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"Secession withdraws the State out of the reach of the usurped powers" - Abel P. Upshur
The Declaration of Independence: A Transcription ^ | July 4, 1776 | Honest People in search of Freedom

Posted on 06/28/2012 8:13:14 PM PDT by Idabilly

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1 posted on 06/28/2012 8:13:19 PM PDT by Idabilly
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To: Idabilly

exactly


2 posted on 06/28/2012 8:18:22 PM PDT by MattinNJ (Romney? Really? Seriously?)
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To: cowboyway; central_va; dcwusmc; MagnoliaB; Cvengr; southernsunshine; Salamander; PeaRidge; ...
What is left but secession?
3 posted on 06/28/2012 8:20:27 PM PDT by Idabilly (Tailpipes poppin, radios rockin, Country Boy Can Survive.)
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To: Idabilly

I’m ready.

I no longer want anything to do with this sick country.


4 posted on 06/28/2012 8:21:56 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Idabilly
We have one shot left, winning back the W.H. and getting a filibuster proof Senate before secession becomes our only option.

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

5 posted on 06/28/2012 8:29:30 PM PDT by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: SecondAmendment

Didn’t we already try the secession thing? Didn’t wind up too good.


6 posted on 06/28/2012 8:34:29 PM PDT by Mmogamer (I refudiate the lamestream media, leftists and their prevaricutions.)
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To: Idabilly
If the government that you are currently affiliated with has decided to turn against you, and the interest of the people in your region, the succession is your way of recourse. Of course succeeding from the union now will result in a horrible bloodbath brought upon those who would even dare to challenge the feds supreme authority, although in the end it might be worth it. If anyone were to teach the feds the concept of humility, succession is how you would do it.
7 posted on 06/28/2012 8:35:01 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Idabilly
My only disagreement at this point is that I don't want to be the secessionist, because I am the one obeying and want my leaders to obey the constitution. They are the secessionists. I want to be more of a restorationist.
8 posted on 06/28/2012 8:35:03 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: chris37

I’ve been ready since 1992.


9 posted on 06/28/2012 8:35:03 PM PDT by Gluteus Maximus
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To: Idabilly

Quotes of Jefferson Davis

“The withdrawal of a State from a league has no revolutionary or insurrectionary characteristic. The government of the State remains unchanged as to all internal affairs. It is only its external or confederate relations that are altered. To term this action of a Sovereign a ‘rebellion’ is a gross abuse of language.”

“Obstacles may retard, but they cannot long prevent the progress of a movement sanctified by its justice, and sustained by a virtuous people .”

“Secession belongs to a different class of remedies. It is to be justified upon the basis that the States are Sovereign. There was a time when none denied it. I hope the time may come again, when a better comprehension of the theory of our Government, and the inalienable rights of the people of the States, will prevent any one from denying that each State is a Sovereign, and thus may reclaim the grants which it has made to any agent whomsoever.”

“The contest is not over, the strife is not ended. It has only entered upon a new and enlarged arena.” Jefferson Davis, address to the Mississippi legislature - 16 years after the wars end.

“The principle for which we contend is bound to reassert itself, though it may be at another time and in another form.”


10 posted on 06/28/2012 8:35:49 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Idabilly

The problem is that unlike the old South, where there was a thoroughly Southern identity, no such state exists today. Being generous, you might find a state where secession enjoys support from 60% of the population. Secession simply isn’t possible when 4 out of every 10 people are against it. The type of majority that would be needed does not exist.


11 posted on 06/28/2012 8:37:36 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Idabilly

“The principle for which we contend is bound to reassert itself, though it may be at another time and in another form.”


                         President Davis CSA

12 posted on 06/28/2012 8:38:48 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Melas

Secession is a slow moldering burn that last a long time. Then all of a sudden it flares up like wildfire when the yoke is thrown off and freedom is felt cursing through rebel veins. You are alive for the first time.


13 posted on 06/28/2012 8:42:09 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va; Melas

Listen to central_va, Melas, as (s?)he is correct. Prior to the start of the war, only about 25% of the populations of the Southern states were pro-secession IIRC. Once the initial fighting began, and the people saw what was at stake, in real world terms, the south was galvanized against the murderous tyranny. Things happen at an exponential rate. At first it seems the smoldering so slow that nothing is happening, then there’s the fire.


14 posted on 06/28/2012 8:49:16 PM PDT by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/ AND "The fat, spoiled, complacent kid is going on a diet." -Unkus)
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To: Vince Ferrer
because I am the one obeying and want my leaders to obey the constitution. They are the secessionists

The Constitution has been on life support shortly after it was enacted. Today it was pronounced dead. Our founders would have seceded long ago. They fought one hell of a war for less.

"We must have patience and longer endurance then with our brethren while under delusion; give them time for reflection and experience of consequences; keep ourselves in a situation to profit by the chapter of accidents; and separate from our companions only when the sole alternatives left, are the dissolution of our Union with them, or submission to a government without limitation of powers. Between these two evils, when we must make a choice, there can be no hesitation." Thomas Jefferson

"When a government is founded upon the voluntary consent, and agreement of a people uniting themselves together for their common benefit, the people, or nation, collectively taken, is free, although the administration of the government should happen to be oppressive, and to a certain degree, even tyrannical; since it is in the power of the people to alter, or abolish it, whenever they shall think proper; and to institute such new government as may seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. But if the government be founded in fear, constraint, or force, although the administration should happen to be mild, the people, being deprived of the sovereignty, are reduced to a state of civil slavery. Should the administration, in this case, become tyrannical, they are without redress. Submission, punishment, or a successful revolt, are the only alternatives. http://www.constitution.org/tb/t1b.htm

15 posted on 06/28/2012 8:54:42 PM PDT by Idabilly (Tailpipes poppin, radios rockin, Country Boy Can Survive.)
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To: central_va
Then all of a sudden it flares up like wildfire when the yoke is thrown off and freedom is felt cursing through rebel veins. You are alive for the first time.

How would you know one feels alive for the first time? You've never lived through a secession. If might state were to attempt secession, I would work against it in every possible way. I'm an American, born and bred. State citizenship is a grace period before I have to get a new drivers license.

16 posted on 06/28/2012 8:57:20 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Melas
I would work against it in every possible way.

The republic is dead in you. You are dead inside politically. Try to get the concept that this current situation is all an unsustainable illusion, FedGov™ power is fictitious. It is 535 fools running around a 60 square mile swamp pretending to know what they are doing. All politics and loyalties are local. Try to think out of the box. With a simple vote any state can leave crazytown anytime they want to if they are willing to take a chance.

17 posted on 06/28/2012 9:04:55 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
The republic is dead in you. You are dead inside politically.

No, I'm just not one of those people who's lived his life within 50 miles of his birth. Which was the norm at the turn of the 20th century btw. By the turn of the 21st century, those people were an ever shrinking minority.

I've lived in seven states so far, and may live in seven more before my life is over.

18 posted on 06/28/2012 9:10:21 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Melas
I've lived in seven states so far, and may live in seven more before my life is over.

What did Fedgov™ ever do for you except steal your money?

19 posted on 06/28/2012 9:11:54 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Melas
If might state were to attempt secession, I would work against it in every possible way.

You forget, sir, that you are a "Obamanos" and Idaho is a Conservative State. If you bless my State with one of your Union-restoring excursions you're going to find one big boot up your ass....

20 posted on 06/28/2012 9:21:09 PM PDT by Idabilly (Tailpipes poppin, radios rockin, Country Boy Can Survive.)
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To: Melas
If might state were to attempt secession, I would work against it in every possible way.

Making you a traitor to your state and fellow citizens.

21 posted on 06/28/2012 9:23:46 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va; Idabilly

We’re all Dixie, now.©


22 posted on 06/28/2012 9:23:53 PM PDT by Salamander (I wanna hurt you just to hear you screaming my name.)
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To: Idabilly
The Roberts' court ruling appears to be opening the eyes of more than a few on the right that the Constitution cannot limit the scope of Federal power which now only the willfully blind see as limited. And given the fresh memories of the Bush administration fewer yet see salvation in the Republican Party.

It will be interesting to see where the people turn. A return to the founding principles rooted in state sovereignty is a possibility but is by no means assured. History suggest a decent into totalitarianism more likely. But the American people have surprised before.

23 posted on 06/28/2012 9:26:37 PM PDT by trek
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To: chris37
Sadly you're right. Only a very serious wake-up call will do. Maybe if a few midwest, flyover, and/or western States start serious proceedings to leave, or actually do leave, will it wake the rest of the Country up.

No more career politicians, on either/any side of the aisle. To them and their ilk, more government is good, it is all they know. They cannot even fathom how the rest of us view them and their endless regulations as impediments and burdens. Enough.

24 posted on 06/28/2012 9:27:11 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Salamander

If at first you don’t secede....


25 posted on 06/28/2012 9:27:38 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Mmogamer

If you have a better idea, I’m all ears (no pun intended, well maybe just a bit).


26 posted on 06/28/2012 9:29:07 PM PDT by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: central_va

LOL

[But seriously, *this* time, can’t NoVa do a ~little better~ job of freeing ‘her sister’? We saved the state song just in case, ya know.]

;]


27 posted on 06/28/2012 9:34:40 PM PDT by Salamander (I wanna hurt you just to hear you screaming my name.)
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To: Idabilly

ROFLMAO!

[looks like he's not the only guy who's been there]

28 posted on 06/28/2012 9:39:08 PM PDT by Salamander (I wanna hurt you just to hear you screaming my name.)
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To: SecondAmendment

I don’t see how that can possibly make any difference unless you plan on assassination the Leftist Federal injustices(including Traitor John).

It has been made clear today that the Federal Constitution is a dead letter in its only inherit propose. The protection of the rights of the people.

If too many of the population of this federation are too attached to this lawlessness then I see no other option to regain our liberty but secession.

Regretfully with respect to the acts of anther tyrant that may mean war that we will have to prepare for first(dismantling the federal army, preparing to cease part of the nuclear arcenel, and purging the State National Guards of disloyal officer).


29 posted on 06/28/2012 9:44:51 PM PDT by Monorprise
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30 posted on 06/28/2012 9:56:19 PM PDT by Idabilly (Tailpipes poppin, radios rockin, Country Boy Can Survive.)
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To: Mmogamer

So many reasons then and now are apples and oranges. Just think about it awhile before just doing a knee-jerk post.


31 posted on 06/28/2012 10:00:17 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Melas

I would say Texas would be the most likely one and if a movement started to gather steam then many would move there and swell the ranks of the movement and I might just be one of them.


32 posted on 06/28/2012 10:03:20 PM PDT by albionin (A gawn fit's eye gettin.)
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To: ThunderSleeps

It really saddens me the amount of peopl etrying to find a silver lining in this.

Maybe there is one, I don’t know for sure, but as far as I can tell, the left won the entire shooting match today. There is no more game, it’s over, we are but property of our master.

For all those who said Obama is ineffective, a novice, out of his league...that is a description of us. He is the man who destroyed the USA.


33 posted on 06/28/2012 11:08:05 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37

One silver lining: the older you are, the fewer years you’ll have to toil under the tyranny that’s taken hold in our former Republic. Not much of silver lining, I know. But it’s something....


34 posted on 06/28/2012 11:14:33 PM PDT by kevao
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To: kevao

Yep.

I’m over 40 with a suspect heart. I look at that suspect heart as my ticket off this rock, and I don’t want to miss my chance to ride.

I can say that I’ve had a very good life so far, I grew up when America was great. When Ronald Reagan was president. When there was music and people generally had respect, well at least more respect than they have today.

It really is a damn crying shame what has happened.


35 posted on 06/28/2012 11:22:29 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37

I’m older too. And if it were just me, I’d tell them all to go get stuffed. But I have nieces and nephews, and can’t bear the thought of them living their lives as slaves.


36 posted on 06/28/2012 11:26:50 PM PDT by kevao
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To: Idabilly

This morning when I awakened to find out that the USSC upheld the totalitarian move, I immediately started reading about other countries in which to live. If I find one that is less intrusive, less taxes, etc, I’ll move there in a New York second. I have heard that American dollars go a long way in the Dominican Republic, for example.


37 posted on 06/28/2012 11:31:28 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (I wanna start a Seniors' Motor Scooter Gang. Wanna join?)
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To: Idabilly

IMHO - The US is going to fiscally implode just like the Soviet Union. The debt burden, cronyism and fiscal irresponsibility guarantees that fiscal collapse. Nothing can stop it at this point in time. So preparing for the collapse is a must. That is what all the prepping is really about. After the collapse, we will have the opportunity to split the states and reform into various nation entities. DC will simply become nonexistent as its money will become worthless. No one but Putin talks about the old Soviet Union anymore.


38 posted on 06/29/2012 12:31:36 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Idabilly
I cited this frrm the DOP on another John Roberts thread. It's meaning now should incur a lot of deep thought...

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government


39 posted on 06/29/2012 1:20:19 AM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: catfish1957

Sorry for the typo (yawn its early). DOI...not DOP


40 posted on 06/29/2012 1:23:48 AM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: central_va
Absolutley, in just my lifetime I have seen the social norm that hard work begats success morph into a government sponsored wealth redistribution system that rewards the slugs that leach off the backs of others.

Damn right I would support secession of my state of Texas if this trend socialism continues.

41 posted on 06/29/2012 1:32:52 AM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: Idabilly
Secession was made illegal by Abraham Lincoln—a great man but also the John Roberts of his day as far as empowering and enlarging the federal government is concerned.

...now rebellion against tyranny? THAT is sanctioned by the Founders and they (from Heaven) are probably wondering why we are taking so long.

42 posted on 06/29/2012 2:45:34 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("Obama is doing America like Bill Clinton did to Monica Lewinsky--"He' RIDIN' DIRTY!!!"')
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To: Idabilly

“What is left but secession?”

Seems so.

We already have a Constitution written. Repeal the tax amendment and you have the makings “in order to form (an even more) perfect union...”

My only worry would be the secession would create 100 different “boss hog banana republics” instead of a pre-1913 free America.


43 posted on 06/29/2012 3:33:08 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Idabilly
Abel Usher was an old-school Virginia aristocrat. He hated Jacksonian egalitarian Democrats as much as outsiders telling the South how to handle its “peculiar institution”.
44 posted on 06/29/2012 5:05:35 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: Salamander

I’m sorry but that is really repugnant. NYer now living in in Richmond, VA and I would NEVER do that to Jefferson Davis’s grave at the Hollywood Cemetery.


45 posted on 06/29/2012 5:09:13 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: Mmogamer

“Didn’t we already try the secession thing? Didn’t wind up too good.”


Lol... In case you hadn’t figured it out... That tactic holds ZERO legitimacy any longer in the minds of the folks who want to be free of the oppressive tyranny this federal government has become.

im not saying that secession is inevitable... God knows that men today are weak, lazy and consumed by cowardice or paralyzed by their perceived “duty” to their family, friends, employment.

BUT...

Good men know this is just the latest in a long series of abuses by the federal government. Good men KNOW that what the federal government has become is not something that should be tolerated or allowed continued existence. Its plainly obvious to ALL good men and women that what we have is not recognizable as freedom.

But up to and including now, good men and women do NOTHING but make excuses for their inaction. They hide behind their daily responsibilities while their freedom evaporates. They rationalize, they delude themselves, they cower...

What is it going to take to regain our freedom? Maybe bricks through windows? Maybe unchecked violence? Dirt and blood?

Or maybe a second of clarity and courage to declare our independence from the agents of entropy. We are bound to this tragedy and those who enable it ONLY by our own will. We CAN choose to say ENOUGH and dissolve the bonds that tie us to their decay. But that will only happen when good men and women realize that there is no other alternative. When their loyalty to something that no longer exists is replaced by a loyalty and duty to freedom for themselves and those who will fight along side them.

IF/When the good men and women finally decide that independence (secession) is their only legitimate hope to be free and if i still walk this earth, I will be there with them.


46 posted on 06/29/2012 6:23:08 AM PDT by myself6 (NOT voting for the GOP's socialist - Romney)
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To: Mmogamer
Didn’t we already try the secession thing? Didn’t wind up too good.

So, try just once in all that we do? It took Edison 10,000 tries just to produce a working light bulb. How many tries is Liberty worth?

Besides, this isn't 1860. Many differences exist between 1860 and 2012.

47 posted on 06/29/2012 6:33:51 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: Idabilly

War. We can’t muster enough candidates with principles to prevent this kind of crap. Do you REALLY think we can muster enough people to vote to secede?


48 posted on 06/29/2012 6:45:58 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Happy Rain
Secession was made illegal by Abraham Lincoln

Just like Obama is making private wealth illegal ? Not only am I stuck here without Constitutional governance - I cannot enjoy the fruits of my own labor. Talk about slavery.

As I think I've mentioned before, I am not interested in begging for my rights. You can wish for total despotism to your heart's content. I will not except it. You can tell me all about Saint Lincoln and his flying carpet - I will ignore you.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, — go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!”

49 posted on 06/29/2012 7:03:32 AM PDT by Idabilly (Tailpipes poppin, radios rockin, Country Boy Can Survive.)
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To: kevao

I do too, kevao, one nephew who is just made of pure adorable and another one is on the way.

I don’t have any idea how to help them outside of advising my brother to leave the country while we still have planes in the sky with fuel in them.

From my eyes, now doesn’t seem like the best time for young folks to be raising a family. It looks like I won’t be making one, at least for now.


50 posted on 06/29/2012 8:19:48 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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