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Romney lied? Gee who would have guessed.
IX / X / MMXII | pansgold

Posted on 09/10/2012 9:06:27 AM PDT by pansgold

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To: svcw

Are you displeased because you got what you gave?

Please do not play the innocent, we both know better.

You still dance around the central issue I stated, but I expected as much.


101 posted on 09/10/2012 12:17:04 PM PDT by exit82 (Pass the word: Obama is a FAILURE!! Democrats are the enemies of freedom!)
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To: exit82

Oh, hell no.
Just don’t pretend that Romney supporters are innocent.
Just what is your central issue?
I love to dance, so please inform me.


102 posted on 09/10/2012 12:23:10 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: svcw

Central issue? It has been repeated in almost every post to you by me on this thread. You haven’t been paying attention.


103 posted on 09/10/2012 12:42:52 PM PDT by exit82 (Pass the word: Obama is a FAILURE!! Democrats are the enemies of freedom!)
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To: kevkrom
There were actually a few decent ideas that snuck into the bill (not that anyone would have known, as nobody read it).

And letting so-called 27-year-old "children" use their parents' health insurance wasn't one of them. Letting able-bodied people in the prime of their life mooch off of others is one of the main reasons the welfare state is collapsing as fast as it is. And whether it's through state-run welfare or mandating the private sector provide welfare, it's the same thing. It lets these people survive while sitting at home doing nothing and not contributing to the tax base or the economy.

104 posted on 09/10/2012 12:43:09 PM PDT by JediJones (Grow your own dope...plant a Democrat.)
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To: exit82
Well, obviously you haven't been clear.

Let me tell you what my central issue is: the defeat of liberalism.

105 posted on 09/10/2012 12:45:13 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: pansgold
Read over. I have been posting here since 1994. The page was modified date is meaningless.

pansgold
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Signup dates don't lie and Free Republic didn't exist in any form in 1994.

106 posted on 09/10/2012 1:07:29 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: exit82
You actually think the GOP-e cares about you and is paying attention to you? I don’t suffer under that delusion.That train left the station earlier this year.

So why do you choose to sustain the GOP-E through giving them a vote you freely state they don't care about?

107 posted on 09/10/2012 1:12:16 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Conservatism is not a matter of convenience.)
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To: svcw

You are absolutely, totally wrong.

The House and the Senate will repeal and he will sign without hesitation.

That will be true of lots of other things as well.


108 posted on 09/10/2012 1:15:02 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: Admin Moderator

Just a question, when did FR start officially with accounts?
Didn’t FR have sort of a DOS formatted posting page then or soon after?
My first post was during the Clinton/Linda Tripp going on’s.
I think you did not have to sign up for an account, just posts. Have no memory of having an official account for a really long time, but I was posting.
I remember it, congratulated her on her bravery, then said she should get her hair cut, which followed by me being scolded, by FR women. ;-)
In the whole scheme of things, not earth shattering, just wondering.


109 posted on 09/10/2012 1:16:33 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: bert

I understand that is the hope.
How are you squaring your hope with what Romney is saying?


110 posted on 09/10/2012 1:18:12 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Admin Moderator

Ive been on FR since 1927


111 posted on 09/10/2012 1:21:06 PM PDT by woofie (It takes three villages and a forest of woodland creatures to raise a child in Obamaville)
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To: svcw

I don’t lie about what he is saying. I have no worn out dull ax to grind.


112 posted on 09/10/2012 1:21:48 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: exit82; svcw

The central issue, IMHO, is whether the ends justify the means. It is true no candidate is perfect, but when the relative evil of both candidates exceeds the objective limits of true evil, choosing either one becomes a moral evil. The only justifications being offered are that 1) Romney is not as bad as we think he is, or 2) even if Romney was Lenin reincarnate, he would be better than Obama, because Obama is the worst possible choice.

The first premise is mere wishful thinking, and the second is nothing but moral relativism at it worst. Picture rats in a maze, prodded forward by fear of electric shock. They will choose whatever path the maze masters make less painful, a choice of evils. There is no cheese at the end of that labyrinth. Only a demonstration of total dictatorial control, driven entirely by fear.

But to make it even more sadistic, the rats must chose their lesser pain collectively, such that dissenters, those who object to the vile manipulations of tyranny, are compelled by their fellow victims to join the mindless pack or pay the price of independent thinking.

What each self respecting lab rat needs to do at this point is stop running which ever way they are told to run, to endure the pain of the maze master’s electrodes, and get out of that maze, whatever it takes. You will never win as long as you allow your would-be overlords to set the rules. Those rules must come from a higher authority. Principle, grounded in universal truth, is the true enemy of tyranny. It gives you power to endure the pain of those who would control you, allows you to keep marching in the right direction, no matter the distractions or obstacles thrown in your way.

Or, to put it more elegantly, if you will follow your Creator, and not your fear, you will know what is true, and it will set you free.


113 posted on 09/10/2012 1:24:50 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: bert

I never said you lied, never even implied it.

I asked how you square your hope of repeal of obamacare, with what Romney is saying now.


114 posted on 09/10/2012 1:27:03 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: svcw; Jim Robinson
Just a question, when did FR start officially with accounts?

Officially, although FR has been around longer than this:
Jim Robinson
Account # 1
Signup 1997-11-28

115 posted on 09/10/2012 1:28:54 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Springfield Reformer
Or, to put it more elegantly, if you will follow your Creator, and not your fear, you will know what is true, and it will set you free.
116 posted on 09/10/2012 1:31:44 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Admin Moderator

Thanks


117 posted on 09/10/2012 1:32:46 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: woofie

Newb
I’ve been here since the Civil War!
Oh wait, they’re still fighting it here, I may have my dates confused.


118 posted on 09/10/2012 1:36:21 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Then I guess you get Obama. Good luck with that.


119 posted on 09/10/2012 1:42:24 PM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country. Really NOW!!!!)
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To: Springfield Reformer; svcw

Very elegant, but illogical.

It is not moral relativism to choose between a Communist and a RINO, it is a matter of survival for the nation.

You place yourself on a pedestal where supposedly there is no fear, but you fear making a decision in the best interests of the nation at this point in time, becasue of your intellectual purity, leaving such a weighty matter to your moral inferiors.

So be it.


120 posted on 09/10/2012 1:43:27 PM PDT by exit82 (Pass the word: Obama is a FAILURE!! Democrats are the enemies of freedom!)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

It is the nation I care about, not the GOP-E.

I could not have made that more clear. It was the poster I responded to that cared about “sending a message” to the GOP-E.


121 posted on 09/10/2012 1:45:51 PM PDT by exit82 (Pass the word: Obama is a FAILURE!! Democrats are the enemies of freedom!)
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To: svcw

If your central issue is indedd the “defeat of liberalism”, you can start by making your vote count against the biggest liberal of all: Barack Obama.

But then, that would screw up your whole moral construct.


122 posted on 09/10/2012 1:47:42 PM PDT by exit82 (Pass the word: Obama is a FAILURE!! Democrats are the enemies of freedom!)
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123 posted on 09/10/2012 1:52:06 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: exit82

I am absolutely fascinated by your apparent mind reading abilities.
obama is a liberal, Romney is a liberal.
I am apposed to liberalism.
My vote will count.
The only votes not counted are the ones not cast.


124 posted on 09/10/2012 2:17:08 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: svcw

Of the two parties to this discussion, I am not the liar


125 posted on 09/10/2012 2:18:08 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: dirtymac
I am so sick of these idiots that will attack our candidate

Mittens is not my candidate - I'm a conservative.

Then I guess you get Obama.

Wrong - I get the Constitution Party.

126 posted on 09/10/2012 2:18:56 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: bert

Again, I never said you lied.

All I did was ask how you square your hope that Romney is going to repeal obamacare with what he is saying now.

How hard is that to understand?


127 posted on 09/10/2012 2:25:57 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
I get The Constitution Party

Nobody will ever get The Constitution Party. What a waste of perfectly good Democrat enablers.

128 posted on 09/10/2012 2:39:33 PM PDT by Chunga (Ron Paul is a fruitcakey jackass.)
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To: Chunga
Nobody will ever get The Constitution Party.

With enough Constitution Party votes, the GOP may get the message - which would be, "We're off the GOP-e plantation."

129 posted on 09/10/2012 2:45:09 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

With enough Constitution Party votes, Obama will win...then it’s goodbye America


130 posted on 09/10/2012 2:52:31 PM PDT by Chunga (Ron Paul is a fruitcakey jackass.)
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To: svcw

There is no problem. The repeal is a sure thing if the House and the senate and Romney are all in place. All have said they will repeal. The House has voted on it over and over.

You are certainly left out in the cold by cling to ridiculous arguments that are effectively lies.


131 posted on 09/10/2012 3:00:38 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: bert

(((eye roll)))


132 posted on 09/10/2012 3:09:05 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: exit82

LOL! Such gobbledygook. My fear is of God, not of making a decision for the benefit of my country. It is the most logical thing in the world to respect God first. He runs the table, despite the fondest wishes of the left. Why should I defy Him? So that good will come of it? Adopting a belief that the ends justifies the means would turn me into a leftist. I would rather die. It’s not about some abstract “purity.” That’s a clever red herring but it won’t work. I love God. I simply cannot choose what God forbids. You may recall we got into this condition of human misery because our first parents were only too eager to be decisive about believing the serpent rather than trusting God. Look where that “decisiveness” has got us.


133 posted on 09/10/2012 3:28:27 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer

Got it.

You are too heavenly minded to be of any earthly good.

Keep looking for the perfect solution to the perfect problem. I think Diiogenes has a spare lamp for you.

God raises leaders and He makes them fall.

He has also been known to use ungodly leaders to either chastise His people or to save them from oppression.

You can argue the moral superiority of your stand, but the choic
Ce before you remains.

Will you work against evil staring you in the face, or will you rationalize inaction or acquiescence?

In 40 years of voting I have never seen a more pressing moral choice to be made between the two leading candidates, so it is a bit incredulous to see the moral posturing of those who would rather punt than make a choice.

To each his own.


134 posted on 09/10/2012 3:57:21 PM PDT by exit82 (Pass the word: Obama is a FAILURE!! Democrats are the enemies of freedom!)
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To: svcw

All votes can be counted, but only some votes will count.

You don’t need to be a mind reader to figure that out.


135 posted on 09/10/2012 4:00:52 PM PDT by exit82 (Pass the word: Obama is a FAILURE!! Democrats are the enemies of freedom!)
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To: exit82

Every vote cast, will be counted, not really sure how you do not know that.
I will not vote for liberalism, it’s that simple, sorry if you have a problem with that.


136 posted on 09/10/2012 4:26:05 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Chunga
With enough Constitution Party votes, the GOP may get the message - which would be, "We're off the GOP-e plantation."

With enough Constitution Party votes, Obama will win...then it’s goodbye America

We need to hit the sweet spot: not enough for the GOP to lose, but enough to make them sweat. If the RINOs take permanent ownership of the GOP, then it’s goodbye America.

137 posted on 09/10/2012 4:30:54 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: exit82

Shrug. Like my dad used to say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink. I’ve been voting for about as long as you. If my elder brother and my dad were alive to see the choices we now have before us, they wouldn’t be able to rationalize voting for either of these losers either. It’s amazing the stink you can get used to over time. Suit yourself.

BTW, yes, God raises up kings and takes them down. But unlike Romney, I have no desire to be God. I have the choice before me of relying on God, or putting my trust in an enemy of God. This really is a no brainer, and like you, I am shocked to see all the swaggering of moral superiority by those who think the only way to save the country is to throw away the principles that make the country worth saving. I never thought I’d see it. And if we all have to start wearing 666 to save the country, will that finally be a bridge too far for you? I can just imagine the threads. But I am glad my late parents and my brother are not here to see this. They were truly from a different time.


138 posted on 09/10/2012 5:15:25 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: pansgold
Let 0bama finish trashing Amerika with 4 more years.

Dumbest effing comment on FR this month!!

You may not care, but I do ...for my kid's sake, and my grand-kid's sake.

We are at the tipping point. There's no four more years as if we can just get serious in 2016 and reverse the damage.

Only one thing on my mind these days - Get rid of Obama now!

139 posted on 09/10/2012 5:23:11 PM PDT by The Citizen Soldier
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
A vote for the Constitution Party is also a vote against Obama.

Stop and think for a moment. How many Obama voters would consider voting for the Constitution Party? How many conservatives might find the Constitution Party attractive? So, from whom do you think the Constitution Party will get its votes? Keep in mind, this election will have a winner, but there is no way it will be the Constitution Party!

A vote for the Constitution Party is a vote for a second Obama Regime.

140 posted on 09/10/2012 5:39:49 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Sorry...I’m not willing to go for the sweet spot with the country on the line.


141 posted on 09/10/2012 5:49:15 PM PDT by Chunga (Ron Paul is a fruitcakey jackass.)
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To: pansgold
Team Øbama thanks you for your support.


ps: the friend of my enemy is my enemy

142 posted on 09/10/2012 5:55:36 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: pansgold

You’re one dumbass troll, you know that?


143 posted on 09/10/2012 6:00:19 PM PDT by Chunga (Ron Paul is a fruitcakey jackass.)
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To: cynwoody
So, from whom do you think the Constitution Party will get its votes?

Conservatives who don't vote for liberals.

Keep in mind, this election will have a winner, but there is no way it will be the Constitution Party!

The win comes in letting the GOP-e know we're off their plantation.

A vote for the Constitution Party is a vote for a second Obama Regime.

No, it's a vote for the Constitution Party - and a vote for 0bama is a vote for 0bama - and a vote for Mittens is a vote for a liberal.

144 posted on 09/10/2012 7:32:43 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JohnKinAK

“Hell, my bet is that Oromney will be told to take a dive in the 9th round so that Obama can continue as TOTUS.”

Other way around. The clumsy Obama was waking the sleeping giant. A more stealthy freedom burglar is needed, and has been furnished.


145 posted on 09/11/2012 5:47:16 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Where would Christianity be if the early believers put their hopes and trust in the Roman empire?)
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To: Springfield Reformer

Beautifully stated. Pearls before swine, however.


146 posted on 09/11/2012 5:51:48 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Where would Christianity be if the early believers put their hopes and trust in the Roman empire?)
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To: pansgold
This ONE thing means he's not getting my vote. Let 0bama finish trashing Amerika with 4 more years.

You can't fix stupid.

147 posted on 09/11/2012 6:31:31 AM PDT by Mountain Bike Vomit Carnage (You had me at 'Meat Tornado'.)
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To: Psalm 144

Yeah, under Oromney all the so-called Conservatives will go to sleep as Liberty is demolished. Freedom is screwed under either one of these infanticide loving collectivists.


148 posted on 09/11/2012 7:00:21 AM PDT by JohnKinAK
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

>> Wrong - I get the Constitution Party.

Yeah, sure you will.

But eventually you’ll have to wake up from your hopium pipe dream and face four more years of reality with either Romney or Obama.

BETWEEN THOSE TWO, which would you prefer?


149 posted on 09/11/2012 7:55:55 AM PDT by Nervous Tick ("You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.")
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To: Springfield Reformer

>> My fear is of God

Reformer, I appreciate and respect your posts, especially on issues of Christian belief.

But I just can’t connect the dots in your doctrinal argument that voting for Romney is somehow a sin.


150 posted on 09/11/2012 7:58:46 AM PDT by Nervous Tick ("You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.")
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