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Why Confederates are taken for granted! (Like conservatives today?)
Nolan Chart ^ | March 16, 2012 | Mark Vogl

Posted on 03/21/2012 7:21:07 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The Confederates of the Southern movement are like the conservatives of the Republican Party, the leaders believe they have no choice!

The parallels occurring in America between the 2012 election year, what is occurring in America as a nation and in the South, and the events of 150 years ago are startling.

While most Americans have some knowledge of the GOP Primary, few have any idea of the Sesquicentennial (the 150th Anniversary of the Civil War) and the events occurring in the Southern movement. And yet, what is occurring is like mirror reflections of one another.

Let's start with what most people know about, the GOP primary. Mitt Romney is the sweetheart of the northeast Republicans. He is super rich, someone keenly involved in the international economy. He is a social liberal, the father of Romney Care, the proto type of Obama Care. He is not Christian, or at least his faith, Mormonism, is not Christian and this suits the northeast elite who revile the Christian faith. God has no place at the governing table. Heavily Catholic in the northeast, it is also heavily liberal. Abortion starts and ends there, along with feminism.

There is a strong Jewish constituency in the northeast, and though divided on many issues, many Jews see America as an extension of Israel. Not the other way around... American foreign policy revolves around Israel. We are in two wars, and threatening a third for Israel's security not our own.

Former Governor of a blue, dark blue state, Mitt Romney is keenly aware of all the above.

But Romney can't win a majority of Republican votes anywhere. He has spent maybe twenty million dollars and the best he can do is garner about 35% of the vote in any state. Why? Because the conservative core of the Party rejects him. It’s instinctual. It’s not Rush, or Hannity. They have no effect on this. Neither does Beck, a Mormon who I would bet is committed to Romney. Beck has backed away recently, but his fangs have already shown.

So if the conservative base will not support Romney in the Primaries how is it that the GOP elite think Romney can beat Obama? ( Maybe they don't, but that's for a different article. ) Because the Republican elite, the Neo Cons, the Karl Roves, the Bush's, et. el figure the conservatives have nowhere else to go. If Romney is the nominee, if he is forced on the party, they will have no choice but support him. Some conservatives may stay home, but the Republican elite just can't believe enough of the conservative base would stay home, or vote for Obama to give the Democrats the win. So conservatives...once again, as you have time and again, you will have to accept the lesser of two evils. You know like McCain and Bob Dole, this is the best we can do. Suck it up! ( an old Army expression.)

For most of us conservatives we know the story. Its burned in our political memories.

Well, the parallel is in the South. For most of the nation the Sesquicentennial doesn't mean much. Many Americans ancestors arrived after the war. Italians, central Europeans, Greeks, and almost all the Latino's have no direct connection to the war, or the division of the nation. In fact, most of these people have no connection to the founding of the nation. They came for material wealth, not liberty and freedom. In their mind, government is supposed to provide. The Tenth Amendment, what's that?

But in the South, where there is a tie to Robert E. Lee, the Confederacy, and southern nationalism, the Sesquicentennial is more than a minor occurrence. If you have ever seen the movie "Sweet Home Alabama" it accurately portrays what occurs in the South every year! The Sesquicentennial is NOT the only time reenactments occur, it’s just when the biggest ones do. A special effort is made.

Recent work at Texas A & M on genealogical formula's indicates that between 50 and 80 million Americans have blood that traces back to a Southern ancestor. That would be one sixth to one fourth of all Americans. Pretty sizeable crew.

But the Sesquicentennial is occurring during the Obama Presidency and there seems to be a real effort, though hidden and underground, to reduce the Southern Pride. Example; the Museum of the Confederacy (M.o.C.) Located in the heart of Richmond, the capitol of the Olde Confederacy, the Museum occupies prized ground that surrounding hospitals or other businesses want. The pressure has been on them a long time to get out. So, this year, the M.o.C. opens its first extension. Many of us believe the opening of the extensions will allow the Museum to leave Richmond eventually.

But the selection for the first opening is evidence that Yankee interests have invested the museum.

Is the first opening in the lovely Shenandoah where Jackson beat three Union armies in one campaign? No. Oh I know, it’s off Interstate 95 at Chancellorsville, the site of Lee's greatest victory! NO. OK, maybe up closer to Washington, D.C. on the Manassas battlefield where the Confederacy won two major battles? Nope. So where?

Appomattox, the place where General Lee surrendered the Army of Northern Virginia. You are kidding! For a Southerner, only Andersonville could be a worse location!

Nope, it's Appomattox. A location more than an hour from any interstate! A location not heavily visited. Great plan don't you think? Take the musuem out of Richmond and put it out in the middle of nowhere?

But the subtle attack on the Confederacy gets better. No Confederate flags will fly on poles outside the Museum of the Confederacy! Not one.

But hey, you Southerners dig into your pockets and shell out some money for the M.o.C.

The fight in the South goes well beyond this.

At THE CITADEL, in Charleston, South Carolina, where the cadets of this school fired the first shots of the war, this school played Dixie as its fight song at football games in the 70's. Confederate naval ensigns flew proudly on the RV's and cars outside the stadium at the cookouts before the game. Crimson red dominated the area surrounding the stadium

Crimson red still dominates, but it’s not the Confederate battle flag. And Dixie, well you don't hear that one anymore. THE CITADEL is not the only culprit. The University of Texas at Arlington, which used to be Arlington State College, and was known as the Rebels where Dixie was also played, is now the U.T.A. Mavericks. The effort to erase Southern history proceeds unabated. The heritage organizations responsible for defending the Cause, overwhelmed or apathetic shrink in inactivity. Oh yes, every once in awhile you will hear about a Court case. But with a potential base of 50 - 80 million Americans you would think they could make more than a whisper.

Where Gettysburg in Pennsylvania nets three hundred million in tourist monies every year, employing 6,000 people, battlefields in the South are hidden. When you drive into a Southern state go to their Visitor's center and look through the brochures for Maps about the Civil War. Probably won't find them. They are there but you have to ask at the counter. The north can prosper from the war, but the South...nope.

Groups like the Sons of Confederate Veterans and the United Daughters of the Confederacy treat Southern patriots like the GOP treats their conservative core. You have nowhere else to go so suck it up!

Ok, so why are you writing this article? Well Republicans remember you thought the conservatives would have no choice? If there is a parallel between the South and the GOP you better rethink that.

In the South, since the heritage organizations would not fight for the South, new groups have spontaneously arisen, and you know what. Much of the activists in these groups are members of the heritage organizations who are tired of inactivity and defeat without a fight. They are in the streets, and they call themselves Flaggers. They reject the passivity and leadership of the heritage organizations. They are causing more pressure on the enemies of the South, and getting more attention then anyone can believe. They are only a handful, but in a South tired of being kicked they are growing.

Well, the same could happen in November at the ballot box.

Sarah Palin is still with us. A candidacy by her would end Romney, nominee or not.

History does repeat itself...but this time the history is simultaneous. Patriotism is not dead. Individuals willing to fight for what they think is right, and who are tired of sorry leadership are on the move. Will it snowball? Let's watch.


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To: El Kabong1

NS=Non Sequitur, a now banned poster who argued the pro-union side on the WBTS threads and who, even now, strikes abject fear into the Lost Cause Losers here.

And for good reason - he routinely kicked ass whenever he went up against one of these guys. It was moderately amusing to see them fight like leftist schoolgirls against him. Come to think of it - they still do “fight” that way!


101 posted on 03/26/2012 12:45:42 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr
Don't know why you include me in that post.

That could be NS or not, I don't know but I can spot trolls a mile away.

If you read the post I responded to, then check the posters history, you'll see it too.

102 posted on 03/26/2012 12:46:33 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: rockrr; manc; mojitojoe
And for good reason - he routinely kicked ass whenever he went up against one of these guys.

LOLOLOL...you know what got NS zotted don't you?

103 posted on 03/26/2012 12:56:20 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“American foreign policy revolves around Israel. We are in two wars, and threatening a third for Israel’s security not our own.”

I stopped reading there.


104 posted on 03/26/2012 12:56:30 PM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: Cheburashka

Meanwhile, slavery was legal in the North and Lincoln stated he had no desire to end it, so what’s your point?


105 posted on 03/26/2012 12:58:37 PM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: iowamark
So, what offenses exactly did President Buchanan commit against "States rights, self reliance and the 10th amendment" to justify secession?

The people of the South wanted Independence it wasn't for anyone else but them to decide its merits. The people voted on it. It wasn't forced on to them. The Federal Govt was pressuring the South with Tariffs and ending slavery in territories because they were to remain "lilly" white. 90% of the whites in the South held no slaves, this wasn't about slavery. Actually competing with plantations factories was no bargain for the average southern farmer.

Mostly the slavery issue gave the average Southerner an excuse to kill the overbearing arrogant Yankees legally, with free ammunition. A feeling I find hard not to relate too.

106 posted on 03/26/2012 12:59:08 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Yea. He said that even though he didn’t agree with the repeal of DADT, he considered service personnel true professionals and didn’t think that it would destroy the military.


107 posted on 03/26/2012 1:09:56 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr
Yea. He said that even though he didn’t agree with the repeal of DADT, he considered service personnel true professionals and didn’t think that it would destroy the military.

It was a zot thread, and I warned him to stay off. He couldn't resist.

So are you going on record as agreeing with that statement?

108 posted on 03/26/2012 1:24:19 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: rockrr

No, he was openly supporting and promoting the homo agenda here.

Plus he was an obnoxious troll.


109 posted on 03/26/2012 1:26:43 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
No, he was openly supporting and promoting the homo agenda here.

Incorrect.

"Everyone is someone else's troll - even you"

110 posted on 03/26/2012 1:35:52 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr

Posting history and time reveal all.


111 posted on 03/26/2012 1:36:23 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: rockrr

I miss NS.

He is missed


112 posted on 03/26/2012 1:38:16 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: rockrr
Eh, go read his posting history, it's still here.

I have never been called a troll in over 18,000 posts, except for once and that was from a Paulbot who was desperately losing an argument.

NS was labeled troll by many a FReeper who have been here longer than I, and apparently by JimRob too.

113 posted on 03/26/2012 1:43:23 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Many Americans ancestors arrived after the war. Italians, central Europeans, Greeks, and almost all the Latino's have no direct connection to the war, or the division of the nation. In fact, most of these people have no connection to the founding of the nation. They came for material wealth, not liberty and freedom.

I have a problem with comments like that which I have in bold.

I know plenty of Central and Eastern Europeans whose ancestors (or themselves) were driven out of their country due to tyranny.

114 posted on 03/26/2012 1:49:04 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Time for brokered convention)
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To: rockrr
Yeah right Ace, LOLLOL!
You and your little buddy have fun now.
115 posted on 03/26/2012 1:52:30 PM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Newt......Nuff said.)
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To: manc; wardaddy

The haters are just like clockwork.

Their goal is to hijack any and all discussions related to the Civil War and to use them to further their agenda of trashing the South and its people.

And as wardaddy has said if you scratch a South-hater don’t be surprised to find an America-hater underneath. They often are one and the same.


116 posted on 03/26/2012 2:03:02 PM PDT by Pelham (Marco Rubio, la raza trojan horse.)
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To: rockrr

er I called out a troll, you jumped in acting like the knight in shining armor , only for me to right and you wrong ,just like now , so who is the dolt again?

ARF


117 posted on 03/26/2012 2:14:19 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman,It's not a conservative view but a true American view)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

rockrr is off his rocker me finks, the knight in shining armor, hoping to be friends with new trolls.


118 posted on 03/26/2012 2:15:53 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman,It's not a conservative view but a true American view)
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To: Pelham

as soon as a thread like this comes on here the usual suspects arrive around the same time very quickly.

mmmmmmm


119 posted on 03/26/2012 2:17:16 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman,It's not a conservative view but a true American view)
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To: manc; wardaddy

The haters are just like clockwork.

Their goal is to hijack any and all discussions related to the Civil War and to use them to further their agenda of trashing the South and its people.

And as wardaddy has said if you scratch a South-hater don’t be surprised to find an America-hater underneath. They often are one and the same.


120 posted on 03/26/2012 2:24:27 PM PDT by Pelham (Marco Rubio, la raza trojan horse.)
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To: manc
Maybe this guy can articulate it better than I have.
121 posted on 03/26/2012 2:27:22 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr

ROFLMAO!!!! He got zotted for kicking ass on FR? You might want to ask Jim R about that. he got zotted because he was a troll and decided to go up against Jim and tell him gays in the military were AOK . The boss himself fried his a$$. Then he came back FOUR more times and got zotted.

I figured by now you and NS probably moved in together or at least got a room.


122 posted on 03/26/2012 2:55:17 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron; rockrr

No, he was openly supporting and promoting the homo agenda here.

Plus he was an obnoxious troll
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Of course he was and if you went back to the day he joined he always supported queers and other liberal agendas including abortion. I would post all the past posts, but he’s gone, not wasting my time unless he shows up here again, but JR is no dummy, I’m sure he will zot him again, just like he did his other 4 retread accounts.

Rockrr will always be in love with him.


123 posted on 03/26/2012 3:05:43 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: Pelham

you’d think they have a Trayvon Martin rally to hurry up to...


124 posted on 03/26/2012 3:06:28 PM PDT by wardaddy (I am a social conservative. My political party left me(again). They can go to hell in a bucket.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron; rockrr; little jeremiah; onyx; TheOldLady

The fact that so many long time FReepers celebrated for weeks over NS’s zot, says it all.


125 posted on 03/26/2012 3:07:30 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: rockrr

Do you suppose that there might just be a possibility that this el kabong guy isn’t who you think it is and you are needlessly harassing him?
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NO!


126 posted on 03/26/2012 3:08:31 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: mojitojoe; rockrr
Rockrr will always be in love with him.

LOL....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzV7twJqeQ8&feature=fvst

127 posted on 03/26/2012 3:09:45 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: rockrr

Vomit material. Contact him and get a room.


128 posted on 03/26/2012 3:11:46 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: mojitojoe

I’m imbibing a post to his departure as I type this.


129 posted on 03/26/2012 3:13:13 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: manc

Like clockwork, amazing, isn’t it. If you ever want to find NS’s new re-tread names, just look for rockrr and Bubba Ho-tep to show up. Trumandogz can’t anymore, he got zotted. Bwahahahahah! Bubbas flying way below the radar because he knows he’s being watched by many. WATCHED!!!! Not stalked. Watching is not stalking.


130 posted on 03/26/2012 3:15:36 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: rockrr

Excellent advice and I always go by past posting history, key words, phrases and who their friends are. NS is easy to spot. He will always turn up on CW threads and BC threads and there aren’t many newbies interested in both of those.


131 posted on 03/26/2012 3:17:56 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: Pelham

they only care because it involves blacks as the victims...supposedly

were it about American Indians or Mexicans as the poor exploited group they could give a damn

it’s about them or in some way connected...wifey or adopted black kid or mixed race...some connection to being a victim of white folks and southerners are the perfect place to start beating the drum

whites being mean to blacks is their thing...some of these turds are black but never admit it except one

or they are married to a black or they have some minority interest...religion maybe

it’s always something persona;

normal non southerners don’t much care

who was that poster who used to rail about it all and was found out to be a liar about what he was but married to a black woman...so he said when busted about the other lies?

illbay...angry Mormon?

sinkspur...fake priest...probably social lib MaryKnoll type in love with latinos

and others

only one of these south bashers has ever nutted up to be black and even though I often disagree with him I respect that and unlike these clowns he often posts about other issues too

if they are so obsessed with any white committed injustice then why stop with the South...plenty more crap to whine about


132 posted on 03/26/2012 3:21:42 PM PDT by wardaddy (I am a social conservative. My political party left me(again). They can go to hell in a bucket.)
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To: little jeremiah
"Could this be FR’s favorite retread? Anti-birther and hates the Confederacy... Made 3 comments so far only."

That will earn him points with management.

133 posted on 03/26/2012 3:28:13 PM PDT by Godebert (NO PERSON EXCEPT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: mojitojoe

it’s pathetic how they all of sudden come out together and within an hour of these threads.


134 posted on 03/26/2012 3:38:50 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman,It's not a conservative view but a true American view)
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To: wardaddy
The calendar says 2012.

Your computer is stuck in 2002.

And you ... is it 1952 or 1962 in your head?

135 posted on 03/26/2012 3:40:28 PM PDT by x (Silly me. It's still 1862 in there.)
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To: x; wardaddy

the hit dog howls....


136 posted on 03/26/2012 3:44:03 PM PDT by Pelham (Marco Rubio, la raza trojan horse.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Notice rockrr is making this about HIM to draw attention away from the new NS retread name.

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137 posted on 03/26/2012 3:48:42 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron; rockrr

Can’t you feel the loooooveeeeee....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9_nXlvY6Io


138 posted on 03/26/2012 3:49:45 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: Godebert

Point taken...

:-[


139 posted on 03/26/2012 3:50:37 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: The Cajun; Las Vegas Ron; rockrr
Rockrr to the long ago zotted NS that he still pines for: PhotobucketPhotobucket Photobucket
140 posted on 03/26/2012 4:00:00 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: central_va; Las Vegas Ron; manc

It was a zot thread, and I warned him to stay off. He couldn’t resist.
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Why would you warn a troll that is getting ready to hang himself??????????

Did you want him on here so you could argue with him?

Most were waiting, hoping as his sign up date caused him to be bolder and bolder that he would finally be exposed and zotted. He got confident, so bold he decided to tell the bossman Jim that DADT was AOK, big mistake. You could smell the ozone for days, that was one stinky liberal troll. Even his retread zots after that had an especially foul odor.


141 posted on 03/26/2012 4:07:47 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: mojitojoe
The last sentence in post #96 is Deja Vu:

NS - ..."I’m sorry if my opinions about the region’s history make you uncomfortable, but this is a conservative site and patriotism necessarily includes loyalty to our national government, no matter who the president might be at any given time."

This is NS or his doppelganger. NS's devote patriotism for Obama.

142 posted on 03/26/2012 5:03:45 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: mojitojoe

Make that in the above post 142, NS = El Kabong1


143 posted on 03/26/2012 5:13:10 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: rockrr

I think you’re thinking may be clouded by years of indoctrination. You have been force-fed “approved” history texts that have confused and twisted the story of our nation and our people.

Slavery was not an ideal institution, but Africa was not an ideal place to live, either. Have you considered how many “slaves” actually came here as volunteers to escape the horrors of Africa? I’ll bet you don’t hear much about that in your mainstream history textbooks, do you?

Try to keep an open mind. Americans are not evil people and Americans never were evil people.


145 posted on 03/26/2012 6:17:11 PM PDT by Tau Food
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To: El Kabong1
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146 posted on 03/26/2012 6:29:47 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: Tau Food
I think you’re thinking may be clouded by years of indoctrination. You have been force-fed “approved” history texts that have confused and twisted the story of our nation and our people.

I doubt it.

Slavery was not an ideal institution, but Africa was not an ideal place to live, either. Have you considered how many “slaves” actually came here as volunteers to escape the horrors of Africa? I’ll bet you don’t hear much about that in your mainstream history textbooks, do you?

I appreciate your being candid in your moral relativism regarding slavery in America.

Try to keep an open mind. Americans are not evil people and Americans never were evil people.

How does that possibly relate to anything that I've said? I agree that Americans are not evil people - but the southern slaveocracy certainly were.

147 posted on 03/26/2012 6:37:02 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Pelham

Every forum must have a Skip Gates...bless his aggrieved heart


148 posted on 03/26/2012 6:57:32 PM PDT by wardaddy (I am a social conservative. My political party left me(again). They can go to hell in a bucket.)
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To: rockrr

“The rise and fall of the slave power is the grandest example of the dialectic in American history. The slaveholders had to be lifted to the heights before they were dashed to the ground and annihilated forever in the Civil War, an historical precedent it is good to keep in mind when the advancing world reaction seems to be carrying everything before it.

The first two articles of the series contributed to the Vienna Presse written in refutation of the arguments disseminated by the Southern sympathizers in England, are the meatiest portions of this collection. The pro-slavery advocates contended, first that the war between the North and South was nothing but a tariff war; second, that it was waged by the North against the South to maintain the Union by force; and, third, that the slave question had nothing to do with it.

Marx easily explodes the first argument with five well-placed facts to the contrary. In answer to the second, he points out that the war emanated, not from the North, but from the South. The Civil War originated as a rebellion of the slaveholding oligarchy against the Republican government. Just as the bombardment of Fort Sumter started the war, so Lincoln’s election, gave the signal for secession. Lincoln’s victory was made possible by the breach between the Northern and Southern wings of the Democratic Party, and the rise of the Republican Party in the new Northwest. The key to secession was therefore to be found in the upsurge of the Northwest. By splitting the Democratic ranks and supporting the Republican candidate, the Northwestern states upset the balance of power which had enabled the slave power to rule the Republic for six decades and thereby made secession necessary and inevitable.

With the principle that any further extension of slave territory was to be prohibited by law, the Republicans attacked the rule of the slaveholders at its root. A strict confinement of slavery within its old terrain was bound according to economic law to lead to its gradual effacement, in the political sphere to annihilate the hegemony that the slave states exercised through the Senate, and finally to expose the slaveholding oligarchy within its own states to threatening perils from the side of the “poor whites”. The Republican election victory was accordingly bound to lead to the open struggle between North and South.

The assumption of state power placed a noose in the hands of the Republican bourgeoisie which they could draw as tight as they pleased around the neck of the slave power until they had succeeding in strangling it. Having lost control of the government to their adversary and faced with the prospect of slow death, the slaveholders determined to fight for their freedom—to enslave others!

The political contest which resulted in civil war was but the expression of profound economic antagonisms between the slave and free states. According to Marx, the most important of these was the struggle over the possession of the territories necessary for the expansion of their respective systems of production. In a striking phrase Marx states that “the territorial contest which opened this dire epopee was to decide whether the virgin soil of immense tracts should be wedded to the labor of the immigrant or prostituted to the tramp of the slavedriver”. The Western lands were the rock on which the Union was shipwrecked.

To those who represent the slaveholder’s rebellion as a defensive, and, therefore, a just war, Marx replied that it was the precise opposite. The dissolution of the Union and the formation of the Confederacy were only the first steps in the slaveholders’ program. After consolidating their power, the slavocracy must inevitably strive to conquer the North and to extend its dominion over the tropics where cotton could be cultivated. “The South was not a country... but a battle cry”; the war of the Southern Confederacy “a war of conquest for the extension and perpetuation of slavery”. The slave-owners aimed to reorganize the Union on the basis of slavery. This would entail the subjugation of North America, the nullification of the free institutions of the Northern states, the perpetuation of an obsolete and barbaric method of production at the expense of a higher economic order. The triumph of the backward South over the progressive North would deal an irreparable blow to human progress.

To those who argued that slavery had nothing to do with the Civil War because the Republicans feared to unfurl the banner of emancipation at the beginning of the conflict, Marx pointed out that the Confederacy itself proclaimed the foundation of a republic for the first time in modem history with slavery as its unquestionable principle. Not only the secession movement but the war itself was, in the last analysis, based upon the slave question.

Not in the sense of whether the slaves within the existing slave states would be emancipated or not (although this matter, too, must sooner or later be settled), but whether twenty million men of the North should subordinate themselves any longer to an oligarchy of three hundred thousand slaveholders; whether the vast territories of the republic should be planting-places for free states or for slavery; finally, whether the national policy of the Union should take armed propaganda of slavery in Mexico, Central and South America as its device.

Thus Marx proceeds from the political to the economic and finally to the social core of the Civil War. With surgical skill he probes deeper and deeper until he penetrates to the heart of the conflict. “The present struggle between the North and South,” he concludes, “is nothing but a struggle between two social systems; between the system of slavery and the system of free labor.” The struggle has broken out because the two systems can no longer live peacefully side by side on the North American continent. It can only be ended by the victory of one system or the other.” If this conclusion appears elementary to us today, it is only because history has absolutely confirmed it. But one has only to compare Marx’s words at the opening of the Civil War with the writings of the other politicians of the period to appreciate their foresight.”

http://www.marxists.org/archive/novack/1938/02/01.htm


149 posted on 03/26/2012 7:01:35 PM PDT by Pelham (Marco Rubio, la raza trojan horse.)
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To: wardaddy

An interesting bit of trivia about Mr Beer Summit that might put him at odds with the haters:

“Ending the Slavery Blame-Game” editorial

“In 2010, Gates wrote an editorial in The New York Times which discussed the role played by Africans in the slave trade.[16] In an article for Newsweek, journalist Lisa Miller reported on the reaction to the editorial:
The enemy of individuality is groupthink, Gates says, and here he holds everyone accountable. Recently, he has enraged many of his colleagues in the African-American studies field—especially those campaigning for government reparations for slavery—by insistently reminding them, as he did in a New York Times op-ed last year, that the folks who captured and sold blacks into slavery in the first place were also Africans, working for profit. “People wanted to kill me, man,” Gates says of the reaction to that op-ed. “Black people were so angry at me. But we need to get some distance from the binary opposition we were raised in: evil white people and good black people. The world just isn’t like that.”

Gates’s critics say he’s a provocateur and publicity hound, stretched too thin and puffed up by his celebrity friends. Lolita Buckner Inniss, a professor at the Cleveland-Marshall College of Law, wrote a letter to The New York Times in response to the Gates piece in which she pointed out the obvious. No matter who did the capturing, it was white people who created the market for African slaves and perpetuated the practice even after the import trade was banned. “My first thought was, he’s kidding, right?” she told me. “Up until that recent piece, people would have thought of him as someone who took a cautious and nuanced approach to questions like reparations.” Gates has such an eminent reputation, she said, and “so much gravitas. Many of us were troubled.”

The editorial begins and ends with the observation that it is very difficult to decide whether or not to give reparations to the descendants of American slaves, in other words whether they should receive compensation for their ancestors’ unpaid labor and bondage. Gates also points out that it is equally difficult to decide who should get these reparations and who should pay them.”


150 posted on 03/26/2012 7:08:01 PM PDT by Pelham (Marco Rubio, la raza trojan horse.)
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