Martin is an architect married to my cousin Keiku. Not the same as a software architect.
Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland
The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.
In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?
Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.
For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!
Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.
For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.
The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?
In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.
whoopsie! I did always get my Martins and Michaels mixed up, so he’s the son of the famous baby-sitter, and some people wonder why I think it’s NOT a good idea to use the names of LIVING people unless those living people have a big mouth like Mary Mary the Contrary Baby-sitter who can’t make up her mind when she baby-satted, was it January 1961 like she first said or was it when the boy was seven months old, when her own daughter who was born in July 1959 was 18 months old - or was it early in 1962, a whole year later than she first said...maybe her son could lend her a computer and she can work it all out for us. I can’t.
I am not confused about anything. I do this every day for real money and have a Great time doing it.
I clearly distinguished between the computer generated document and the original entry document and explained the circumstances under which the computer document might have been generated.
The references to the original entry document were to a copy posted by Fred which cut off the additional information and I specifically referenced that also. I don't think that has anything to do with the credibility of the basic document.
The fundamental proposition is that the purported Stanley original entry transcript is an indefensible fraud for all of the reasons I specified in my original post on the topic.
You need to read the material more carefully.
The U furnished Corsi with two purported transcripts. The first was a computer printout which was obviously not an original entry document because the University didn't use Computers for this purpose until the 80's or 90's.
The second document purported to be an original entry transcript. A two binder hole two column document with typewritten student information and a typewritten academic record for Spring Quarter 1962. The actual original entry transcript would have had 21 binder holes; been three columns; would have been hand written.
The form furnished--the two binder hole two column document was not in use until later periods. It doesn't prove anything about the information recorded and published--the fact that it is a fake suggests that the information is also false.
Kenneth Anderson and Martha Richmond were witnesses at the marriage of Raymond Doyle to Louise Estella Muth in Seattle in 1930...
got it.
and what makes you think that it hasn't already been released?
Released to whom? The general public or private parties with confidentiality agreements attached?
If it's been released to the public...got link?
Nah, I didn't think so.
I don't remember any claim or evidence that the second document was an “original entry transcript” which would be the first transcript for SADO at U of WA created to record the 1961-62 school year. IIRC it was just an earlier transcript image which could have been from any time prior to the migration of the system to a fully electronic transcript database, which generated the very recently produced computer printout.
As I pointed out, the second photo image has some computer output in the upper left which looks much more advanced than 1962 to me so of course it would not look like the original entry document but, rather a printout on custom forms from a partially automated system circa 1970’s, IMO. Onto this custom form (typical of that era with the HS transcript courses tightly programed to be recorded at the top, IIRC) some manual notations were made with a typewriter which the computer database hadn't yet been programmed to incorporate, that being the additional degrees at U of HI in the lower left.
IMO, it is obvious that the second transcript likely produced from a partial database conversion around 1970 and the updated with a typewriter over several years later would NOT look like the original entry transcript that you agree it does not look like.
BTW, who would possibly be motivated to forge such an extremely complicated and labor intensive document composed of mixed computer and typed elements and incorporating fields for the HS courses at the top showing Mercer HS, etc.? This makes the Bomford BC look like child's play!
Arguing against a forgery is that the latest computer printout from the U of WA matches the record on the older one. It is a state institution and all transcript processes are tightly controlled.
There is no motive, IMO, for Obots to forge something to try to place SADO in Seattle when her being in Seattle in Sept of 1961 destroys the “Dreams” narrative. And SADO at Seattle is confirmed by the INS docs. There is no motive that I can see for Obots to forge the INS docs which corroborate SADO at U of WA, as does the U of HI transcript. SADOs full HI transcript, not just the letter from the registrar, because Pastor Manning put it up in his most recent video...the one where he says Barry's dad can't be FM Davis because his real dad is THE DEVIL!
IIRC, Mary Toutonghi is a Caucasian Anglo who married a Lebanese man who through six degrees of separation is linked to Valerie Sarruf, who is claimed to be the mother of Barry in the mysterious Mal-Val narrative.
What is most peculiar is that Mary's only role in the Mal-Val narrative is to have been the babysitter in January 1961 not for Barry (supposedly her distant relation) but for the REAL i.e. original Barack Obama II, sometimes referred to as BHO2...who has grown up to be the man now known as Roman Obama, but at birth was an unknown son of BHO Sr. and whose mother was an unknown additional wife of BHO Sr. named Anna S. Obama thus matching the Polk registry for 1961, but she was not Stanley Ann, but rather Ann or Anna, the Asian lass seen sitting next to BHO Sr. at the Nachmanoff's party.
Bottom line, Mary Toutonghi does babysit her distant relative, Barry, but rather a totally unrelated unknown son of BHO Sr. who mysteriously comes to Seattle in 1961 INSTEAD OF Barry in the Mal-Val narrative.
This is stream of consciousness, not evidence, IMO! Ant it appears to be totally disconnected from whether Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf are Barry's parents.
If there is no public link and it has been released then that means someone is sitting on the info and doesn't want the general public to know what has been learned or else this has all been a ruse.
There's only so many ways this can go.
And yet you say this...
...I doubt if either you or the writer of this thread will ever see it.
You imply the information provided to "the proper parties" will never be released to the general public as you doubt I will ever see it.
Since you seem to be so "in the know" then tell me...is there, or isn't there, a plan to eventually release the information to the public?
I'm not asking what is known, I'm only asking if it will ever be presented to the public.
Or am I not privy to that know that either?
Bottom line, Mary Toutonghi does NOT babysit her distant relative, Barry, but rather a totally unrelated unknown son of BHO Sr. who mysteriously comes to Seattle in 1961 INSTEAD OF Barry in the Mal-Val narrative.
Fixed it. That is what I obviously intended.
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