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Re:"Mal and Val - not Ann and the Old Man" Any evidence Valerie Sarruf is Obama's mom? (vanity)
Seizethecarp vanity commentary on Dr. Ron J. Polland youtube dated 08/07/11 ^ | August 1, 2012 | Seizethecarp (vanity)

Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp

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To: philman_36
One thing that is known...

there's no 'splainin to do. ;-)
141 posted on 08/02/2012 7:27:30 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Fred Nerks
No, Michael, son of Joseph...the famous babysitter

Martin is an architect married to my cousin Keiku. Not the same as a software architect.
142 posted on 08/02/2012 7:40:15 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer

whoopsie! I did always get my Martins and Michaels mixed up, so he’s the son of the famous baby-sitter, and some people wonder why I think it’s NOT a good idea to use the names of LIVING people unless those living people have a big mouth like Mary Mary the Contrary Baby-sitter who can’t make up her mind when she baby-satted, was it January 1961 like she first said or was it when the boy was seven months old, when her own daughter who was born in July 1959 was 18 months old - or was it early in 1962, a whole year later than she first said...maybe her son could lend her a computer and she can work it all out for us. I can’t.


143 posted on 08/02/2012 7:48:09 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Seizethecarp; LucyT; Fred Nerks; Brown Deer; little jeremiah; Fractal Trader; hoosiermama
I do not believe I did any such thing. IIRC, you were confused about what document you were looking at, which was partially computer generated (most likely in the late 1970’s) and you failed to note the hand-typed U of HI graduate degrees recorded in the lower right-hand corner.

I am not confused about anything. I do this every day for real money and have a Great time doing it.

I clearly distinguished between the computer generated document and the original entry document and explained the circumstances under which the computer document might have been generated.

The references to the original entry document were to a copy posted by Fred which cut off the additional information and I specifically referenced that also. I don't think that has anything to do with the credibility of the basic document.

The fundamental proposition is that the purported Stanley original entry transcript is an indefensible fraud for all of the reasons I specified in my original post on the topic.

144 posted on 08/02/2012 8:11:18 PM PDT by David
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To: Seizethecarp; LucyT; Fred Nerks; Brown Deer; little jeremiah; Fractal Trader; hoosiermama
What I said was that the document in question was NOT a 1961 transcript, but a late 1970’s transcript which was partially computer generated beyond 1961 and with notations in the lower left typed in to record SADOS’s graduate degrees in HI in the late 1960’s and early 1970’s... all on the U of WA transcript.

You need to read the material more carefully.

The U furnished Corsi with two purported transcripts. The first was a computer printout which was obviously not an original entry document because the University didn't use Computers for this purpose until the 80's or 90's.

The second document purported to be an original entry transcript. A two binder hole two column document with typewritten student information and a typewritten academic record for Spring Quarter 1962. The actual original entry transcript would have had 21 binder holes; been three columns; would have been hand written.

The form furnished--the two binder hole two column document was not in use until later periods. It doesn't prove anything about the information recorded and published--the fact that it is a fake suggests that the information is also false.

145 posted on 08/02/2012 8:20:36 PM PDT by David
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To: Fred Nerks; David


146 posted on 08/02/2012 8:24:15 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer
there's no 'splainin to do.
Then I look forward to the information being released and all of this speculation can end.
147 posted on 08/02/2012 8:28:26 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
Then I look forward to the information being released and all of this speculation can end.

You're looking forward to it? What makes you think that it will be shown to you? and what makes you think that it hasn't already been released?
148 posted on 08/02/2012 8:38:57 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer

Kenneth Anderson and Martha Richmond were witnesses at the marriage of Raymond Doyle to Louise Estella Muth in Seattle in 1930...

got it.


149 posted on 08/02/2012 8:41:00 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Brown Deer
What makes you think that it will be shown to you?
Well I'm part of the public, aren't I? Or are you saying that the information is never going to be released to the public?

and what makes you think that it hasn't already been released?
Released to whom? The general public or private parties with confidentiality agreements attached?

If it's been released to the public...got link?

Nah, I didn't think so.

150 posted on 08/02/2012 8:49:57 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: David
“The second document purported to be an original entry transcript. A two binder hole two column document with typewritten student information and a typewritten academic record for Spring Quarter 1962.”

I don't remember any claim or evidence that the second document was an “original entry transcript” which would be the first transcript for SADO at U of WA created to record the 1961-62 school year. IIRC it was just an earlier transcript image which could have been from any time prior to the migration of the system to a fully electronic transcript database, which generated the very recently produced computer printout.

As I pointed out, the second photo image has some computer output in the upper left which looks much more advanced than 1962 to me so of course it would not look like the original entry document but, rather a printout on custom forms from a partially automated system circa 1970’s, IMO. Onto this custom form (typical of that era with the HS transcript courses tightly programed to be recorded at the top, IIRC) some manual notations were made with a typewriter which the computer database hadn't yet been programmed to incorporate, that being the additional degrees at U of HI in the lower left.

IMO, it is obvious that the second transcript likely produced from a partial database conversion around 1970 and the updated with a typewriter over several years later would NOT look like the original entry transcript that you agree it does not look like.

BTW, who would possibly be motivated to forge such an extremely complicated and labor intensive document composed of mixed computer and typed elements and incorporating fields for the HS courses at the top showing Mercer HS, etc.? This makes the Bomford BC look like child's play!

Arguing against a forgery is that the latest computer printout from the U of WA matches the record on the older one. It is a state institution and all transcript processes are tightly controlled.

There is no motive, IMO, for Obots to forge something to try to place SADO in Seattle when her being in Seattle in Sept of 1961 destroys the “Dreams” narrative. And SADO at Seattle is confirmed by the INS docs. There is no motive that I can see for Obots to forge the INS docs which corroborate SADO at U of WA, as does the U of HI transcript. SADOs full HI transcript, not just the letter from the registrar, because Pastor Manning put it up in his most recent video...the one where he says Barry's dad can't be FM Davis because his real dad is THE DEVIL!

151 posted on 08/02/2012 8:55:46 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: philman_36
If it's been released to the public...got link?

What makes you think that it will be shown to you?

The general public or private parties with confidentiality agreements attached?

I don't believe that there is anything confidential about any of this information, but I doubt if either you or the writer of this thread will ever see it.
152 posted on 08/02/2012 9:09:24 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: David; Seizethecarp; LucyT; Fred Nerks; little jeremiah; Fractal Trader; hoosiermama
I do this every day for real money and have a Great time doing it.

and most of the "researchers" that seizethecarp has referenced, started researching this subject long before the arrival of seizethecarp at FR and have also been here about ten years longer than seizethecarp who didn't appear here until relatively recently.

and most of those same "researchers" have access to certain people that seizethecarp does not have access to. Why does he believe that he is going to bully people into sharing details that have already been shared with the proper parties?

I'm also surprised that seizethecarp continues to argue with a distinguished and reputable professional who was actually there during the time in question and has seen the actual books since then.
153 posted on 08/02/2012 9:09:51 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Fred Nerks
“Mary the Contrary Baby-sitter who can’t make up her mind when she baby-satted, was it January 1961 like she first said or was it when the boy was seven months old, when her own daughter who was born in July 1959 was 18 months old - or was it early in 1962, a whole year later than she first said...maybe her son could lend her a computer and she can work it all out for us.”

IIRC, Mary Toutonghi is a Caucasian Anglo who married a Lebanese man who through six degrees of separation is linked to Valerie Sarruf, who is claimed to be the mother of Barry in the mysterious Mal-Val narrative.

What is most peculiar is that Mary's only role in the Mal-Val narrative is to have been the babysitter in January 1961 not for Barry (supposedly her distant relation) but for the REAL i.e. original Barack Obama II, sometimes referred to as BHO2...who has grown up to be the man now known as Roman Obama, but at birth was an unknown son of BHO Sr. and whose mother was an unknown additional wife of BHO Sr. named Anna S. Obama thus matching the Polk registry for 1961, but she was not Stanley Ann, but rather Ann or Anna, the Asian lass seen sitting next to BHO Sr. at the Nachmanoff's party.

Bottom line, Mary Toutonghi does babysit her distant relative, Barry, but rather a totally unrelated unknown son of BHO Sr. who mysteriously comes to Seattle in 1961 INSTEAD OF Barry in the Mal-Val narrative.

This is stream of consciousness, not evidence, IMO! Ant it appears to be totally disconnected from whether Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf are Barry's parents.

154 posted on 08/02/2012 9:10:29 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp
Mary Toutonghi is a Caucasian Anglo who married a Lebanese man who through six degrees of separation is linked to Valerie Sarruf...

Not exactly. Her parents were immigrants just like her husband. Her husband and Valerie are 2d cousins.

Yet you believe that it is significant that some man who lived 400 years ago, might be related to your president because his name rhymes with the name of an ancestor of Madelyn Payne Dunham?

Bottom line, Mary Toutonghi does babysit her distant relative...

Does she? Have you listened to what she said in her stories?
155 posted on 08/02/2012 9:28:09 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer
I don't believe that there is anything confidential about any of this information, but I doubt if either you or the writer of this thread will ever see it.
Why not? Your comment indicates the information will never see the light of day with the general public.
If it's not confidential and if it's been released to the public then what's the deal? Give a link if you have one.

If there is no public link and it has been released then that means someone is sitting on the info and doesn't want the general public to know what has been learned or else this has all been a ruse.

There's only so many ways this can go.

156 posted on 08/02/2012 9:30:43 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Brown Deer
...sharing details that have already been shared with the proper parties?

And yet you say this...
...I doubt if either you or the writer of this thread will ever see it.
You imply the information provided to "the proper parties" will never be released to the general public as you doubt I will ever see it.

Since you seem to be so "in the know" then tell me...is there, or isn't there, a plan to eventually release the information to the public?
I'm not asking what is known, I'm only asking if it will ever be presented to the public.

Or am I not privy to that know that either?

157 posted on 08/02/2012 9:36:53 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Brown Deer

Bottom line, Mary Toutonghi does NOT babysit her distant relative, Barry, but rather a totally unrelated unknown son of BHO Sr. who mysteriously comes to Seattle in 1961 INSTEAD OF Barry in the Mal-Val narrative.

Fixed it. That is what I obviously intended.


158 posted on 08/02/2012 10:02:10 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Brown Deer
Hmmmmm...a prolonged silence.
How interesting.
159 posted on 08/02/2012 10:30:41 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Seizethecarp
Fixed it. That is what I obviously intended.

Are you sure about that? I don't think you really know what she did or didn't do.
160 posted on 08/02/2012 11:21:27 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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