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Trust me: You believe in gun control (Agitprop Alert)
The Ironton Tribune ^ | May 24, 2012 | Tina Dupuy, editor of Crooks and Liars

Posted on 05/24/2012 2:03:43 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

If you ask the typical hyper-political gun owner (and I have … at Thanksgiving dinner), why it’s important to own a gun, they’ll bark about the Constitution. Yes, the Second Amendment: “The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms Shall Not Be Infringed!”

This of course is the slogan the National Rifle Association adopted in the 1970s. It was then that owning a gun became an absolute right endowed by God and the Constitution. A blessing passed down by our forefathers to obliterate game and protect our property.

The NRA was founded in 1870 and for its first hundred years it was for gun control and didn’t mention the Second Amendment as their cause.

Adam Winkler points out in his delicious book, “Gun Fight,” what we call the “wild west” had some of the strictest gun control laws we’ve seen as a nation. The shootout at the OK Corral took place, after all, because Wyatt Earp was trying to disarm the outlaw cowboys in accordance with a Tombstone ordinance.

The KKK was among other things, a gun-control organization. They were trying to keep guns out of the hands of newly freed slaves … but still gun control.

The part of the Second Amendment omitted from the NRA’s slogan is: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State…”

Yes, well regulated —it’s in the Constitution!

Now, to some, guns are as sacred as Scripture.

If you ask, again, this typical hyper-political gun owner why they need to stockpile assault rifles, you will get an answer much like Pat Flynn’s, a recent candidate for a Senate seat in Nebraska.

“Really, we have our guns to protect ourselves against the government, number one,” Flynn said in a debate right before the primary. “Hunting’s number two. But protecting us against our government is number one.”

Remember, Flynn was trying to land a job in the government (he didn’t win his party’s nomination, by the way).

The idea is that we have to be just as armed as our government in order to be safer or have more liberty (or something). The U.S. government has unmanned drones armed with supersonic laser-guided anti-armor Hellfire missiles, “bunker busters,” and nuclear weapons. Are far-right politicians saying we need civilians to have shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles “for protection?”

Of course they’re not. They actually do want limits on ownership.

And if you ask the most vehement gun rights advocate why gun owners shouldn’t have nuclear weapons, I’d bet you’d get the same answer as to why we don’t want every country to have the capability: “Because they could get into the wrong hands.”

So weapons-grade plutonium should be limited. But the ever-handy semi-auto Glock pistol with a 30-round high-capacity magazine is an absolute right?

A recent gun buyback drive in Los Angeles resulted in someone turning in a rocket launcher. Comforting.

So we’re not actually talking about limited vs. unlimited. We are talking about degrees of weapon ownership.

Guns fall into the wrong hands all the time. More guns and fewer requirements for ownership doesn’t curb this.

George Zimmerman was the wrong hands. Zimmerman, a Florida man now infamous for shooting an unarmed black teenager at close range after a 911 operator told him not to engage the alleged suspect and wait for police to arrive, is now being defended by said hyper-political gun owners.

There’s no reason a Neighborhood Watch captain should be patrolling his block with a criminal record and a pistol. Zimmerman was a catastrophe realized. Even in the wake of new evidence about this case, the fact remains if Zimmerman didn’t have a gun, 16-year-old Trayvon Martin would be alive.

The United States is number one in the world in civilian gun ownership. And since we’re not last in gun violence (we’re the 14th highest in deaths—way higher in just injuries) it’s safe to assume that increasing the number of guns doesn’t decrease the number of gun deaths.

Just like cutting taxes doesn’t increase revenue—making gun ownership unlimited doesn’t make us safer.

It’s a lie. A fairy tale of the gun lobby. Completely unsupported by data or logic. A falsehood.

So unless you think all Americans should get Daisy Cutters this Christmas—you believe in regulations as to who gets a weapon, what kind and where they can have it.

Gun control laws are not tyranny—as the family of Trayvon Martin can testify to—a de-regulated militia is.


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Please illuminate me on Mr. Zimmerman's "criminal record" if you will. I'll bet she doesn't know that he was on his way to the store, not on patrol, when he spotted young Mr. Trayvon Martin. And I thought Trayvon was 17, not 16. Lord, are they going to start showing his baby pictures?
1 posted on 05/24/2012 2:03:55 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Gun control laws are not tyranny—as the family of Trayvon Martin can testify to—a de-regulated militia is.

So ... for the moron author of this piece, the bottom line is workplace protection for violent criminals.

No sale.

Trayvon already got his justice. Delivered at 1300 FPS.

2 posted on 05/24/2012 2:06:33 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Another fanciful “Up is down” moment in the bizzarro leftists world.


3 posted on 05/24/2012 2:07:19 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I just bought my 8yr old daughter her first Daisy BB rifle. She will be taught well to do the same thing Zimmerman did when his head was being bashed in.


4 posted on 05/24/2012 2:09:37 PM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

She’s right, I believe in gun control. Anyone serving behind bars shouldn’t have a gun. Once their sentence is complete, all of their Rights should be restored. If we can’t trust someone with a gun, they shouldn’t be out of jail.

As for the rest of it, She’s full of BS.


5 posted on 05/24/2012 2:10:05 PM PDT by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

OBTW, as far as I can tell, “arms” in the Second Amendment includes nuclear weapons.


6 posted on 05/24/2012 2:11:37 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Even in the wake of new evidence about this case, the fact remains if Zimmerman didn’t have a gun, 16-year-old Trayvon Martin would be alive.

And Mr. Zimmerman quite probably would not be.

7 posted on 05/24/2012 2:14:21 PM PDT by Hoffer Rand (There ARE two Americas: "God's children" and the tax payers)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
So weapons-grade plutonium should be limited. But the ever-handy semi-auto Glock pistol with a 30-round high-capacity magazine is an absolute right?

Apples and oranges, Tina. Plutonium is poisonous and can kill without further manipulation. A Glock needs to be loaded, aimed, and fired.

I would like a Daisy Cutter for Christmas though. It would make a great new Years firework.

8 posted on 05/24/2012 2:15:39 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Don't take life too seriously; No one gets out alive.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Yes, well regulated —it’s in the Constitution!

"regulated" meaning "government facilitating the most effective use & application", such as the government making sure everyone had at minimum a certain level of equipment, knew who had 'em so they could be asked to bring 'em in a crisis, trained everyone to use 'em with great speed & accuracy in teams, etc.

Nothing like today's redefinition of "regulated" meaning "as closed to banned as we can get".

9 posted on 05/24/2012 2:15:56 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Cloud storage? Dropbox rocks! Sign up at http://db.tt/nQqWGd3 for 2GB free (and I get more too).)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“the fact remains if Zimmerman didn’t have a gun, 16-year-old Trayvon Martin would be alive.”

Yes, Trayvon would be alive, and Zimmerman dead, and none of us would have heard from either one of them.


10 posted on 05/24/2012 2:17:13 PM PDT by skinndogNN
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think maritime vessels should even be armed with large enough guns to stop pirates and possibly third world navies.


11 posted on 05/24/2012 2:20:38 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Even in the wake of new evidence about this case, the fact remains if Zimmerman didn’t have a gun, 16-year-old Trayvon Martin would be alive.

And Zimmerman would be dead or paralyzed: The preferred outcome of lefties everywhere.

12 posted on 05/24/2012 2:23:43 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Sarajevo
Plutonium is poisonous and can kill without further manipulation

You might want to research that some ... plutonium is both a chemical and radiological toxin, but many naturally occurring substances are vastly more toxic ... and in many cases, there are no particular legal restrictions on owning these substances.

13 posted on 05/24/2012 2:25:37 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Recommended reading for Ms Dupuy:

Why the Gun is Civilization

A Nation of Cowards


Pacifism: The Ultimate Immorality by Raymond Kraft

Last week, Jack and Jill Pacifisto were walking home through the park after dinner with friends, during which they had spent a few hours discussing the immorality of violence and war and their commitments to send more money to progressive activists over the next year. Suddenly, Tony Thug stepped out of the shadows and pointed a pistol at Jack and said, “Give me your wallet,” and, pointing the gun at Jill, “Your purse.”

“What?” asked Jack, incredulous, “Hey, we don’t want any trouble. We’re pacifists. We aren’t going to hurt you.”

“Not my problem,” said Tony, “Gimme your money.”

So Jack and Jill did, and then Tony said, “And now gimme your watches, rings, jewelry, everything worth anything.”

“Hey,” said Jill, “This is my wedding ring!”

And Tony said, “Not my problem.”

Jack and Jill handed over their wallet, and purse, and all their jewelry and Rolex watches, and then Tony shot them both twice in the chest and picked up the loot and stepped back into the shadows.

As Jill lay dying she whispered, “Jack? Why didn’t you fight back? Why didn’t you have a gun?” Those were her last words.

“I couldn’t,” whispered Jack. “I’m a pacifist.” Those were his last words.

A few days later, Bill Thaxton and his wife were walking home through the park after dinner, when Tony Thug stepped out of the shadows.

“Give me your wallet, your purse,” said Tony, pointing his gun first at Bill, and then at his wife. He did not know that Bill was an old lawman, and had been a Marine sniper when he was young, and was active in the Single Action Shooters Society and had a concealed-carry-permit. Tony assumed that the old man was just an old man with some money and a few credit cards in his wallet walking home from dinner.

“Sorry, friend, I don’t like guns, and I don’t want any trouble,” said Bill.

“Not my problem,” said Tony, “Gimme your wallet, your purse,” he said, waving the gun at Bill’s wife, “Rings, watches, everything.”

“And what if I don’t?” asked Bill.

“I’ll shoot you both. Her first,” said Tony, pointing his gun at Bill’s wife again.

“Well,” said Bill, “Okay, honey, do what he says.”

She tossed down her purse. Bill reached slowly for his left lapel with his right hand and then, like lightning, did a cross-draw with his left and came out blazing with his trusty little 9, nailing Tony three times.

As he lay on the sidewalk dying, Tony Thug was heard to mutter, “Damn, I shoulda stuck with the pacifists . . .”

An acquaintance wrote me last week to tell me proudly how he had been a pacifist since the ‘60s. His letter set me thinking about pacifism, which is the ultimate and vilest form of immorality.

If you are Hitler, or Saddam, or Osama, or Ahmadinejad, your desire to kill those you dislike is at least honest and open. You wear you hate on your sleeve and we know who and what you are. But the Pacifist wears his refusal to resist evil as if it were a badge of honor, and claims it as a sign of his or her absolute moral superiority. The Hitlers and Osamas are at least honest about who they are, the Pacifist is not. Not even to himself.

The German Pastor Martin Niemoller wrote a poem circa 1946 about the quiescence of German intellectuals in the face of the Nazi rise to power that has become famous. Translated, it reads:

When they locked up the social democrats,

I remained silent,

I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists

I did not speak out,

I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews

I did not speak out,

I was not a Jew.

When they came for me

there was no one left to speak out.

The Pacifist says something like this, but, unlike Niemoller, without apology. He says:

When you come for my allies

I will not fight you,

for I am a Pacifist.

When you come for my countrymen

I will not fight you,

for I am a Pacifist.

When you come for my neighbor,

I will not fight you,

for I am a Pacifist.

When you come for my mother,

my father, my brother,

my sister, I will not fight you,

for I am a Pacifist.

When you come for my wife,

my husband, my son,

my daughter, I will not fight you,

for I am a Pacifist.

When you come for me,

I will not fight you,

for I am a Pacifist.

The Pacifist claims that he (or she) is too good to fight against evil, and this is the catastrophic intellectual and moral failure of Pacifism. In the guise of being too good to oppose evil, the Pacifist invokes the ultimate immorality by aiding and abetting and encouraging evil, on the pretext of being too pure, too wise, too sophisticated to fight evil, thereby turning the pretense of goodness and purity into an invocation and license for evil to act without opposition.

The moral stance of the Pacifist is, unwittingly perhaps, homicidal, genocidal, fratricidal, suicidal. The Pacifist says, in effect: “There is nothing good worth fighting for. And there is nothing so evil worth fighting against.”

The Pacifist is willing to give evil free reign, because he or she thinks or feels that fighting against evil is even worse than evil itself . . . an intellectual and moral equivocation of monumentally staggering proportions. In order to be a Pacifist, one must hold that Nazism or Islamism or Communism or any other puritanical totalitarian ideology that seeks to slaughter or oppress all the Jews or all of any other race or tribe is no worse, is not morally inferior, to the existence of Jews and Judaism, or whatever other race or tribe is the whipping boy of the day.

To be a Pacifist, one must hold that acquiescence to a Jihad that seeks to destroy Western Civilization is no worse than Western Civilization, even though the Jihad seeks to extinguish intellectual freedom, religious freedom, political freedom, and ultimately even the freedom to be a Pacifist.

As the English philosopher Edmund Burke said, “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” The Pacifist replies, “I am so good that I will do nothing, I will hurt no one, even if that means that good will be destroyed and evil will win. I am so peaceful that I will not discriminate between the goodness of good and the badness of evil, certainly not with enough conviction to take up arms, literally or figuratively, against the triumph of evil over good, of totalitarianism over freedom, of barbarianism over civilization.”

And so the Pacifist, perhaps unthinkingly, unwittingly, mistakenly, is deeply mired in his intellectual confusion, but surely and unequivocally, the epitome of evil itself, For the Pacifist devoutly believes that by refusing to fight against evil he is affirming that he is good, too good and pure to oppose evil, too good and pure to fight evil, to good and pure to kill evil. But in the end, he is the enabler without whom the triumph of evil would not be possible.



14 posted on 05/24/2012 2:27:51 PM PDT by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: Sarajevo
I would like a Daisy Cutter for Christmas though.

1) All Daisy Cutters are always loaded.

2) Do not arm your Daisy Cutter within blast radius of anything you aren't willing to destroy.

3) Keep your finger off the pickle until your bomb sight is on the target.

4) Know what your target is, and what lies within blast radius of it.

15 posted on 05/24/2012 2:29:14 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
it’s safe to assume that increasing the number of guns doesn’t decrease the number of gun deaths

You don't carry a gun to decrease the number of gun deaths, you carry it to decrease the number of beating deaths.

16 posted on 05/24/2012 2:31:04 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This liberal author does not understand the difference between “arms” and “ordnance” And out of that ignorance, attempts to build a strawman argument. It is really rather sad.
17 posted on 05/24/2012 2:35:32 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thanks for the enemy intel. One thing they NEVER explain is the connection between the “keep & bear” part with the “well regulated militia. If what they are suggesting is true, then when I was in the National Guard I would have been able to keep & bear my M-16, right? No way. It was kept in the arms room when I wasn’t there. And when I was, I had to have a good reason to check it out.


18 posted on 05/24/2012 2:43:33 PM PDT by Strider2
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To: BCR #226
She’s right, I believe in gun control. Anyone serving behind bars shouldn’t have a gun. Once their sentence is complete, all of their Rights should be restored. If we can’t trust someone with a gun, they shouldn’t be out of jail.

Same here. This is especially true in a nation where we have an ever expanding definition of criminal acts.

The Constitution of the State of Michigan of 1963 Article 1, Section 6 reads:

Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.

A while back I found some old prison records from the civil war era. It listed items returned to inmates upon release. Among those were guns, knives, clubs etc.
19 posted on 05/24/2012 2:46:00 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: tacticalogic

A while back I read a whiny liberal story about the skyrocketing rate of defensive shootings in Detroit.

Personally I think its some of the best news I’ve heard out of the city in years.


20 posted on 05/24/2012 2:49:52 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I have been arguing with liberals all day today. They think what they think for purely emotional reasons only. They won't let you have a moral argument, and once you give that ground up to them, they keep changing the subject until they've got you.

I'm done talking with commies about gun control. When big government comes to take mine -- and they must eventually to reach their goals -- I will go out in a hail of bullets, but not before I send several of them to hell.

Until then, I am just going to stop arguing with liberals about guns.

21 posted on 05/24/2012 2:50:40 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The fact is that if Zimmerman had not had a gun, attempted murderer Trayvon would still be alive. And Zimmerman would be dead.


22 posted on 05/24/2012 2:53:50 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain ... USS Iowa)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Adam Winkler points out in his delicious book, “Gun Fight,” what we call the “wild west” had some of the strictest gun control laws we’ve seen as a nation. The shootout at the OK Corral took place, after all, because Wyatt Earp was trying to disarm the outlaw cowboys in accordance with a Tombstone ordinance.

Arizona didn't become a state until 1912. The Constitution does not necessarily apply to territories. The author is an ass.

23 posted on 05/24/2012 3:02:34 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (When we cease to be good we'll cease to be great. Be for Goode.)
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To: cripplecreek
A while back I read a whiny liberal story about the skyrocketing rate of defensive shootings in Detroit.

Some people just can't quite get the hang of that "Stand down and let the hoodies have your neighborhood" thing. Go figure.

24 posted on 05/24/2012 3:06:11 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Just like cutting taxes doesn’t increase revenue—making gun ownership unlimited doesn’t make us safer.

This is all I needed to read to know that this loon doesn't know what she's talking about.

25 posted on 05/24/2012 3:08:39 PM PDT by Snardius
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am not interested in discussing the subject with you, Tina. Come and take my guns, be the first one through the door, or STFU. ;-)


26 posted on 05/24/2012 3:09:49 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Sirius Lee
The shootout at the OK Corral took place, after all, because Wyatt Earp was trying to disarm the outlaw cowboys in accordance with a Tombstone ordinance.

Exactly, Tina! That attempt at gun control worked out real well didn't it?

27 posted on 05/24/2012 3:15:53 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: tacticalogic

Most of the Defense stories out of detroit are elderly blacks killing the hoods who prey on them.


28 posted on 05/24/2012 3:29:10 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It wasn’t until the late 1800’s that the government and courts began to really hammer on the rights of people. Until fairly recent times there has been no need to clarify that it was a Constitunional right, it was a given! People have become educated IDIOTS in recent history.


29 posted on 05/24/2012 3:56:16 PM PDT by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: ArmyTeach
"The fact is that if Zimmerman had not had a gun, attempted murderer Trayvon would still be alive. And Zimmerman would be dead."

And the race pimps and the media would have yawned at the killing of a "white guy" by yet another innocent black thug.

30 posted on 05/24/2012 4:02:13 PM PDT by boop (I hate hippies and dopeheads. Just hate them. ...Ernest Borgnine)
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To: ArrogantBustard

You’re taking all the fun out of it ;)


31 posted on 05/24/2012 4:05:37 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Don't take life too seriously; No one gets out alive.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The bullobama in this screed made me dizzy. Do you need a journalism degree to become this willfully ignorant?

The KKK was among other things, a gun-control organization. They were trying to keep guns out of the hands of newly freed slaves … but still gun control.

Yes, racist Democrats, but let's gloss over that. Would those newly freed slaves have been better or worse off if they had been able to be armed? Not to mention that the KKK wanted to disarm newly freed slaves for the same reason leftist still want to disarm those they would control.

A recent gun buyback drive in Los Angeles resulted in someone turning in a rocket launcher. Comforting.

Cite? Of course not.

There’s no reason a Neighborhood Watch captain should be patrolling his block with a criminal record and a pistol.

Which may be the reason he wasn't....

Zimmerman was a catastrophe realized. Even in the wake of new evidence about this case, the fact remains if Zimmerman didn’t have a gun, 16-year-old Trayvon Martin would be alive.

And Zimmerman likely wouldn't be alive.

The United States is number one in the world in civilian gun ownership. And since we’re not last in gun violence (we’re the 14th highest in deaths—way higher in just injuries) it’s safe to assume that increasing the number of guns doesn’t decrease the number of gun deaths.

Not so long as Holder People and other Democrats ignore laws against murder, robbery, burglary, carjacking and felonies in general. A good deal of those gun deaths occur in Democrat bastions with just the gun laws the author advocates. Many of the dead are disarmed and defenseless in the face of these criminal thugs.

Just like cutting taxes doesn’t increase revenue—...

Actually it does. But why would the author not be ignorant about that as well?

What a brain dead parrot.

32 posted on 05/24/2012 4:11:30 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Too late, lady.

The Supreme Court already ruled your view obsolete.

Sorry about your luck.

33 posted on 05/24/2012 4:20:03 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The so-called 'mainstream' media has gone from "biased" straight to "utterly surreal".)
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To: cripplecreek
A while back I found some old prison records from the civil war era. It listed items returned to inmates upon release. Among those were guns, knives, clubs etc.

I'd like to see that. Like in the movie "High Plains Drifter" when they let the bad guys out of prison, they handed them their gun belts back as they left the gates.

34 posted on 05/24/2012 4:21:03 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: ctdonath2

“regulated” meaning “government facilitating the most effective use & application”

In 1786, well-regulated meant well-trained. Town and State militias routinely met for drill and shooting practice.

This author is scary stupid!


35 posted on 05/24/2012 4:30:06 PM PDT by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
why gun owners shouldn’t have nuclear weapons

Does she really think a nuclear weapon is an "arm" that might be "borne"? What an idiot!

36 posted on 05/24/2012 4:30:52 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: MileHi

Tina is just resting.

37 posted on 05/24/2012 4:32:04 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Yes, well regulated —it’s in the Constitution!

Well regulated didn't mean banned nor goverment controlled.

It meant functional.
38 posted on 05/24/2012 4:40:53 PM PDT by RedMonqey (Men who will not suffer to self govern, will suffer under the governance of lesser men.)
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To: TigersEye

LOL Resting her brain. For years it would seem.

How about that dumb chick in Boulder? What was her deal? Drunk?


39 posted on 05/24/2012 4:43:52 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: MileHi
Speaking of Eastwood films, remember "Unforgiven"? Little Bill made sure that everyone turned in their guns at town's edge.

Wouldn't want "violence", you know.

40 posted on 05/24/2012 4:47:33 PM PDT by boop (I hate hippies and dopeheads. Just hate them. ...Ernest Borgnine)
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To: RedMonqey
It's been said before that the National Guard is NOT what the founders meant. Otherwise it would have been assembled prior to 1912.

Regulated does not mean controlled or banned. In 1780's language, it just means "armed".

41 posted on 05/24/2012 4:50:48 PM PDT by boop (I hate hippies and dopeheads. Just hate them. ...Ernest Borgnine)
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To: MileHi

I never heard a follow up but drunk or high was my guess. If she was truly lost she should have immediately stated her confusion and not moved another muscle. Maybe shine her flashlight in her own face to demonstrate some compliance and sincerity.


42 posted on 05/24/2012 4:53:47 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: boop
Little Bill was a corrupt Democrat. Perfect example.

Deifying his authority brought harsh retribution.

43 posted on 05/24/2012 4:54:15 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Sirius Lee
... the “wild west” had some of the strictest gun control laws..

The author is an ass.

Agreed

Utter BS.

Towns had ordinances about outsiders "carrying" guns into town(mostly because of drunken cowboys )Their guns were returned to them when they left...

Anyone who wanted a gun could buy and own a gun of their choice
44 posted on 05/24/2012 4:54:52 PM PDT by RedMonqey (Men who will not suffer to self govern, will suffer under the governance of lesser men.)
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To: MileHi
Deifying should be defying...
45 posted on 05/24/2012 4:56:36 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: TigersEye

Lucky to be alive. That hitch in her get-a-long will remind her not to be stupid for the rest of her life


46 posted on 05/24/2012 4:59:23 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: boop
It's been said before that the National Guard is NOT what the founders meant.

Agreed

Although Washington had a low opinion of the "unorganised" militas, they were instrumental in many battles that would have otherwise been lost.


47 posted on 05/24/2012 5:00:25 PM PDT by RedMonqey (Men who will not suffer to self govern, will suffer under the governance of lesser men.)
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To: MileHi
Like in the movie "High Plains Drifter" when they let the bad guys out of prison, they handed them their gun belts back as they left the gates.

But not their horses....(chuckle)
48 posted on 05/24/2012 5:04:27 PM PDT by RedMonqey (Men who will not suffer to self govern, will suffer under the governance of lesser men.)
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To: RedMonqey

Paid for their own grub... {:0)


49 posted on 05/24/2012 5:07:10 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html?_r=1


50 posted on 05/24/2012 6:06:41 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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