Free Republic
Browse · Search
Smoky Backroom
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Dubya's Legacies

Posted on 06/28/2012 1:25:12 PM PDT by KantianBurke



TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: obama; roberts
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-65 next last
Mismanaging our country to the point that Obama was elected President and Supreme Court Justice John Roberts - thanks Dubya! (sarcasm off). Bush bots - feel free to declare your mea culpas at any time.
1 posted on 06/28/2012 1:25:23 PM PDT by KantianBurke
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: KantianBurke

Hey, it’s OK. Just vote for Willard and everything will be OK. Suckers.


2 posted on 06/28/2012 1:27:57 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: KantianBurke

I was thinking the same friggin thing. Thanks for the post.

Stay out ‘da Bushes


3 posted on 06/28/2012 1:28:40 PM PDT by vg0va3
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: KantianBurke

DHS (to include TSA)


4 posted on 06/28/2012 1:28:40 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: KantianBurke

EVERY evil of teh Clinton and Obama administration had its genesis in the terms of Bush II and his father.

Blame Bush makes more sense than most people realize.


5 posted on 06/28/2012 1:28:56 PM PDT by ZULU (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&hd)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: fieldmarshaldj

6 posted on 06/28/2012 1:31:37 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: KantianBurke

Good old “Compassionate Conservatism.”


7 posted on 06/28/2012 1:38:36 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: KantianBurke
Freepers were just about unanimous is lauding Bush for the Roberts pick.

Yet Bush is 100% to blame now for not knowing how Roberts would vote for the rest of his life?

8 posted on 06/28/2012 1:44:04 PM PDT by what's up
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: what's up

ROTFLMAO! Ah a true to form Bush bot - zero accountability for their prince. I suppose Roberts magically appeared onto the Supreme Court courtesy of the tooth fairy huh?


9 posted on 06/28/2012 1:47:24 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: KantianBurke
Okay. I don't believe you have any motive, political, personal, other than to speak your heart and mind, saying how you really feel, probably felt this way for quite some time, and can't say that I blame you. Other dyed-in the-wool Republicans have had the same change of heart about Dubya, but you've had the temerity to say it exactly as it is, exactly how you feel.and I congratulate, respect you for it.

During his tenure, he was spoken of here at FR with great reverence, respect, support for him was a deep as it was wide. Now, I can't recall the last time I read anything about him here. So, it may have taken three years to speak your mind, God bless you for that, but for you at least, the bloom is off this Texas-or-any-other-variety-rose.

10 posted on 06/28/2012 1:48:02 PM PDT by lbryce (BHO-"Now, I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds" by way of Oppenheimer at Trinity, NM)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: KantianBurke

And it’s very unlikely that W will have a comment on the ruling. He just doesn’t comment since leaving office, except, of course, when he wants to call conservatives xenophobes for opposing his amnesty and open borders initiatives.


11 posted on 06/28/2012 1:49:24 PM PDT by Will88
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: what's up

So what’s Rove gonna’ say?

I voted for Ross Perot because I wanted him to read MY lips. And I still don’t regret it. I voted for W and do regret it.


12 posted on 06/28/2012 1:52:19 PM PDT by Terry Mross ( To all my kin: Do not attempt to contact me as long as you love obama.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: KantianBurke
I was thinking the same thing.

What if those 560 voters in Florida in 2000 voted another way or the ballot in Palm County was designed properly or the rats figured a way to steal another state?

We would have had Al Gore and perhaps a backlash against him and a much more conservative, 2004-2012.

Be careful what you wish for was never more true than in 2000.

13 posted on 06/28/2012 1:53:19 PM PDT by cicero2k
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: KantianBurke

1988, 1992, 2000, 2004 - all four of my Bush votes WASTED!

1996 and 2008 a total waste on idiots.

I’m done. To hell with politicians. The Republic is dead.


14 posted on 06/28/2012 1:56:47 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are just useless and useful idiots.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: lbryce

I’ve been pointing out Dubya’s conservative betrayals since the Farm Bill of 02. At that point it was obvious that Bush and co. had made a conscious decision to go full steam ahead on big government for Jesus projects.

“During his tenure, he was spoken of here at FR with great reverence, respect, support for him was a deep as it was wide.”

Hero worship is sickening regardless of the political party that practices it. The consequences are usually unpleasant as well. Just consider how the current occupant of the White House got there.

“Now, I can’t recall the last time I read anything about him here.”

Plenty of folks have convientlly short memories. Its considered impolitic to bring up Medicare Part D, Operation Togehter Forward II, TARP, No Child Left Behind...


15 posted on 06/28/2012 1:57:36 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: KantianBurke

You forgotten W getting us into 2 wars we can’t win.

I couldn’t believe Bush got a white guy approved as chief justice of the supreme court (in a day & age where being white and male are illegal); now I understand.


16 posted on 06/28/2012 2:06:16 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: KantianBurke
Ah a true to form Bush bot - zero accountability for their prince. I suppose Roberts magically appeared

If Bush is accountable then so are the conservatives who cheered after Roberts was named.

No, Roberts didn't magically appear. He was lobbied for...conservatives worked hard to bring his name before Bush. His name was put forth time and time again right here on FR before Bush ever named him. And FR celebrated when he did.

It wasn't the RINOS who pushed hardest for him to be on the court.

17 posted on 06/28/2012 2:08:28 PM PDT by what's up
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: KantianBurke

The best thing ever to happen to the Democrats/liberals was the idiot Bush.


18 posted on 06/28/2012 2:14:29 PM PDT by cydcharisse (`)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: what's up
Irrelevant. Dubya was in charge, made the call and threw his name into the ring. He alone bears responsibility for Robert's position on the Court. Remember that "Decider" thing?


19 posted on 06/28/2012 2:18:01 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: kearnyirish2
2 wars we can’t win

You mean two wars we refuse to win.
20 posted on 06/28/2012 2:18:01 PM PDT by Kaosinla (The More the Plans Fail. The More the Planners Plan.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Kaosinla

No, we can’t win them; we don’t have the numbers or the conviction. Today just exemplified why anyone who puts on a uniform shouldn’t be surprised that it isn’t treated with the same dignity and respect that it once was; the country has changed, so the meaning of “serving your country” has as well.

For Catholics, images of policemen dragging pro-life protesters away in handcuffs said all that needed to be said; the genocide of abortion would continue, with the full support of the government workforce.


21 posted on 06/28/2012 2:25:55 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: KantianBurke
Irrelevant.

I don't believe it is.

If they now have done a 180 and don't like Roberts, conservatives should be saying they were dead wrong on him and they shouldn't have pushed Bush so hard to nominate him.

22 posted on 06/28/2012 2:32:57 PM PDT by what's up
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: kearnyirish2

Not to be contrary, but lack of conviction means a refusal to win. By the sheer aresenal of our military, the wars can be won in less than 24 hrs. But, mutually assured economic destruction is still guiding our actions.


23 posted on 06/28/2012 2:36:15 PM PDT by Kaosinla (The More the Plans Fail. The More the Planners Plan.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: what's up
And FR celebrated when he did.

We'll never know now if it would have made any difference, but FR leadership spent most of the Bush years in a paranoid witch hunt to sniff out and purge any criticism of the demented neocon juggernaut. Some of the brightest and most fearless voices were driven out or else bullied into silence both here and elsewhere throughout the (nominally) conservative movement. The result is that today "conservatism" in America is largely adrift, unprincipled, reactive, philosophically impoverished, anti-intellectual, ignorant, and angry. Obama's indisputably the worst-ever POTUS, but Dubya's right behind him, and FR played its part in allowing him to commit his folly unchallenged.

24 posted on 06/28/2012 2:36:45 PM PDT by Romulus (Askel5 warned us.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: cicero2k
We would have had Al Gore

Al Gore in charge of our military during 9/11?

NO THANKS...never in a million.

25 posted on 06/28/2012 2:36:45 PM PDT by what's up
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: what's up

Fine. Blame those on the right who championed Roberts if that floats your boat. But you cannot avoid Dubya’s responsibility for what has occurred today. The buck stopped with him.


26 posted on 06/28/2012 2:38:02 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: KantianBurke
Blame those on the right who championed Roberts

I'm not blaming them.

I'm saying that IF you blame Bush for Roberts you must also blame the millions who wanted Roberts and pushed Bush to nominate him.

If Bush was wrong in judgment, so were they.

27 posted on 06/28/2012 2:40:48 PM PDT by what's up
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Kaosinla

I’m familiar with military operations; the same arsenal that couldn’t defeat North Vietnam (and has improved by 40 years of advancements to our weapons systems) still isn’t going to do much to a more de-centralized, wilder bunch of pagans. Read about the effects of the bombing campaigns during the Vietnam War, and realize that it couldn’t go on forever: it was unaffordable, and lost f0r the same reason Britain couldn’t hold the 13 colonies. How long can you project force halfway around the world on a population that doesn’t want you there? At least George III had some loyalist support in the colonies; we have no such thing.

Iraq was a quick conventional victory because it was a manageable terrain ideal for a war with low casualties; when we actually had to stay on after the conventional war it was a whole different ballgame. Instead of clinging to the skids a la Saigon 1975, we simply scurried out under cover of darkness (no iconic photos) and declared victory.


28 posted on 06/28/2012 2:43:54 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: what's up

I don’t shirk responsibility, but I also don’t excuse being deceived. With this, I was deceived by Roberts himself. And, I was deceived by Bush and his administration. The GOP-E knew exactly what Roberts was and is, which is very similar to their own political identities.


29 posted on 06/28/2012 2:44:09 PM PDT by Kaosinla (The More the Plans Fail. The More the Planners Plan.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: what's up

Pushed? Bush was an adult. He was the President who made the decision to nominate Roberts. As such it was his job to choose the best candidate for the position. As happened so many times during his administration, he failed. That is an onus that is many times greater for him than some columnist spouting off in a newspaper or conference. If you can’t see see how there’s a difference or claim they’re equivalent, you have my sympathy.


30 posted on 06/28/2012 2:44:39 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: KantianBurke

BS. The support for Roberts here was damn near unanimous. Bush does not own the lies of Roberts.


31 posted on 06/28/2012 2:46:34 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: KantianBurke

BS. The support for Roberts here was damn near unanimous. Bush does not own the lies of Roberts.


32 posted on 06/28/2012 2:46:52 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: what's up

They are a disgusting bunch, aren’t they?

Harriet Miers would have been a vote for the constitution but the screaming from the conservative geniuses that Roberts was a conservative constitutional genius won the day. Miers, btw, opposed Roberts and supported Priscilla Owen. Unfortunately the loudmouth, elitish aholes like Rove won the day and Roberts, the lying sack of sh6t, got the appointment.


33 posted on 06/28/2012 2:52:05 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: what's up

They are a disgusting bunch, aren’t they?

Harriet Miers would have been a vote for the constitution but the screaming from the conservative geniuses that Roberts was a conservative constitutional genius won the day. Miers, btw, opposed Roberts and supported Priscilla Owen. Unfortunately the loudmouth, elitish aholes like Rove won the day and Roberts, the lying sack of sh6t, got the appointment.


34 posted on 06/28/2012 2:52:25 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: kearnyirish2

You are only speaking to conventional warfare (winning hearts and minds). I’m speaking of capitulation and/or acquiescence. Due to mutually assured economic destruction among other things, we can’t even discuss a nuclear arsenal or wars w/ high civilarn mortality.


35 posted on 06/28/2012 2:53:58 PM PDT by Kaosinla (The More the Plans Fail. The More the Planners Plan.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: jwalsh07

“Bush does not own the lies of Roberts.”

So your argument is that Bush was just too stupid to get a grasp on how to nominate people for the Supreme Court. That works too. Helps explain the Harriet Miers debacle now that you mention it.


36 posted on 06/28/2012 2:54:26 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: KantianBurke
Bush was an adult.

Yes, he certainly was. An adult who took his people's desires in mind.

He didn't rule as an autocrat.

Conservatives put a list of candidates forward. He listened and acted.

Now, if conservatives today don't like Roberts they as ADULTS should fess up that they were wrong about him.

37 posted on 06/28/2012 2:55:52 PM PDT by what's up
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: what's up

“Yes, he certainly was”

So why are you denying him any culpability? Do you experience actual physical pain with the idea of saying “yes Bush failed.”

“Now, if conservatives today don’t like Roberts they as ADULTS should fess up that they were wrong about him.”

Sure. But FYI - the thread aint about those jokers. Separate issue. AFWIW, Coulter called out Roberts back in 05. There’s a thread circulating on the boards as we speak.


38 posted on 06/28/2012 2:59:43 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: jwalsh07
I just see it as a clever way (well, really not so clever) of ever taking responsibility.

As a constituent you can advise, cajole, threaten (whatever it takes) a leader into making a decision.

Then, once that decision is made you can just blame the leader if it goes wrong. It would never be your fault for having had any influence on the outcome.

Very cheesy IMO.

39 posted on 06/28/2012 2:59:58 PM PDT by what's up
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: KantianBurke
So why are you denying him any culpability?

For about the 3rd time...I'm saying that if Bush is culpable, so are all those who were wrong about Roberts.

But FYI - the thread aint about those jokers

It should be if one doesn't like Roberts. Instead it's just "blame Bush" just like the liberals ad nauseum.

40 posted on 06/28/2012 3:04:28 PM PDT by what's up
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: KantianBurke

No pal, my argument is that one man can not know the mind of another man with any degree of certainty. No degree of vetting can uncover the building desire in DC to be accepted by the self proclaimed best and brightest. And only a fool thinks otherwise. Like you.


41 posted on 06/28/2012 3:06:01 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: KantianBurke

Bush’s Fault


42 posted on 06/28/2012 3:09:43 PM PDT by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: what's up

“I’m saying that if Bush is culpable, so are all those who were wrong about Roberts.”

And I am retorting that such a policy is akin to passing the buck. Bush was the president. He was in charge and it was his reposnsiblity to rise above such chatter for the good of the country. Not anyone else’s. As per today’s ruling, he failed in that test.


43 posted on 06/28/2012 3:10:36 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: jwalsh07
"one man can not know the mind of another man with any degree of certainty."

You tell that to your prince?

"I looked the man in the eye. I was able to get a sense of his soul." June 16th, 2001

Yet another Dubya epic fail.

44 posted on 06/28/2012 3:15:21 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: KantianBurke
Bush was the president.

But not God.

The President is not the only one to blame for every detail that goes wrong, not is he the one to praise for every detail that goes right.

In a democracy the people are culpable too; in this case conservatives and not RINO's have to re-examine why they pushed Roberts' name (if they don't like the ruling).

45 posted on 06/28/2012 3:28:47 PM PDT by what's up
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: what's up

“Bush was the president. But not God.”

Lol, you must not have visited any of the Daily Dose threads.

“The President is not the only one to blame for every detail that goes wrong”

Nominating a Supreme Court Justice who proved to be the deciding vote for Obamacare is a pretty big detail to screw up. And Bush was the one who nominated him. Parse out the blame in any formula you’d like. Dubya is still the main culprit.


46 posted on 06/28/2012 3:33:30 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: KantianBurke
Dubya is still the main culprit.

Yeah, the DU "blame Bush" mantra is coming through from you loud and very clear.

47 posted on 06/28/2012 3:38:24 PM PDT by what's up
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: KantianBurke

I don’t have a prince but there does seem to be an extra asshole following me around.


48 posted on 06/28/2012 3:41:09 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: what's up

The Bush bot worship mania is certainly emanating from you. What’s sickening is even after all the damage that schmuck has done to this country and small government conservatism, there’s still diehards like you to debase themselves before him.


49 posted on 06/28/2012 3:42:04 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: KantianBurke

How much damage did Reagan do to the country by not being a seer?


50 posted on 06/28/2012 3:48:11 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-65 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Smoky Backroom
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson