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Expert: Obama doc is 'proof' – of fraud
World Net Daily ^ | June 7, 2011 | Jerome R. Corsi

Posted on 06/07/2011 6:45:09 PM PDT by conservativegramma

Typeface analysis shows images come from different machines

The online image of a Hawaiian "Certificate of Live Birth" was trumpeted by the White House when it was released on April 27 as "proof positive" that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Now an expert in typefaces and typography says it sure was "proof," but not of what the White House would have wanted.

Paul Irey, a retired professional typographer with 50 years experience in his business, has says an analysis of the typefaces used in the Barack Obama's long-form birth certificate that the White House released on April 27 reveals it absolutely to be a forgery.

"My analysis proves beyond a doubt that it would be impossible for the different letters that appear in the Obama birth certificate to have been typed by one typewriter," Irey told WND.

"Typewriters in 1961 could not change the size and shape of a letter on the fly like that," he said. "This document is definitely a forgery."

Irey acknowledges that an IBM Selectric typewriter could have produced different typefaces in a given document, but only if the Selectric ball was changed every time a different typeface letter was struck which would be unlikely to have been done to produce the word "Student," for example, that had two different styles of the lower case "t."

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: betrayed; birthcertificate; birther; certificate; certifigate; corsi; eligibility; hopespringseternal; lucyhazfootball; naturalborncitizen; obama; thistimeforsure; wnd
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To: conservativegramma
In any case, yet ANOTHER expert weighing in on proof of forgery now going beyond layering and OCR, or kerning. You'd have to be an idiot to believe this thing is genuine. JMO.

Yup, and only a matter of time before Obama goes down.



"To prove his point, Irey used as a source document the Xerox copy of the Obama birth certificate the White House press staff handed to the press assembled in the White House pressroom on April 27, as seen in Exhibit 1:


From this source, Irey extracted individual typed letters and prepared a chart listing each typed letter in the document, seen in Exhibit 2:


From there, Irey compared different individual letters, producing a chart, seen here as Exhibit 3, in which the different typefaces used in the document are evident by comparison:


To make the point even clearer, Irey annotated differences in typefaces that he felt made the argument the Obama birth certificate released by the White House on April 27 was a composite document constructed by extracting letters as needed from various authentic 1961 Hawaiian birth certificates that had originally been typed on different typewriters, as seen in Exhibit 4:"

...Continued here: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=308397
21 posted on 06/07/2011 7:08:45 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: West Texas Chuck

The story will only die if we let it. I think the Constitution is worth fighting for don’t you?


22 posted on 06/07/2011 7:09:09 PM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: conservativegramma
Try ROYAL ~ very common brand name back then ~ used everywhere.

Or, in fact, in Hawaii there could well be direct imports from the Japanese gray market ~ my impression, though, was that one Royal was in the mix of the various devices used to create the various parts of the image over a period of time.

TO WIT: Not all of it was typed at the same time, and some of it is simply rubber stamped.

23 posted on 06/07/2011 7:11:21 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ASA Vet

>>Rep. Bingham said “parents.” He did not say “one parent” or “a mother or father.”<<

1) Commentary isn’t Law

2) You make a difference without a distinction

3) I gather you renew your statement (unsupported by any known law) that only second generation Americans are “Natural Born Citizens?”

4) “In the United States House on March 9, 1866
commenting upon Section 1992 of the Civil Rights Act,”

Huh? I assume this is a typo but I can’t determine what the comment date was or what was being commented upon.


24 posted on 06/07/2011 7:12:00 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Elendur
>"what EXACTLY he is covering up so hard he would FORGE a document."

I'm betting Baby Daddy's race is ARAB! Not Negro.

25 posted on 06/07/2011 7:12:09 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: West Texas Chuck

Wonder if you can still get the ribbons? We used to have an IBM Executive. Nice typewriter. Only bad thing was different letters were different spaces so if you made an error you had to know how many spaces to back up for which letters.


26 posted on 06/07/2011 7:12:54 PM PDT by brytlea (Someone the other day said I'm not a nice person. How did they know?)
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To: ASA Vet
Here it is,
Right out of the library of congress:

The Principal framer (John Bingham) of the 14th amendment
and in particular the CITIZENSHIP clause had this to say
during a debate on the house floor regarding the 14th
amendment:

Center column 3rd paragraph down:

Source:
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=071/llcg071.db&recNum=2
>! you have to turn to page 1291 !>

Bingham states: I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill],
which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the
jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language
of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen… . . –
John Bingham, framer of the 14 amendment in the United States House on March 9, 1866”

Charles Pinckney
Signer of the United States Constitution, Governor of South
Carolina. Senator and a member of the House of Representatives.
“Therefore, we can say with confidence that a natural-born
citizen of the United States means those persons born
whose father the United States already has an established
jurisdiction over, i.e., born to father’s who are
themselves citizens of the United States.”

27 posted on 06/07/2011 7:14:32 PM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Fee

Hmm...you got me thinking, did they use IBM Executives? I’m not sure if kerning is the right word, but perhaps. I don’t know when those typewriters were made....


28 posted on 06/07/2011 7:15:26 PM PDT by brytlea (Someone the other day said I'm not a nice person. How did they know?)
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To: ASA Vet

All very nice.

But not law.

We are a nation of laws, not men. We are bound by the law, even the ones we don’t completely like.

And, I ask again that you are saying that only 2nd generation Americans can be “natural born citizens?”


29 posted on 06/07/2011 7:16:26 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: freedumb2003
>"Any child born in the USA is a “Natural Born Citizen” irrespective of the parental heritage."

So if Hitler knocked up a teenager that berfed in the USA, then took him back to Germany, and raised him to be a good widdle Nazi, then replanted him, he SHOULD BE PRESIDENT?

Do you see the reason for BOTH PARENTS BEING CITIZENS YET?

Please inquire at your local gas pump for further PROOF!

30 posted on 06/07/2011 7:16:47 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: freedumb2003
Agreed.

And if it is fake, then this nation has been lost. We are governed by shadowy cabals of powerful and untouchable mystery men.

31 posted on 06/07/2011 7:17:24 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: Red Steel

The same attention should be given to the 1 digits in the serial number. The rightmost 1 digit does not have the downward hooking serif of those to its left. It’s kind of obvious it’s a different font.


32 posted on 06/07/2011 7:18:06 PM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: muawiyah

I’m familiar with Royal thank you, used them too.

As to the rest of your post as a pre-computer age typist, secretary and clerk....BS.

You did not put a form aside and work on it at a later date on a different typewriter in the same office. Once you put a form into the typwriter you finished it. Difficult to get the lines even and lined up otherwise, tedious business, and a headache to boot. No secretary/clerk/typist worth her salt would have done this. NOONE. You might not have finished all the forms in your stack on the same day....but you definitely would NEVER have stopped in the MIDDLE of one, then moved it to another typewriter, even IF there were another brand of typewriter in the same office. That is so much bunk I’m doubled over laughing.

The rubber stamp - okay - but its not the rubber stamp parts of the LFBC that in dispute here. Try again.


33 posted on 06/07/2011 7:18:09 PM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: conservativegramma

The number of suspicious features in this document is truly amazing - this is probably the fifth or sixth different problem with it I’ve seen discussed on FR.

In this instance, though, I think the author would have a stronger case if he’d done a similar analysis on an authentic birth certificate of that time as a control (the BC of those twins born about the same time?). He’s the expert, but I would be happier with evidence that at least some of those discrepancies aren’t just an artifact of the xeroxing process.


34 posted on 06/07/2011 7:18:32 PM PDT by Stosh
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To: freedumb2003
That is saying that only 2nd generation Americans, and born on US Soil, are “Natural Born Citizens.”

That is correct.

35 posted on 06/07/2011 7:18:49 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: brytlea

>>Hmm...you got me thinking, did they use IBM Executives? I’m not sure if kerning is the right word, but perhaps. I don’t know when those typewriters were made....<<

Kerning was proportional spacing — you could get kerned typeballs (oh how I miss the IBM typewriter’s ability to almost anticipate your next keystroke). But the auto-erase (a separate “white-out” ribbon could get it wrong. That is why we kept good old White-out” on hand anyways)...


36 posted on 06/07/2011 7:20:42 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: West Texas Chuck
Too bad, think of the fireworks if Limbaugh or one of the bigs tore into this.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I will never never never never forget how Limbaugh and the other yappers IGNORED this issue.

SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! on them!

37 posted on 06/07/2011 7:21:03 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: ASA Vet

S 61 Bill 1866 was the bill that became the 14th admendment.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/slavery/experience/legal/docs7.html

The Civil Rights Act
1866
Courtesy of Library of Congress, Law Library
return to main documents page

The fourteenth amendment granted blacks the privileges of citizenship, but instituted no means by which to ensure the protection of their rights. With violence against blacks escalating and black codes appearing across the South, the federal government recognized the need for a bill to defend the rights of blacks. The first Civil Rights Act was passed in 1866.

39th Congress, 1st Session.

S. 61.

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

MARCH 13, 1866

Ordered, That the bill (S. 61) “to protect all persons in the United States in their civil rights, and furnish the means of their vindication, — be printed, together with the amendments of the House of Representatives thereto, and that the same be referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.”

AN ACT
To protect all persons in the United States in their civil rights, and furnish the means of their vindication.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States; and such citizens, of every race and color, without regard to any previous condition of slavery or involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall have the same right, in every State and Territory in the United States, to make and enforce contracts, to sue, be parties, and give evidence, to inherit, purchase, lease, sell, hold, and convey real and personal property, and to full and equal benefit of all laws and proceedings for the security of person and property, as is enjoyed by white citizens, and shall be subject to like punishment, pains, and penalties, and to none other, any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, to the contrary notwithstanding.

Sec. 2. And be it further enacted, That any person who, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, shall subject, or cause to be subjected, any inhabitant of any State or Territory to the deprivation of any right secured or protected by this act, or to different punishment, pains, or penalties on account of such person having at any time been held in a condition of slavery or involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, or by reason of his color or race, than is prescribed for the punishment of white persons, shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor, and, on conviction, shall be punished by fine not exceeding one thousand dollars, or imprisonment not exceeding one year, or both, in the discretion of the court.

Sec. 3. And be it further enacted, That the district courts of the United States, within their respective districts, shall have, exclusively of the courts of the several States, cognizance of all crimes and offences committed against the provisions of this act, and also, concurrently with the circuit courts of the United States, of all causes, civil and criminal, affecting persons who are denied or cannot enforce in the courts or judicial tribunals of the State or locality where they may be any of the rights secured to them by the first section of this act; and if any suit or prosecution, civil or criminal, has been or shall be commenced in any State court, against any such person, for any cause whatsoever, or against any officer, civil or military, or other person, for any arrest or imprisonment, trespasses, or wrongs done or committed by virtue or under color of authority derived from this act or the act establishing a Bureau for the relief of Freedmen and Refugees, and all acts amendatory thereof, or for refusing to do any act upon the ground that it would be inconsistent with this act, such defendant shall have the right to remove such cause for trial to the proper district or circuit court in the manner prescribed by the “Act relating to habeas corpus and regulating judicial proceedings in certain cases,” approved March three, eighteen hundred and sixty-three, and all acts amendatory thereof. The jurisdiction in civil and criminal matters hereby conferred on the district and circuit courts of the United States shall be exercised and enforced in conformity with the laws of the United States, so far as such laws are suitable to carry the same into effect; but in all cases where such laws are not adapted to the object, or are deficient in the provisions necessary to furnish suitable remedies and punish offences against law, the common law, as modified and changed by the constitution and statutes of the State wherein the court having jurisdiction of the cause, civil or criminal, is held, so far as the same is not inconsistent with the Constitution and laws of the United States, shall be extended to and govern said courts in the trial and disposition of such cause, and, if of a criminal nature, in the infliction of punishment on the party found guilty.

Sec. 4. And be it further enacted, That the district attorneys, marshals, and deputy marshals of the United States, the commissioners appointed by the circuit and territorial courts of the United States, with powers of arresting, imprisoning, or bailing offenders against the laws of the United States, the officers and agents of the Freedmen’s Bureau, and every other officer who may be specially empowered by the President of the United States, shall be, and they are hereby, specially authorized and required, at the expense of the United States, to institute proceedings against all and every person who shall violate the provisions of this act, and cause him or them to be arrested and imprisoned, or bailed, as the case may be, for trial before such court of the United States or territorial court as by this act has cognizance of the offence. And with a view to affording reasonable protection to all persons in their constitutional rights of equality before the law, without distinction of race or color, or previous condition of slavery or involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime, whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, and to the prompt discharge of the duties of this act, it shall be the duty of the circuit courts of the United States and the superior courts of the Territories of the United States, from time to time, to increase the number of commissioners, so as to afford a speedy and convenient means for the arrest and examination of persons charged with a violation of this act; and such commissioners are hereby authorized and required to exercise and discharge all the powers and duties conferred on them by this act, and the same duties with regard to offences created by this act, as they are authorized by law to exercise with regard to other offences against the laws of the United States.

Sec. 5. And be it further enacted, That it shall be the duty of all marshals and deputy marshals to obey and execute all warrants and precepts issued under the provisions of this act, when to them directed; and should any marshal or deputy marshal refuse to receive such warrant or other process when tendered, or to use all proper means diligently to execute the same, he shall, on conviction thereof, be fined in the sum of one thousand dollars, to the use of the person upon whom the accused is alleged to have committed the offense. And the better to enable the said commissioners to execute their duties faithfully and efficiently, in conformity with the Constitution of the United States and the requirements of this act, they are hereby authorized and empowered, within their counties respectively, to appoint, in writing, under their hands, any one or more suitable persons, from time to time, to execute all such warrants and other process as may be issued by them in the lawful performance of their respective duties; and the persons so appointed to execute any warrant or process as aforesaid shall have authority to summon and call to their aid the bystanders or posse comitatus of the proper county, or such portion of the land or naval forces of the United States, or of the militia, as may be necessary to the performance of the duty with which they are charged, and to insure a faithful observance of the clause of the Constitution which prohibits slavery, in conformity with the provisions of this act; and said warrants shall run and be executed by said officers anywhere in the State or Territory within which they are issued.

Sec. 6. And be it further enacted, That any person who shall knowingly and willfully obstruct, hinder, or prevent any officer, or other person charged with the execution of any warrant or process issued under the provisions of this act, or any person or persons lawfully assisting him or them, from arresting any person for whose apprehension such warrant or process may have been issued, or shall rescue or attempt to rescue such person from the custody of the officer, other person or persons, or those lawfully assisting as aforesaid, when so arrested pursuant to the authority herein given and declared, or shall aid, abet, or assist any person so arrested as aforesaid, directly or indirectly, to escape from the custody of the officer or other person legally authorized as aforesaid, or shall harbor or conceal any person for whose arrest a warrant or process shall have been issued as aforesaid, so as to prevent his discovery and arrest after notice or knowledge of the fact that a warrant has been issued for the apprehension of such person, shall, for either of said offences, be subject to a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars, and imprisonment not exceeding six months, by indictment and conviction before the district court of the United States for the district in which said offense may have been committed, or before the proper court of criminal jurisdiction, if committed within any one of the organized Territories of the United States.

Sec. 7. And be it further enacted, That the district attorneys, the marshals, their deputies, and the clerks of the said district and territorial courts shall be paid for their services the like fees as may be allowed to them for similar services in other cases; and in all cases where the proceedings are before a commissioner, he shall be entitled to a fee of ten dollars in full for his services in each case, inclusive of all services incident to such arrest and examination. The person or persons authorized to execute the process to be issued by such commissioners for the arrest of offenders against the provisions of this act shall be entitled to a fee of five dollars for each person he or they may arrest and take before any such commissioner as aforesaid, with such other fees as may be deemed reasonable by such commissioner for such other additional services as may be necessarily performed by him or them, such as attending at the examination, keeping the prisoner in custody, and providing him with food and lodging during his detention, and until the final determination of such commissioner, and in general for performing such other duties as may be required in the premises; such fees to be made up in conformity with the fees usually charged by the officers of the courts of justice within the proper district or county, as near as may be practicable, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States on the certificate of the judge of the district within which the arrest is made, and to be recoverable from the defendant as part of the judgment in case of conviction.

Sec. 8. And be it further enacted, that whenever the President of the United States shall have reason to believe that offences have been or are likely to be committed against the provisions of this act within any judicial district, it shall be lawful for him, in his discretion, to direct the judge, marshal, and district attorney of such district to attend at such place within the district, and for such time as he may designate, for the purpose of the more speedy arrest and trial of persons charged with a violation of this act; and it shall be the duty of every judge or other officer, when any such requisition shall be received by him, to attend at the place and for the time therein designated.

Sec. 9. And be it further enacted, that it shall be lawful for the President of the United States, or such person as he may empower for that purpose, to employ such part of the land or naval forces of the United States, or of the militia, as shall be necessary to prevent the violation and enforce the due execution of this act.

Sec. 10. And be it further enacted, That upon all questions of law arising in any cause under the provisions of this act a final appeal may be taken to the Supreme Court of the United States.


38 posted on 06/07/2011 7:21:37 PM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: freedumb2003
Give it up — fake or not the issue no longer has any political value.

Still matters in the "right or wrong" world.

39 posted on 06/07/2011 7:23:29 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: conservativegramma

>>Than I guess the Constitution no longer has any political value and we should give that one up too??<<

Non sequiturs don’t really advance the ball either.


40 posted on 06/07/2011 7:23:47 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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