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Trayvon Martin and race: Humans can't make progress until we move past stereotypes and prejudice
The Syracuse Post-Standard ^ | April 30, 2012 | Cole Thorna, H.S. Sophomore

Posted on 04/30/2012 12:05:10 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Trayvon Martin did not deserve to die. Everyone has heard the story of the 17-year-old black kid who was walking home from a Florida gas station, when he was shot dead by a self-appointed neighborhood watchman. Zimmerman wasn’t arrested until recently, since he was protected by Florida’s "Stand Your Ground" law, which states that it’s all right to kill someone if they confront you. George Zimmerman claims that Martin attacked him.

I’m a white kid, so some may argue that the gravity of the situation is somewhat lost on me, but it’s not. I’m a firm believer in the fact that every person is considered a person, no matter what they look like, or where they’re from. I’ve lived in Syracuse for my entire life and thanks to the schools that I go to, I have lived with an unbelievable amount of diversity every single day.

There is no doubt in my mind that this was a racially motivated murder. If it had been a white girl, Zimmerman would’ve been in jail so fast -- although, he probably wouldn’t have shot in the first place. Even if Martin really did attack Zimmerman, the fact remains that Zimmerman followed the unarmed kid with a gun. If Martin had a gun, he would’ve been completely within his rights to kill Zimmerman, but, if he had, he probably would’ve been arrested and put in jail for years.

Racism like this needs to end. We need to move past these ideas of stereotypes and prejudice and coexist. Only then can we make true progression within the human race.


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KEYWORDS: georgezimmerman; headsfullofmush; newyork; racism; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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I'd be shocked if his mommy and daddy aren't Democrats, educators and/or union members. Guess they didn't do an announcement on the Nottingham High School PA system that Mr. Zimmerman is black. Probably too busy with the LBGT recruiting rally, Boycott Rush Limbaugh petitions and the Pro-Palestinian weapons fundraiser.
1 posted on 04/30/2012 12:05:14 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s just the usual “Guilt by Whiteness” that is a real popular narrative.


2 posted on 04/30/2012 12:08:16 AM PDT by Pride_of_the_Bluegrass
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If I ate a dog, it would look like Obama’s.


3 posted on 04/30/2012 12:09:49 AM PDT by digital-olive
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Truly sophomoric.


4 posted on 04/30/2012 12:15:32 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I’ve lived in Syracuse for my entire life and thanks to the schools that I go to, I have lived with an unbelievable amount of diversity every single day.

This kid is a Sophomore in High School - approximately 16 years old. Who the hell does a punk kid think he is telling others that he is superior to them? He declares Zimmerman "guilty of murder" without knowing any of the facts. The newspaper then publishes this nonsense...

I wouldn't be surprised if this was written by his idiot parents.

5 posted on 04/30/2012 12:22:26 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Greed + Envy = Liberalism)
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To: aquila48

“There is no doubt in my mind that this was a racially motivated murder.”

Student statements like that, easily refuted by a Google search, are why decisions are made by adults, not uninformed products of the public school collective.


6 posted on 04/30/2012 12:24:03 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How about these stereotypes:

Whites are violent and don’t like black people.

Or how about:

Black people are all innocent and just set up by evil white people.

How about those racial stereotypes?


7 posted on 04/30/2012 12:25:00 AM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Think of the modern Public school as a smaller version of Hollywood where people lower on the social ladder prostrate their integrity for the cause. Because that’s exactly how it works.

This kid has been convinced by PC teachers/teaching that the lib line is Gospel and any deviance will get him shunned. In fact, think Stockholm Syndrome. He now totally identifies with, and supports, the very people brainwashing him.

Should he ever miraculously have a moment of clarity and express it, he knows he will become an outcast. Therefor he abandons what he believes is right to get along and in fact, be praised by his educational oppressors. It’s the same story history has shown a thousand times and the result is predictable.

Someday this kid will be president.


8 posted on 04/30/2012 12:31:55 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“I’d be shocked if his mommy and daddy aren’t Democrats, educators and/or union members.”

Actually, from what I’ve seen of them, they seem to be decent people who’ve lost their son.

I can understand why they are upset.

What I don’t like is the race baiters who are using them.

However, your source is...

“Cole Thorna, H.S. Sophomore”

A high school sophomore?


9 posted on 04/30/2012 12:34:19 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We are all Africans.


10 posted on 04/30/2012 12:34:49 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (BO Threat Stream: http://blogsofwar.com/threatstream/index_barack_obama.html)
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To: dixiechick2000

I was talking about Master Thorna’s parents, not the late Trayvon Martin’s.


11 posted on 04/30/2012 12:36:13 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

“We are all Africans.”

That’s true, but we aren’t all brown. At least, those of us who don’t tan aren’t brown. ;o)


12 posted on 04/30/2012 12:36:42 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thank you for the clarification. ;o)


13 posted on 04/30/2012 12:37:17 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
If you believe a family named Leakey. I, personally, have a hard time believing someone named Leakey, although they could make a fortune shilling for Depends, basement rejuvenation or a rain gutter company.
14 posted on 04/30/2012 12:39:04 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
>Trayvon Martin did not deserve to die.

Did George Z?

Should he have let Trayvon spill his brains?

15 posted on 04/30/2012 12:39:04 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: dixiechick2000

My wife, a redhead of Irish/German decent, was porcelain white...except for the freckles...which tanned darkly under the glare of a 10 watt light bulb. No sun required...

Strangely, she got very upset at the nickname “Spot”.

I learned a harsh lesson that day, I assure you ;)


16 posted on 04/30/2012 12:41:50 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Too bad she plagiarized most of the first paragraph from a recent article which was a thread here on FR.


17 posted on 04/30/2012 12:47:43 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If brainwashing were a criteria upon which schools were graded and ranked, US public schools would hold uncontested first place.


18 posted on 04/30/2012 12:47:45 AM PDT by monocle
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Cole Thorna should do some research. He should find a strange neighborhood that has a neighborhood watch, and then walk around in a hoody to see if people start to follow him.


19 posted on 04/30/2012 12:51:12 AM PDT by donna (...gay couples raising kids. That's the American way... -Mitt Romney)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The title of this article needs to change “humans” to “liberals” and “we” to “they”.


20 posted on 04/30/2012 12:54:44 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Some day our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: UCANSEE2

Hahahaha! I believe that’s a male of our species.


21 posted on 04/30/2012 12:56:41 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
when he was shot dead by a self-appointed neighborhood watchman

Sorry kid, but when you make false assertions right at the beginning of your screed that support your own stereotypes & prejudices, you loose the right to be taken seriously ...

22 posted on 04/30/2012 12:57:58 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Shakira wouldn't LIE...?!
23 posted on 04/30/2012 1:09:14 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (BO Threat Stream: http://blogsofwar.com/threatstream/index_barack_obama.html)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Comnment from TSP-S:

[”Junior, what if this had been a black on black crime? It would have been ok right? I mean we have blacks killing each other in droves every night in all the major cities. Where are Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton on all those murders? Or don’t they count? I imagine you live a nice sheltered life in a middle class home with parents that have done a nice job of sheltering you from the real world. that’s ok but it’s time you got exposed to how brutally savage some people are in their everyday lives. Get out a bit, take a walk thru one of the slums in your city and lets see how long you survive.”]


24 posted on 04/30/2012 1:15:14 AM PDT by Sea Parrot (Nations are only truly great when it's people are struggling against all odds, growing and expanding)
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To: digital-olive

Good one, consider it stolen for free use.


25 posted on 04/30/2012 1:16:27 AM PDT by Sea Parrot (Nations are only truly great when it's people are struggling against all odds, growing and expanding)
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To: Cowboy Bob

In pic at link, he looks like a Alfred E. Neuman clone.


26 posted on 04/30/2012 1:19:57 AM PDT by Sea Parrot (Nations are only truly great when it's people are struggling against all odds, growing and expanding)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I seem to remember there was a ton of ‘junk’ like this out there when the Duke Lacrosse team case was the racial poster child of the moment. Didn’t some of the faculty at Duke take out an ad about the incident, jumping to conclusions while featuring themselves as tolerant progressives? Did they subsequently take out an ad to apologize to the Lacrosse team?


27 posted on 04/30/2012 1:26:58 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: dixiechick2000

Uh, reread the post, tis not Trayvon’s parents referred to, but the 16 year old dork’s


28 posted on 04/30/2012 1:27:14 AM PDT by Sea Parrot (Nations are only truly great when it's people are struggling against all odds, growing and expanding)
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To: digital-olive

guffaw!


29 posted on 04/30/2012 1:28:44 AM PDT by Semper Mark (Oh. Who's being naive, Kay?)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Shirley you jest!


30 posted on 04/30/2012 1:45:58 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Given the facts I know of the case, If the roles were reversed and a black neighborhood watch captain had to shoot a Hispanic man who was beating him I would say there is no case against the shooter.

I know in my heart that that is what I would say. I always judge the facts, I never let something so trivial as race enter into the equation.

I suppose this makes me odd, I’m so happy to be surrounded by so many similarly afflicted individuals on this forum. :-)


31 posted on 04/30/2012 1:46:39 AM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: Norm Lenhart
Therefor he abandons what he believes is right to get along and in fact, be praised by his educational oppressors. It’s the same story history has shown a thousand times and the result is predictable.

I'm beginning to get a feel for what a rare critter I was at that age. To me, it was more important to be right--and it still is.

I can't begin to describe the ridicule and criticism I have endured over the years for being right.

It isn't easy, and it's even harder sometimes to not rub people's faces in it when you are proven that way.

But when the day is done, it is worth enduring it, and those who will graciously admit they were wrong can become allies in the future.

32 posted on 04/30/2012 1:56:52 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Shirley you jest!”

Yeah, Shirley’s pretty funny..


33 posted on 04/30/2012 2:09:41 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Where was the BARF alert!


34 posted on 04/30/2012 2:23:50 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Shirley would be a better president. She actually knew how to run a hamburger joint.


35 posted on 04/30/2012 2:25:02 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: bjorn14

Wasn’t room for it after that lo-o-o-o-ng title.


36 posted on 04/30/2012 2:45:05 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Martin case is the 21st Century version of the Protocols of Zion whereas racist instigators (in this case the Left and their MSM stooges) create a lie and try to destroy another race using the lie as justification.
37 posted on 04/30/2012 2:58:53 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("Not all Democrats are Bums but all Bums are Democrats".)
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To: bjorn14
Where was the BARF alert!

The title itself is a BARF Alert ....

38 posted on 04/30/2012 3:01:16 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We need to move past these ideas of stereotypes and prejudice and coexist. Only then can we make true progression within the human race.

Stuff like artificial light, instant data communication, and space flight. Us neanderthals can only progress by being diverse and non-discriminatory.

39 posted on 04/30/2012 3:02:19 AM PDT by abishai
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Trayvon Martin did not deserve to die.”
Yes he did. Ans so would you under similar circumstances.


40 posted on 04/30/2012 3:06:34 AM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Yes, and no.

But Duke did write a (presumably quite large) settlement check to the 3 defendants.

That the Left learned nothing from the whole Duke incident is one of the lessons of the St. Trayvon / Jorge Zimmerman event.


41 posted on 04/30/2012 3:10:16 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Trayvon Martin case proves for the umpteenth time that Big Lib Media cannot be trusted to tell the truth. In fact, this is another classic case of the half-truth. Lib media tells the country half the story and purposefully omits the finer details. Gullible libs eagerly lap up any story having to do with “racist” whites gunning down “innocent” blacks with reckless abandon. This meme hasn’t changed for forty or fifty years. But there is an unlimited supply of naive libs i.e. saps who are more than willing to believe the lies.


42 posted on 04/30/2012 3:14:45 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
There is no doubt in my mind that this was a racially motivated murder.
All that is necessary to put paid to this line of “reasoning” is to ask if it would be possible for the same thing to happen if the neighborhood watch captain had been black, or if the interloper had been hispanic. And the answer is yes, provided that the interloper had contempt for the rights of the people of the neighborhood, and felt entitled to snoop around in the dark of night without arousing the curiosity of the residents. Since the author of this sophomoric piece denies any possibility that a white person could be in the right when becoming suspicious of a stranger who didn’t appear to have any reason for wandering around as Mr. Martin did, the writer himself manifest the very contempt for the local residents which seems - pending any substantive new evidence - to have been in Mr. Martin.

43 posted on 04/30/2012 3:27:12 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: GladesGuru

“approximately 16 years old”
I love it when 16 or 18 year olds write songs about eternal love.
Barely able to wipe their own butts and think they know about eternal anything.


44 posted on 04/30/2012 3:29:37 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
There is no doubt in my mind that this was a racially motivated murder.
There is no doubt in my mind that no one has ever taught you the slightest bit about critical thinking or criminal justice and I have very grave doubts that anyone ever will.
45 posted on 04/30/2012 3:31:08 AM PDT by samtheman ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ-4gnNz0vc)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
How precious!
46 posted on 04/30/2012 3:35:26 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Queeg Olbermann: Ahh, but the strawberries that's... that's where I had them.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It is obvious that this child does not have all the correct facts and has only read or listened to the earliest, very biased reports. It is also obvious that he does not know how to spell correctly or write a properly structured sentence.
47 posted on 04/30/2012 3:41:45 AM PDT by CitizenM (Obama studied our Constution out of hate for America, not because he loves it or our laws.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

little mind of mush


48 posted on 04/30/2012 3:47:37 AM PDT by kanawa
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Progress? PROGRESS?

This little boy hasn’t figured out that progress, American version, stopped in 1965 or so, and that we’ve been going backwards for more than 40 years.


49 posted on 04/30/2012 3:50:49 AM PDT by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
We are all Africans.

My European ancestors may be africans ‘way back’ but it is their Neanderthal influence (yeah Neanderthals are ‘back’ in...they found the DNA trail) is what gave my forefathers the ability to succeed in the frozen wastes of the ice ages and put man on the moon.

50 posted on 04/30/2012 3:56:34 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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