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Britain must resist Tea Party thinking (We have always been at war with with Eastasia)
The London Guardian ^ | August 1, 2011 | Polly Toynbee

Posted on 08/01/2011 5:39:59 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

As unreason triumphs in the US, a similar paranoia and refusal to accept scientific fact threaten to invade British politics.

Tea Party madness has brought the US to the brink of economic mayhem, risking taking much of the world with it. In the face of obdurate unreason, the president of hyper-reasonableness was forced to surrender. The economic credibility of the country that holds the global reserve currency has wobbled. The political credibility of the world's beacon of democracy has failed in the face of an insurgency of unreason. Facts, evidence, probability, possibility – none of that matters to a movement founded on ferocious fantasy.

The founding fathers built a constitution of checks and balances believing reasonable men would agree; how could they foresee Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann or Glenn Beck? To the British eye, America was always dangerously prone to waves of populism and McCarthyite panics. The country has reached a deadlock that may set it on a faster road to decline as absolute intransigence creates a constitution that no longer functions. Why bother with the great show of presidential elections when presidents are denied the power to match their pomp? The politics of miasma, where words matter more than facts and actions, lets the Tea Party demand the impossible – debt reduction with tax cuts, spending cuts without touching the gargantuan defence budget. Obama believed against all the evidence that his opponents would see reason. That's not who they are.

I worked in Washington during Watergate and the fall of Richard Nixon; even in that national trauma there was not this unbridgeable detestation between the red and the blue. What happened? The rise of the Tea Party owes a great deal to Rupert Murdoch's Fox TV....

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: agw; climatechange; debtceiling; globalwarming; murdoch; obama; palin; teaparty; teapartyrebellion; waronfox
I think Mr. Spock wears a clown outfit in her alternate reality.
1 posted on 08/01/2011 5:40:04 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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she’s misinformed.

but, hey! since when did the gerbalists today care about facts and rational argumentation?


2 posted on 08/01/2011 5:41:32 PM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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A point of clarification: It’s not the London Guardian, it’s simply the Guardian, a national paper. Many years ago, they were the Manchester Guardian. The Sunday version is the Observer.


3 posted on 08/01/2011 5:41:33 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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Please, Guard-idiots, science never has and never will be your friend.

Stick to marshmallow lib arts stuff...which you don’t understand either...but you don’t understand less of it.


4 posted on 08/01/2011 5:43:10 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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“Britain must resist Tea Party thinking”

Was this written in Britain 1775?


5 posted on 08/01/2011 5:45:26 PM PDT by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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"The president of hyper-reasonableness..."

I think she means hyper-space.

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6 posted on 08/01/2011 5:45:34 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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Tea Party madness has brought the US to the brink of economic mayhem...

Yea, how dare us suggest that the United States stop spending money they don't have?!

7 posted on 08/01/2011 5:45:45 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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HUH??? WTF???

8 posted on 08/01/2011 5:46:10 PM PDT by Leo Carpathian (fffffFRrrreeeeepppeeee-ssed!)
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Isn't the Guardian the paper produced by the patients at London's Bethlehem Hospital?
9 posted on 08/01/2011 5:46:33 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (The Repubs and Dems are arguing whether to pour 9 or 10 buckets of gasoline on a burning house.)
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Is this a dispatch from a parallel universe? (cue “Twilight Zone” theme).


10 posted on 08/01/2011 5:49:27 PM PDT by Walrus (You can't begin a revolution with establishment leaders)
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The tea party has been in “power” for 5 months, yet these idiots blame them for the current economic situation. They know they’re wrong, this is just pure communist propaganda. Nothing unusual here.


11 posted on 08/01/2011 5:49:48 PM PDT by Protoss
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ha, they forgot about the tea party that kicked their a$$?!???


12 posted on 08/01/2011 5:52:42 PM PDT by hope
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Nixon, Beck, Fox, Palin and Bachmann references...

Never Carter, Clinton, LBJ, FDR, Barney Frank, Chuck Schumer, Pelosi, Reid or George Soros references.

Liberals will fold when stood up to.

Screw this British Lefty hag.


13 posted on 08/01/2011 5:55:59 PM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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She was at least following a coherent, if sadly mistaken, thought pattern, but then took a flyer and started nattering on about “global warming.”
It’s a lemming-like characteristic of libs everywhere I suppose. You ask them how they ard and they say: “Warm. Because of global warming.”
It must be the gap between her teeth: Chaucer said that was the mark of a saucy woman. Or a silly girl ...
stick to all things English, Polly.
You ignorant slut.


14 posted on 08/01/2011 5:56:10 PM PDT by tumblindice (`No one's life, liberty or property is safe while Congress is in session.' MT)
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>>we should become “Grossly intolerant of pseudo-science, the cherry-picking of the facts and the failure to use scientific evidence and scientific method”.<<

The irony of a Brit to say this is only palpable to the well-informed.


15 posted on 08/01/2011 5:56:31 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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Don’t know about any of you but I’m damn fed up and tired of Brits thinking they know our country and it’s political system.


16 posted on 08/01/2011 5:58:21 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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Polly clings to her Global Warming.
No wonder she’s bitter.


17 posted on 08/01/2011 6:00:52 PM PDT by Mr. Peabody
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“... the president of hyper-reasonableness ...” (Obama)

This woman is truly a bird brain. Polly want a cracker?

18 posted on 08/01/2011 6:01:47 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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Would suggest these clowns in Great Britain read their own history book account of Edmund Burke's "Speech on Conciliation with the Colonies."

Burke summarizes what free individuals, operating largely on their own, without any government planning, government spending, or government control can accomplish in creating wealth which, according to his careful accounting, far exceeded that of the British themselves.

Guardian's so-called "journalist" might also study the philosophy of America's original TEA partiers who would be proud of the great mass of citizens in 2011 who understand that it is liberty which is the great prize. Coercive government power brings tyranny and want, not freedom and plenty.

Finally, Sir Winston Churchill, upon leaving office as Prime Minister in 1945, was prophetic for Great Britain, and as it turns out, the United States and the world.

"I do not believe in the power of the State to plan and enforce. No matter how numerous are the committees they set up or the ever-growing hordes of officials they employ or the severity of the punishments they inflict or threaten, they can't approach the high level of internal economic production achieved under free enterprise. Personal initiative, competitive selection, and profit motive corrected by failure and the infinite processes of good housekeeping and personal ingenuity, these constitute the life of a free society. It is this vital creative impulse that I deeply fear the doctrines and policies of the socialist government has destroyed. Nothing that they can plan and order and rush around enforcing will take its place. They have broken the main spring and until we get a new one, the watch wil not go. Set the people free. Get out of the way and let them make the best of themselves. I am sure that this policy of equalizing misery and organizing society--instead of allowing diligence, self-interest and ingenuity to produce abundance--has only to be prolonged to kill this British Island stone dead."

19 posted on 08/01/2011 6:02:46 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: Mister Da

This twat wanks into a pub with a parrot on his shoulder.

The bartender says, “`ey, we don’ want no trouble! So where’d you get him anyway?”

And the parrot says, “Fleet Street. There’s thousands of `em there.”


20 posted on 08/01/2011 6:07:31 PM PDT by tumblindice (`No one's life, liberty or property is safe while Congress is in session.' MT)
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Just more leftwing rants abuot how great debt and big government are

blah blah


21 posted on 08/01/2011 6:10:11 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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Hey polly toynbee... blow it out your gargantuan socialist arse!

LLS

22 posted on 08/01/2011 6:10:50 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (juan mccain certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: GeronL; 2ndDivisionVet

That kind of stupid really ought to hurt. Being so incapable of independent thought should be painful too.


23 posted on 08/01/2011 6:13:17 PM PDT by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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Bttt for the EvilSpock reference.


24 posted on 08/01/2011 6:16:56 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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Maybe Britain will loan us some money.

They saywe need to keep borrowing, well: Let them do the loaning.


25 posted on 08/01/2011 6:19:00 PM PDT by Venturer
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"In the face of obdurate unreason, the president of hyper-reasonableness was forced to surrender."

How is it that, when a sizeable portion of the population of a country already 14 trillion in debt, decides that's enough debt, that is called 'obdurate unreason"?

26 posted on 08/01/2011 6:27:56 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing an idiot)
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Brittan needs a magnum dose of the T.E.A. Party. Then they will really find the slaves revolting.
27 posted on 08/01/2011 6:31:36 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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Why bother with the great show of presidential elections when presidents are denied the power to match their pomp?

Are we talking Kings or dictators here?

I'd love to see how liberals would react if we had actually cut spending.

28 posted on 08/01/2011 6:50:14 PM PDT by Soul Seeker ( I was there when we had the numbers, but didn’t have the principles.---Jim DeMint)
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Wanting the country to spend no more than it takes in apparently makes one a terrorist lunatic.

God help us all.

29 posted on 08/01/2011 7:04:51 PM PDT by comebacknewt ((on second thought, never mind, go away again Newt))
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Britain must resist Tea Party thinking

No worry, they don't drink tea in Britain!

30 posted on 08/01/2011 7:06:18 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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I’m really getting tired of bizarre leftists making uninformed, derogatory statements about the Tea Partiers. I choose to ignore them.


31 posted on 08/01/2011 7:36:12 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The Liberal Era is over.)
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How cool.

They think we're crazy.

It doesn't get any better than this. I hope everyone is enjoying the apoplectic left as it begins it's full, foaming at the mouth stage.

Ironically, we didn't win a damn thing.

32 posted on 08/01/2011 7:55:04 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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Ahhh ... those wacky Brits ...


33 posted on 08/01/2011 8:24:11 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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Two years ago, the Guardian ridiculed the Tea Party. Now they're paranoid that the Tea Party might cross the Atlantic.
34 posted on 08/01/2011 9:08:17 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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You forgot the barf alert. Luckily I've been wearing a bib
and keeping a bucket nearby since Oblahblah sneaked into
office just in case. Nearly got my puter that time.
35 posted on 08/01/2011 9:37:41 PM PDT by WePledge (Ich werde fur immer ein Hollenhund werden. Semper Fidelis)
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