Skip to comments."Secession withdraws the State out of the reach of the usurped powers" - Abel P. Upshur
Posted on 06/28/2012 8:13:14 PM PDT by Idabilly
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I no longer want anything to do with this sick country.
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
Didn’t we already try the secession thing? Didn’t wind up too good.
I’ve been ready since 1992.
Quotes of Jefferson Davis
“The withdrawal of a State from a league has no revolutionary or insurrectionary characteristic. The government of the State remains unchanged as to all internal affairs. It is only its external or confederate relations that are altered. To term this action of a Sovereign a ‘rebellion’ is a gross abuse of language.”
“Obstacles may retard, but they cannot long prevent the progress of a movement sanctified by its justice, and sustained by a virtuous people .”
“Secession belongs to a different class of remedies. It is to be justified upon the basis that the States are Sovereign. There was a time when none denied it. I hope the time may come again, when a better comprehension of the theory of our Government, and the inalienable rights of the people of the States, will prevent any one from denying that each State is a Sovereign, and thus may reclaim the grants which it has made to any agent whomsoever.”
“The contest is not over, the strife is not ended. It has only entered upon a new and enlarged arena.” Jefferson Davis, address to the Mississippi legislature - 16 years after the wars end.
“The principle for which we contend is bound to reassert itself, though it may be at another time and in another form.”
The problem is that unlike the old South, where there was a thoroughly Southern identity, no such state exists today. Being generous, you might find a state where secession enjoys support from 60% of the population. Secession simply isn’t possible when 4 out of every 10 people are against it. The type of majority that would be needed does not exist.
President Davis CSA
Secession is a slow moldering burn that last a long time. Then all of a sudden it flares up like wildfire when the yoke is thrown off and freedom is felt cursing through rebel veins. You are alive for the first time.
Listen to central_va, Melas, as (s?)he is correct. Prior to the start of the war, only about 25% of the populations of the Southern states were pro-secession IIRC. Once the initial fighting began, and the people saw what was at stake, in real world terms, the south was galvanized against the murderous tyranny. Things happen at an exponential rate. At first it seems the smoldering so slow that nothing is happening, then there’s the fire.
The Constitution has been on life support shortly after it was enacted. Today it was pronounced dead. Our founders would have seceded long ago. They fought one hell of a war for less.
"We must have patience and longer endurance then with our brethren while under delusion; give them time for reflection and experience of consequences; keep ourselves in a situation to profit by the chapter of accidents; and separate from our companions only when the sole alternatives left, are the dissolution of our Union with them, or submission to a government without limitation of powers. Between these two evils, when we must make a choice, there can be no hesitation." Thomas Jefferson
"When a government is founded upon the voluntary consent, and agreement of a people uniting themselves together for their common benefit, the people, or nation, collectively taken, is free, although the administration of the government should happen to be oppressive, and to a certain degree, even tyrannical; since it is in the power of the people to alter, or abolish it, whenever they shall think proper; and to institute such new government as may seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. But if the government be founded in fear, constraint, or force, although the administration should happen to be mild, the people, being deprived of the sovereignty, are reduced to a state of civil slavery. Should the administration, in this case, become tyrannical, they are without redress. Submission, punishment, or a successful revolt, are the only alternatives. http://www.constitution.org/tb/t1b.htm
How would you know one feels alive for the first time? You've never lived through a secession. If might state were to attempt secession, I would work against it in every possible way. I'm an American, born and bred. State citizenship is a grace period before I have to get a new drivers license.
The republic is dead in you. You are dead inside politically. Try to get the concept that this current situation is all an unsustainable illusion, FedGov power is fictitious. It is 535 fools running around a 60 square mile swamp pretending to know what they are doing. All politics and loyalties are local. Try to think out of the box. With a simple vote any state can leave crazytown anytime they want to if they are willing to take a chance.
No, I'm just not one of those people who's lived his life within 50 miles of his birth. Which was the norm at the turn of the 20th century btw. By the turn of the 21st century, those people were an ever shrinking minority.
I've lived in seven states so far, and may live in seven more before my life is over.
What did Fedgov ever do for you except steal your money?
You forget, sir, that you are a "Obamanos" and Idaho is a Conservative State. If you bless my State with one of your Union-restoring excursions you're going to find one big boot up your ass....
Making you a traitor to your state and fellow citizens.
We’re all Dixie, now.©
It will be interesting to see where the people turn. A return to the founding principles rooted in state sovereignty is a possibility but is by no means assured. History suggest a decent into totalitarianism more likely. But the American people have surprised before.
No more career politicians, on either/any side of the aisle. To them and their ilk, more government is good, it is all they know. They cannot even fathom how the rest of us view them and their endless regulations as impediments and burdens. Enough.
If at first you don’t secede....
If you have a better idea, I’m all ears (no pun intended, well maybe just a bit).
[But seriously, *this* time, can’t NoVa do a ~little better~ job of freeing ‘her sister’? We saved the state song just in case, ya know.]
[looks like he's not the only guy who's been there]
I don’t see how that can possibly make any difference unless you plan on assassination the Leftist Federal injustices(including Traitor John).
It has been made clear today that the Federal Constitution is a dead letter in its only inherit propose. The protection of the rights of the people.
If too many of the population of this federation are too attached to this lawlessness then I see no other option to regain our liberty but secession.
Regretfully with respect to the acts of anther tyrant that may mean war that we will have to prepare for first(dismantling the federal army, preparing to cease part of the nuclear arcenel, and purging the State National Guards of disloyal officer).
So many reasons then and now are apples and oranges. Just think about it awhile before just doing a knee-jerk post.
I would say Texas would be the most likely one and if a movement started to gather steam then many would move there and swell the ranks of the movement and I might just be one of them.
It really saddens me the amount of peopl etrying to find a silver lining in this.
Maybe there is one, I don’t know for sure, but as far as I can tell, the left won the entire shooting match today. There is no more game, it’s over, we are but property of our master.
For all those who said Obama is ineffective, a novice, out of his league...that is a description of us. He is the man who destroyed the USA.
One silver lining: the older you are, the fewer years you’ll have to toil under the tyranny that’s taken hold in our former Republic. Not much of silver lining, I know. But it’s something....
I’m over 40 with a suspect heart. I look at that suspect heart as my ticket off this rock, and I don’t want to miss my chance to ride.
I can say that I’ve had a very good life so far, I grew up when America was great. When Ronald Reagan was president. When there was music and people generally had respect, well at least more respect than they have today.
It really is a damn crying shame what has happened.
I’m older too. And if it were just me, I’d tell them all to go get stuffed. But I have nieces and nephews, and can’t bear the thought of them living their lives as slaves.
This morning when I awakened to find out that the USSC upheld the totalitarian move, I immediately started reading about other countries in which to live. If I find one that is less intrusive, less taxes, etc, I’ll move there in a New York second. I have heard that American dollars go a long way in the Dominican Republic, for example.
IMHO - The US is going to fiscally implode just like the Soviet Union. The debt burden, cronyism and fiscal irresponsibility guarantees that fiscal collapse. Nothing can stop it at this point in time. So preparing for the collapse is a must. That is what all the prepping is really about. After the collapse, we will have the opportunity to split the states and reform into various nation entities. DC will simply become nonexistent as its money will become worthless. No one but Putin talks about the old Soviet Union anymore.
Sorry for the typo (yawn its early). DOI...not DOP
Damn right I would support secession of my state of Texas if this trend socialism continues.
...now rebellion against tyranny? THAT is sanctioned by the Founders and they (from Heaven) are probably wondering why we are taking so long.
“What is left but secession?”
We already have a Constitution written. Repeal the tax amendment and you have the makings “in order to form (an even more) perfect union...”
My only worry would be the secession would create 100 different “boss hog banana republics” instead of a pre-1913 free America.
I’m sorry but that is really repugnant. NYer now living in in Richmond, VA and I would NEVER do that to Jefferson Davis’s grave at the Hollywood Cemetery.
“Didnt we already try the secession thing? Didnt wind up too good.”
Lol... In case you hadn’t figured it out... That tactic holds ZERO legitimacy any longer in the minds of the folks who want to be free of the oppressive tyranny this federal government has become.
im not saying that secession is inevitable... God knows that men today are weak, lazy and consumed by cowardice or paralyzed by their perceived “duty” to their family, friends, employment.
Good men know this is just the latest in a long series of abuses by the federal government. Good men KNOW that what the federal government has become is not something that should be tolerated or allowed continued existence. Its plainly obvious to ALL good men and women that what we have is not recognizable as freedom.
But up to and including now, good men and women do NOTHING but make excuses for their inaction. They hide behind their daily responsibilities while their freedom evaporates. They rationalize, they delude themselves, they cower...
What is it going to take to regain our freedom? Maybe bricks through windows? Maybe unchecked violence? Dirt and blood?
Or maybe a second of clarity and courage to declare our independence from the agents of entropy. We are bound to this tragedy and those who enable it ONLY by our own will. We CAN choose to say ENOUGH and dissolve the bonds that tie us to their decay. But that will only happen when good men and women realize that there is no other alternative. When their loyalty to something that no longer exists is replaced by a loyalty and duty to freedom for themselves and those who will fight along side them.
IF/When the good men and women finally decide that independence (secession) is their only legitimate hope to be free and if i still walk this earth, I will be there with them.
So, try just once in all that we do? It took Edison 10,000 tries just to produce a working light bulb. How many tries is Liberty worth?
Besides, this isn't 1860. Many differences exist between 1860 and 2012.
War. We can’t muster enough candidates with principles to prevent this kind of crap. Do you REALLY think we can muster enough people to vote to secede?
Just like Obama is making private wealth illegal ? Not only am I stuck here without Constitutional governance - I cannot enjoy the fruits of my own labor. Talk about slavery.
As I think I've mentioned before, I am not interested in begging for my rights. You can wish for total despotism to your heart's content. I will not except it. You can tell me all about Saint Lincoln and his flying carpet - I will ignore you.
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!
I do too, kevao, one nephew who is just made of pure adorable and another one is on the way.
I don’t have any idea how to help them outside of advising my brother to leave the country while we still have planes in the sky with fuel in them.
From my eyes, now doesn’t seem like the best time for young folks to be raising a family. It looks like I won’t be making one, at least for now.
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