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Palin is not running for the republican nomination. She's going rogue!

Posted on 06/19/2011 7:01:27 PM PDT by RED SOUTH

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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
Iowa doesn't matter.

McCain didn't win Iowa and he won the nomination.

Romney realizes that.

He is focusing on Nevada and New Hampshire.

Plus, Iowa will just vote for Obama in 2012 anyway.
101 posted on 06/20/2011 5:25:40 AM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: RED SOUTH
RE :"The big debate has been , is Palin running? She seems to be and at the same time , doesn't seem to be. I think she is running for President but not for the republican nomination. I think she will send shock waves through the political establishment when she does announce that she is running as an Independant , going rogue. That is why she is in no hurry to announce and can wait pass the filing deadlines for republican primaries. Organizing4Palin is in 50 states , she has enough people to get on the ballot in all 50 states. The bus tours , the movie Undefeated is part of a general election strategy instead of a republican primary strategy. Her famous speech in Wisconsin was as much against republicans as it was against democrats. "

I dont think I can buy that idea but I give you credit for laying out your thoughts on this in detail. If Romney got the nomination I wish she would do this.

102 posted on 06/20/2011 5:28:37 AM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: ansel12
The Whig party only lasted 21 years. It wasn’t like they were almost 160 years old.

And your point is?????

103 posted on 06/20/2011 5:29:20 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (November 4, 2008 - the day America drank the Kool-Aid)
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To: DannyTN; RED SOUTH
Nice work, Red.

What most FReepers still captive to the Republican delusion don't understand is that the GOP nomination is worthless to Sarah Palin.

The defeated Romneyites, Pawlenty, Huckabee and Huntsman will endorse Obama (or Hillary), and the "Palin as Goldwater" strategy will succeed.

After Bachmann endorses Romney, this will be even more clear. It is ESSENTIAL for Sarah to run against Romney AND Obama, or Romney AND Hillary.

Running alone against Obama, with the defeated RINOs lukewarm or, worse, in opposition, won't work. Romney, and many others, will be validating Plouffe and Axelrod's main campaign themes for the MSM, either behind the scenes or outright (she's crazy, too stupid, etc, etc).Sarah's political people need to be very patient, to wait until the election crystallizes as "them against them", until "none of the above" is over 40% or 50% in the polls, and THEN (and only then) can the embryo campaign now being put together uncloak.

What an exciting time!

104 posted on 06/20/2011 5:32:20 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The Constitution is overthrown. The Revolution is betrayed.)
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To: RED SOUTH
Please don't bombart this thread with , no third party posts and how it will hand Obama another term. That is just plain false

Even if it's true, so what?

Obama=Romney=Huntsman=Pawlenty=Huckabee.

The inner party is fighting for it's life. If we can't elect an American nationalist and true believer as President, restoring the Republic will need to move on to other means, anyway.

Maybe Sarah running against Obama and Romney will win. Maybe she will lose.

But whether Romney is the GOP nominee, or Obama's VP, or something in between, Sarah still has to beat them both. Denying Romney the GOP nomination won't solve the problem.

105 posted on 06/20/2011 5:37:50 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The Constitution is overthrown. The Revolution is betrayed.)
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To: RED SOUTH
I have been thinking the same thing RED. Sarah, on more than one occasion warned the GOP to get their act together OR ELSE. Trump warned them too. I don't think Sarah wants to run, but if we don't get a good candidate to go up against Obama, she will run. No problem from me. If Romney is the Rep candidate, I hope Sarah goes rogue and takes the worthless party down. It will not make any difference if Obama is the president or if Romney is the president. And forget Michelle, she will NOT beat Obama.
106 posted on 06/20/2011 5:44:10 AM PDT by LuvFreeRepublic (Support our military or leave. I will help you pack BO!)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

It is not a given that Iowa will go for Obama. With a strong Republican at the top of the ticket, we are very likely to vote for the Republican. We had a huge Nov. last year.


107 posted on 06/20/2011 5:45:33 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Jim Noble
Could it be that Palin is positioning herself for the aftermath of a Republican loss? Losing to an outright Socialist in the midst of a terrible recession would be devastating to the Republican party. But, it is entirely possible with Romney as the candidate, even without a third party candidacy.

A Romney loss would also thoroughly discredit the Northeastern/Beltway establishment with the rank and file which is already disaffected with the establishment GOP.

The tea party (and Palin)could well emerge from a Romney loss as the successor to a devastated GOP.

108 posted on 06/20/2011 5:46:42 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (November 4, 2008 - the day America drank the Kool-Aid)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
Since 1988 Iowa has only gone Republican once in 2004. So, it is pretty irrelevant.

Iowa will vote for Obama.
109 posted on 06/20/2011 5:55:53 AM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Diogenesis
You want an opposing analysis? Here's what the "Mama Moose Party" will get you:

If Palin wins the Republican primary then Hurrah! for our team. If she goes third party without even fighting for the Republican primary then she is Ross Perot. If she loses the primary then goes third party she is Lisa Murkowski.

110 posted on 06/20/2011 6:10:08 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: RED SOUTH

There is another theory floating around these threads that Palin will endorse Rick Perry when she announces she will not be a candidate for 2012, assuming he is a candidate. That one obviously contradicts your idea.


111 posted on 06/20/2011 6:12:35 AM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: Minus_The_Bear

You may be right, I don’t know but I’m not going to surrender.


112 posted on 06/20/2011 6:16:09 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: DannyTN

Exactly

To vote for Obama is to spit on Christ


113 posted on 06/20/2011 6:17:15 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2012 OR BUST...NYTimes/MSM wants Bachmann to be the nominee..)
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To: MindBender26

Most significantly, a Palin victory is highly likely.

But even if things turned out otherwise, Sarah Palin is not—based on what we know of her and on her life in general—the kind of individual who would stand in the way of a Palin-led American victory by worrying and fretting about some imagined “mark of a loser.”

This kind of shallow-minded image crafting is only used by rinos, progressives and other narcissists as they scheme for their personal advancement.


114 posted on 06/20/2011 6:43:16 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Pray for Israel.)
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To: wtc911

You are correct.

A run brings her nothing, with the possibility of major losses. Why run?


115 posted on 06/20/2011 6:49:18 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Forget AMEX, remember your Glock 27: Never Leave Home Without It!)
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To: Pan_Yan

Here you miss the entire backdrop.

Murkowski acts on a need for personal gain. Palin acts on principle.

There is a vast difference between the two. Palin can never be Murkowski.

Understanding the difference between them, based the reason given above, defines one’s competence to fill out the voting ballot.


116 posted on 06/20/2011 6:56:18 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Pray for Israel.)
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To: reasonisfaith
A Palin victory in the Republican primaries is quite possible.

I'm sorry, but she would lose the general badly, however, because of the media-generated attacks that still linger over her.

Remember, we do not elect the president. Neither does DU. Middle America does, especially the women, and women who break late (critical in any Presidential election) usually vote AGAINST the female candidate.

117 posted on 06/20/2011 7:43:26 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Forget AMEX, remember your Glock 27: Never Leave Home Without It!)
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To: MindBender26

All we conservatives have to do, is beat you guys in the primary.


118 posted on 06/20/2011 8:09:59 AM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: ansel12
All we conservatives have to do, is beat you guys in the primary.

What you really mean is, "All we hyper-conservatives have to do is beat the mainline, Ronald Reagan conservatives.

That would be a disaster, again.

Winning the general is everything. Nominating a candidate who cannot win the general is idiocy.

Has not Tea Party favorites Sharon Angle and the O'Donnel loon from Maryland ("I am not a witch") been nominated, Harry Reid would be gone and we would have another seat in the HOR.

Remember, Dem's want us to nominate the far-far-right, so they can be defeated in the General!

119 posted on 06/20/2011 8:37:39 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Forget AMEX, remember your Glock 27: Never Leave Home Without It!)
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To: smokingfrog

Slice of Raw onion, Amazing what that will do.


120 posted on 06/20/2011 8:46:06 AM PDT by CJ Wolf (I like it that FR still spell checks "obama")
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To: MindBender26; wtc911

“I’m sorry, but she would lose the general badly, however, because of the media-generated attacks that still linger over her.”

To make such a statement and sound like you’re confident of it, almost a year and a half from the election, can only come from a desire for her to lose. (Especially since The Undefeated has yet to be released.) The truth is you have no real confidence.

Remember, the Marxists will do anything to prevent a Palin presidency. They’re not worried about Romney, or Pawlenty. They could handle Cain or Bachmann, whether in totally derailing them at the campaign level or otherwise.

But against Palin, they are defenseless.

Remember, the Marxists have latched on to an ideology that is completely worthless and in denying this fact subconsciously they are protecting themselves in the short term from the knowledge that they are intellectually inferior (as seen by the absense of any thoughtfully and openly articulated defense of Marxism), morally bankrupt and spiritually lost.


121 posted on 06/20/2011 8:49:20 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Pray for Israel.)
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To: MindBender26

No one can be more appealing than the most popular Governor in America, a person that you seem willing to concede can win the GOP primary along with other GOP primary winners such as HW Bush, Bob Dole, Richard Nixon, Ford, and John McCain.

Palin is a uniter, not a divider, you do not consistently run in the 80 to 93% approval ratings as a Governor, unless you can reach all the people.

Your liberal agenda is a strange one for freerepublic.


122 posted on 06/20/2011 8:51:04 AM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: MindBender26


123 posted on 06/20/2011 8:54:43 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: Still Thinking
Speciesist!

Now, that's not cool. Some of my best friends are Chigasians.

124 posted on 06/20/2011 9:22:24 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Speaking to your first post about the MSM telling us to pick McCain as an electable moderate, that certainly is true in fact liberals have told me they like McCain compared to other Republicans, but of course all voted for Obama.

To me McCain was worse than a moderate, he was a moderate that tried to flip most of his long standing positions to conservate sounding ones just for the 2008 election, and then his senate primary because he was challenged. In other words, he was a phony who would cause great damage in the WH. Now enter Romney who is likely to follow the same path as Mccain if he got the nomination.


125 posted on 06/20/2011 9:30:00 AM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: sickoflibs
"Now enter Romney who is likely to follow the same path as Mccain if he got the nomination."

However Palin is not going to run and the hard-wired Republicans will vote the R {for Romney] on election day.

126 posted on 06/20/2011 9:38:36 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: reasonisfaith
"To make such a statement and sound like you’re confident of it, almost a year and a half from the election, can only come from a desire for her to lose."

No, it comes from someone with 40 years experience following national elections and reading the polls.

I hate the reality that Sarah cannot win the national election, but I accept its reality.

127 posted on 06/20/2011 9:47:04 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Forget AMEX, remember your Glock 27: Never Leave Home Without It!)
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To: Windflier
Now, that's not cool. Some of my best friends are Chigasians.

Well, The Won himself is from..."Chicago"! Concidence? I think not! No wonder he's so sensitive about it.

128 posted on 06/20/2011 9:47:18 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: MindBender26

I love, support her, and wish she could be President.... but know she is too smart to run.

You are discounting her servant’s heart and her faith in the Lord. She is smart enough to know that she is uniquely qualified to fix what is wrong and that God will guide her and protect her and her family as she leads a nation back to HIM.


129 posted on 06/20/2011 9:47:59 AM PDT by Josephat
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To: ex-snook
RE :"However Palin is not going to run and the hard-wired Republicans will vote the R {for Romney] on election day."

At this stage I cant argue with either point, early 2008 many Republicans (RINOs) in Maryland told me they thought Mccain was the best candidate (much to my distress) and those ones thought Palin was a drag to him. I personally thought McCain would get beaten by Obama because he was a crappy candidate, and I knew it after Bush made the TARP speech. His loss had little to do with Palin.

Alternatively you got others that seem to think Palin would have won 2008 in a landslide, that is a stretch too. 2008 was going to be a bad year for any Republican candidate and probably just as well we threw away Mccain then.

130 posted on 06/20/2011 9:54:31 AM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: ansel12
Surely you jest.

Someone who can read the tea leaves, loves Gov Palin but realizes she cannot win the General is a liberal?

Pleeeze.

You quote polls. Here are some others.

From ABC/WAPO

“42% of Republicans ‘definitely would not’ vote for Sarah Palin from this month.

The results of a new ABC News/Washington Post poll released Tuesday bear ill omen for former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.

Nearly two-third of those surveyed said they “definitely would not” vote for Palin should she decide to run for president in 2012. It's known that she is generally unpopular with Democrats and Independent voters, but the knife in her candidacy is further twisted by the poll numbers from Republicans: 42 percent of GOPers surveyed rejected voting for her.

More than six in 10 surveyed said that Palin was not qualified to be president.”

Those are fatal numbers. When a candidate needs 88 to 90% of his/her party to vote for them, and 42% say they would not, that is fatal.

Most of this is not her fault. She was horribly (not) prepared by the McCain team for the media in 2008. Secondly, it's always the first one off the landing craft that gets shot. She was the first big time female conservative candidate. She has set the stage for Bachman and others, but like Katherine Harris before her, once the Dems and the MSM have it in for you, it never stops.

And remember the dirty little secret of female elective politics. Women TURN AGAINST conservatives, ESPECAILLY IF THE CANDIDATE IS FEMALE.

Trust me, I wish the reality was better, but, unfortunately, it is not.

131 posted on 06/20/2011 9:58:27 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Forget AMEX, remember your Glock 27: Never Leave Home Without It!)
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To: MindBender26

A fake conservative would be the person that when they get a conservative that can actually win the Republican Presidential primary, goes to war against that possibility.

Palin is, and has been neck and neck for the 2012 nomination against Romney since 2008, yet your fight, is to stop Palin.


132 posted on 06/20/2011 10:10:13 AM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: Diogenesis
Dio, you need to be really, really careful about labeling other Freepers. I will never understand the level of blind hatred that would cause another conservative to vote for Obama over Romney. Ever. To do that is to cast a vote for the destruction of America. I love my country more than I hate Romney. If we think Obama has done irreversible damage to our country in just two years, imagine what he can do with eight years.
133 posted on 06/20/2011 10:22:09 AM PDT by ChocChipCookie (Jonah is my patron saint.)
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To: MindBender26

But you must be lying.

Strategically, there is no reason for someone who wants Palin to win to claim, a year and a half before the fact, that she can’t win.

Because if you know anything about presidential elections, anything can happen even in a month’s time, and there are sixteen months still to come.

If you want her to win, your strategy should be to promote that possibility as a likely one.

So either you really do want her to win but are just a little dumb, or you really do have 40 years of viable knowledge about election politics and are lying. If the latter, you may not be dumb about elections but you are kind of dumb in the grander scheme of things.


134 posted on 06/20/2011 10:22:48 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Pray for Israel.)
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Take your personal bullshit and shove it!

This might be the steroids talking...

Seriously, are you OK?

135 posted on 06/20/2011 10:48:57 AM PDT by gogeo (...and if you're greener than Gore, you're green enough!!! Robert A Hall)
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To: ansel12
It's not my “fight.”

If she runs, I will support her in every way possible, max out $, campaign, surrogate speak, etc.

I just think, from experience and dinner conversations, that she is too smart to run.

As far as numbers changing, yes they do, but the hate of her is so deep-seated among so many fools and the liberal hate groups, those numbers cannot be overcome.

And Sarah would be the first to tell you, it's about the issues and winning the General, it's not about her personally.

136 posted on 06/20/2011 10:49:56 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Forget AMEX, remember your Glock 27: Never Leave Home Without It!)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
This is crazy talk and if Palin would even think of this, she is no patriot--she is a traitor and deserves NO respect, yet alone a vote...

I guess we disagree.

137 posted on 06/20/2011 10:53:27 AM PDT by gogeo (...and if you're greener than Gore, you're green enough!!! Robert A Hall)
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To: reasonisfaith
I do know a bit about Presidential elections. My first one covered was Goldwater v. Johnson.

Numbers can turn very quickly, but we cannot remove the deep-seated hate among the liberal groups that drive her numbers.... even her Republican numbers.

If she runs I would support her in every way possible. I just think she is way too smart to run.

She will ensure the nominated candidate is as conservative as possible, but she will be the King-maker, not the King.

138 posted on 06/20/2011 10:54:51 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Forget AMEX, remember your Glock 27: Never Leave Home Without It!)
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To: Vendome
That is a real possibility but if Romney should ascend to the position of sole candidate you can rest assured the GOP will have cut its own throat...

Driven off a cliff.

Seems to me we should not willingly go along for the ride.

139 posted on 06/20/2011 11:06:54 AM PDT by gogeo (...and if you're greener than Gore, you're green enough!!! Robert A Hall)
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To: MindBender26

Give a charismatic conservative a billion dollar campaign against Obama, and the voters will come to her and Republican turnout will be awesome, Palin has a history of big victories.

Palin is better for the GOP and the entire ticket, than her challenger, Mitt Romney


140 posted on 06/20/2011 11:07:37 AM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: Jim Scott
The nonsense often bandied about these forums that Sarah Palin is, in effect, ‘only in it for the money’ is one of the left’s PDS talking points and unworthy of a conservative forum...

...and unworthy of conservatives.

. The Palin-as-kingmaker concept is also flawed when one looks at her record, which is hardly that of a manipulating power-driven pol...

Would her ability to be a kingmaker survive her decision not to run? Hard to say.

Again, aside from the trolls, too many liberal talking points are used against Sarah Palin by folks who should know better...

I worry about the future of the party and the country when conservatives are yoked with the likes of these.

141 posted on 06/20/2011 11:20:04 AM PDT by gogeo (...and if you're greener than Gore, you're green enough!!! Robert A Hall)
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To: gogeo

Thank you for being civil about it. Too many on here are not civil. We can disagree without being disagreeable.


142 posted on 06/20/2011 11:23:50 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: wtc911
Sounds like you've been giving this a lot of thought...

...about why Palin shouldn't run.

143 posted on 06/20/2011 11:26:14 AM PDT by gogeo (...and if you're greener than Gore, you're green enough!!! Robert A Hall)
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To: ansel12
Palin is better for the GOP and the entire ticket, than her challenger, Mitt Romney

Agree totally. Romney loses Iowa (he is not their kind of candidate) and $ dry up. Then, with no $, he loses NH, and it's all over. He is Guilianni, 2012.

Palin will not run.

Right now the field is wide open, and the eventual candidate may not even be mentioned at this point.

Remember the name Thune.

144 posted on 06/20/2011 11:34:19 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Forget AMEX, remember your Glock 27: Never Leave Home Without It!)
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To: CharacterCounts
The tea party (and Palin)could well emerge from a Romney loss as the successor to a devastated GOP...

Very plausible.

145 posted on 06/20/2011 11:35:21 AM PDT by gogeo (...and if you're greener than Gore, you're green enough!!! Robert A Hall)
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To: reasonisfaith
Understanding the difference between them, based the reason given above, defines one’s competence to fill out the voting ballot...

Very well stated, and VERY TRUE.

146 posted on 06/20/2011 11:37:23 AM PDT by gogeo (...and if you're greener than Gore, you're green enough!!! Robert A Hall)
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To: MindBender26
I'm sorry, but she would lose the general badly, however, because of the media-generated attacks that still linger over her...

Every time I see this 'logic' I shake my head.

What conservative candidate worth voting for will not be savagely attacked by the press?

147 posted on 06/20/2011 11:38:56 AM PDT by gogeo (...and if you're greener than Gore, you're green enough!!! Robert A Hall)
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To: gogeo
Sounds like you've been giving this a lot of thought... ...about why Palin shouldn't run.

________________________________________

Half right.

I have given a lot of thought to her actual, real-world qualifications based on her performance as mayor and Governor as well as to whether or not her quitting with multiple excuses would kill her chance to be elected and imo she is neither qualified nor electable.

148 posted on 06/20/2011 11:42:01 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: MindBender26
What you really mean is, "All we hyper-conservatives have to do is beat the mainline, Ronald Reagan conservatives...

What does that mean? What makes some a hyper-conservative, and what makes one a "mainline, Ronald Reagan conservative?"

I'm amazed that some don't recognize the very rhetoric being used against Palin was also used against Reagan.

IMO, trying to create daylight between RR and what you call "hyper-conservatives," is flawed in the premise.

149 posted on 06/20/2011 11:43:47 AM PDT by gogeo (...and if you're greener than Gore, you're green enough!!! Robert A Hall)
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To: MindBender26

No, I don’t see Thune suddenly becoming somebody, then sweeping the conservative base, then suddenly becoming a record breaking, fund raising monster, and then crushing the already in place, fully developed, GOP establishment supported, Romney machine.


150 posted on 06/20/2011 11:44:51 AM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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