Posted on 03/21/2012 7:21:07 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
The campaign to extirpate our nation’s Confederate heritage is relentless. In 2007, Dixie College in St. George, Utah changed its name from the Rebels to the Red Storm and discontinued the use of the Confederate flag. The Confederate Air Force, an organization dedicated to preserving historic aircraft, is now the Commemorative Air Force.
The Unionists, both north and south, fighting for the US Constitution in the US Civil War were those on the correct side, from an historical viewpoint. Portraying the Revolution of 1776 as disposable and/or marching in some KKK rally only helps the Obama gang.
Good time to mention the outstanding free Hillsdale Constitution 101 course.
Previous FR links to Constitution 101.
Yes, some of my ancestors fought in the Confederate Army. And some of my ancestors were literally burned out of Northern Alabama during Reconstruction because they resisted the abuses of that occupation.
BUT, other of my ancestors were born in Texas during the Republic or Texas. That ancestor also fought in the CW and was captured and sent to prison in NY. After the War he walked from NY back to Texas.
I have been a history student most of my life. I do not like to read CW history. I have studied much military history, but the period of the CW has no appeal to me.
Do the GOP leadership hold southerners in contempt? Yes.
Do we distrust them? Yes, for the reason of past experience.
I want no part of a 3rd Party. But after we eject these Commies who run our nation, there will be a 3rd party unless the GOP leadership grows up. My suspicion is, they won’t.
The South lost the war, but every American lost the 10th amendment after it was all said and done. That was pretty much the trade off.
Keeping alive that “peculiar institution”. At its core the south (irrespective or their right to secede) was fighting to maintain a system that kept 4 million human beings enslaved. I am not sure such a system should be celebrated. It should be remembered and even discussed extensively. Individuals in the South can be admired for their good qualities and studied for better understanding. The stories of the battle and bravery of those who fought, and the pain of those who suffered can be remembered (Sherman’s brutal march to crush the South for example). As far as I am concerned flying a Southern flag is close to flying a 3rd Reich swastika flag.
Nathan Bedford Forrest has a huge statute south of Nashville. I like to think that statue is there to celebrate his remarkable skill as a soldier, and not the fact that he was a slave trader and one of the founders of the KKK.
For information I was born in Virginia and went to High School in Mississippi and lived in Tennessee for five years. I have also read Foote’s 3 Volume history of the Civil War twice along with dozens of other books on early U.S. history.
Wrong. The War was not primarily about slavery. If it had been they would have simply let the states go their own way. They did not.
No sane person today defends slavery. At the time, there were many southerners who hated it. But slavery still exists today, but it is less obvious, and still very damaging. It is redefined. Now it is the Federal Government who wishes to make slaves of us all.
The south was defeated. But never subjected. Those echoes still reverberate in Texas. Texans will not quietly become slaves to the nanny state this time either.
Free Men need not ask permission.
If you think that the Civil War was not about slavery, you need to read the secession declarations adopted by the various states. They make it quite clear that they were fighting for slavery.
i agree...economics and power was the motivation.
a nice writeup on it http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/civilwar.html
the adams book he mentions was eye opening for me.
Of course it was about slavery. Every other consideration ever mentioned was adjunctive to the practice.
“The Confederate slavemasters were the worst kind of statists. “
Well that’s a new one; the proponents of State’s Rights and secession were the big ‘statists’- and the proponents of compulsory union and a vastly more powerful central government were what, exactly?
No, my FRiend, I do not need to read the declarations.
You simply will not understand what has taken 150 years to heal. The victors write history books.
Why do you think the Northern POLs hold the southern GOP voters in contempt? It is because they wish to be left alone to live their lives in peace. That is not acceptable for the POLs. Their life revolves around telling others what to do.
Capitalism is about freedom of action and that is being destroyed daily by the Federal Monster in DC.
I have been to Iowa many times. We have a lot in common with IA farmers here. Not with Iowa POLs.
Do you think you are more free today than you were as a child?
No, I did not think so.
Why is that happening?
Where do you get that statement? Created out of whole cloth?
Sometimes you just have to hoist the black flag and start cutting throats someone said...Heinlein I think?
We are not all one people now or ever. Nor are we only Republican and Democrat or Whig and Democrat or city or country or whatever the alliances call themselves today.
Take a quick read of........snip “An illuminating history of North America’s eleven rival cultural regions that explodes the red state-blue state myth.
North America was settled by people with distinct religious, political, and ethnographic characteristics, creating regional cultures that have been at odds with one another ever since. Subsequent immigrants didn’t confront or assimilate into an “American” or “Canadian” culture, but rather into one of the eleven distinct regional ones that spread over the continent each staking out mutually exclusive territory......illustrates and explains why “American” values vary sharply from one region to another. Woodard reveals how intranational differences have played a pivotal role at every point in the continent’s history, from the American Revolution and the Civil War to the tumultuous sixties and the “blue county/red county” maps of recent presidential elections. American Nations is a revolutionary and revelatory take on America’s myriad identities and how the conflicts between them have shaped our past and are molding our future.”
In here lay all the answers to many of your questions and arguments.
I view the Battle Flag as a war trophy and I can do anything I damn well want with it.....and I chose to fly it because I am the rebel this time. I had family on both sides and KNOW both were the losers as the sad state of our nation shows today.
The South should have freed the slaves and THEN declared independence as Longstreet says in Killer Angels. The CW is is all theater played against the background of today’s race baiters. Grant owned slaves until 1863.....Lee freed his in 1862. Jefferson Davis adopted a black son, Abe Lincoln wanted to ship them all back to Africa as they were in his mind too stupid to co-exist with whites.....tell me who was right? Both? Neither?
Some of the South seceded to protect their slave interests. However.....Virgina, Arkansas, Tennessee, and NC didn’t secede UNTIL April AFTER Lincoln called up troops to INVADE his own country. Again. Right? Wrong?
The telescope of history collapses men and events and almost always hides the truth with lies convenient to the age in which they are told.
Maybe he gets it from here; you’ll see a certain familiarity with the arguments we often see from the hard core South haters:
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1861/10/25.htm
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1861/us-civil-war/index.htm
Maybe he gets it from here; you’ll see a certain familiarity with the arguments we often see from the hard core South haters:
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1861/10/25.htm
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1861/us-civil-war/index.htm
Yes, the slavemasters were the worst kind of statists because they wanted to use the brute force of government to enforce human slavery.
All of the Founding Fathers, including George Washington, believed the Union to be perpetual. They did not favor a “vastly more powerful central government.” The Federal government was comparatively tiny until the 20th century.
BTW, the term “State’s Rights” was not much used until the segregation controversy of the 1950’s. The slavemasters were certainly not in favor of states rights. In fact, they wanted to forbid the states from outlawing slavery.
I simply do not want to discuss the subject.
It is impossible to convey to those not affected by the aftermath of the CW.
He has no ancestors who endured hardship and left their homes to move across 2 states to be left alone. To be left alone in a very harsh environment. Life was very difficult for those who settled here after that war, but far better than the subjection and corruption forced by the Radical Republican Federal Government.
There were no Republicans in Texas until the Left took over the Dems in the 1960’s. Texas is solid Republican now (not locally, too many die hards)
I have always been Republican, first Presidential ballot was cast for Richard Nixon.
Name a cited issue that wasn’t tied to the Particular Institution.
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