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Trayvon Martin shooting: Shame on the NRA and its newest poster child, George Zimmerman (Blech!)
The New York Daily News ^ | April 13, 2012 | Mike Lupica

Posted on 04/13/2012 5:44:37 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Officially the National Rifle Association convention is not supposed to begin until Friday, at the America’s Center of St. Louis, Mo. But really the NRA convention began Thursday in a courtroom in Sanford, Fla., its keynote speech delivered by a man in a jail jumpsuit who barely said a word.

His name is George Zimmerman and he is not just the face of the NRA in this country, he is the face of gun laws built on the fears and paranoia of the gun lovers in the NRA, the ones who have made a mockery of the Second Amendment. His name is George Zimmerman and in all the big ways he is the darling of the NRA, which wants the whole country to shoot first and ask questions later.

And if an unarmed 17-year old kid ends up dead in the street, well, that’s just the cost of doing business.

Zimmerman: Another guy in America who should never have been allowed to carry a gun but sure had one the night he shot Trayvon Martin. A guy who finally got arrested for murder because a brave Florida prosecutor decided George Zimmerman wasn’t allowed to hide behind one of those Stand Your Ground laws that have become a better license to kill than James Bond ever had.

Mayor Bloomberg was talking about laws like that again yesterday, one day after delivering a speech in Washington that was the biggest and best speech any major American politician has ever given on the subject of guns.

“These laws are vigilantism masquerading as self-defense, and getting 25 states to pass them is one of the best con jobs the NRA’s leaders have ever pulled off,” Bloomberg said. “They don’t give a damn whether innocent people are shot and killed. And they don’t give a damn about the integrity of the American justice system. They want to create a nation where disputes are settled by guns instead of gavels, and where suspects are shot by civilians instead of arrested by police. These laws destabilize our justice system, they degrade our society, and they destroy innocent lives. We can’t be silent — and we can’t let them stand.”

And here is what Bloomberg said on Wednesday at the National Press Club, on the day when he and national African-American leaders announced a new partnership to reform or repeal shoot-first laws now on the books in Florida and 24 other states:

“The NRA’s leaders weren’t interested in public safety. They were interested in promoting a culture where people take the law into their own hands and face no consequences for it. Let’s call that by its real name: vigilantism.”

(VIDEO AT LINK)


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Is that the same Mayor Mike Bloomberg who claimed just the other day that he'd never heard of the $10,000 "dead or alive" bounty that the black panthers put on Mr. Zimmerman?
1 posted on 04/13/2012 5:44:47 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The moral of this sad debacle is that when the president and AG of a country are punk racist black thugs, a white hispanic cannot shoot a black punk thug in self defense and expect justice.

It’s like a Jew killing a nazi party member, and expecting a fair trial.


2 posted on 04/13/2012 5:48:50 PM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If the New York weenies think they will have any influence whatsoever on Arizona’s gun laws, I can give them a good deal on some oceanfront property in Ajo.


3 posted on 04/13/2012 5:49:50 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler ("If he ate a skittle you must vote acquittal." ©Jeff Chandler 2012, All rights reserved.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No I don’t think this is a cause the NRA should stand their ground with. There was some poor judgement on Zimmerman’s part. He didn’t do everything within his power to avoid this.


4 posted on 04/13/2012 5:51:10 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I looked at the link to try to find comments. I did not see any. Has anyone else seen comments there? Does the New York Daily News allow them?


5 posted on 04/13/2012 5:51:50 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Jeff Chandler

Hey, what’s that little A in my tagline?


6 posted on 04/13/2012 5:52:02 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (This place is nuts.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They hate self-defense. People who can defend themselves don’t depend on government as much.


7 posted on 04/13/2012 5:53:22 PM PDT by Hugin ("Most time a man'll tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear"--Open Range)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Florida has issued over 1 million carry permits since 1987 and we have a 40 year low in our crime rate. How’s your city’s stats compare Bloomberg?


8 posted on 04/13/2012 5:53:43 PM PDT by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Since you were obviously an eyewitness, you should call the Sanford police department ASAP and tell them what you saw!!


9 posted on 04/13/2012 5:55:18 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Zimmerman: Another guy in America who should never have been allowed to carry a gun but sure had one the night he shot Trayvon Martin.

And without a gun, we know Martin would have eventually quit slamming Zimmerman's head into the concrete?

Without a gun, Zimmerman may have actually died.

10 posted on 04/13/2012 6:03:12 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

” He didn’t do everything within his power to avoid this.”

There is so much misinformation on this case it is really impossible at present to make that judgement, but I guess if he was going to “do everything in his power” he would have just called 911 and gone home.


11 posted on 04/13/2012 6:03:18 PM PDT by Okieshooter
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He took a gun on neighborhood watch. He knew what he was up against. His record of scores of 911 calls attests to that.

Some sort of club would have been more appropriate. It is visible mostly non-lethal and would have been a visual deterrent. All he took was a concealed weapon. He didn’t want anyone to know he was armed.

That is the judgement angle.


12 posted on 04/13/2012 6:06:09 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

George Michael Zimmerman, born Oct. 5, 1983, registered as a Democrat in Seminole County, Fla., in August 2002, according to state voter registration documents.


13 posted on 04/13/2012 6:07:12 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: umgud

How much do you want to bet that that mumbling attorney for Trayvon’s parents would’ve used “Stand Your Ground” to defend little Trayvon if he’d killed Zimmerman on that sidewalk?


14 posted on 04/13/2012 6:07:47 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

HE WASN”T ON NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH!! He was on his way to the store! Maybe you should read up on this case before you pontificate on it. I suppose you think he said “f***ing c**n too?”


15 posted on 04/13/2012 6:11:06 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

“Some sort of club would have been more appropriate.”

Some sort of club? What sort of club can protect you from being blind sided, the club taken from you and you being beaten to death with your own “protection”?


16 posted on 04/13/2012 6:12:13 PM PDT by SolidRedState (I used to think bizarro world was a fiction.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
He didn’t do everything within his power to avoid this.<<<

when was the last time u got your ass kicked?...I think u need a good one!.....*G*

17 posted on 04/13/2012 6:16:31 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: M-cubed

That's me, but I still carry at times.

18 posted on 04/13/2012 6:21:16 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
Some sort of club would have been more appropriate<<<<

LMAO....judgment angle!!!

you wanna hope nobody iss packing when u intervene with your damn club!!!.......lol....U don't get it yet do ya!...u gotta quit smokin that shit in the barn!

19 posted on 04/13/2012 6:26:10 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

A CLUB??? Ok...I think I will hang on to my weapon of choice, and you golf with yours. Geez???


20 posted on 04/13/2012 6:26:28 PM PDT by JohnD9207 (Santorum...the only Conservative in the race.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Are they using a photo of Trayvon as an infant yet?
21 posted on 04/13/2012 6:28:43 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Over half of U.S. murders are of black people, and 90% of them are committed by other black people.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
That's Jorge Zimmerhombre to you, cabron!
22 posted on 04/13/2012 6:28:43 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Gorelings separated at birth?
23 posted on 04/13/2012 6:29:01 PM PDT by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

“he didn’t want anyone to know he was armed.”

If he carries a gun he is required by law to carry it concealed, but as well as knowing exactly what happend, you are also a mind reader.

It is even possible that he forgot he even had the gun on him. I carry a small gun similar to the Kel-Tec he had and occasionally I forget to leave it in the car when I go into the post office.

Florida is not a traditional open carry state.
Open Carry is lawful while engaged in, or going directly to and from, lawful Target Shooting, Hunting, Fishing, and Camping expeditions. FL Statutes 790.25(3)(h), (j), and (k)


24 posted on 04/13/2012 6:31:10 PM PDT by Okieshooter
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To: SolidRedState

Being blind sided the big IF. http://bcclist.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-path.jpg


25 posted on 04/13/2012 6:37:45 PM PDT by anglian
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I only carry 4-5 days a week.........

I leave it up to the punks to figure out what days....*W*


26 posted on 04/13/2012 6:38:50 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: marktwain
I looked at the link to try to find comments. I did not see any. Has anyone else seen comments there? Does the New York Daily News allow them?

Lupica is a coward, he doesn't allow any comments to his articles.

27 posted on 04/13/2012 6:40:40 PM PDT by Larry381 ("Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.")
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
He took a gun on neighborhood watch.

You need to read VERY VERY carefully my next sentence, you and all the panty-wetters on FR who are caterwauling about this:

Even though Neighborhood Watch is a damned Federal program, they have NO AUTHORITY to tell me what I can do in my own neighborhood.

That point aside, Zimmerman had EVERY RIGHT to carry a gun. Anywhere he wants. That is the core of the 2nd Amendment. Moreover, he got the state's concealed carry license.

Is this a freaking liberal debating society? Or am I actually having to defend the 2nd Amendment on FR!?

28 posted on 04/13/2012 6:41:55 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: MikeSteelBe
"a white hispanic cannot shoot a black punk thug in self defense and expect justice. "

What a bummer.

Even those old images of a baby face are completely at odds with the more recent pictures of that gold toothed, tattoo covered, self described 'No Limit Ni**a' Gangsta-Wanna-be, black punk thug.


29 posted on 04/13/2012 6:41:55 PM PDT by anglian
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To: JohnD9207; Okieshooter; M-cubed

All persons of authority have something visual. Cops and soldiers have uniforms. To the kid(who appears to be new to the neighborhood) it appears he was being challenged buy a rube. A ball bat in Zimmerman’s hand likely would have mitigated the attack.

Nope, I’ll bet Zimmerman himself would tell you if he knew how this would turn out he would have done some things differently. Zimmerman wasn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer and he didn’t manage his risk. $hit happens.


30 posted on 04/13/2012 6:47:44 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
All persons of authority have something visual.

Why are you intentionally being contentious on this point?

HE WAS NOT ON NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH DUTY THAT NIGHT.

HE HAS A RIGHT TO CARRY CONCEALED ESPECIALLY IN HIS OWN NEIGHBORHOOD

Are you stupid or something?

31 posted on 04/13/2012 6:49:44 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Are you one of his neighbors? How do you know how “sharp” he is? He was a mortgage and insurance analyst and underwriter. Not exactly ditch-digging or burger-flipping.


32 posted on 04/13/2012 6:59:00 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: Larry381
Lupica is a coward, he doesn't allow any comments to his articles.

This says a great deal about how sure he is of his ability to defend his writing.

If someone does not allow comments, they are not worth reading.

33 posted on 04/13/2012 7:01:33 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: backwoods-engineer

Overtly challenging the kid while carrying concealed is a big NO NO. That’s where he went wrong in my opinion.

Did he carry while on official neighborhood watch duty?


34 posted on 04/13/2012 7:02:06 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

From his 911 log it looks as if he was frustrated, and maybe fed-up with his town’s law enforcement(or lack thereof).

There is some culpability here.

F’n MSM turned it into zoo. It’s too late for an equitable outcome now.


35 posted on 04/13/2012 7:16:11 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
its keynote speech delivered by a man in a jail jumpsuit who barely said a word
The left is busy piling on the public convictions (not charges, convictions) against this man.

This is the latest.

And this one is a pure thoughtcrime.

Of which he is guilty, by definition, without any chance of appeal or rebuttal, by definition.

This is pure Stalinism in action. This is 1984 as non-fiction.

This is not as bad as it gets, but it's on a fast track getting there.

36 posted on 04/13/2012 7:18:54 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: MikeSteelBe
It’s like a Jew killing a nazi party member, and expecting a fair trial.
Correct. And you have an excellent tagline.
37 posted on 04/13/2012 7:20:20 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: marktwain
If someone does not allow comments, they are not worth reading.
Yup.
38 posted on 04/13/2012 7:24:35 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
Do you realize that call on the night of Martin's death was not a 911 call, but rather the non-emergency number? And he called about 45 times in eight years or something along those lines. That's like once every 3 months. He's the captain of the federally organized neighborhood watch. That doesn't sound excessive, especially since there'd been eight break-ins recently. Other than what MSNBC has told you, do you know anything about this case?
39 posted on 04/13/2012 7:26:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

“A ball bat in Zimmerman’s hand likely would have mitigated the attack.”

“Overtly challenging the kid”

You can’t have it both ways. IMO if some one is carrying a ball bat that is overtly challenging. If they have a concealed weapon it is not an overt threat. Again you have no idea who challenged who. Hopefully we will find the truth in the court room.


40 posted on 04/13/2012 7:26:56 PM PDT by Okieshooter
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

41 posted on 04/13/2012 7:29:59 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
No I don’t think this is a cause the NRA should stand their ground with.

I don't think they are. It's only the loony left and ratbag right that are trying to associate them.

42 posted on 04/13/2012 7:32:49 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
lets see...u used a theoretical...let me try one......

a new black guy in the neighborhood.....6'2”...wearing a hoodie...walking between houses after dark and not on the sidewalk...nothing suspicious there!...

Black guy feels threatened and challenged by some local white rube watching and following him....That's normal! (its called being dissed in the “hood”)

Rube approaches with a stick....Black guy pulls his heat and greases the white rube....that's normal in the hood too...but so much for your theory of mitigating the attack...lol...

(PS...just a friendly word of advise in other matters.....Don't ever play any games of chance that requires a reasonable understanding of odds....I think you'd suck at ‘em!...*W*)

43 posted on 04/13/2012 7:39:34 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

How many times should he have his head pounded into the concrete before it would have been enough?


44 posted on 04/13/2012 8:11:54 PM PDT by ~Pandora
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“the ones who have made a mockery of the Second Amendment”

If this writer believed in the 2nd amendment before it was purportedly made a mockery of, or in any condition for that matter, I’ll eat my hat.


45 posted on 04/13/2012 8:41:08 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"How much do you want to bet that that mumbling attorney for Trayvon’s parents would’ve used “Stand Your Ground” to defend little Trayvon if he’d killed Zimmerman on that sidewalk?"

I wouldn't touch that bet. He might still use it to justify him attacking GZ.

Did you see his face when Treyvon's mom said it was probably an accident on the Today show? Hilarious!

46 posted on 04/13/2012 8:41:20 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Let’s call that by its real name: vigilantism.”

If you want to call self-defense under limited circumstances vigilantism, fine, I believe in vigilantism. Better a nation of vigilantes than a nation waiting around for the cops to save them. You’ll wait yourself into the grave.


47 posted on 04/13/2012 8:43:49 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

“All he took was a concealed weapon. He didn’t want anyone to know he was armed.”

Uh, yeah, that’s what “conceal and carry” means. Surely open carry has greater deterrent effect, but what are you saying? That anyone who doesn’t brandish their gun isn’t doing everything in their power to avoid being assaulted? That it’s somehow okay to beat up on people who aren’t carrying visible weapons? I really don’t get it.


48 posted on 04/13/2012 8:49:45 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

http://www.floridafirearmslaw.com/Improper-Exhibition-Firearm-Weapon.html

Zimmerman could have been charged for `brandishing’ a firearm, if he had been waving it around.
The story I’ve read is he didn’t pull it until Martin attacked him.
Moral? If you don’t want to get shot, don’t attack guys smaller than you because you consider yourself a `No_limit_nigga.’


49 posted on 04/13/2012 8:58:25 PM PDT by tumblindice (Our new, happy lives.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

“A ball bat in Zimmerman’s hand likely would have mitigated the attack.”

People being down on him for provocative following I can understand. It’s plain wrong, but I understand why people might come to that conclusion. As for your loopiness, I can’t understand where you’re coming from. Zimmerman should have been wielding a bat? He invited attack by lack of implied threat? I’ve got it: how about after 6pm it’s mandatory for all citizens wishing to walk the streets to carry a locked and loaded shotgun at average eye level. That should cut down on beatings, though possibly shotgun-related deaths will shoot up.


50 posted on 04/13/2012 8:58:27 PM PDT by Tublecane
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