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Douglas Kennedy, son of the late Robert F. Kennedy, charged with hospital assault
Media Spy ^ | 2-26-2012 | Tim Blight

Posted on 02/26/2012 8:50:05 AM PST by smoothsailing

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To: mkjessup
what's your expert legal opinion on that?
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This is a politically well connected family.

It's a down on the Animal Farm thing. Families like Kennedy and Obama live in the farmer’ house. We commoners get the barn. OINK!

151 posted on 02/26/2012 2:44:57 PM PST by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: ladyjane
You seem to be either uninformed or misinformed about the workings of hospitals.

Oh goody, I've been waiting all day for you to arrive and educate me on this topic.

ER docs aren’t exactly the highest status docs in the hospital.

Be sure and tell the ER Doc that if you should find yourself being wheeled in some night in need of his services, LOL

Granted, they have a very tough job and yes they are God in the ER.

How very gracious of you.

This particular physician had no authority outside of his department. None. Zero.

We'll see how his testimony is received IF this all goes to trial.

Kennedy is a jerk. He was the one who endangered his child so he could go outside - probably for a cigarette. The three day old baby needed fresh air? Where is he going to find fresh air in NY? LOL

Ropes, torches and pick axes! The line forms to the
LEFT

(the lynch mob already has many volunteers, would you be willing to form a second backup mob? just let one of the *HEH agitators know, ok?) [*HEH - 'Hang Em High']
152 posted on 02/26/2012 2:50:09 PM PST by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what e.coli is to an all-you-can-eat salad bar. NO ROMNEY!!!)
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To: mkjessup

Believe what you want, I am a nurse, and have said that in other threads.
As a nurse, we have to be somewhat informed in medical -legal issues because of the increasing amounts of lawsuits directed to the health care industry.
Also, the hospitals train us in preventing lawsuits by proper documentation, and following policies and procedures put in place by hospital administration and the attorneys on staff at the hospital.
My husband is a physician, Harvard educated- a far cry from pumping gas.
The last time I saw General Hospital was when I was a college student. They spent all their time looking great at the nurses station, chatting up the latest hunk on the show.
The reality of nursing is understaffing, no time for bathroom breaks, stress, varicose veins and bad backs .


153 posted on 02/26/2012 2:50:17 PM PST by kaila
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To: mkjessup; kaila

Calling a person a liar doesn’t strengthen your argument.


154 posted on 02/26/2012 2:54:39 PM PST by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: ladyjane

All of this could likely have been resolved, quietly, rationally, **safely**, and without kicking a nurse in the groin by Kennedy simply requesting to speak to the supervising nurse, and or called the department of public relations.

But...I he likely would have had to postpone his immediate gratification for some minutes.


155 posted on 02/26/2012 2:58:30 PM PST by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: wintertime; kaila; Ernie Kaputnik
Calling a person a liar doesn’t strengthen your argument.

What's wrong with calling a liar, a liar? Kaila has been lying about me, about Ernie Kaputnik by insinuating and suggesting that because we won't jump on the 'Lynch Douglas Kennedy' bandwagon, that we MUST be advocates of violence against women, that we beat the women in our families, ad nauseum. She is a liar. She has lied about Ernie and myself, based on NOTHING and liars like that deserve no respect at all.

Alleged Nurse "kaila" lost all of her credibility when she started personally attacking other FReepers by accusing them of being violent towards women. Quite frankly, I think she should be zotted for that.
156 posted on 02/26/2012 3:02:24 PM PST by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what e.coli is to an all-you-can-eat salad bar. NO ROMNEY!!!)
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To: mkjessup

Now you are asking nurses to look the other way when parents walk off the floor with their children? How were they to know it was the great and mighty Kennedy who does not have to follow hospital procedure? Of course they were aggressive in asking him to return. They could be fired if they had not confronted him or anyone else pulling the same stunt. I guess it didn’t occur to you or the lame brained father that he could have returned to the floor to discuss it rather then abuse hospital employees or endanger his child in a stairwell?


157 posted on 02/26/2012 3:03:52 PM PST by linn37 (Newt supporter here.)
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To: kaila
Believe what you want, I am a nurse, and have said that in other threads. As a nurse, we have to be somewhat informed in medical -legal issues because of the increasing amounts of lawsuits directed to the health care industry. Also, the hospitals train us in preventing lawsuits by proper documentation, and following policies and procedures put in place by hospital administration and the attorneys on staff at the hospital. My husband is a physician, Harvard educated- a far cry from pumping gas. The last time I saw General Hospital was when I was a college student. They spent all their time looking great at the nurses station, chatting up the latest hunk on the show. The reality of nursing is understaffing, no time for bathroom breaks, stress, varicose veins and bad backs.

I think you hate men too. Say, tell me: how do you like being falsely accused?
158 posted on 02/26/2012 3:04:50 PM PST by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what e.coli is to an all-you-can-eat salad bar. NO ROMNEY!!!)
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To: mkjessup

If I am going to be zotted, then you should be higher up on the zotting chain.
Defending a Kennedy makes you look like a troll, especially defending violence against women.
Who is the real troll here that needs to be zotted?
I, however, have not pressed the abuse button because I do not believe in being a tattle tale.


159 posted on 02/26/2012 3:07:03 PM PST by kaila
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To: linn37
Now you are asking nurses to look the other way when parents walk off the floor with their children? How were they to know it was the great and mighty Kennedy who does not have to follow hospital procedure? Of course they were aggressive in asking him to return. They could be fired if they had not confronted him or anyone else pulling the same stunt. I guess it didn’t occur to you or the lame brained father that he could have returned to the floor to discuss it rather then abuse hospital employees or endanger his child in a stairwell?

The fact is, Kennedy stated that he had been given permission to take his son for a walk and the two aggressor nurses chose to physically confront him, they attempt to forcibly take his son out of his arms, while falsely claiming a 'code pink' child abduction was in progress. The ER physician who was with Kennedy stated that the nurses initiated the confrontation and that Kennedy was defending himself from their actions and trying to protect his son.

The event occurred on January 7th. It took until this past Thursday before the District Attorney filed MISDEMEANOR charges against Kennedy, the lowest class of offense possible. We can be sure the D.A.'s office has reviewed the entire surveillance tape and if misdemeanor charges are all that was warranted, I'll go out on a limb and say that it will probably never even go to trial, but that won't stop the thug nurses from pursuing Kennedy in a civil lawsuit looking for that big pay day.
160 posted on 02/26/2012 3:09:39 PM PST by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what e.coli is to an all-you-can-eat salad bar. NO ROMNEY!!!)
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To: mkjessup; kaila
You continue to assume that the State of New York is going to expend vast sums of money on a misdemeanor case...

The charges are serious, don't let the word misdemeanor fool you. If the facts merit it, New York will pursue it.

Kennedy will be arraigned on two charges.

Harrassment-a Class B misdemeanor.

Child endangerment-A Class A misdemeanor.

Class A Misdemeanors are the most serious of misdemeanors and hold a punishment of up to twelve months in a county jail facility. Crimes that are charged with a Class A Misdemeanor include third degree assault, second degree menacing, third degree stalking, sexual misconduct, sexual abuse, second degree unlawful imprisonment, fourth degree criminal mischief, graffiti, third degree bail jumping, third degree forgery, petit larceny, second degree criminal contempt, fourth degree criminal possession of a weapon, seventh degree of criminal possession of a controlled substance, and others.

Class B Misdemeanors are the middle ground of misdemeanors and have a maximum punishment of up to six months in a county jail facility. Those charged with Class B Misdemeanors include stalking, criminal mischief, unlawful imprisonment, bail jumping, criminal possession of a controlled substance, forgery, sexual misconduct, menacing, assault, larceny, graffiti, and others. Class B Misdemeanors are very similar to Class A Misdemeanors as they often have the same crimes but in lesser degrees of severity.

http://misdemeanorguide.com/New-York-misdemeanor.php

http://www.new-york-arraignments.com/Amis.htm

161 posted on 02/26/2012 3:13:19 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: mkjessup
Again all the idiot had to do was return to the floor and have it cleared up instead of escalating it. .
162 posted on 02/26/2012 3:17:07 PM PST by linn37 (Newt supporter here.)
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To: kaila; Ernie Kaputnik; Brass Lamp; Admin Moderator; All
If I am going to be zotted, then you should be higher up on the zotting chain.

Really now? Let's pursue this chain of illogic.

Defending a Kennedy makes you look like a troll, especially defending violence against women.

There you go AGAIN, lying about me. I am NOT defending violence against women and you know damn well I am not. You know what I'm defending? I'm defending the right of ANY American to be presumed innocent of any offense until they are convicted in a court by a jury of their peers, and in this instance it just so happens that it is Douglas Kennedy who is that American. You don't think he's entitled to the Constitutional rights that you and I are entitled to? Who else do you think should be stripped of their civil rights and summarily convicted and executed? You're talking just like 0bama who now has the executive authority to order Americans arrested and detained for an indefinite period of time in violation of the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights either applies to EVERYONE, or it applies to NO ONE, what part of that are you incapable of understanding?

Who is the real troll here that needs to be zotted?

I submit that anyone falsely accusing other FReepers of 'defending violence against women' and lying about them should be zotted. You have committed that offense not once, but three times, in false accusations made against Ernie Kaputnik, Brass Lamp and myself. Are you going to now lie and claim you did no such thing? Your own posts and words affirm that you have indeed falsely accused others.

I, however, have not pressed the abuse button because I do not believe in being a tattle tale.

'Tattle tale', give me a break. I'll go you one better than that, let's just ping the mods and let them sort it all out.

Mr. Mod? I direct you to Kaila's posts #63, #87, #94, #103, #121 and the false accusations made against other FReepers suggesting they advocated or defended violence against women.
163 posted on 02/26/2012 3:29:14 PM PST by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what e.coli is to an all-you-can-eat salad bar. NO ROMNEY!!!)
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To: Hot Tabasco

You jackass. Kennedy could NOT get access to his child without the hospital’s permission. The hospital staff knew who he was. They had seen him several times before this incident. They knew he was the child’s father, yet, a couple of jack-booted “nurses” decided to try and throw their weight around and play ghestopo, but Kennedy bitch slapped them for trying. And now those beatches are looking for a pay-day.

Piss off, you friggin’ feminazi POS. Why don’t you find a nice cop friendly thread, where jackasses like you defend cops who taze a homeless man to death.

You suck balls.

That’s my story and I’m sticking to it. Now shove it where the sun don’t shine, Beeaatch!


164 posted on 02/26/2012 3:30:09 PM PST by Ernie Kaputnik ((It's a mad, mad, mad world.))
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To: mkjessup

Go ahead ,report me.
You are in much greater troll territory than I am.


165 posted on 02/26/2012 3:31:33 PM PST by kaila
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To: Ernie Kaputnik

The alarm rings. All the nurses jump into action. They may not be this babies nurse. They have to treat everyone with a degree of suspicion when the alarm rings.
That is how the system works.


166 posted on 02/26/2012 3:33:29 PM PST by kaila
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To: mkjessup

Gracias, FRiend.

But I ain’t out of the woods yet. Got some punk named “Hot Tobasco” busting my chops because I’m sticking to my guns.

No worries though. “Hot Tobasco” is punk a$$ beatch that picked a fight with the wrong hornets’ nest. I’ll dispatch him/her in short order.

Gawd Almighty, where do these people come from?!

Be well and continue fighting the “Good Fight”, FRiend.

EK


167 posted on 02/26/2012 3:36:49 PM PST by Ernie Kaputnik ((It's a mad, mad, mad world.))
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To: Ernie Kaputnik

You are completely out of line.


168 posted on 02/26/2012 3:38:12 PM PST by kaila
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To: Ernie Kaputnik

As I said up thread, we’ll let the mods sort it all out.

Making shameless and blatantly false accusations against other FReepers should not be tolerated, and I’m going to just stand by and see what happens.


169 posted on 02/26/2012 3:39:49 PM PST by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what e.coli is to an all-you-can-eat salad bar. NO ROMNEY!!!)
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To: mkjessup

Go ahea, let them sort it out.
I am not the person defending a Kennedy.


170 posted on 02/26/2012 3:41:20 PM PST by kaila
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To: Hot Tabasco; mkjessup; Texan5

@ Hot Tobasco:

Just in case you didn’t read my post:

You’re a complete jackass. I’m not going to waste any more time defending myself or other FReepers against fascist feminazis like you. It’s a waste of time and energy. I gots bigger fish to fry, BEEAATTCCHH!

So, having said that, do FR a favor and crawl back into your hole, or under the bridge or basement you call home, you tiny, worthless, POS troll.


171 posted on 02/26/2012 3:43:25 PM PST by Ernie Kaputnik ((It's a mad, mad, mad world.))
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To: kaila; All
Go ahea, let them sort it out. I am not the person defending a Kennedy.

It's not ABOUT "defending a Kennedy" you fool. It's about defending the right of a citizen in these United States to be entitled to the presumption of innocence unless and UNTIL they are convicted in a court of law.

YOU have already made the determination that the defendant is guilty as charged, no trial necessary, just take him out and hang him. AND you have falsely accused other FReepers of advocating violence against women because they dare to say that Kennedy is entitled to the benefit of the doubt until he is actually convicted. You are disgusting.

You have appointed yourself (along with a few other posters) judge, jury and executioner and you should be ashamed of yourself. That's LIBERAL thinking.
172 posted on 02/26/2012 3:46:42 PM PST by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what e.coli is to an all-you-can-eat salad bar. NO ROMNEY!!!)
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To: All
I’m going to reserve my judgment on this incident until all the facts are known.

But a few points I’d like to make:

Contrary to him being a member of the Kennedy family, there is no evidence to support he was drunk or high on drugs (I don’t think the nurses involved in the incident even claimed this) nor was he acting irrationally or recklessly except for wanting to take his newborn son for a walk.

Hospital maternity wards are hard to get into, and for good reason. When my niece and her husband had their babies, no one could get into the ward unless they were on the list of people pre-authorized by the parents. I not only had to show ID, I had to leave my driver’s license with the front desk, wear an ID badge and be buzzed into the unit by a nurse or met at the door by one of the parents.

There was no indication that the baby was in harm’s way by being taken for a walk by his father or against the mother’s wishes, even outside for a brief time. There is no indication that the baby had any medical condition that would prevent such a thing – this was not a NICU BTW. And it’s been unusually warm here in the NE, it’s not like it was raining, snowing or that the temps were frigid.

Contrary to wild and unfounded speculations of spousal abuse, his wife, the baby’s mother was not objecting and there was, while not an attending, a physician present.

Sometimes nurses and other hospital staff can act like total a$$wipes and suffer from the delusion that their position gives them the right to interpret the “rules” as they see fit without any application of common sense.

Just a few examples that I’ve experienced of the stupid actions of hospital staff (and I have more):

My dad was in and out of the hospital many times between ’93 and ’97. During one hospitalization, the doctor saw him the night before his discharge, verbally told him he could go home the next morning and noted it his chart (which I read) but failed to sign just one of the several required discharge forms. I got to the hospital at 9:00AM to pick up my dad who was dressed and ready to go but the duty nurse said the doctor needed to discharge him and she couldn’t allow us to leave. We waited and waited and patiently waited. Noon came and went and my dad, being a diabetic, needed to eat but no lunch was brought for him, because he had been “discharged” although they did bring him his insulin. I asked the floor nurse if a lunch could be brought for him and in a snit and a huff she told me I could just go to the cafeteria to buy him something if I really wanted otherwise she “might” be able to find him a sandwich later but she was just too busy at the time.

The doctor had been called several times but was unavailable to personally come and sign the one piece of paper he missed signing but gave a verbal OK to let me take my dad home but that wasn’t good enough. By 4:00 PM we were still waiting and my dad had had enough and started walking out. The nurse screamed at us that we were not allowed to leave, “You’re committing a crime if you take him home.” My dad said “Yea, and you and who’s army going to stop me?” The nurse then said, “Then you have to sign a form saying you are leaving against medical advice.” I calmly and politely told the nurse that his discharged was noted in his chart and he was not leaving against medical advice and she then told me that I wasn’t “supposed” to be reading his chart and that I wasn’t “qualified” to read it assuming that I could even read. At this point, we just left. She threatened to call the police and I said, “Go ahead, I dare you”. If she had tried to physically stop us from leaving, laid a hand on either me or my dad, at that point I might have very well cold cocked her. We got a phone call from the doctor and the hospital administrator apologizing after I filed a written complaint about our treatment.

When my niece and her husband were having their first baby, they asked if I wanted to be in the delivery room. I wasn’t able to have any children and I was very honored. But after many hours of labor, she wasn’t progressing, the baby was coming down the birth canal face first and the fetal heart monitor showed signs of distress so the OBY was called and it was decided that an emergency C-Section was necessary.

My niece was very upset and even more upset when after bringing her husband scrubs and a mask and instructions to scrub up, was told by the nurse that I couldn’t come with them. She said it was against the “rules” to have anyone but the father in the OR. When the doc came to talk to my niece before being wheeled into the OR, he looked at me and asked why I didn’t have my scrubs on too and we told him what the nurse told us. He rolled his eyes and said “that’s ridiculous, it’s not against any rules I know of, we do this all the time and I’ll take care of this.” When the nurse came back to the room, she literally and quite angrily threw a pair of scubs at me and told “Well the doctor overruled me so you need to just hurry on up.” The doc and OBY OR nurses on the other hand were great BTW. The doc told me the dad’s job was to keep mom calm and my job was to keep dad calm and to man the camera and take lots of pictures of the baby after she was delivered. After the doc, nurses and mom and dad, I was the very next person to hold my great niece and have a very nice picture of me in scrubs holding her along with a picture of me and my great niece and the doc.

On one hand, he (Kennedy) should have asked to talk with a supervisor first and not have forced the issue and IMO gotten into a physical confrontation and he may have been acting like a jerk. But on the other, other hand, I don’t like it when statists: governmental or otherwise act like a child or a parent, family member, belongs to them and their institution and that the rights of the family and that of the individual and plain common sense are lesser than their sometimes arbitrary, open to interpretation and legally unenforceable “rules”.

In my opinion based on what I’ve read so far, he committed no crime by wanting to take his child with him for a walk. He might have been breaking the “rules” but it wasn’t criminal or negligent or dangerous but yet he was being treated as if it was. I can understand how something like this can escalate out of control and unless other facts rather than pure conjecture and speculation are presented, I, despite his family name, tend to side with him.

173 posted on 02/26/2012 3:47:12 PM PST by MD Expat in PA
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To: kaila

I’m on your side. If people don’t like the rules of a hospital find another one or stay home. Some of the men around here don’t like women who stand up for themselves. They are pathetic.


174 posted on 02/26/2012 3:47:12 PM PST by beandog (Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand)
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To: Ernie Kaputnik

Good, conservative men do not kick women in the pelvis, no matter what the provocation ( or lack of) there is.
If you went to Church, and believe in God, you do not condone violence against women.
Defending the kicking of this nurse- no matter if there was a provocation or not- makes you look bad in the eyes of the female Freeper population.


175 posted on 02/26/2012 3:47:14 PM PST by kaila
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To: Ernie Kaputnik; Hot Tabasco

I’m late to the discussion, but I read HT’s post and it seemed reasonable even if he came on a bit strong. But I will say that I know HT and he is one of the most mild-mannered and decent members of this board. And I think I agree with him that anyone carrying a baby out of a hospital needs more than just “verbal” permission from “someone.”

There is indeed probably more, though. I suggest everyone stand down until we know for sure.


176 posted on 02/26/2012 3:49:34 PM PST by Larry Lucido (My doctor told me to curtail my Walpoling activities.)
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To: MD Expat in PA
The doctor had been called several times but was unavailable to personally come and sign the one piece of paper he missed signing but gave a verbal OK to let me take my dad home but that wasn’t good enough. By 4:00 PM we were still waiting and my dad had had enough and started walking out. The nurse screamed at us that we were not allowed to leave, “You’re committing a crime if you take him home.” My dad said “Yea, and you and who’s army going to stop me?” The nurse then said, “Then you have to sign a form saying you are leaving against medical advice.” I calmly and politely told the nurse that his discharged was noted in his chart and he was not leaving against medical advice and she then told me that I wasn’t “supposed” to be reading his chart and that I wasn’t “qualified” to read it assuming that I could even read. At this point, we just left. She threatened to call the police and I said, “Go ahead, I dare you”. If she had tried to physically stop us from leaving, laid a hand on either me or my dad, at that point I might have very well cold cocked her. We got a phone call from the doctor and the hospital administrator apologizing after I filed a written complaint about our treatment.

Wow, sounds like you had an encounter with an alleged nurse on THIS forum! LOL
177 posted on 02/26/2012 3:52:03 PM PST by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what e.coli is to an all-you-can-eat salad bar. NO ROMNEY!!!)
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To: MD Expat in PA

Sometimes nurses and other hospital staff can act like total a$$wipes and suffer from the delusion that their position gives them the right to interpret the “rules” as they see fit without any application of common sense.
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It happens sometime. The proper response is, “Please call the nursing supervisor.” Simply walking out and then kicking the nurse is not a rational.


178 posted on 02/26/2012 3:55:16 PM PST by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: kaila; Ernie Kaputnik
"You are completely out of line"

Pot, meet kettle.
179 posted on 02/26/2012 3:56:14 PM PST by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what e.coli is to an all-you-can-eat salad bar. NO ROMNEY!!!)
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To: kaila; mkjessup

No! YOU are completely out of line.

You insulted, attacked and made baseless accusations about me and other FReepers.

You are a coward and a fascist POS that hides behind annonimity.

The only opinion that matters to you is yours. In your mind, everyone and anyone who disagrees with you is not worthy of having an opinion. You remind me of the old saying: “When I want your opinion, I’ll give it to you.”

I may be crass, rude and insulting at times during a heated debate, but I’m not a fascist POS like you. I respect well thought out, considerate and even rude opinions of fellow FReepers, but I do not approve of arrogant, egotistical, violent and baseless accusations meant to demean and silence debate from fellow FReepers.

Why don’t you go back to DU or Huffington Post? They love people like you. You have no place here on FR (IMHO).

You are an arrogant, fascist, marxist, feminazi troll.

If you are confused, go back and read your posts. The attacks you have made against myself and other FReepers are deplorable and reprehensible.

You have outed yourself as a horrid individual.

You need help! Counselling or medication is my suggestion, but I’m not a professional shrink or pharmacist, so don’t take my word for it. Just STFU and go away.


180 posted on 02/26/2012 3:57:28 PM PST by Ernie Kaputnik ((It's a mad, mad, mad world.))
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To: Ernie Kaputnik; mkjessup

Ernie’s tagline seems more and more appropriate the longer this thread goes-

I came back to this thread from eating dinner to see if reason had prevailed, only to find that some here are no longer satisfied to merely join a mob to convict and lynch people because their name of “Kennedy” proves guilt beyond a reasonable doubt never mind due process-but now they have decreed that “defending a Kennedy” makes one a troll who advocates violence against women. Being intolerant like that makes FReepers look worse than liberals.


181 posted on 02/26/2012 3:58:28 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: mkjessup

Nope, I would have sent them home.
I take verbal discharge orders all the time.


182 posted on 02/26/2012 3:58:55 PM PST by kaila
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To: Ernie Kaputnik

I think you are projecting. Either that are you are a very immature adult. You can scream you’re little heart out but the only one that looks like an ass is you.

You telling anyone to seek counselling is laughable. I can just see you stomping your little feet, holding your breath and turning red. Makes me smile.


183 posted on 02/26/2012 4:03:37 PM PST by beandog (Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand)
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To: Ernie Kaputnik

What you are defending is that is is completely acceptable to kick a woman in the pelvis.
You cannot seperate the fact of the alleged provocation ( preventing a father from taking a baby off the floor) to the final act of kicking a nurse in the pelvis.
The courts are going to look at the kick, not the provocation.The assault is the issue here.
Even if the man is physically attacked by a woman ( which did not happen in this case), he should walk away.
A real man does not assault a woman.
If you want to compare me to DU- that is a laugh riot.Most of the liberals who voted for Obama ( Chris Brown and all the gangsta rappers)- love to beat up women and call them bitches like you have done.
That is ghetto mentality.
You should be on DU.
No man should ever hit a woman. Never.
The Kennedy gene sure makes them kill, rape and beat up women. To top it off, a Freeper is defending him.


184 posted on 02/26/2012 4:08:06 PM PST by kaila
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To: MD Expat in PA

while not an attending, a physician present.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

If you are an MD, then you should know the following:

** He may not have been a physician.

** He may not have been known at all to the nursing staff in the maternity unit.

** Even if he was an attending physician and known by the staff, he has absolutely no authority in the maternity unit.

Again:

If there had been a misunderstand about permission to leave the unit, Kennedy merely needed to say, “Please call your nursing supervisor.” Another rational and legal approach would have been to call the public relations department of the hospital.

But...If he had done this, he likely would not have had **immediate** gratification of his needs.


185 posted on 02/26/2012 4:13:38 PM PST by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: Texan5
Ernie’s tagline seems more and more appropriate the longer this thread goes

You said it FRiend.

I came back to this thread from eating dinner to see if reason had prevailed, only to find that some here are no longer satisfied to merely join a mob to convict and lynch people because their name of “Kennedy” proves guilt beyond a reasonable doubt never mind due process-but now they have decreed that “defending a Kennedy” makes one a troll who advocates violence against women. Being intolerant like that makes FReepers look worse than liberals.

As I have tried to state many times, this isn't about "defending a Kennedy", the name of the defendant is irrelevant and immaterial, at least that is what we teach our kids (or should be teaching them) and that is why Lady Justice has a blindfold on, because we are ALL supposed to be entitled to 'equal justice before the law'. It is the most simple minded and foolish thing to automatically assume that based on somebody's name, they are guilty. Are the Kennedys a pox on America? I'm inclined to agree, they have caused us plenty of grief as a Nation, and I think the worst of the lot was indeed Fat Teddy, but I'm not going to assign the sins of that dead fat frat boy on someone who had nothing to do with the original offenses.

Douglas Kennedy has been charged with misdemeanor offenses, he (like any American) is entitled to his day in court. If he is found guilty, I'll be the first to say that he should pay whatever penalty the court deems appropriate. But I'm not going to dispense with any pretense of due process and say "he's guilty" and if anyone dares to suggest that a trial might be in order, accuse them of "defending violence against women" like a certain nauseating little troll has been doing. If the court concludes that Douglass Kennedy is guilty, he will be punished according to the law.

Until then, whether we like it or not, he is innocent until proven guilty, which is exactly the way ANY of us would want to be viewed if we were facing criminal charges of any kind.
186 posted on 02/26/2012 4:20:15 PM PST by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what e.coli is to an all-you-can-eat salad bar. NO ROMNEY!!!)
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To: wintertime
It happens sometime. The proper response is, “Please call the nursing supervisor.” Simply walking out and then kicking the nurse is not a rational.

That’s why I said:

“On one hand, he (Kennedy) should have asked to talk with a supervisor first and not have forced the issue and IMO gotten into a physical confrontation and he may have been acting like a jerk.”

But when the nurse told my dad and I that we couldn’t leave the hospital and threatened to call the police - a gross overreaction and unnecessary escalation on her part, I asked her to call a supervisor and she basically told me she was “in charge” of the floor and she didn’t need to call any supervisor.

That’s when we simply left, her personal power trip not impressing me or my dad one bit. And if she had called the police and we had been detained or arrested or if she had tried to restrain us, believe me, there would have been a lawsuit.

But I don’t know all the facts in this case and that’s why I said I’m reserving judgment and not jumping to conclusions one way or another.

187 posted on 02/26/2012 4:28:00 PM PST by MD Expat in PA
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To: beandog

Another jackass heard from.

YOU are laughable.


188 posted on 02/26/2012 4:29:14 PM PST by Ernie Kaputnik ((It's a mad, mad, mad world.))
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To: MD Expat in PA
If you are an MD, trained in the U.S., you would know that newborns leave the hospital in the arms of their **mothers** who are seated in a wheelchair and accompanied by a maternity unit staff member. Name bands are carefully checked by the nursing staff and security as the leave the maternity unit. Possibly there are exceptions to this but I would bet my entire 401 K that they are very few.

Also....Unless it would be an emergency delivery of some kind, parents are well informed of the visiting and discharge policies of the maternity unit. If they don't agree to this there are other options for mothers with uncomplicated pregnancies and deliveries.

By the way, the name “Kennedy” is not uncommon. I wouldn't know Douglas Kennedy if he dropped dead at my feet. Why are we assuming that these nurses knew who he was and why should it matter that he is from a notorious family?

Honestly, nurses have enough to do medically and surgically with their patients without thinking about every legal aspect of whether or not a baby can leave the hospital without his mother, or judge each case individually. They can't possibly know every aspect of their patient’s lives (posing fraudulently as a member of the family, custody issues, pending divorces, spousal abuse, etc.). That is why hospitals have these very sensible safety protocols for nurses to follow.

Sensible and emotionally mature people understand these issues and don't hassle the nurses about trivialities such as taking a baby for a stroll outside.

As trivial as this little walk outside was it could have managed successfully with a polite, “May I speak to the nursing supervisor”, or “May I have the number of the public relations department.”

Kicking a nurse in the pelvis while carrying a newborn? Unbelievable! This is not rational behavior. For what? A walk outside?

189 posted on 02/26/2012 4:35:39 PM PST by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: MD Expat in PA

You were right to leave, the nurse in your case was totally out of line.
In regards to pediatric patients, the hospital does have the right to detain, especially when policies and procedures are being broken. The hospital has the duty to the infant, because the infant is not an adult who can make their own decisions.
A hospital can get sued if they discharge a pediatric patient to an unsafe home situation.


190 posted on 02/26/2012 4:37:47 PM PST by kaila
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To: wintertime

“.........Sensible and emotionally mature people ....”

Now this is a Kennedy we are talking about!


191 posted on 02/26/2012 4:45:30 PM PST by Reily
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To: Ernie Kaputnik
fascist feminazis like you. It’s a waste of time and energy. I gots bigger fish to fry, BEEAATTCCHH!

do FR a favor and crawl back into your hole, or under the bridge or basement you call home, you tiny, worthless, POS troll.

Ernie, if you have to resort to that kind of a personal attack then you've already lost your argument.......

And Ernie, here's some more fuel for your anger......

Stolen and switched babies: How to keep your newborn safe

Switched, Stolen, Black Market Babies & The Baby Brokers

Kidnapped Baby Finds Family After 23 Years

Showdown with 'kidnap mom' in court

192 posted on 02/26/2012 4:49:34 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (The only solution to this primary is a shoot out! Last person standing picks the candidate)
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To: kaila

Nobody has taken into account that this baby was still in the hospital after three days. Was the baby being kept in the hospital for this long or was it the mother who wasn’t discharged.

The possibilities exist that the baby had medical issues, the mother had medical issues, or possibly the staff was reluctant to discharge this mother/baby out of concern for the environment to which they were being returned.

The ease with which this man kicked a female in the groin makes me wonder if there are physical abuse issues.


193 posted on 02/26/2012 4:50:05 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: smoothsailing
Informed police sources inform that Mr Kennedy was carrying the infant to a waiting Oldsmobile vehicle.


194 posted on 02/26/2012 4:56:34 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: ladyjane

Isn’t that the truth?

I can see disagreeing with a nurse (even more so a doctor).

But who of any decency and grace immediately escalates to an altercation, let alone kicking a nurse to the floor?


195 posted on 02/26/2012 5:00:14 PM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: Ernie Kaputnik
You jackass...Piss off, you friggin’ feminazi POS......jackasses like you ...You suck balls.... Now shove it where the sun don’t shine, Beeaatch!

I'm saving this one for prosperity. Considering you've only been around since last summer, you obviously haven't learned anything about civil discourse. Until you get a grip on your anger issues, my guess is that you aren't going to last for much longer......

196 posted on 02/26/2012 5:02:04 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (The only solution to this primary is a shoot out! Last person standing picks the candidate)
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To: smoothsailing

When you have a kid in a hospital (place reserved for killing legally) you are taking your chances; even for a member of American royalty.


197 posted on 02/26/2012 5:02:33 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: mkjessup

The majority of Kennedys are most definately the best example of why the words “political” and “dynasty” should never be in the same sentence. That said, there are good and bad in all families. And I do think there is a distinct possibility of pissed off hospital staff and the smell of money fueling that video-it just looks like something ripe to go bad-but let the court decide that.

And you are dead on-it is not WHO the person is-it is about the law being the same for all. I do believe that was why most of our ancestors came here in the first place. Some of the posts on this thread bring the words “witch hunt” to mind as well as “lynch mob”.

And nanny gestapos need to get lost, period-people need to be responsible for their own families and not expect to sue if some business or institution doesn’t handle everything-”those are the rules because we don’t want to be sued” is just f***ed up logic-this is not the Soviet Union, nor does it need to be...


198 posted on 02/26/2012 5:04:07 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: bigfootbob

She looks like she’s related to Nancy Pelousey.


199 posted on 02/26/2012 5:07:52 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: wintertime
I am not an MD nor have I ever claimed to be one. The MD in my screen name standing for Maryland as in someone from Maryland now living in PA (Pennsylvania).

Honestly, nurses have enough to do medically and surgically with their patients without thinking about every legal aspect of whether or not a baby can leave the hospital without his mother, or judge each case individually. They can't possibly know every aspect of their patient’s lives (posing fraudulently as a member of the family, custody issues, pending divorces, spousal abuse, etc.). That is why hospitals have these very sensible safety protocols for nurses to follow.

As trivial as this little walk outside was it could have managed successfully with a polite, “May I speak to the nursing supervisor”, or “May I have the number of the public relations department.”

First you are presuming that he didn’t request to speak to a supervisor or that the nurses in the incident even gave him a chance to do so. There was in this case, no question that he was the father of the baby or that he was trying to abduct the baby from his wife. It would seem rather obvious that he was cleared and to be in observed in the ward. His wife stands behind him and in saying that the nurses were the aggressors and he was doing nothing wrong. What you are suggesting in that nurses can’t be bothered with “thinking” is nothing different than other ridiculous “zero tolerance” policies such as those where a teacher has a child arrested and a parent put in jail because a kid in kindergarten draws a picture of a gun. Yea, I know; rules are rules; they are after all for our own good and for the children.

Sensible and emotionally mature people understand these issues and don't hassle the nurses about trivialities such as taking a baby for a stroll outside.

And that could also be reasoned to the other side of the argument to say that sensible and emotionally mature people understand that you don’t hassle a dad about trivialities such as taking his baby for a harmless stroll outside

Kicking a nurse in the pelvis while carrying a newborn? Unbelievable! This is not rational behavior. For what? A walk outside?

So what about lunging at a dad with his newborn son in his arms? The nurse claims the baby’s head was bouncing around but the video doesn’t exactly support that claim from what I saw. I could understand if this was a first time dad but he and his wife have three other children so I tend to think he knew how to hold a baby. I can’t say that while holding a new born that anyone coming at me in an aggressive manner wouldn’t be considered a threat that I would respond to in kind.

Again, I’m not defending his actions as I don’t know all the facts. But neither am automatically I willing to accept the nurses side of the story.

200 posted on 02/26/2012 5:09:11 PM PST by MD Expat in PA
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