long form certificates certifies that those certificates are “TRUE AND CORRECT COPY OF THE ORIGINAL RECORD ON FILE”

The Salient point. The document does not assert that it's valid. "Records" are amended whenever a judge says so, and in whatever manner a judge decrees.

We do not want the truth filtered through Hawaiian State government officials. We want the real actual truth. The fact that they are unwilling to unequivocally state that we are seeing a real true and original copy unfiltered by THEM, means their word cannot be trusted.

I am NEVER going to accept a "You don't need to see the original, you need to take our word for it" document.

43 posted on 05/25/2011 8:36:39 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (I hate to admit it, but Barack is an American.)
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To: ml/nj
From what I can see of them through digital images I would consider them to be "True and Correct Copy of the Original Record."

That statement leaves no doubt as to their having been manipulated or tampered with. A state official that certifies a document fraudulently can be convicted of perjury among other crimes.

The fact that Obama's pdf document contains weasel words is the only thing anyone needs to know about it's truthfulness.

44 posted on 05/25/2011 8:41:34 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Hawaiian officials are STILL hiding the truth.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
From what I can see of them through digital images I would consider them to be "True and Correct Copy of the Original Record."

And from what I can see the Obama document purports to contain exactly the same data in the same format as the Nordyke BCs. Only the certification is different.

Note that I am not the creator of this morph. When I saw it, I saved a copy for myself. I tried to find the place on the internet from where I obtained it but was unable to do so.

Also note that this morph utilizes the AP image of Bamie BC II, rather than the one we usually discuss here which come from whitehouse.gov.

Finally I would point out that the supposed Obama form is not merely information transferred to a newer form. You can tell this from the 'M' in 'PM' where the time of birth is recorded. It is part of the printed form. This is how the forms were in 1961. They are not that way any longer.

None of this means that I think that the Obama form is legitimate. I think it is a forgery. But if I were wrong then this would be exactly the sort of document I would expect to see.

ML/NJ

45 posted on 05/25/2011 9:34:25 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: DiogenesLamp
I'll teach you. Look up the phrase "tu quoque." That's what your are trying to do with your "Well the Nordyke certificate is blah blah blah..."

Listen Pal, I don't know what your problem is. Your use of a Latin ID for a fallacious type of argument doesn't impress me and it doesn't apply at all here. (My guess is that I took logic before you were born, and also got an analytical reasoning SAT score quite above yours, even allowing for the dumbing down of the tests since I took them.)

The fact is that the April 27, Bamie BC II is not an abstract, your prattling notwithstanding. English is my mother tongue.

Thinking that declaring it an abstract is anything but a diversion is inane.

ML/NJ

46 posted on 05/25/2011 9:47:56 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: DiogenesLamp
I'll teach you.

And BTW, welcome to FR. Enjoy it while you can. With an attitude like yours, you aren't likely to last too long here.

ML/NJ

47 posted on 05/25/2011 9:50:57 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj

There is no analytical reasoning section of the SAT. Historically there was a Math section (worth 800 points) and an English section (worth 800 points).

Recently they added a reading comprehension/essay part, it is called a critical reading or verbal reasoning (but has little to do with analytical reasoning) - but if you took logic “before” someone “was born” - it stands to reason the SAT you took only had a Math and English section.

So bragging about your analytical reasoning SAT score strikes me as HILARIOUS!

Do you wish to correct or amend your remark?


48 posted on 05/25/2011 9:54:04 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: ml/nj

Not that I disagree with the points you are otherwise making......


49 posted on 05/25/2011 9:55:28 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Seizethecarp

....I suspect that the forgery file already had a cut and paste Onaka signature with the “TXE” and a faint seal impression. Was this a screw-up or intentional to keep birthers agitated? I think it was a screw-up.....

Divine intervention!


50 posted on 05/25/2011 10:01:04 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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