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Oops: Red Jacket Firearms Loses Their FFL (Sons of Guns)
The Truth About Guns ^ | December 23, 2011 | Dan Zimmerman

Posted on 12/24/2011 6:25:15 PM PST by PilotDave

Things went swimmingly until 2009 … when the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms conducted a routine inspection of RJF and discovered 10 guns registered to the company could not be accounted for … a big, BIG problem. We’re told the feds pinned the blame on William and Stephanie — and were looking to take serious action that could have resulted in the end of RJF.

But law enforcement sources tell us … the Hayden’s struck a deal with feds in 2010, in which the two agreed to surrender their gun-making licenses … and in exchange, they could appoint a LICENSED person to take over the company. It didn’t take long for William and Stephanie to pick their successor … they went with Vincent Buckles… — another gunsmith often featured on the reality show.

(Excerpt) Read more at thetruthaboutguns.com ...


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; guns
Interesting.
1 posted on 12/24/2011 6:25:29 PM PST by PilotDave
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To: PilotDave
"Things went swimmingly until 2009 … when the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms conducted a routine inspection of RJF and discovered 10 guns registered to the company could not be accounted for … a big, BIG problem."

A big problem...unless you're the ATF and lose track of a couple of thousand rifles in Mexico.

2 posted on 12/24/2011 6:28:33 PM PST by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: PilotDave

I am not surprised, they break plenty of cardinal rules on their show all the time.


3 posted on 12/24/2011 6:29:49 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: PilotDave

I like Vincent but don’t care much for Will.

Kinda funny that Will gives a disclaimer about obeying the law and all that before each show.


4 posted on 12/24/2011 6:29:53 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: PilotDave

We suffer from to much government.


5 posted on 12/24/2011 6:30:03 PM PST by exnavy (May the Lord bless and keep our troops.)
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To: PilotDave

These are the same knuckleheads that drove a truck full of explosives into an airport white zone.


6 posted on 12/24/2011 6:31:59 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Flag_This

That is damn funny and sad right there!


7 posted on 12/24/2011 6:32:59 PM PST by ScottinSacto
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To: Flag_This

That is damn funny and sad right there!


8 posted on 12/24/2011 6:33:14 PM PST by ScottinSacto
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To: Flag_This

That is damn funny and sad right there!


9 posted on 12/24/2011 6:33:34 PM PST by ScottinSacto
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To: Flag_This; MestaMachine; Joe Brower; marktwain; neverdem
Yeah, the DOJ and ATF have a lot of moral authority left, to go after Red Jacket for some tiny accounting error.

Get back to me when Red Jacket guns are directly linked to over 300 dead Mexicans, and at least one Border Patrol agent.


10 posted on 12/24/2011 6:34:19 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: ScottinSacto

They haven’t dealt with it on the show. It’d be an interesting episode. Probably part of the deal to not mention it.


11 posted on 12/24/2011 6:35:17 PM PST by PilotDave (No, really, you just can't make this stuff up!!!)
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To: Travis McGee

They use a lot of cannibalized gun parts, I’m guessing that’s where the paperwork on the guns got screwed up.


12 posted on 12/24/2011 6:36:05 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: PilotDave

ATF is a serious problem.


13 posted on 12/24/2011 6:36:14 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: PilotDave

I had a feeling they would have trouble with the ATF. They were having too much fun with guns on national television.


14 posted on 12/24/2011 6:38:43 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Travis McGee

Amen!


15 posted on 12/24/2011 6:39:46 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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I didn't really mind the show until they did some episodes providing military weapons to civilian law enforcement. I suppose I can understand the full-auto Thompson smg for the Sheriffs department, but mounting an M-240B and Mk-19 on a watercraft was just too much.

A belt fed machine gun and full auto grenade launcher on a civilian law enforcement vehicle is setting off all sorts of red flags, as far as I'm concerned.

Mark

16 posted on 12/24/2011 6:45:08 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: MarkL

Will Hayden is a retired cop and reserve officer I believe.


17 posted on 12/24/2011 6:49:53 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: MarkL
A belt fed machine gun and full auto grenade launcher on a civilian law enforcement vehicle is setting off all sorts of red flags, as far as I'm concerned.

Agreed but it was really cool. Imagine a MK19 on a bass boat with HE rounds.

18 posted on 12/24/2011 6:55:13 PM PST by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!!)
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To: MarkL

“A belt fed machine gun and full auto grenade launcher on a civilian law enforcement vehicle”

Don’t forget the smoke grenade launcher. I guess they needed that to mark the targets for the close air support..??


19 posted on 12/24/2011 7:00:39 PM PST by PilotDave (No, really, you just can't make this stuff up!!!)
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To: MarkL

One of my pet peeves is that they point guns at each other.
Another is that they like to place tannerite charges inside things like cars.
Shrapnel is how people get hurt.


20 posted on 12/24/2011 7:04:06 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: PilotDave
From TMZ:

TMZ has learned Vincent Buckles has since left the company -- and two other licensed people are currently in charge of the business.

For those who don't know the characters, Vince is on the left:


21 posted on 12/24/2011 7:09:20 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo

Seems to me that Vincent was the brains. He was always telling Will what was and wasn’t safe and Will was always reminding him who owned the company.

Personally I prefer the new show with the family that runs the gun shop in Colorado.


22 posted on 12/24/2011 7:12:53 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: mylife

How about the Burn Notice bumper where Mike and Fi just casually toss a pistol around? That annoys the daylights out of me.


23 posted on 12/24/2011 7:15:08 PM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: cripplecreek
Personally I prefer the new show with the family that runs the gun shop in Colorado.

A couple miles from me. Never my favorite shop though. Expensive and snobby.

24 posted on 12/24/2011 7:16:14 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: wally_bert

I have never seen Burn Notice, but yes, that annoys me.


25 posted on 12/24/2011 7:16:25 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: MarkL

The Richland County SD has a surplus 113 APC and a Browning Ma Duece that they show off sometimes.

http://tysonneil.smugmug.com/Other/Odds-Ends/13024344_NWrKKX#1408195348_NFgXKFN

They had it open that day and minus the 50 cal.

I drove a 113 once in a while in NG and it was fun a few times.


26 posted on 12/24/2011 7:17:58 PM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: MarkL

Whew I am sure that the local LEO’s are happy to have your advice on what is needed in this jurisdiction. In a free society the local voters will voice their opinions at the polls. I am sure that more than one sherrif has been sent packing for being a little overzealous. Barring that it is not my sherrif so it is not my issue.

You think it questionable. Fine. (apply 2nd amendmant here)


27 posted on 12/24/2011 7:20:09 PM PST by ping jockey (We have arrogant jerks for leaders and WE will pay the highest cost.)
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To: cripplecreek

Yes, some of the” guns” could be just receivers. But that is all it takes.


28 posted on 12/24/2011 7:26:23 PM PST by MCF
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To: mylife

Burn Notice is a fun mix of Rockford/MacGyver/A-Team action where stuff gets blown up, people shot and sometimes killed, twists and turns, and Bruce Campbell.


29 posted on 12/24/2011 7:30:14 PM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: cripplecreek
Personally I prefer the new show with the family that runs the gun shop in Colorado.

I did too, for one episode. Then I discovered that every episode is exactly the same. "Hey, let's build a gun for a client, in a crazy short amount of time." "Meanwhile, let's fly a helicopter to a rich client, and offer him a stack of cash for some guns."

Has to be the most painfully obvious staged "reality" show on television.

30 posted on 12/24/2011 7:34:49 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: PilotDave
Thoseshirts.com has a t-shirt with the following statement: The bureau of alcohol, tobacco, and firearms should be the name of a convenience store not a federal bureaucracy.
31 posted on 12/24/2011 7:53:31 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: mylife

The show “American Guns” on the Discovery Channel uses similar rounds and they’ve had a couple of close calls. They blew up a target and it threw flaming debris on them and another time they set the field on fire and the fire department had to scramble to put it out before it spread.


32 posted on 12/24/2011 8:03:42 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson (Democrats: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.")
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To: PilotDave

I Liked the show,I just didn’t appreciate that the owner of the company seemed to take all of the credit for the accomplishments of his employees.

Other than that the show and his employees were great and highly skilled in their professions.


33 posted on 12/24/2011 8:06:25 PM PST by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

Yes, I saw that.


34 posted on 12/24/2011 8:09:50 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: PilotDave

The same ATF which purposely allowed thousands of guns to walk?


35 posted on 12/24/2011 8:27:14 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Let's apply the "reasonable man" standard to gun laws. How many would stand?)
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To: Flag_This
Well… It’s Okay when the government violates the law – especially when it’s to subvert some ‘old documents’ that limit their ability to “Fundamentally change the country”.

/sarc

36 posted on 12/24/2011 9:39:57 PM PST by Voice of Reason1 ("Absolute power corrupts absolutely” Lord Acton 1887)
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To: PilotDave

On the one hand, it gets some interested in guns as some on the other site mentioned in their comments.

And it probably drives the gun grabbers crazy since they would really like it if guns were never discussed at all in the public forum.

On the other hand, they get a bit too self righteous with the “don’t do this at home” warning – like the rest of us aren’t allowed to have guns or the right to defend ourselves.

The worst aspect of the show is their outfitting the local LEO’s with all manner of military grade weapons.

The shotgun/Taser was a particularly disturbing product of theirs – no sane person would want to have lethal and non lethal incorporated into one weapon.

One mistake by an officer in a tense situation could result in someone getting killed when non-lethal force was supposed to be employed and inadvertently, the wrong trigger is pulled.


37 posted on 12/24/2011 9:56:45 PM PST by Voice of Reason1 ("Absolute power corrupts absolutely” Lord Acton 1887)
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To: PilotDave

That’s BS! They rebuilt a Lahti today and were cracking me up with the Smurf stuff.


38 posted on 12/24/2011 11:12:42 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Travis McGee
From the last part of the article:

Guess no one ever told them the ATF can be sticklers about keeping track of guns. Unless they’re headed south of the border, that is.

39 posted on 12/24/2011 11:25:33 PM PST by chemicalman (The more support I see,the harder I want to work,and the more determined I am not to let folks down.)
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To: Voice of Reason1
The shotgun/Taser was a particularly disturbing product of theirs – no sane person would want to have lethal and non lethal incorporated into one weapon.

I can imagine a sane but evil person wanting plausible deniability if they "accidentally" shoot someone they want dead.

40 posted on 12/26/2011 12:52:42 PM PST by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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To: supercat

Yes, that’s a scary thought indeed.

In the stress of a shooting, someone could simply say they pulled the wrong trigger in the wrong hand a blew someone away instead of tasing them.


41 posted on 12/26/2011 2:46:21 PM PST by Voice of Reason1 ("Absolute power corrupts absolutely” Lord Acton 1887)
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To: exnavy

>>We suffer from to much government<<

Let me fix that. We suffer from too damn much government.


42 posted on 12/26/2011 3:02:13 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: MarkL
>>providing military weapons to civilian law enforcement.<<

Oh man, my thoughts exactly. Couldn't understand why a Sheriff would need a grenade launcher or that caliber of machine gun.

DHS has been providing millions in grant money to upgrade local law enforcement agencies with military hardware across the nation.

Spy drones here in Montgomery co. Texas that can be equipped with shotguns, teargas and so forth.

Curious why?

Anyone had similar experiences?

43 posted on 12/26/2011 3:09:05 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: servantboy777

Yes, we need to reset to the founders plan in order to survive. And soon.


44 posted on 12/26/2011 11:26:03 PM PST by exnavy (May the Lord bless and keep our troops.)
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To: MarkL

There is NO need for a Police dept to have any belt fed weapons. If it comes to deploying such weapons then the police lost all control of the situation.
Whats next: A10s with sirens and blinkers?


45 posted on 01/01/2012 3:40:58 AM PST by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: Yorlik803
The internet is a crazy place - damned if there isn't a picture of an A-10 with "State Trooper" written across it's wing and flashing lights on top!

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46 posted on 01/18/2012 7:20:12 AM PST by Sax
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