Posted on 05/27/2012 10:01:20 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
The blame-the-victim treatment isn't right in sexual assault. It's not right in killings, either.
Consider this scenario: Aroused by an attractive teenager in a halter top walking through his neighborhood, a Sanford, Fla., man was instructed to stand down by police, but instead he provoked an encounter that ended tragically with the assault and rape of the 17-year-old girl.
After showing authorities scratches on his face and arms that he claimed were inflicted by the rape victim, the pursuer was promptly released by the local police chief that night after discussions with the detained man's father, who is a retired judge.
Sound familiar?
This scenario, minus the complicating race factor, approximates the rough outline of what we've learned about George Zimmerman's encounter with Trayvon Martin on Feb. 26. Contrary to distracting media accounts, the "Stand your ground" law is clearly not applicable to Zimmerman here because he ignored police instructions and advanced on Trayvon's ground. The ordinance may well apply instead to the victim's reaction to a man moving toward him with a Kel-Tec PF-9 9 mm pistol.
Though the hypothetical rape tragedy described here is not lethal, as it was in Trayvon's case, the "arousal" motive is similar, the execution approximate; and the behavior by officials should be no less troubling to those concerned about judicial fairness in a civil society.
Cops in both the real and hypothetical cases gave the aroused pursuer the benefit of every doubt and, in the Trayvon incident, initially dismissed the victim's defenders as frivolous petitioners, lacking the attacker's connection to city hall and police headquarters....
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I have no idea who Les Payne is, but he sounds nuts.
Mr. Payne, don’t quit your night job.
I’d have to think long and hard before I came up with that analogy. Even then, I’m not sure that my mind works that way.
Tried to follow but brain can’t get there.
Trialkby press.hat about the due process rights of the “accused” and the presumption of innocence?
This is more propaganda fodder to enflame the so called “downtroden” into the riot stage for Obama’s anarchists.
Of course this is a well known tactic, used by other fascists out of history. Look no further than the Dreyfus case in France, or at the work of Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler. There is no difference in what they did to destroy the rule of law and subsitute it for totalitarian values, and what the Obama movement is doing today.Joseph Goebbels is their primer.
A prelude to race riots and possible civil war.
Welcome to the prelude to the United States of Zimbabwe.
Possibly one of the most vile pile of excerements I’ve read in a long time...
If Zimmerman was attempting rape, why would not ring the police. If the victim was a girl, Zimmerman would not be fearing for his life. If the victim was a girl, the girl would not approach Zimmerman if someone was stalking her
what if TM was carrying 2 blunts and a bunch of pot?
afraid he’d get caught, since he already has priors, TM decides to attack GZ, beat him up, and make his escape? after all, GZ is a hispanic male who is only 5’9” and TM is at least 6’2”... should be easy to kick GZ’s ass
sound familiar? it should. it’s how many crimes involving blacks and another race turn out
why=he
Huh?
There would be an analogy if Zimmerman had robbed Martin. Or if he had killed him for the thrill of it.
If the writer is going to play with that dubious thing the analogy he ought to practice with it a while before he takes it out in public.
The author neglects to mention the rash of burglaries by attractive teenagers in halter tops, which had plagued the neighborhood prior to the imagined rape.
Silly me. That’s how I thought the article was going when I clicked on the headline. It really is amazing what we are up against when I see the “logic” attempted in this article. Hard to imagine a world-view so skewed.
Perverted logic, man.
Oh, I get it! These stories you are finding tonight...they are all potential jurors! Right?
Bullshit! Where’s the barf bag warning?
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Being scratched doesn't excuse rape but it does give evidence of being attacked. |
Are we talking rape or rape-rape?
“If it was a girl who was victim ( armed ) and Trayvon was the rapist then the ending would be the same.”
Exactly, he intentionally confuses the victim with the assailant. He conveniently assumes that just because Trayvon was killed, he was the victim. All the evidence that has come out thus far seem to indicate that the opposite is true, i.e. that Trayvon was the assailant, and the fact that he was killed doesn’t morph him into a victim.
His analogy falls flat from the get go. From the point where he equates a harmless girl with a justifiably (based on earlier events in the neighborhood) suspicious character and then he compounds his error by changing Zimmerman from the defender to the assailant.
I tried to post, looks like they discourage debate.
It’s “a hundred and eighty degrees out of phase”.
Z is in a position analogous to a woman who has shot and killed an alleged assailant.
Debate? What’s there to debate? White Hispanic George “Skinhead” Zimmerman profiled, hunted down and executed Trayvon “10 year old choirboy” Martin, PERIOD! Just ask Big Al or Mumbling Ben.
What If Trayvon’s Case Had Been About Cannibalism?
aka Less Pain
This straw man is missing a hat.
That is the way i see it. Mr. Zimmerman is the one who was assaulted and he defended himself.
Lol
Imagine if you will Mr. Payne if let us say a black female was on neighborhood watch and saw an unfamiliar white person wearing a tea party shirt walking through the ‘hood and she called the police and said “I think we have a white boy lost in the hood actin’ suspicious.” The police dispatcher then advised her to hold tight but she followed anyway. The next thing you know, the white guy was seen on top of the black female violently bashing her head into the ground “MMA style” and she, by the grace of god had a concealed carry permit and exercised her right of self defense and she fired one round and close range (after screaming for help) killing the white person.
See, Mr. Payne, it is easy to play this game.
Contrary to distracting media accounts, the “Stand your ground” law is clearly not applicable to Zimmerman here because he ignored police instructions and advanced on Trayvon’s ground. The ordinance may well apply instead to the victim’s reaction to a man moving toward him with a Kel-Tec PF-9 9 mm pistol.
Well! Talk about twisting the known facts in the case. But I can be pretty well assured that the real facts are indeed the opposite of everything that is in this sentence.
And the part about moving toward Martin with a pistol. It is subtly presented here as Zimmerman holding the pistol in his hand instead of concealed in it’s holster.
The writer must have done very well in his creative writing/journalism course.
You know these folks, trying to twist things to come up with a "logical" reason why geaorge is guilty, are just sick at heart when they see how much twisting they have to do to come up with something that makes no sense. They all know George was defending himself, Trayvon took actions that got him killed, and they keep on wishing it wasn't so - it makes them see a bit of reality through the sickness and they can't stand reality.
Trayvon’s ground? What?
Point is Trayvon was the major source of reasonable suspicion, probable cause and interference throughout this ordeal.
A 911 operator NOT on the scene is not the final manager and decider or responsible “REMOTE CONTROL” operator of what was going on.
This whole case is completely stupid except that self defense laws are being under attack because no one should investigate or be in the know than the government, according to these loonies.
There is something called balance of powers and citizens arrest for a good reason.
This should be a civil issue between government and their hiring system, not a criminal issue.
However, a criminal bullying inquiry is needed in order to create the shakedown.
This is insane.
Why would the aroused man have been on the phone with the cops?
You have violated posting protocol by not placing a barf alert in parentheses after the title.
Now I have to clean off my keyboard.
To be commensurate with this analogy, Trayvon would have to had provided oral and then mounted Zimmerman. Only after the money shot would Trayvon have claimed rape.
The entire premise is stinking bovine excrement.
Well Aileen Carol Wuornos got the needle.
That makes Trayvon the instigator.
All the evidence points toward Trayvon being the aggressor
Wow! Is he talking about the 10 year old Trayvon? Certainly, he is not talking about the thug-in-training Trayvon.
There would have been less evidence...
Formerly of Newsday, Payne began writing his column in 1981. The former Associate Editor was responsible for national/foreign and health & science news at the paper; he also served as the paper’s New York Editor.As a recovering Long Islander, I stipulate that the name “Les Payne” constitutes a barf alert for any knowledgable reader.http://www.newsday.com/columnists/les-payne
On the substance, Payne would have a perfect analogy - if the young Mr. Martin had been 5’ 2” instead of 6’ 2” . . .
and what if it had been about collecting beanie babies?
geez leftists are stOOpid
and what if it had been about collecting beanie babies?
geez leftists are stOOpid
and what if it had been about collecting beanie babies?
geez leftists are stOOpid
When assaulted or raped, the assaulted woman has right to self-defense,and it does not matter who provoked it. The same analogy would apply to Zimmerman, a man who was being physically assaulted and had to kill TM in self-defense, a right that Zimmerman had no matter who provoked the attack. Now this race-baiter is trying to spin it up side down, and apply the analogy to TM, as the one who was acting in self-defense under attack from Zimmerman, the facts and evidence be damned.
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