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Just a Little Venting
My head | Wharthog1775

Posted on 08/05/2012 6:50:59 PM PDT by Wharthog1775

I know everyone is worked up about the presidential election but let's talk about something else for a moment. Lets talk about citizenship, the 2nd amendment, and the supreme court. Starting with citizenship, why are we born citizens? I think Heinlein had it right. Everyone, even the natural born Americans should have to earn citizenship. Everyone born here should have basic inalienable rights, but they should not be able to vote unless they are a citizen. Military service should guaranty citizenship assuming there was no dishonorable discharge. Otherwise you should have to keep your nose clean graduate high school and do something for the good others or the good of the nation then apply for citizenship. Some of the best citizens of this country had to earn it. They have respect for this great Republic, unlike all the pansies out there who curse the constitution, and the founding principals while leaving the gate wide open for free loading degenerates that come here illegally. I say send them all back and embrace the concept of earned citizenship for all.

As for the second amendment, it is not for us to hunt, it's there for us to have a means of defending ourselves from a tyrannical government. That is what it's for. Every citizen should be able to carry a gun at all times to defend them selves from the government when a final crack down happens. You should be able to carry any concealed weapon assuming you are not a felon so that you can have an escalation of force when killing isn't necessary. In fact I believe that there should be no tax stamp for silencers and automatic weapons. Currently you can only buy automatic weapons that where built before 1986. That is unconstitutional and was put in place to drive up the cost so that you average Joe couldn't purchase one.

Now the supreme court. Rarely do they come to a reasonable decision. Most of the time they screw us and there appointed for life. I got two words for all you freepers. "Term Limits"


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; immigration; thesupremecourt; venting

1 posted on 08/05/2012 6:51:11 PM PDT by Wharthog1775
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To: Wharthog1775
Everyone, even the natural born Americans
should have to earn citizenship.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Troopers

I agree with this one
Citizenship should be an earned status

Lets say...
Three years of service to the Country
Could be Military, CCC, or other Service, but

Must be Under Command,
Served Faithfully,
Discharged Honorably

2 posted on 08/05/2012 7:06:02 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: Wharthog1775

graduate high school
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Gee! All this extra time in a godless socialist indoctrination camp, how is this going to help citizenship?


3 posted on 08/05/2012 7:06:02 PM PDT by wintertime (:-))
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To: Wharthog1775

You can always leave the country.


4 posted on 08/05/2012 7:06:21 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: HangnJudge; Wharthog1775

Not a chance. That makes the individual a servant of the state, not the other way around. It means our rights are not inherent but are at the whim of the state. It is akin to how feudal systems operate.
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5 posted on 08/05/2012 7:14:22 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring

Indeed, it is slavery.


6 posted on 08/05/2012 7:20:17 PM PDT by wintertime (:-))
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To: Wharthog1775

How come when we speak of the importance of preserving (for example) Mexican culture, which is like tacos, salsa music, donkeys, having lots of children, and working hard, we can’t similarly extol the virtues of American culture, which is driving around in cars, eating too much junk food, inventing incredible stuff, television, sports, and yes, the ability and more importantly the right to own firearms?


7 posted on 08/05/2012 7:21:05 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (This stuff we're going through now, this is nothing compared to the middle ages.)
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To: Wharthog1775

Voting should be weighted based on your tax returns, The more taxes you pay the more your vote counts. Say 1 vote for every 5K in federal tax for the previous 4 years. This one “man” = one vote thing is BS. Anyone on public assistance doest not get to vote.


8 posted on 08/05/2012 7:22:13 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: mnehring

It effectively begins to change the constitution to “You have these rights if....”.

I think I prefer my rights God given.


9 posted on 08/05/2012 7:27:50 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: HangnJudge

Military. Not anything else. No Community Service, no nothing. You wanna vote, you join the Military and do your time. You dont want to vote, you can join any damn thing else.

You can’t make it through boot camp. No problem, you tried and you can’t vote. Se la freakin vida loca. Don’t like it, you get a free one way ticket to, Communist China, North Korea, Iran, ........even Syria.


10 posted on 08/05/2012 7:31:38 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: HangnJudge

Military. Not anything else. No Community Service, no nothing. You wanna vote, you join the Military and do your time. You dont want to vote, you can join any damn thing else.

You can’t make it through boot camp. No problem, you tried and you can’t vote. Se la freakin vida loca. Don’t like it, you get a free one way ticket to, Communist China, North Korea, Iran, ........even Syria.


11 posted on 08/05/2012 7:31:51 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: TomasUSMC

pardon the double post


12 posted on 08/05/2012 7:34:55 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: mnehring

Earned Citizenship is the first step in creating a Meritocracy
IMHO - the Republic is Broken and must be Replaced

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meritocracy

It is a very durable form of Governance


13 posted on 08/05/2012 7:40:04 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: mnehring

Agreed.


14 posted on 08/05/2012 7:45:30 PM PDT by 383rr (Those who choose security over liberty deserve neither; GUN CONTROL= SLAVERY)
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To: TomasUSMC

Veterans vote should count 5x. Weighted vote.


15 posted on 08/05/2012 7:50:21 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Wharthog1775
Earning rights can be a good idea, but everything depends on the good guys being in charge of the establishment that issues the merit.

Mandatory military service for citizenship is OK, unless the military is allied with the Muslim Brotherhood under orders from a Muslim CIC, and is assisting the MB in cleansing Christians from States that don't wish to be part of the World Caliphate.

I would have trouble serving in that military.

Same with graduating from public school government indoctrination center. I would have trouble with that, also.

Note my tagline.

16 posted on 08/05/2012 7:59:33 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Wharthog1775
"...they should not be able to vote unless they are a citizen. Military service should guaranty citizenship assuming there was no dishonorable discharge. Otherwise you should have to keep your nose clean graduate high school..."

..."graduate high school" and what, beside being indoctrinated in a commie public school by commies? Do women's studies? I don't think so.

And I did military service. If you're going to require that for voting, let's go all the way. Only those of us who were enlisted (not officers) in ground combat specialties (no girls) really paid our dues. [Little irony and sarcasm there, my former commanders.]

Or how about setting a lower income threshold? Oh, yeah, that would go over good.

Or like cripplecreek said, you can always leave the country. This is my United States of Whatever, and all of my numerous descendents will be populating this country, too! So maybe you'll consider it to be overpopulated. Not me.


17 posted on 08/05/2012 8:10:27 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: cripplecreek
Forgot to ping you to #17. ;-)


18 posted on 08/05/2012 8:15:43 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: mnehring
That makes the individual a servant of the state

As was said before,
Rights are inherent to all
They are not infringed

However...
If one does not Serve the Country,
The Country is not obligated to Serve back
The Obligating of Service is Mutual

This includes ALL the Social Supports

There is no Obligation to Serve the Country
You are Free to do what You Will
But the Social Services of the Government are for those Served

Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Government Schools, etc.
Voting in an innate aspect of this
A Vote is a Command to the Government to do your Will
The Government is not Commanded
unless one has served Under Command

19 posted on 08/05/2012 8:17:54 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: Wharthog1775

I would go along with the military requirement, if the 19th Amendment were gone first. ;-)


20 posted on 08/05/2012 8:18:40 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: wintertime

I should have included my opinions on the school system. My apologies. I am an advocate for abolishing the current socialist indoctrination camps as you call them. If it were up to me, which it’s not, I would leave education at the local level. If we fixed it high school wouldn’t be so bad to have under your belt.


21 posted on 08/05/2012 8:23:53 PM PDT by Wharthog1775
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To: mnehring

All rights but the vote would be inherent to non citizens


22 posted on 08/05/2012 8:24:06 PM PDT by Wharthog1775
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To: TomasUSMC

I did say, “and do something for the good others or the good of the nation.” I haven’t decided on specifics yet, but yes community service would show some dedication to your fellow man and it would be admirable.


23 posted on 08/05/2012 8:24:34 PM PDT by Wharthog1775
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To: familyop

Your reaching a bit at the end there.


24 posted on 08/05/2012 8:24:48 PM PDT by Wharthog1775
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To: central_va

“Veterans vote should count 5x. Weighted vote.”

Agreed! And were we to do that, the veteran percentage of the vote would be just about where it was after the two World Wars. America was a better place.


25 posted on 08/05/2012 8:25:20 PM PDT by elcid1970 (Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind. Deus vult!)
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To: TomasUSMC

The problem with all of this is that rights are granted by our creator.

And I know Marines think they are God...but I never saw one walk on the water to a fight.

(just kidding Tomas)


26 posted on 08/05/2012 8:25:39 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just hate our government. All of them. Republican and Democrat.)
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To: Wharthog1775

You do realize that after the race hustlers, activists, community organizers, special interests groups, politicians, and lawyers (basically every corrupt faction in the country) have their say, liberals would make sure to weed out those who they determine won’t use their vote the “right” way.

Guess who gets weeded out and never gets to vote.

No thanks.


27 posted on 08/05/2012 9:32:40 PM PDT by Heart of Georgia (Boston's mayor is anti-Christian and anti-free speech.)
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To: Wharthog1775
Why would you want to "earn" citizenship, when we keep seeing you lose more and more rights because of it? If you are not a citizen, you have more rights, and less obligations.




28 posted on 08/05/2012 9:54:12 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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