Re:"Mal and Val - not Ann and the Old Man" Any evidence Valerie Sarruf is Obama's mom? (vanity)

Seizethecarp vanity commentary on Dr. Ron J. Polland youtube dated 08/07/11 ^ | August 1, 2012 | Seizethecarp (vanity)

[Brown Deer]

157 posted on Thursday, August 02, 2012 11:36:53 PM by philman_36
Hmmmmm...a prolonged silence.
How interesting.
159 posted on Friday, August 03, 2012 12:30:41 AM by philman_36

180 posted on Friday, August 03, 2012 10:49:40 AM by philman_36
Still waiting.
184 posted on Friday, August 03, 2012 11:16:10 AM by philman_36

The great thing about FR is that my replies will be here when he gets here and that's all that matters.

I'm glad you finally figured it out after 12 years.

Besides, I have no proof where Fred is other than his claim...

That's too bad, I do.

Have you been to Australia to meet him...

It's obvious that you haven't, based on these ignorant comments of yours.

Where are you from, if I may ask?

lol, why would you want to know? You seem to be out of the loop on all sorts of information. ;-)

I simply don't follow him to know.

Strange, that's not what I've noticed.

[Brown Deer]

The lovely governess Elisabeth agrees to bear a child of anonymous English landowner, and he will in return pay her father's debt. At birth she, as agreed, gives up the child.

[philman_36]

So in the end all you got is a big mouth, a bunch of guessing going on and no facts whatsoever.
Just as I figured.

This whole thing is a ruse and you get all pissy when someone doesn't swallow it hook line and sinker.

You're a perfect example of put up or shut up.
You can't put up so you should shut up. You won't do that though. You'll be back with more of the same inane BS you've thrown at me so far instead of proving what you claim.

I don't care how long somebody has been here.
Back up what you say.

You're useless to me otherwise.
And you should let other people answer for themselves instead of acting like you know what they would say.

[Seizethecarp]

First, ABrit, I appreciate you effort to post a comment that addresses the thread topic and your speculations comparing the Mal-Val narrative to the BHO Sr.-SADO narrative.

“If Obama is a year older than he now says, and his own web site originally admitted that fact, then he was likely born in 1960 and conceived in 1959.”

I wouldn't characterize a one-time typo or brain-f*rt by an underling setting up a webpage as either an admission or evidence of anything. Barry's birthdate of August 4, 1961 is found throughout his previous official bio and backed up by the FOIA INS docs as well as all of the previously discussed evidence in support of Stanley Ann as his mom in 1961.

“According to Martha Trowbridge, someone who looked like Valerie was present when Malcolm X was shot and also filmed at his funeral.”

An extremely weak hearsay claim, especially with no photo sufficient to perform computer facial recognition analysis, doesn't rise to the level of evidence of anything, especially five years after the latest conception date. Where was Valerie Sarruf when Malcolm was shot? That might be worth following up as a likely source of debunking evidence for that claim, but the shooting date or any date where Mal and Val were photographed together after 1960 would prove little.

“Malcolm X later said that seeing Muslims of “all colors, from blue-eyed blonds to black-skinned Africans”, interacting as equals led him to see Islam as a means by which racial problems could be overcome.”

But, according to Dr. Polland who put up the Mal-Val morphing video at the top of the thread, Valerie is a Lebanese Christian, NOT Muslim.

“Obama seems to have gone to Indonesia at a very young age, quite when he went there and where he was before seems a mystery.”

Barry is proved to have been on Stanley Ann's passport in 1967, IIRC, by having been struck off it under the names BHO and Soebarkah. There is no evidence that Barry was ever on Valerie Sarruf’s passport or anywhere near her at any time that I have seen. Big difference!

But thanks, again, for your contribution to the thread.

[Fred Nerks]

FIRELIGHT. Filmed in the US in 1996 iirc. She had a very small part, she’s the waitress wearing a bonnet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGUVSgX8Q1k&feature=related

[philman_36]

I'm glad you finally figured it out after 12 years.
After 13 years that's all you've got?! More childish "you're so stupid" quips? Pathetic!

Besides, I have no proof where Fred is other than his claim...
That's too bad, I do.
Good for you. Care to share that proof? Nah, I didn't think so.

Have you been to Australia to meet him...
It's obvious that you haven't, based on these ignorant comments of yours.
I'll take that as a no.

lol, why would you want to know?
I'm the curious sort. Why are you so reticent to answer my question?
What State are you from...how hard of a question to answer is that?

You seem to be out of the loop on all sorts of information.
Ah, perceptions. They're amazing things. Yours seems off.

[PhilDragoo]

Good catch, little jeremiah, revealing multilayered significance in contextualizing verification:

Of course there are truths amongst the lies...you just have to learn how to see beyond the lies. The biggest and best lie is the one that tries to tell us that the little boy on the left is someone named 'David' -

But you and I and a few thousand others...know who the two little boys really are, and why, after years of looking, no one can find 'David' - BECAUSE HE'S ZERO!

In Kurt Vonnegut's Cat's Cradle he disputes the hypnosis of the child's game, the visual is nothing like the script.

From the same novel:

nice, nice, very nice
so many people in the same device

Reality does not comport to the script of Cora Weiss, Bill Ayers, David Maraniss et al.

Here's the church, here's the steeple,
Open the doors and see all Obama's girlfriends

Oh, that's right:

He said it's a work of fiction--out of respect for the girlfriends

[Brown Deer]

The Avengers: Season 2, Episode 13
“Death Dispatch”

Filming begins: 22-Jun-62
Filming completed: 23-Jun-62
Released London: 22-Dec-62

http://www.dissolute.com.au/avweb/season2/213.html

This was the 4th episode shot for season 2. Most were shot within a month of broadcast. It was the first episode filmed with Honor Blackman as Cathy Gale.

http://www.dissolute.com.au/avweb/season2/index.html

The Sunday Night Playhouse would have been on a much tighter schedule because they broadcast every week of the year.

[little jeremiah]

I wouldn't characterize a one-time typo or brain-f*rt by an underling setting up a webpage as either an admission or evidence of anything.

Hmmmm.....

Getting his birthdate wrong more than one time (off the top of my head I can think of four times, aside from the FB page), and on his FB page, is a mere "brain fart".

Saying he was born in Kenya on a literary promotional page for 16 years - mere oversight by editor.

No photos of SAD with baby until Zero was at least 2 1/2 - the family wasn't the photographing kind. Despite the fact that several photos of SAD and baby Maya have turned up. No, they weren't the photographing kind...

No evidence SAD was in HI until 1963 - "Oh yes there is" even though provenance and authenticity is so dubious as to be useless.

"SAD was too in Seattle" - a forged transcript and a few changing stories from "old friends" who just happen to be 0bama for President supporters.

Pi** poor track record, I'd say.

[Brown Deer]

You can't put up so you should shut up.

Do you need a kleenex?

...instead of proving what you claim.

What is it, that I have claimed? and why should I prove anything to a nobody like you?

You're useless to me otherwise.

Do you think I care?

And you should let other people answer for themselves instead of acting like you know what they would say.

So in the end all you got is a big mouth, a bunch of guessing going on and no facts whatsoever.

Yes, you do.

LMAO @ the troll, you didn't learn anything, did you?

...and you get all pissy when someone doesn't swallow it hook line and sinker.

Really?

[little jeremiah]

Feet of lead and wings of tin
Around and around and around we spin.

Or something like that.

[Seizethecarp]

“Saying he was born in Kenya on a literary promotional page for 16 years - mere oversight by editor.”

The birth date is a separate matter from where Barry was born, but alternative narratives must coherently account for both date and place, or try to narrow down the range of both date and place.

Barry, himself, has only hearsay knowledge of where and when he was born and to whom absent an authentic BC, so what Barry has said about his date and place of birth must be backed up by secondary sources.

As you point out, for 16 or so years he had a very public birth narrative associated with his books of having been born in Kenya. There is no comparable consistent alternative birth date given by Barry or his agents that I have seen. Making note of those specific alternative ages and birth years should be done because it might reveal possible motives for having done so.

[little jeremiah]

Notable just for the bit part or the plot?

[little jeremiah]

He had six daughters with Betty X.

[philman_36]

I see nothing. I hear nothing. Whatever was found and turned over hasn't even been worthy of an announcement!
This ploy of "we're still working on it" is getting weak.

As time goes on and nothing is announced I'm not the one who is going to look the fool.

See you in a couple of months. (unless by some miracle this "research" is released early) One of us is going to "dine on crow".
I'll eat mine, if necessary. Will you eat yours?

[philman_36]

So who, in your opinion, is the Mother and Father of the man holding the office of POTUS?

[Brown Deer]

This ploy of "we're still working on it" is getting weak.

Where did I say that?

[philman_36]

Never mind. I found out.

Zero is the son of Malcolm Little aka Malcolm X aka El Hajj Malik Al-Shabazz and a Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf daughter of a professor at American University of Beirut Fuad Sarruf.

Sorry, I still only see conjecture based upon supposition.

[philman_36]

Where did I say that?
Did I say you said it?

You know, I got some very interesting returns under these keywords...brown deer Valerie Sarruf

It's like you took plenipotentiary's thread as a guide and simply ran with it only in a different direction.

[philman_36]

@ I believe Trowbridge's Jo Anne Newman is more of a label than a real intended name. She picked that name because the real Jo Anne Newman was an actress as is Barry's real mother. And Trowbridge has a pretty good idea of who she is but she is a real living person and Trowbridge doesn't have the critical piece of evidence to pin her and therefore doesn't want to take legal risk with her real name.

And yet we now can fill in the blank with Valerie Sarruf?

Still nothing but conjecture as far as I can tell.