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Douglas Kennedy, son of the late Robert F. Kennedy, charged with hospital assault
Media Spy ^ | 2-26-2012 | Tim Blight

Posted on 02/26/2012 8:50:05 AM PST by smoothsailing

Fox News reporter charged with hospital assault

Tim Blight

February 26, 2012

Douglas Kennedy, Fox News correspondent and son of the late Robert F. Kennedy, has been charged with assault after a 7 January incident in a New York hospital.

2 nurses at the Mt Kisco hospital alleged that Kennedy became violent after they tried to prevent him from taking his newborn son Bo outside of the ward. Kennedy says he wanted to "get some fresh air" and had already received permission from other nurses on duty, Reuters reports.

The confrontation began after nurses issued a "code pink", an alert that someone is attempting to abduct a baby. The incident was partially caught on surveillance camera; although obscured by a doorway, nurse Cari Luciano can be seen falling to the ground.

Luciano stated that Kennedy "raised his right foot and with tremendous force kicked [her] in the pelvis area". Another nurse, Anna Lane, accused the New York-based journalist of twisting her arm, although this appears off screen on the surveillance video.

Kennedy has been charged with harassment and endangering the welfare of a child.

Kennedy and his wife have labeled accusations "absurd" in an interview with NBC New York. His lawyer, Robert Gottlieb, called the altercation the result of "aggressive and grossly inappropriate behavior by two nurses".

"Whatever Douglas did came about only because the nurse was lunging to grab his child from his arms. What Douglas did was simply to protect his baby," he added.

A date for the hearing has not yet been announced.


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To: mkjessup

The eyewitness was a friend of the family- not reliable.
Report me to the mods- all I am saying is that no man should hit a woman.No matter what the issue is about.
If you believe that, then you are a sack of sh*t.
Also, you are defending a Kennedy on FR.
Pretty sad.


101 posted on 02/26/2012 1:03:49 PM PST by kaila
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To: kaila; Ernie Kaputnik; Texan5
Obviously, you have not looked at the video.

I direct your attention to the post made by Texan5 at #83 and pay close attention to the 4th paragraph.

That nurse did not deserve the assault.

Neither I nor Ernie Kaputnik deserved being accused by YOU of assaulting women or advocating violence towards women, look up the saying about being 'hoisted upon one's pitard' and if you have any class at all, you will apologize for your unwise and reckless comments.
102 posted on 02/26/2012 1:04:46 PM PST by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what e.coli is to an all-you-can-eat salad bar. NO ROMNEY!!!)
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To: mkjessup

Nope, not going to apologize at all.
If you defend Kennedys actions, then you think it is ok to assault women.
As a nurse, who has been assaulted by patients, I take umbrage to your remarks.


103 posted on 02/26/2012 1:07:18 PM PST by kaila
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To: mkjessup
Not easy to see much humor with the local lynch mob foaming at the mouth around here.

I watched the surveillance video and was surprised to see the 5 foot tall nurse go sliding backwards across the floor after allegedly being kicked in the pelvis. If that gets explained honestly and verifiably, I think we'll know then whether or not there's a need for a lynch mob.

104 posted on 02/26/2012 1:08:38 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: kaila; All
The eyewitness was a friend of the family- not reliable.

Oh, so now you're a prosecutor? What else do you do? Levitate on demand? Peer into crystal balls and divine the truth in such matters? It's not up to you to determine if an eyewitness is 'reliable' or not, that's the job of the court, but hey: why bother with such mere formalities, right?

Report me to the mods- all I am saying is that no man should hit a woman.No matter what the issue is about.

I did report you, and you said MORE than "no man should hit a woman", you accused two FReepers of either assaulting women or advocating violence against women, all because you are in a pique of anger due to your kneejerk reaction. I haven't suggested that you hate men, but you've wasted no time in accusing me and Ernie of hating women to the point of assaulting them. You probably fail to see the double standard, don't you?

If you believe that, then you are a sack of sh*t.

As I said in a previous post, I have never advocated violence towards women, and you have LIED in insinuating that I do.

Also, you are defending a Kennedy on FR. Pretty sad.

This has nothing to do with whether or not the accused is a Kennedy or not. You've already convicted him and see no need for a trial, which curiously is the way 0bama views Americans, they can be picked up and detained without due process, perhaps you should send him your resume'? I'm sure the TSA could always use an extra jackbooted thug.

You need to straighten up and fly right and quit the false accusations against other FReepers.
105 posted on 02/26/2012 1:15:41 PM PST by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what e.coli is to an all-you-can-eat salad bar. NO ROMNEY!!!)
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To: smoothsailing

Tim Blight is a failure of a dick. His investigative reporting is limp at best. Not the kind of stand-up guy that would lead with the hard facts; namely, son of RFK.


106 posted on 02/26/2012 1:15:54 PM PST by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
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To: kaila; mkjessup; Texan5

Seriously?!

What are you smoking?

“The issue is not who is right or wrong.”

That’s BS, and you know it. It is exactly about right and wrong. Some jackbooted nurse attacks me while I’m holding my newborn son, that’s wrong, and I’ll kick the living shiite out of her. No apologies and no regrets.

“The issue is that he assaulted someone.”

Wrong. The issue is that he was assaulted and defended himself and his newborn son.

“If you get into an argument in a bar- even if you are right-and you throw the first blow - you are at fault.”

OK. For the sake of argument, I’ll agree with you on that. Be advised that the nurses threw the first punch by lunging at him. They are guilty and responsible for the altercation. Arrest them and send them to jail and give Mr. Kennedy a medal. (See how that works?)

“I think it is sick if people think asaulting women is a corect thing to do.”

If a person attacks, assaults or threatens me or my family with bodily harm, I will beat the living shiite out of him or her regardless as to what their sex or sexual orientation is, and won’t regret doing so or apologize for it. End of discussion.

“I wonder if you beat up the women in your lives for sport.”

Typical attitude a feminazi. It’s OK for a woman to attack a man, but a never OK for a man to defend himself, because if he does, then he’s a wife beater. If those ladies didn’t want to get a foot to the groin, then they should have kept their damn hands to themselves.

You’re a complete jackass for insinuating that I beat up women for sport. Again, typical liberal mentallity. Draw conclusions about a person without any legitimate or justifiable reason to do so in order to win an argument. Attacking me personally, casting aspersions about me, insulting me and accusing me of things I have never done will not shut me up, nor will it win the argument for you.

PISS OFF! You just lost any validity in this debate. Go back to your hole, you ugly, little, malignant troll.

EK


107 posted on 02/26/2012 1:18:29 PM PST by Ernie Kaputnik ((It's a mad, mad, mad world.))
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To: kaila; All
As a nurse, who has been assaulted by patients, I take umbrage to your remarks.

Now THERE is the money quote!

You are incapable of being objective as you are obviously biased and unable to view this except through the prism of your own experience.

They would bounce you off the jury as 'unreliable' (where have we heard that word in the past 10 minutes?

You just lost any credibility you thought you had.
108 posted on 02/26/2012 1:18:29 PM PST by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what e.coli is to an all-you-can-eat salad bar. NO ROMNEY!!!)
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To: Texan5

Very well said, Texan5.


109 posted on 02/26/2012 1:20:30 PM PST by Ernie Kaputnik ((It's a mad, mad, mad world.))
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To: mkjessup

What I see is someone who defends Kenndy’s actions when these parameters have occurred- this incident happened in liberal New York, there is video evidence, and the prosecuter investigated and brought charges .Why ? Because Kennedy is at fault.
It is going to be tough for Kennedy to get out of this one.
Yes, he will have a trial, but just looking at the video- he is guilty.
I hope he rots in jail.


110 posted on 02/26/2012 1:21:34 PM PST by kaila
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To: Ernie Kaputnik; kaila; All
You’re a complete jackass for insinuating that I beat up women for sport. Again, typical liberal mentallity. Draw conclusions about a person without any legitimate or justifiable reason to do so in order to win an argument. Attacking me personally, casting aspersions about me, insulting me and accusing me of things I have never done will not shut me up, nor will it win the argument for you.
PISS OFF! You just lost any validity in this debate. Go back to your hole, you ugly, little, malignant troll.
EK


** BRAVO ERNIE!!!! **

You know exactly how to 'call 'em as you see 'em'.

I'm proud to call you my FRiend.
111 posted on 02/26/2012 1:22:56 PM PST by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what e.coli is to an all-you-can-eat salad bar. NO ROMNEY!!!)
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I only see Kennedy being the aggressor and trying to do what he wants to do despite them telling him you can’t leave, after the first warning he ignors it and trys to head for stairwell. he is trying to get past the nurses and security, not once but twice. looks like he puts his hand on the nurse first and pushed his body past her to get the stairwell door open. He makes body contact with the nurse first. the second nurse doesn’t touch him, but he kicks her.

Kennedy says they were going after him but he doesn’t have a scratch on him or the baby. the evidence speaks for itself. I don’t see the wife as a witness on video.


112 posted on 02/26/2012 1:24:19 PM PST by snowstorm12
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To: smoothsailing
Speaking of FOX ... received this e-mail today.

If true this will show on FOX during the Academy Awards which will siphon off the potential viewing audience.

SUNDAY NIGHT 2/26/12

This Coming Sunday-- Set Your DVR for the Fox News channel at 9:00 PM eastern. Maybe this is why the White House has been discounting FOX. Sounds like this could be history in the making - someone may go down - either Obama or Fox News. It may be that Fox has been holding this information back due to the sensitivity of it and out of courtesy.

But, Obama has taken on Fox and it appears they are ready to spill the ugly beans of truth about the background of this individual who has had an extremely radical past. This Sunday, Fox News is going to air a very important documentary about Barack Obama, Sunday night 26th. at 9 P.M. Eastern.

The report will go back to Obama's earlier days, showing even then his close ties to radical Marxist professors, friends, spiritual advisers, etc. It will also reveal details about his ties to Rev. Wright for 20+ years, i.e., how he was participating with this man, and not for the reasons he stated. The report has uncovered more of Obama's radical past and we will see things that no one in the media is willing to put out there. It will be a segment to remember.

OUR country is being sold down the road to Totalitarian Socialism. If you care about the direction of our country, pass this notice on to everyone ON YOUR E LIST..

113 posted on 02/26/2012 1:25:12 PM PST by BluH2o
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To: mkjessup

I guess that you are biased to the conservative point of view, so maybe you should not discuss conservative issues.Only liberal should discuss conservatism? Is that your view? I am biased, so I have no opinion?
I work in hospitals, I know the policy and procedures, I know Kennedy broke the rules.
He is going to jail. I hope the whole clan could go to jail. They have tried to ruin this country. Their elitism is evident in this incident.


114 posted on 02/26/2012 1:26:26 PM PST by kaila
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To: BluH2o

That’s interesting, thanks for the headsup!


115 posted on 02/26/2012 1:30:47 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: bigfootbob
That is one ugly woman.

To give you some idea; she is probably one of the better-looking ones to come out of Vermont. You don't want to see the others...trust me.

116 posted on 02/26/2012 1:32:09 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: bigfootbob
That is one ugly woman.

Geez, and i thought she was two ugly women.

117 posted on 02/26/2012 1:32:09 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: kaila; smoothsailing; All
What I see is someone who defends Kenndy’s actions when these parameters have occurred

How stupid are you? This is NOT about Kennedy's actions, this is about the actions of a father who claims to have been defending himself and his newborn son from two thugs in nurses uniforms who attempted to physically grab his newborn out of his arms, endangering the safety of that child. You see the name 'Kennedy' and automatically get a rash, he MUST be guilty, he's a 'Kennedy'. Well guess what chicky-boo? Kennedy or not, he is presumed innocent until proven guilty (sorry Smoothsailing, had to mention that once again)

this incident happened in liberal New York, there is video evidence, and the prosecuter investigated and brought charges.Why? Because Kennedy is at fault.

Put down that rope, Kennedy won't be 'at fault' unless he is convicted in a courtroom by a jury of his peers. And I remind you once again that the prosecutor saw no evidence to justify the filing of felony assault charges, they are MISDEMEANORS. (that must really irk you doesn't it?)

It is going to be tough for Kennedy to get out of this one. Yes, he will have a trial, but just looking at the video- he is guilty.

So ignore any defense testimony, any eyewitness statements, any statements from the accused, in KailaWorld, he's

GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY!

I hope he rots in jail.

What if he is found not guilty? You going to come back on here and apologize for your rush to judgment and your shameful and unjustifiable accusations towards other FReepers of advocating violence towards women?

Get back to us Nurse Ratchett.
118 posted on 02/26/2012 1:32:28 PM PST by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what e.coli is to an all-you-can-eat salad bar. NO ROMNEY!!!)
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To: Ernie Kaputnik; mkjessup

Thank you both very much for your kind words-I’m glad none of the lynch mob wannabes referred to my post on my less-than-admirable relatives. Any references there would have brought Hispanics/American Indians and firewater up, adding bigotry to the stew. That said, I’m truly appalled by some of those comments and baseless accusations-I was almost smelling the tar and feathers.


119 posted on 02/26/2012 1:35:43 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: kaila
I guess that you are biased to the conservative point of view, so maybe you should not discuss conservative issues.Only liberal should discuss conservatism? Is that your view? I am biased, so I have no opinion?

You're biased as Hell against Douglas Kennedy and the man hasn't even had a trial yet on his misdemeanor offenses.

I work in hospitals, I know the policy and procedures, I know Kennedy broke the rules.

But you didn't work in the hospital where this event took place, and I say Kennedy is entitled to his day in court and to be presumed innocent of what he has been charged with. Your experience as a nurse has blinded you to any semblance of fair play, you've already convicted Kennedy which is a fine fascist way to view the situation, looks good on you.

He is going to jail. I hope the whole clan could go to jail. They have tried to ruin this country. Their elitism is evident in this incident.

What a nice broad brush you sling around. I despise what the Kennedys have done to America, but I'm not going to use the Constitution as toilet paper like you would to condemn Douglas Kennedy without the benefit of due process.

I erred in referring to you as 'Nurse Ratchett', I should have said 'Judge Dredd'.
120 posted on 02/26/2012 1:38:08 PM PST by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what e.coli is to an all-you-can-eat salad bar. NO ROMNEY!!!)
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To: mkjessup

Obviously, you have not watched the video.
The nurse who was kicked did not even touch Kennedy.
I see no aggressive action by the nurses against Kennedy- except they took control of the elevator panel and a nurse stood in front of the stairway.
You cannot take a newborn out of a nursery to the outside until discharge. It is dangerous to the baby- hospitals have germs, and dangerous to the other infants if the baby was exposed to a virus while on his dads expedition.
If they did not want to obey the rules of the hospital, they should have delivered at home.
If you advocate for his behavior-then your words speak for itself on your position regarding women in this society.
Kennedy could have handled this in an adult manner, as previous posters have said. To defend assault is sick.


121 posted on 02/26/2012 1:41:11 PM PST by kaila
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To: kaila

The nurses were right. No hospital allows this. If Kennedy wanted to go walking around outside with a newborn in his arms, the wife ahould have had a home birthing.

I am sure alcohol was involved in some way.


122 posted on 02/26/2012 1:44:19 PM PST by GracieOMalley
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To: kaila; mkjessup

If Kennedy really ran down the stairs with a newborn baby as the police report states, then there’s a real problem here. That’s an extremely dangerous thing to do. But if this whole thing is a setup, then there must be punishment for unjustly accusing Kennedy.

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According to a Mount Kisco, N.Y. police report obtained by NBC New York, Douglas Kennedy, 44, took his baby from the newborn unit of Northern Westchester Hospital on Jan. 7, against the instructions of hospital staff who told him the infant needed to stay there. The arrest was on misdemeanor charges.

Kennedy and his wife, Molly, disputed the accusations in a statement to NBC New York, saying “these allegations are absurd.”

The nurse in charge of the unit, Anna Margaret Lane, said in a deposition that Kennedy wanted to take the child “to get fresh air” that evening. As he tried to leave, he was accompanied by a doctor from the hospital’s emergency room, identified in court papers as “Dr. Haydock,” later determined to be Dr. Timothy Haydock, a longtime family friend.

While the nursing staff sought to get Kennedy to return the baby to his bassinet, Haydock reportedly encouraged Kennedy to walk with the baby by telling nurses that he was with him, according to Lane’s deposition.

Kennedy ignored the pleas of the nursing staff and carried the newborn — identified in court papers as “B.K.” — to the elevator, police said. As the nursing staff tried to calm him and dissuade him from leaving the hospital, Kennedy turned and walked toward a stairwell leading to the outside of the hospital.

Lane blocked the doorway, “placing both hands on the doorknob” to prevent Kennedy from leaving, police said. Kennedy grabbed the nurse by her left wrist and twisted it to that he could pass into the stairwell, police said.

The baby’s head “began to move from side to side, and in an attempt to stabilize the baby’s head, nurse Cari Maleman Luciano reached toward the infant’s head,” police said.

“Instinctively as a nurse, I raised both my arms toward the neck of the baby to steady the violent shaking of the baby’s head and neck,” Luciano told investigators in a deposition.

While holding the child in his right arm, Kennedy kicked Luciano in the pelvis with his right foot, knocking her backward onto the floor, police said.

As he did this, Kennedy fell onto the floor with the baby in his arms. Kennedy then got up and ran “down the stairs with the infant until he was stopped by security and escorted back to the infant’s room,” the police report said.

The police report did not say whether the infant was harmed in the altercation.

The statement to NBC New York from Kennedy and his wife said there was no crime committed.

“The nurse had no right to attempt to grab our child out of his father’s arms and I, Douglas, was shocked and appalled when she did so,” the statement said.

Haydock said in a statement to NBC New York that Kennedy, whom he has known for more than 40 years, was not putting his healthy baby at risk by seeking to take him for a walk outside.

“I witnessed the incident and I can state unequivocally that the nurses were the only aggressors,” he said. “To charge Mr. Kennedy with a crime is simply incomprehensible to me.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2851097/posts


123 posted on 02/26/2012 1:50:07 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: kaila
Obviously, you have not watched the video. The nurse who was kicked did not even touch Kennedy. I see no aggressive action by the nurses against Kennedy- except they took control of the elevator panel and a nurse stood in front of the stairway. You cannot take a newborn out of a nursery to the outside until discharge. It is dangerous to the baby- hospitals have germs, and dangerous to the other infants if the baby was exposed to a virus while on his dads expedition. If they did not want to obey the rules of the hospital, they should have delivered at home. If you advocate for his behavior-then your words speak for itself on your position regarding women in this society. Kennedy could have handled this in an adult manner, as previous posters have said. To defend assault is sick.

There you go again, insinuating that I am advocating violence towards women. You want to know what I am 'advocating'? I am advocating that Kennedy has civil rights which include the presumption of innocence before you get to put his head into the hangman's noose, you hateful little troll. Nobody is 'defending' assault. You however continue to accuse others of advocating violence towards women and that puts you at the bottom of the food chain, and I would seek out the services of a wino in the local hospital clinic before allowing you as an alleged 'nurse' to get within 10 feet of me. Your animus towards anyone who doesn't buy into your "hang 'em high" mentality regarding Douglass Kennedy is shameful, as you have clearly established yourself as judge, jury and executioner.

Kennedy's actions on or OFF video could not have been considered as serious as you're making out, or the district attorney would not have chosen to file mere misdemeanor charges, nor would Kennedy have been allowed to walk free since the event occurred more than a MONTH ago on January 7th. Prosecutors know which offenses require immediate action, and this was clearly not one of them.

Your own statements in this thread have demonstrated that you are incapable of any objectivity whatsoever. In America, anyone accused of a crime, be it accompanied by videotape or not, is entitled to the presumption of innocence until they are convicted in a court by a jury of their peers. That is basic Constitution 101.

You obviously need some remedial courses.
124 posted on 02/26/2012 1:51:40 PM PST by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what e.coli is to an all-you-can-eat salad bar. NO ROMNEY!!!)
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To: kaila; Ernie Kaputnik; mkjessup

I have been assaulted by clients on more than one occasion-usually when I busted them for attempting to defraud their workers comp insurance carrier, or the company I worked for. I yelled for help, defended myself physically, wrote my report to the proper people and let it go-no chip on my shoulder-it was part of my job. I got tired of it, so I don’t do that any more for a living.


125 posted on 02/26/2012 1:55:21 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: smoothsailing

The ER physician has no legal standing in a nursery.
The nursery nurses, the OBGyn, and the neonatologist are above the ER physician in the chain of command.
If the Nursery nurse, the neonatologist, and the OBGyn were in the ER, then the ER physician is at the top of the chain of command.
Therefore, what the ER physician has to say about policies and procedures in the nursery is irrelevant. You cannot get testimony from him as a physician witness, only witness testimony as a friend.


126 posted on 02/26/2012 1:56:23 PM PST by kaila
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To: mkjessup

Touched a nerve, didn’t I?
I wonder why?
Hmmm....


127 posted on 02/26/2012 1:57:43 PM PST by kaila
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To: smoothsailing; kaila; All
A very interesting post. It does establish that Kennedy was in fact accompanied by a physician, and the fact that he was a family friend is irrelevant. In the pecking order of hospitals, the directives and instructions of physicians are sacrosanct, and this backs up the appearance of the nurses going into thug mode and throwing their weight around. Defying the instructions of a hospital doctor in good standing (especially one with ER credentials) ought to get their asses bounced right on out of there.

In the www.necn.com report of this event, it was stated that "attorneys for both sides agreed that the infant was in fact, unharmed" and the alleged 'violent shaking of the infant's head' was not in fact proven to have occurred.

Of course down the street at Kaila Memorial, the doctor would be fired because he 'obviously' advocates violence towards women.
128 posted on 02/26/2012 1:59:12 PM PST by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what e.coli is to an all-you-can-eat salad bar. NO ROMNEY!!!)
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To: GracieOMalley
I am sure alcohol was involved in some way.

Yeah, probably at your conception.
129 posted on 02/26/2012 2:00:51 PM PST by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what e.coli is to an all-you-can-eat salad bar. NO ROMNEY!!!)
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To: kaila
Touched a nerve, didn’t I?

I wouldn't know, but you behave as if you touch yourself rather frequently.

I wonder why?

Only your hairdresser knows for sure.

Try again troll.
130 posted on 02/26/2012 2:03:13 PM PST by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what e.coli is to an all-you-can-eat salad bar. NO ROMNEY!!!)
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To: mkjessup

If the physician is not a neonatologist,or an OB, with priviledges as that hospital- then his opinion means squat.
The nursery nurse has more power than the ER physician in that situation.


131 posted on 02/26/2012 2:03:13 PM PST by kaila
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To: Ernie Kaputnik
Did you read the story, or just the excerpt?

I'm glad you asked Ernie, here is the entire article that we are commenting on:

Douglas Kennedy, Fox News correspondent and son of the late Robert F. Kennedy, has been charged with assault after a 7 January incident in a New York hospital.

2 nurses at the Mt Kisco hospital alleged that Kennedy became violent after they tried to prevent him from taking his newborn son Bo outside of the ward. Kennedy says he wanted to "get some fresh air" and had already received permission from other nurses on duty, Reuters reports.

The confrontation began after nurses issued a "code pink", an alert that someone is attempting to abduct a baby. The incident was partially caught on surveillance camera; although obscured by a doorway, nurse Cari Luciano can be seen falling to the ground.

L Luciano stated that Kennedy "raised his right foot and with tremendous force kicked [her] in the pelvis area". Another nurse, Anna Lane, accused the New York-based journalist of twisting her arm, although this appears off screen on the surveillance video.

Kennedy has been charged with harassment and endangering the welfare of a child.

Kennedy and his wife have labeled accusations "absurd" in an interview with NBC New York. His lawyer, Robert Gottlieb, called the altercation the result of "aggressive and grossly inappropriate behavior by two nurses".

"Whatever Douglas did came about only because the nurse was lunging to grab his child from his arms. What Douglas did was simply to protect his baby," he added.

A date for the hearing has not yet been announced.

Have your say: submit a comment below.

132 posted on 02/26/2012 2:04:23 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (The only solution to this primary is a shoot out! Last person standing picks the candidate)
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To: kaila

Thanks, kaila, I wasn’t aware of any of that. So Haydock had no authority in the situation and was merely acting as a family friend.


133 posted on 02/26/2012 2:05:26 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: kaila
If the physician is not a neonatologist,or an OB, with priviledges as that hospital- then his opinion means squat. The nursery nurse has more power than the ER physician in that situation.

Then in that case, I'm sure you will concede that an alleged nurse posting from whereabouts unknown who wasn't even present when the incident occured, has no business advocating conviction in lieu of due process, now do you?

The prosecutor, judge and jury will decide this MISDEMEANOR case.
134 posted on 02/26/2012 2:05:54 PM PST by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what e.coli is to an all-you-can-eat salad bar. NO ROMNEY!!!)
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To: smoothsailing
So Haydock had no authority in the situation and was merely acting as a family friend.

I will bet you dimes to donuts that IF this goes to trial, the court is going to place greater weight upon the word of that ER physician, than they're going to place on the allegations of two nurses who attempted to forcibly yank a child from the arms of it's father while falsely claiming a 'code pink' (child abduction) was in progress.
135 posted on 02/26/2012 2:09:29 PM PST by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what e.coli is to an all-you-can-eat salad bar. NO ROMNEY!!!)
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To: smoothsailing

Yes.
If he has priviledges at that hospital, and he encouraged Kennedy to take the baby, he could get into trouble with hospital administration.
He had no business trying to pull his weight in the nursery. He was out of his field of expertise, was not trained in policy or procedures of that unit.
The nurses could have told him to get lost, and he would have to comply.
Just because you have MD after your name, does not mean that you have ultimate power in other units not in your work enviroment.


136 posted on 02/26/2012 2:11:26 PM PST by kaila
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To: kaila

Sounds like you have a hate on for doctors. Oh wait, did I accuse you unjustly? Guess it must be having been accused of advocating violence against women by some troll claiming to be a nurse.


137 posted on 02/26/2012 2:14:46 PM PST by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what e.coli is to an all-you-can-eat salad bar. NO ROMNEY!!!)
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To: mkjessup; kaila
A very interesting post.It does establish that Kennedy was in fact accompanied by a physician.

It "establishes" that Haydock was with Kennedy and the baby initially. It makes no mention of Haydock's whereabouts while Kennedy was in the elevator, heading for the stairwell door, running down the stairs, being stopped by security, or being escorted back to the nursery. That was all "established" too. But it's a police report based on the nurse statements, so what has really been established?

138 posted on 02/26/2012 2:21:35 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Ernie Kaputnik
He advised the “nurses” in question of said permissions but they still lunged at him.

I'm kidnapping YOUR baby from the maternity ward and I'm confronted by several nurses who don't know me from Adam and I use the excuse "I was given permission from the hospital" to take "my" baby outside for some fresh air......

And YOU expect the hospital staff to accept that explanation carte blanche without any challenge whatsoever to me and a demand that I produce identification as to whether or not I am the true father of that baby?

Take your head out of your ass, the lack of oxygen is affecting your thought process.

139 posted on 02/26/2012 2:21:39 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (The only solution to this primary is a shoot out! Last person standing picks the candidate)
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To: mkjessup

This ER physician would get torn apart on cross examination.
All the prosecuting attorney will need to ask if he is board certified in neonatology, OB Gyn, or Pediatrics.
The answer would be “no”.
Then the prosecuting attorney will ask him when was the last time he practiced in a nursery. The answer will most likely be “20 years ago when I was in medical school.”
Then the prosecuting attorney will get a nursery nurse with a huge amount of credentials- with a whole bunch of alphabet digits after her name, a board certified neonatologist,a pediatrician, an ObGyn and ask them ( on the witness stand) what are the risks of removing an infant from the nursery?. They will make this ER doc look bad.
Then the final nail on this ER docs credibility would be to show him the policies and procedures of the nursery unit, and ask him if he was aware of them, and did he sign off on those procedures.You see, when you are an employee, you sign you name to the procedures specific to the unit you work on during orientation.
The answer would be “no”. He would be discredited in the eyes of the jury.Anything he said after that would look suspect.That is why I take no credence to his version of the story.


140 posted on 02/26/2012 2:23:50 PM PST by kaila
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To: kaila

Sounds like he let his longtime friendship get in the way of his common sense. Lord knows I’ve made that mistake before.


141 posted on 02/26/2012 2:26:11 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: mkjessup

I am a nurse, and I am married to a doctor.
He would not throw his weight around on a unit not in the hospital he practices, or in an area not in his field of expertise.
You are the one who knows very little about how the medical field is run.


142 posted on 02/26/2012 2:28:44 PM PST by kaila
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To: mkjessup
they were that concerned about an 'abduction', one or both of them could have accompanied the parent and kept the infant in sight

They tried, that's the subject of this article. It's Mr. Kennedy's attorney's allegation that a nurse tried to grab the baby from Mr. Kennedy's arms as he tried to enter the elevator unauthorized.

The video disputes that claim and shows the result of Mr. Kennedy's kicking of a nurse that tried to prevent him from leaving with a baby he claimed was his........

143 posted on 02/26/2012 2:32:01 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (The only solution to this primary is a shoot out! Last person standing picks the candidate)
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To: wintertime

I doubt that “lunging” is part of the protocol, either.


144 posted on 02/26/2012 2:33:06 PM PST by Sloth (If a tax break counts as "spending" then every time I don't rob a bank should be a "deposit.")
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To: kaila
You can't be a nurse, you must be an attorney to know so much.

You forgot that part where the defense attorney directs that ER Physician to explain for the jury how the two nurses in question were the aggressors in this incident.

You continue to assume that the State of New York is going to expend vast sums of money on a misdemeanor case, so answer this question F. Leigh Bailey ('Leigh' used in deference to your gender), why do you think felony charges were not filed against Douglas Kennedy? They certainly had enough time to review the evidence since they didn't file the charges until this past week, what's your expert legal opinion on that?
145 posted on 02/26/2012 2:37:02 PM PST by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what e.coli is to an all-you-can-eat salad bar. NO ROMNEY!!!)
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To: stinkerpot65

Yeah thats the ticket she was on a power trip and not really enforcing hospital rules so she deserves to a good kick to the groin. full sarcasm alert.


146 posted on 02/26/2012 2:37:06 PM PST by linn37 (Newt supporter here.)
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To: kaila
I am a nurse, and I am married to a doctor.

Nah, I don't think so, I think you picked up all this jargon and pseudo knowledge from sitting around watching General Hospital and eating bon-bons.

He would not throw his weight around on a unit not in the hospital he practices, or in an area not in his field of expertise.

I don't think your hubby is a doctor either. I think he pumps gas down at the local Exxon-Mobil station.

You are the one who knows very little about how the medical field is run.

I know how the Constitution runs, and how you would prefer to wipe your ass with it rather than to see the rights of the accused given the benefit of due process.
147 posted on 02/26/2012 2:41:58 PM PST by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what e.coli is to an all-you-can-eat salad bar. NO ROMNEY!!!)
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To: mkjessup

what’s your expert legal opinion on that?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This is a politically well connected family.


148 posted on 02/26/2012 2:41:58 PM PST by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: mkjessup

You seem to be either uninformed or misinformed about the workings of hospitals.

ER docs aren’t exactly the highest status docs in the hospital. Granted, they have a very tough job and yes they are God in the ER. This particular physician had no authority outside of his department. None. Zero.

Kennedy is a jerk. He was the one who endangered his child so he could go outside - probably for a cigarette. The three day old baby needed fresh air? Where is he going to find fresh air in NY? LOL


149 posted on 02/26/2012 2:43:14 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: wintertime; kaila
what’s your expert legal opinion on that?

This is a politically well connected family.


Sorry, I'm waiting for the expert opinion of F. Leigh Bailey.
150 posted on 02/26/2012 2:44:13 PM PST by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what e.coli is to an all-you-can-eat salad bar. NO ROMNEY!!!)
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