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Buell and Grant Surprise the Rebels at Shiloh
Civil War Daily Gazette ^ | April 7, 2012 | Eric

Posted on 04/07/2012 6:16:18 PM PDT by Upstate NY Guy

April 7, 1862 (Monday) Pittsburg Landing, Tennessee

General Grant tried to sleep, first under a tree near his men and then in a cabin that he found already occupied with the wounded. Through the night, Union transports and reinforcements arrived at Pittsburg Landing, bringing 25,000 much-needed men. Grant was certain that his line could withstand a Confederate attack. In fact, he was so certain, that he wanted to go on the offensive.

Meanwhile, General Beauregard, now the sole commander of the Confederate Army of Mississippi, slept in General Sherman’s tent, the former owner vacating it as the Rebels attacked the previous day. He had reported to President Davis a “complete victory,” but gave no clue as to how he would follow it up come morning. He had no idea that Union General Buell’s Army of the Ohio had joined Grant’s Army of the Tennessee. His army was scattered, disassociated and worn out. His plan must have been to attack as he took no precautions to defend against a Union assault. He believed he had Grant exactly where he wanted him. And he was wrong.

As the rains fell over friend and foe alike, Grant arrayed his men. He did not, however, command the entire Union force...

(Excerpt) Read more at civilwardailygazette.com ...


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The tables turn. Grant remains cool under pressure.

It happened 150 years ago today.


1 posted on 04/07/2012 6:16:25 PM PDT by Upstate NY Guy
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To: Upstate NY Guy

INVADING YANKEE AGGRRESORS SURPRISE CONFEDERATE PATRIOTS AT SHILOH

There, fixed it - accuracy is important even in 150 year old news stories.


2 posted on 04/07/2012 6:37:56 PM PDT by Happy Rain ("ONE TERM MITT__SARAH 2016")
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To: Happy Rain

lol Being from VA all my life, I always catch myself referring to the Confederacy as “our side”.


3 posted on 04/07/2012 6:39:40 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Happy Rain

They Yankees came down out of love for the USA to “preserve” it with grapeshot and double canister. It was in all the papers. Funny way to preserve something.


4 posted on 04/07/2012 6:42:17 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: KoRn
I had a great great grandfather who fought for Gen Wade Hampton here in South Carolina and a great grandfather who fought for Gen Bedford Forest in Tennessee...

...nether fought for slavery but to protect their homes from an invading foreign enemy, no more and no less.

150 years ago I would have been fighting alongside them but today I am glad the South lost because the US has done pretty well for itself since then.

5 posted on 04/07/2012 6:49:54 PM PDT by Happy Rain ("ONE TERM MITT__SARAH 2016")
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To: Happy Rain
"US has done pretty well for itself since then."

...For about 100 years anyway. Though I wasn't yet alive at the time, I understand that we started going to hell back during the 1960s, and haven't looked back.

6 posted on 04/07/2012 6:57:21 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Happy Rain

If it wasn’t for the South the USA would be a socialist/communist country by now. Personally I want out of this Union. Let the Socialist take New England and try to create Utopia on earth.


7 posted on 04/07/2012 7:01:46 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Let it go, Confederate Brothers.

It’s over. We have more pressing issues in our country right here and right now.

The next fight will find the offspring of good Americans from Maine to Texas, from Oregon to Florida, shoulder to shoulder in the lines. This struggle will be longer and harder than the last.

Pray for our patriots, regardless of from whence they come.


8 posted on 04/07/2012 7:06:55 PM PDT by SnuffaBolshevik (In a tornado, even turkeys can fly.)
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To: SnuffaBolshevik

First the (Continental) Blue vs the (British) Red then the (Yankee) Blue vs the (Confederate) Gray followed by the (American) Red White and Blue vs the (Communist) Red and now back full circle to the Blue (states) vs the Red (states) again.

Freedom vs Tyranny in all it’s many colors.


9 posted on 04/07/2012 7:29:50 PM PDT by Happy Rain ("ONE TERM MITT__SARAH 2016")
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To: Upstate NY Guy

Interestingly, the entry only briefly mentions one of the pivotal points of the battle, which occurred the day before. The overall commander of Confederate forces at Shiloh, General Albert Sidney Johnston, was killed while leading his men along the front lines.

Johnston, considered the Confederacy’s finest general (before the emergence of Robert E. Lee) took a bullet in the back of his knee—a round almost certainly fired by one of his own soldiers (at the time, Johnston was well in front of his leading elements). Initially, General Johnston didn’t believe his wound was serious, and told his staff physician to attend to a ground of wounded Union soldiers nearby. But within minutes, Johnston almost fell off his horse as he began to lose consciousness. The bullet had severed an artery in his leg, and he died a few minutes later from blood loss.

Johnston’s death left P.G.T Beauregard in command of Confederate forces. Beauregard, who was well behind the lines, had a poor understanding of the tactical picture and made one of the most controversial decisions of the war. Not realizing that Grant was near defeat, he made the decision to postpone another attack against Union lines until the next day. By that time, Buell had arrived with reinforcements, and Union forces rallied, defeating Beauregard decisively.

While it is possible to read too much into Johnston’s death, he was a far better commander, strategist and tactician than the incompetents who followed him, particularly Braxton Bragg and John Bell Hood. Bragg was a competent engineer, and Hood was a fine commander at the brigade and division level. But as a leader of armies, they were among the worst of the Civil War, and helped hasten the south’s defeat.


10 posted on 04/07/2012 7:54:12 PM PDT by ExNewsExSpook (uoted)
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To: Upstate NY Guy

Interestingly, the entry only briefly mentions one of the pivotal points of the battle, which occurred the day before. The overall commander of Confederate forces at Shiloh, General Albert Sidney Johnston, was killed while leading his men along the front lines.

Johnston, considered the Confederacy’s finest general (before the emergence of Robert E. Lee) took a bullet in the back of his knee—a round almost certainly fired by one of his own soldiers (at the time, Johnston was well in front of his leading elements). Initially, General Johnston didn’t believe his wound was serious, and told his staff physician to attend to a ground of wounded Union soldiers nearby. But within minutes, Johnston almost fell off his horse as he began to lose consciousness. The bullet had severed an artery in his leg, and he died a few minutes later from blood loss.

Johnston’s death left P.G.T Beauregard in command of Confederate forces. Beauregard, who was well behind the lines, had a poor understanding of the tactical picture and made one of the most controversial decisions of the war. Not realizing that Grant was near defeat, he made the decision to postpone another attack against Union lines until the next day. By that time, Buell had arrived with reinforcements, and Union forces rallied, defeating Beauregard decisively.

While it is possible to read too much into Johnston’s death, he was a far better commander, strategist and tactician than the incompetents who followed him, particularly Braxton Bragg and John Bell Hood. Bragg was a competent engineer, and Hood was a fine commander at the brigade and division level. But as a leader of armies, they were among the worst of the Civil War, and helped hasten the south’s defeat.


11 posted on 04/07/2012 7:56:13 PM PDT by ExNewsExSpook (uoted)
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To: ExNewsExSpook
Shiloh is 14 miles from my front door. Forrest spent the night walking around the Union lines and came back to the Confederate side begging the commanders to attack in the night because he knew that by early morning the Confederates would be outnumbered. Buell was ferrying troops across the Tennessee River all night long and Lew Wallace with 10,000 troops had made a circuitous march along Owl Creek to Crump and then back to Shiloh. There were many competent commanders that would have made a significant difference.
12 posted on 04/07/2012 8:01:22 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: Upstate NY Guy

Had a g-g-g- grandfather who died at Shiloh. Was in the 10th AR Infantry. RIP.


13 posted on 04/07/2012 8:04:34 PM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: Upstate NY Guy
Victor Davis Hanson once wrote an essay in which he made a credible case that General Lew Wallace's bestselling novel Ben Hur: A Tale of the Christ (New York: Harper, 1880) was likely inspired by the battle of Shiloh, in which he participated.
14 posted on 04/07/2012 8:10:33 PM PDT by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: Happy Rain

Makes sense to me....this is the 150th anniversary of the “War of Northern Agression”


15 posted on 04/07/2012 8:53:02 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy.)
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To: Happy Rain

It did stand out to me that the fighting was in Tennessee yet the “natives” were called “rebels”. Let the argument begin!

As for Shiloh, I first went there in 1966. I went back last year. Fascinating place.

If you’re ever near there, be sure and go to the Catfish Hotel. The best catfish you’ll ever eat. Ate some in 1966. Ate some last year. It was as good as I’d remembered.


16 posted on 04/07/2012 9:04:35 PM PDT by Terry Mross ("It happened. And we let it happen." - Peter Griffin, Family Guy)
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To: ExNewsExSpook

Gen Johnston and Gen Cleburne were both from Helena, Arkansas, along with 5 other Confederate generals. Their descendents inherited nothing. I knew some of them. One of the Cleburnes was a barber. But the descendents of a Union Captain who was put in charge of the occupation ended up wealthy.


17 posted on 04/07/2012 9:10:12 PM PDT by Terry Mross ("It happened. And we let it happen." - Peter Griffin, Family Guy)
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To: ExNewsExSpook
Interestingly, the entry only briefly mentions one of the pivotal points of the battle, which occurred the day before. The overall commander of Confederate forces at Shiloh, General Albert Sidney Johnston, was killed while leading his men along the front lines

The prior days surprise attack and the death of Johnston are covered in yesterday's posting and article from the Civil War Daily Gazette.

I agree with your assesment about Beauregard's postponement. Grant's army was in a bad place the prior day. Quite a different outcome if Beauregard had pressed on the night before.

My God! We Are Attacked! Disorganized Surprise at Shiloh Church

18 posted on 04/08/2012 3:21:10 AM PDT by Upstate NY Guy
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To: Fiji Hill

Interesting. Thanks. I enjoy reading Victor Davis Hanson.


19 posted on 04/08/2012 3:31:43 AM PDT by Upstate NY Guy
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To: vetvetdoug
Shiloh is 14 miles from my front door. Forrest spent the night walking around the Union lines and came back to the Confederate side begging the commanders to attack in the night because he knew that by early morning the Confederates would be outnumbered.

Very interesting, thanks. I hope to visit the battlefield soon. I can't wait until I retire and have the opportunity to visit the great Civil War sites in Tennessee.

There is an good follow up to the end of the battle in today's Daily Civil War Gazette. In the second part of this article they discuss Forrest's amazing charge and escape on day 3.

Forrest Escapes the Union Pursuit

20 posted on 04/08/2012 3:58:41 AM PDT by Upstate NY Guy
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To: Happy Rain; central_va; rockrr; donmeaker
Happy Rain: "INVADING YANKEE AGGRRESORS SURPRISE CONFEDERATE PATRIOTS AT SHILOH"

Over 100,000 white Southern Unionists served in the Union army.
These included:

"Statistics indicate other Southerners’ ability to cool white Confederates’ ardor; and the numbers illuminate but the tip of the iceberg.

Southern blacks supplied close 150,000 Union soldiers and sailors (northern free blacks provided another 50,000).
Border South whites added 200,000 and Confederate state whites 100,000 soldiers to Union troop strength.

The resulting total of 450,000 Southerners who wore Union blue, half as many as the 900,000 Southerners who wore Confederate gray, replaced every one of the Federals’ 350,000 slain men and supplied 100,000 more men besides—a number greater than the usual size of Robert E. Lee’s main Confederate army.

White Confederates developed no such replacements for their mounting casualties; and in addition, anti-Confederate Southerners piled on psychological, economic, and geographic burdens that ultimately helped flatten white Confederates’ resiliency."

William W. Freehling, The South Vs. The South : How Anti-Confederate Southerners Shaped the Course of the Civil War


21 posted on 04/08/2012 6:00:04 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK
THe South didn't keep records as accurately when volunteers enlisted. The Richmond fire burned a lot of records. So I only have anecdotal evidence to say that the converse was probably true, as many border state residents and northerners fought for the Confederacy. There are cemeteries filled in Maryland and West Virginia of old Rebels.

My mother worked in Maryland for the Montgomery County Public Schools, whose first director was a confederate Calvary Officer that died in the 1910's the name was Anderson I think.

22 posted on 04/08/2012 6:20:57 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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KoRn: "...For about 100 years anyway. Though I wasn't yet alive at the time, I understand that we started going to hell back during the 1960s, and haven't looked back."

central_va: "If it wasn’t for the South the USA would be a socialist/communist country by now."

Our Neo-Confederates like to blame ole' Abe Lincoln for most everything bad since, but in truth, the Federal Government remained much the same (i.e., 2% of GDP) until the early 1900s Progressive Era.
Its growth from our Founders' Original Intent to today's monstrosity happened in four major lurches:

  1. Early 1900s Progressive Era (i.e., Woodrow Wilson) added the 16th and 17th Amendments -- Income Tax and Direct Election of Senators both concentrating power and money in Washington.

  2. Franklin Roosevelt's 1930s era New Deal taxes (i.e., Social Security) more than doubled Federal Revenues, to 10% of GDP.

  3. Lyndon Johnson's 1960s era Great Society added unlimited new Federal entitlements (i.e., Medicare and Medicaid).

  4. Barrack Obama's "stimulus" and other spending have increased Washington's share from 20% to now 25% of GDP.

And our now solidly Conservative South voted and cheered for all of this, until Lyndon Johnson made clear that they were not to be the main beneficiaries of Washington's largess.

23 posted on 04/08/2012 6:23:59 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK
"If it wasn’t for the South the USA would be a socialist/communist country by now."

The statement stands on its own merits, and everyone knows it to be true. A divided country North and South, if it happened 150 years ago - by now the North would at best be a Euro Socialist state. Denying that will make you sound like an idiot.

24 posted on 04/08/2012 6:28:52 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: BroJoeK
Lyndon Johnson's 1960s era Great Society added unlimited new Federal entitlements (i.e., Medicare and Medicaid).

The "Great Society" programs were enacted in 1965. The asshat jerk didn't even try to run for reelection and it wasn't just because he screwed up in Vietnam.

25 posted on 04/08/2012 6:34:39 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
central_va: "So I only have anecdotal evidence to say that the converse was probably true, as many border state residents and northerners fought for the Confederacy."

No doubt that's true -- Maryland, Western Virginia, Kentucky and Missouri, to name a few, all supplied substantial troops to the Confederate Army.

How many they supplied, and what percentages went South versus North is probably debatable.
Somewhere I saw numbers for Maryland suggesting two served the Union for every one in the Confederate Army -- or more-or-less the reverse of Confederate states like Tennessee and North Carolina.

As for more sympathetic "Doughface" Northern states, like Pennsylvania, Indiana and Illinois -- I've never seen numbers, if there are any, on Confederate troops from those areas.

26 posted on 04/08/2012 6:35:07 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK
As for more sympathetic "Doughface" Northern states, like Pennsylvania, Indiana and Illinois -- I've never seen numbers, if there are any, on Confederate troops from those areas.

Enlistment records in the South were not bad as I understand it, it is just that all the data was stored in Richmond with no duplicates anywhere and it all went up in flames.

27 posted on 04/08/2012 6:42:51 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Personally I want out of this Union.

You can leave any time you want. Try France. I hear they have good food there.

28 posted on 04/08/2012 6:58:30 AM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: central_va
central_va: ""If it wasn’t for the South the USA would be a socialist/communist country by now."

"The statement stands on its own merits, and everyone knows it to be true...
Denying that will make you sound like an idiot."

The USA already is a socialist/communist country, to a larger and larger degree each decade, as our politicians (sadly not all of them Democrats) figure out more and more ways to defeat the Constitution's limitations on the size and power of Federal Government.

Our only consolation used to be that we could at least say, "we are not as socialist/communistic as, say, Russia or China or Western Europe.
But today there are lots of countries all over the world who score higher on the "freedom scale" than we do.

In the latest report we rank #10 in "economic freedom" behind:

  1. Hong Kong
  2. Singapore
  3. Australia
  4. New Zealand
  5. Switzerland
  6. Canada
  7. Chile
  8. Mauritius
  9. Ireland

  10. USA

In addition, another 20 countries score roughly as well as we do, including most of Western Europe.
Point is: we don't have to become much more socialist/communistic to reach the levels of many European Union countries.
We're almost there now.

So I'd suggest that the South's alleged ability to anchor us to Conservatism is perhaps overrated?

;-)

29 posted on 04/08/2012 7:00:50 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: Ditto

How about we expel New England from the Union? California too. There, how’s that?


30 posted on 04/08/2012 7:06:38 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: BroJoeK

You think like a statist and have no understanding of regional differences and states rights. You are indeed a son of Abraham (Lincoln not the old testament one)


31 posted on 04/08/2012 7:08:55 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Christ sake you never give up, do you? Living in America isn’t good enough for you? Why don’t you leave and find some place else to live. I’m sure your parents would like to do something else with the basement.


32 posted on 04/08/2012 7:09:30 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: jmacusa
Christ sake you never give up, do you? Living in America isn’t good enough for you? Why don’t you leave and find some place else to live. I’m sure your parents would like to do something else with the basement.

I deserve to have better countrymen than you. I was born in a better America, I deserve a better America, my descendants born and unborn deserve better. And no I never give up butt munch.

33 posted on 04/08/2012 7:14:22 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

“I deserve’’.. It’s all about you isn’t it? You’re like the “Occupy’’ bunch. Who the hell are you to think you deserve a ‘’better’’ anything. You’re pathetic you little Johnny Reb wanna-be. F**king cry-baby is all you are. “I deserve better countryman’’. Where did you learn crap like that?


34 posted on 04/08/2012 7:18:45 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: jmacusa
Where did you learn crap like that?

From reading posts like yours. Your standards for a republic and tolerance for statism are much higher than mine.

This seems to be the natural inclination of a butt kisser personality.

35 posted on 04/08/2012 7:21:52 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
How about we expel New England from the Union? California too. There, how’s that?

Ya... France would be a good spot for you. They hate the United States too.

36 posted on 04/08/2012 7:23:27 AM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: Ditto
Ya... France would be a good spot for you. They hate the United States too.

Is that all you got? Yawn.

37 posted on 04/08/2012 7:26:03 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: BroJoeK; central_va

It’s courteous to post links.

http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking


38 posted on 04/08/2012 7:29:09 AM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: mojitojoe

I guess it is startin’ again. I make one comment and the Lincoln Coven feeding frenzy begins.


39 posted on 04/08/2012 7:32:19 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Is that all you got? Yawn.

I have a love for this country and all 50 states. You have only hate for it.

40 posted on 04/08/2012 7:58:51 AM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: Ditto
You have only hate for it.

Where did I say I hated anything? You can scan my posting history if you want.

41 posted on 04/08/2012 8:00:42 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Ditto
I have a serious question for you if you can calm down a second. I want your opinion on something:

Somebody that hates the Federal Government, but has loyalty to the citizens of their state, the republic and the Constitution, can that person be a patriotic American? Can a person who espouses the separation of their state(s) from the USA, does this make them a traitor? If they are a traitor are they a traitor to their state or to the USA?

42 posted on 04/08/2012 8:09:18 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: BroJoeK
Many old constitutional notions died as well in that damn war.

General Robert E Lee (God bless and rest his noble and honorable soul) was a Virginia patriot in that he was conservative enough to know his commonwealth, one of “these” and not “the” United States was his “first” call to loyalty—and the alliance of the sovereign states his second much as the patriots of the First War for American Independence felt.

Those born on Southern soil who fought for the murdering, raping,looting and burning savages who laid waste the land that enabled their very existence were the bastard fathers of the bastard scalawags who were the treacherous running dogs of the avarice infested and hate infected Satan spawned carpetbaggers. I piss on their legacy and consider their progeny cursed--but in a nice way:).

43 posted on 04/08/2012 8:14:04 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("ONE TERM MITT__SARAH 2016")
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To: central_va
Virginia endured the lion's share of combat and if not for their valiant resistance against the invading Yankee barbarian hordes the premeditated Blue-belly murdering, raping and looting of the South (maybe not Abe's intentions, but certainly those of his conscripted and mercenary armies infested as they were by foul filthy and illiterate gangbangers from the Hellish white ghettos of the metropolitan North).

Jefferson,Washington and ROBERT E LEE— you got lots to be proud of my Southern comrade.

44 posted on 04/08/2012 8:31:56 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("ONE TERM MITT__SARAH 2016")
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To: central_va

That’s just because your comments are so bone-jarringly stupid and offensive.


45 posted on 04/08/2012 9:37:32 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: central_va

Oddly the peaceful rebels fired first at Ft. Sumter, and have been complaining about the violation of their peaceful intentions ever since.

151 years of whining.


46 posted on 04/08/2012 10:33:29 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Nailbiter

bfl


47 posted on 04/08/2012 10:39:15 AM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: central_va

And asserting it makes you an idiot. Wilson, responsible for much of the socialism of his day, was from the south.


48 posted on 04/08/2012 10:39:30 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker
And asserting it makes you an idiot. Wilson, responsible for much of the socialism of his day, was from the south.

Something went screwy in that boy's brain. He couldn't read until he was 10 years old. He could have been born anywhere you dolt. The PEOPLE of the south are the most rock ribbed conservatives in the country and to deny that relieves you of any credibility you had, which was none anyway, so no loss there.

49 posted on 04/08/2012 10:45:16 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

So Leave.
Get a passport. Let history forget that you were once our countryman.


50 posted on 04/08/2012 10:45:27 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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