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The Tribune's View: Zimmerman, Standing his ground
The Columbia Daily Tribune ^ | April 16, 2012 | Henry J. Waters III, Editor and Publisher Emeritus

Posted on 04/16/2012 12:33:52 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The state of Florida has charged neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman with second-degree murder for shooting 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman will defend himself by claiming Florida law allowed him to "stand his ground" against Martin's threatening behavior.

Evidence of what really happened is scant. Martin is dead, and no eye witnesses saw the encounter. A 911 recording casts doubt on Zimmerman's account, but the Florida law will make it hard to get a conviction.

It's hard to believe under the circumstances that a large armed adult had to shoot an unarmed teenager in self-defense, but the extra layer of justification provided by the ridiculous "stand your ground" law invites this sort of mayhem.

The law, passed at the behest of the National Rifle Association and other gun-rights promoters, gives people the broad right to use deadly force without having to retreat from a fight. It gives a decided edge to someone like Zimmerman, who hauls out a gun and eliminates an adversary. In defense, he need only show "by a preponderance of evidence" he was acting in self-defense to get a judge or court to deny a second-degree murder conviction.

Many observers think prosecutors made this relatively tough charge expecting it to fail, moving the onus to the court.

The basic culprit in this and similar cases is the law itself. Unless indisputable video or eyewitness evidence exists, proving self-defense is easy. Martin and Zimmerman did meet face to face. Who is to say which one was trying to "stand his ground?" Even without anything beyond the evidence at hand, a reasonable person would conclude the big, adult neighborhood watchman confronted the teenager.

That this is a "white on black" killing injects a toxic racial overtone. If Zimmerman walks, the surrounding black population might erupt; but regardless of race, the law is misbegotten. The only justifiable defense in such cases is "self-defense" without the legal encouragement for deadly force. Since hardly ever will evidence to the contrary clearly exist, shooters are almost always assured of protection under the law.

In a perverse sense, it's too bad the black kid was the victim instead of the shooter. If the killing had been black on white, the white public might be more eager to recognize the paucity of the "stand your ground" law, a sad but true indication of continuing racial bias.

In an earlier day when white vigilantes threatened black people, nobody proposed a "stand your ground law." Today the law tends to cast the likes of Trayvon Martin as a predator in an interracial encounter. If the killing had been black on black, would the "stand your ground" law be in play?


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KEYWORDS: banglist; georgezimmerman; lmm; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: Noob1999

Good catch, could also be a relative of Henry Waxman


21 posted on 04/16/2012 1:09:48 PM PDT by Paratrooper
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To: zeestephen
Did you mean, “Unjustly Accused.”

Unjustly accused.

22 posted on 04/16/2012 1:12:55 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This article deserves a barf alert.


23 posted on 04/16/2012 1:13:11 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
And did you get that he wishes that Mr. Zimmerman were the one who was dead?

Well, yeah. FTA:

... it's too bad the black kid was the victim instead of the shooter.

24 posted on 04/16/2012 1:13:30 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (The only flaw is that America doesn't recognize Cyber's omniscience. -- sergeantdave)
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To: Noob1999; onyx; maggief; STARWISE; Liz; MinuteGal
Hey, isn’t the guy in the foreground of the picture the Florida chad counter from 11 years ago???

He sure looks similar. Any one got the original picture to compare?

25 posted on 04/16/2012 1:14:14 PM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: marktwain

Did you notice it’s in backroom?


26 posted on 04/16/2012 1:17:53 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: MichaelCorleone

“The Race” threw him under the bus < 1 week after the story broke.


27 posted on 04/16/2012 1:18:35 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (The only flaw is that America doesn't recognize Cyber's omniscience. -- sergeantdave)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He’s sounds like a lib-dem *turd polisher*...

http://www.columbiatribune.com/staff/hank-waters-editor-and-publisher/

...cranking-out 1-2-3 “editorials”/day, for-pay:

http://www.columbiatribune.com/staff/hank-waters-editor-and-publisher/stories/


28 posted on 04/16/2012 1:19:18 PM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: who knows what evil?

I’m ashamed of our ‘leader’ who gave his nod of approval for injustice to proceed by his first coming out and adopting trayvon DESPITER the FACTS that were coming otu at the time showing trayvon was NOT the sweet little angel the media was tryign to falsley make him out to be, and hten later when our ‘deaqr leader’ refused to weigh in on the case pretendign to ‘be above it aqll’ AFTER he had already set the raqcist injustice in motion!!!


29 posted on 04/16/2012 1:23:05 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop
I’m ashamed of our ‘leader’ who gave his nod of approval for injustice to proceed by his first coming out and adopting trayvon DESPITER the FACTS that were coming otu at the time showing trayvon was NOT the sweet little angel the media was tryign to falsley make him out to be, and hten later when our ‘deaqr leader’ refused to weigh in on the case pretendign to ‘be above it aqll’ AFTER he had already set the raqcist injustice in motion!!!

Amen.

30 posted on 04/16/2012 1:26:32 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: madison10

They are not and that is the plan, From start to finish it will be a kangeroo court.


31 posted on 04/16/2012 1:30:55 PM PDT by sport
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The basic culprit in this and similar cases is the law itself.”

Trayvon is the only culprit in this case. And he paid dearly for his attack on George.

Kind of hard to retreat when you are on your back being beaten to death.

The other culprit in this case is Mr. Waters, and other like him, who are murdering the truth with this type of screed.

We are all Zimmerman. Long live Zimmerman!


32 posted on 04/16/2012 1:32:45 PM PDT by TheDon (The Democrat Party, the party of the KKK (tm))
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To: who knows what evil?

Gotcha—and I agree!


33 posted on 04/16/2012 1:40:12 PM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: sport

34 posted on 04/16/2012 1:41:52 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
a reasonable person would conclude the big, adult neighborhood watchman confronted the teenager.

Color me unreasonable. Martin had height and being on the football team to Zimmerman's weight so that's a wash. If Martin had headed straight home rather than backtracking to confront Zimmerman with "You got a problem? Well, now you do" as he punched him in the nose and proceeded to pound the sidewalk with his head, he might be alive today.

35 posted on 04/16/2012 1:47:11 PM PDT by bgill
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To: hoosiermama
"Hey, isn't the guy in the foreground the Florida chad counter from 11 years ago?"

The glasses, watch and hairline may be the same....but does this guy have the bug-eyes of that famous counting judge?

I dunno....he could have been a central Florda volunteer who assisted the Broward (Dade?) county election officials to help out with the tallying in the Gore recount fiasco.

The original photo is on an FR thread titled "Kerry: I'll Fight for Each Fla Vote". I don't know how to post a link here. Maybe someone can bring that old thread up and post the pic here.

Leni

36 posted on 04/16/2012 1:49:53 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: basil

Zimmerman stands in chains while Jon Corzine walks around free as a bird.


37 posted on 04/16/2012 1:58:10 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Have the toxicology reports come out yet? The reason I ask is that anyone who is in touch with the real world would know that certain drugs make a person agressive, resistant to pain and able to exert much great strength than if they were clean - for instance, in the Rodney King incident, I doubt somewhat that an individual NOT on drugs could have sustained that many tazer hits and kept battling.

I hasten to add there is no evidence thus far that Trayvon was taking drugs - but before we assume that Zimmermann had a strength advantage, we might just want to wait for the toxicology reports. Conversely, if Zimmermann was high on something it could explain why he would "stalk" and "attack" a teenager - which some allege, and which appears to make liittle sense.

That's why, silly me, I like evidence first, judgement after.

38 posted on 04/16/2012 2:04:34 PM PDT by In Maryland (Liberal logic - the ultimate oxymoron!)
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To: who knows what evil?
Zimmerman stands in chains while Jon Corzine walks around free as a bird.

Well yea, duh. You can't be surprised when a nation becomes corrupted from the Prez down to the janitor.

39 posted on 04/16/2012 2:08:14 PM PDT by Digger (If RINO is your selection then failure is your election)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sent to editor@columbiatribune.com :

“Henry J Waters III is a complete fucking moron. Either that or a race baiting far left POS. I’m not sure which. That may be the most disgusting one sided and patently false account of the Zimmerman/Martin shooting I’ve seen yet. You should be ashamed of yourselves but I suspect you’re actually proud.”


40 posted on 04/16/2012 2:16:29 PM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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