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Shocking Moment Cop floored woman with savage sucker punch during parade
DailyMail ^ | October 1, 2012 | Daily Mail Reporter

Posted on 10/01/2012 3:31:28 PM PDT by Altariel

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To: Oztrich Boy

Is that him? The guy has a friggin’ pierced nipple! Yuck!


201 posted on 10/01/2012 9:35:00 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: rottndog
When this thread started it was postulated that the police misstook her as the one who threw something at them -- string or water -- and she was just an innocent bystander crossing the street. But she was not innocent in this.

She was over close to the police incident at the start of this video and seemingly agitated and saying something to the police to get their attention or a rise out of them. And when they did she immediately retreated.

The officer should not have hit her but she should not have been mouthing off at them either. She might have been trying to start a riot and wouldn't shut her pie hole.

202 posted on 10/01/2012 9:48:56 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

It doesn’t matter if she taunted the police or not. He wronged her. His behavior is caught on video and substantiated.

There is no “but”. You are trying to weakly justify his behavior.

“He shouldn’t have hit her.” Period. He is responsible for his behavior, not her behavior.


203 posted on 10/01/2012 9:51:05 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Uncle Chip

The decision to punch the young woman came from within the officer. His sin nature. His desire to hit her.

You keep trying to blame the victim of his blow for his decision to hit her.

The victim is not responsible for the behavior of the assailant. The assailant is responsible for the behavior of the assailant. Period.


204 posted on 10/01/2012 9:54:19 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel
He shouldn't have hit her and she shouldn't have been taunting the police. And whoever put this video out should not have lied about the BS string theory. Yhat was a lie.

At first I was with you on this but a closer look shows that she was taunting the police, trying to get their attention or anger them in some way to overreact toward her. Start there and then place blame for the punch/slap if you must but don't start with a lie.

205 posted on 10/01/2012 9:58:28 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Again, you are still trying to put the blame onto the young woman, not the officer.

I’m sure that is very appealing to the sin nature of the officer, but regardless of what she said or did not say to the officer, she is not responsible for his behavior.

Anything she said or did prior to his commission of battery is irrelevant. *He* decided to commit battery.

No conservative should make excuses for a man who punches a woman. Let the progressives defend women-beaters.


206 posted on 10/01/2012 10:01:21 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Uncle Chip

There is no evidence she was taunting anyone. That is your latest theory to divert from the clear evidence of battery.

Try again.

“He should not have hit her.” Period. There is no excuse, no justification that makes woman-beating acceptable.

Conservatives understand this.

Progressives defend woman-beating.


207 posted on 10/01/2012 10:03:13 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Born to Conserve
the big fat cops love to hit defenseless skinny women....that'll show em, right?.....if this was a white cop hitting a defeneseless black woman, you can bet we'd have a massive jesse parade by now....

and look at those cops.....most of them could miss a meal or too....

208 posted on 10/01/2012 10:09:13 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Altariel
There are laws against interfering with police business and she was doing that. She was trying to get their goat and she got it. She was an agitator in this situation -- trying to start trouble. And the officer put a quick end to it.

Would you rather have a full scale riot caused by one mouthing off woman who wouldn't stop or whack her across the face and haul her off to jail and end it right there. Your choice.

209 posted on 10/01/2012 10:11:28 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Altariel
If she was an agitator trying to cause a riot and antagonize the police then she should count herself lucky.

And conservatives consider all the facts and are capable of seeing through things like string theory to reach the proper conclusions.

She was taunting them -- start at that.

210 posted on 10/01/2012 10:18:33 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Title of thread:

Shocking Moment Cop floored woman with savage sucker punch during parade
211 posted on 10/01/2012 10:24:51 PM PDT by rottndog (Be Prepared.....for what's coming AFTER America.)
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To: Altariel

Unfortunately, you’re getting an idea of how many men are on the side of woman beaters, whether they’re conservative or not. How much they identify with these people, and why, is a matter for conjecture.

More “men” are defending this obvious assault and coming up with these fantasy explanations and conspiracy theories than any threads for a police vs dog incident.


212 posted on 10/01/2012 10:26:49 PM PDT by Tuanedge (Warriors victorious in a hundred battles, flee when a tiger enters their tent.)
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To: Uncle Chip
And conservatives consider all the facts...

Yes...and considering all the facts evident in the video, there is ABSOLUTELY NO JUSTIFICATION for the sucker punch the cop administered to the woman. This is a clear cut case of excessive use of force as well as battery by the cop.
213 posted on 10/01/2012 10:29:54 PM PDT by rottndog (Be Prepared.....for what's coming AFTER America.)
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To: Altariel
There is no evidence she was taunting anyone.

If that is true then post the audio that goes with the video and let's hear what she was saying the whole time.

That is your latest theory to divert from the clear evidence of battery.

If she was taunting them then she was interfering with police business and probably trying to start a riot -- perhaps the October Surprise. I also notice that she was trying to run away from the officer until he caught her with a punch. It sure stopped her from running and running her mouth off as well.

Conservatives understand this. Progressives defend woman-beating.

Conservatives do not want an October Surprise or rioting in the streets or someone trying to cause it. And if it is a woman trying to cause a riot then she deserves to be dealt with as the law allows.

You seem to be invested in this video. How come you didn't tell us that she was taunting the police??? Why did you lie about what was really going on here???

214 posted on 10/01/2012 10:33:04 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Altariel


215 posted on 10/01/2012 10:40:08 PM PDT by Tuanedge (Warriors victorious in a hundred battles, flee when a tiger enters their tent.)
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To: rottndog
Yes...and considering all the facts evident in the video

Post the audio of the video and let us hear what she was taunting the cops with.

This is a clear cut case of excessive use of force as well as battery by the cop.

You sure have the lingo down. It makes us all suspicious about why this video was posted with the lies attached to it.

If the agitator was trying to run after the officer said to come here, then his use of force to stop her from running and running her mouth may have been appropriate.

216 posted on 10/01/2012 10:40:50 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Tuanedge
Is this why you are here, Tuanedge, to carry out your War on Women theme???

You want us on this forum to believe that the police arresting this female agitator is part of the War on Women???

And anyone who sees what's really happening in this video is just unsympathetic to women???

Is that why you are here???

217 posted on 10/01/2012 10:54:21 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Altariel
Mother Files Federal Lawsuit Against Philadelphia Police...Loses Pregnancy After Being Stun-Gunned Seven Times Outside Her Family Home
218 posted on 10/01/2012 10:55:10 PM PDT by Tuanedge (Warriors victorious in a hundred battles, flee when a tiger enters their tent.)
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To: All

Students surrounded campus cops, who warned students that if they didn’t disperse, they would be subject to the use of force and pepper spray.

They stayed. They videotaped. They sued.
http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/saunders/article/Pepper-spraying-California-taxpayers-3905142.php
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This police officer hit the woman when he didn’t need to. He lost control. The city will pay. This is worse than pepper spraying.


219 posted on 10/01/2012 10:59:14 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Uncle Chip

Well, right now, “Uncle Chip”, I’m here to tell you that you’re full of shit. And I mean that sincerely.


220 posted on 10/01/2012 11:00:32 PM PDT by Tuanedge (Warriors victorious in a hundred battles, flee when a tiger enters their tent.)
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To: Uncle Chip
Take a close look at the liquid that was tossed. You can see that it almost reaches the cops, to the left of the girl. Further, they all initially turn to the left in the direction of the liquid, but the girl is to their right.

She turns to the right, and at that point the cops and the girl have their backs to each other. They are all reacting to the liquid.

221 posted on 10/01/2012 11:04:24 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Altariel
The dumb, useless OWN crowd seems to have taken over this thread.
Destructive juveniles of all ages.

Glad I got a few hours of my life back, LOL.

Gheeez!

222 posted on 10/01/2012 11:06:15 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: Ken H
You can see that it almost reaches the cops,

But it doesn't reach them does it??? And what happened to the string theory???

All 5 cops turn at once and look right at her -- no one else??? Whatever they were reacting to came from her. They didn't hesitate or look around for anyone else. She said something that was the last straw.

And she like the guilty party turns to run.

223 posted on 10/01/2012 11:13:58 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Tuanedge

How eloquent of you.


224 posted on 10/01/2012 11:14:53 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Pithy.


225 posted on 10/01/2012 11:19:41 PM PDT by Tuanedge (Warriors victorious in a hundred battles, flee when a tiger enters their tent.)
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To: Irenic
They deserved to be paid. They were not mouthing off to the police. They were not trying to cause a riot. They were not taunting the police. They were not interfering in police business. And they didn't try to run when the police came to put handcuffs on them.

They were not doing the things that this female agitator in Philadelphia was doing.

226 posted on 10/01/2012 11:22:53 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

*sigh*

She could have been the most hateful, rotten, agitator ever but when the officer went after her— she was not running and her back was to him. He could have handled it many different ways. He handled it the wrong way.

I am not defending her behavior and there is nothing to defend of that officers behavior, either.

I don’t care if she told him he was ugly and his mother dressed him funny.

She could have called him nasty, racist things and said her boyfriend would skull flock his head—he still was wrong in punching her. He didn’t need to.

He used force that was unnecessary because he was angry, not because he was frightened.


227 posted on 10/01/2012 11:42:41 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Nifster

Hey buddy. Cops are not our friends any more. They are a jack booted thug organization that is hell bent on making us submit to them. Police kill dogs on their own property, they kill humans “because we got the wrong house”. They beat people for speaking up. They are not our friends any more. They only think of us as Perps. Plain and simple. SO stop talking down to people who do not trust the police.


228 posted on 10/01/2012 11:43:52 PM PDT by crazydad (-` sd)
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To: fwdude

No we are not Occupoop as you say. We just do not trust cops. Cops have never done anything positive for me ever. All i have seen is abuse of power from these wanna be Gestapo men. Also if you watch the video there is a woman at the beginning you see something fly towards the cops. The woman punched was close to the group of police (pigs). She starts to walk away and Mr Macho clocks her. If he does that on the street what does he do to his wife behind closed doors.


229 posted on 10/01/2012 11:48:41 PM PDT by crazydad (-` sd)
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To: Uncle Chip
But it doesn't reach them does it???

It landed close enough that they reacted to it.

And what happened to the string theory???

The news report said string at first, so I went with that. It's clear that it was some kind of liquid.

All 5 cops turn at once and look right at her -- no one else???

No, they turned to the left at first, but she was to their right. Your version is not consistent with the fact that the cops and the girl had their backs turned to each other at one point.

If you are to be believed, then it was a mighty coincidence that the cops had finally had enough of her mouth at the same moment the liquid was tossed.

230 posted on 10/01/2012 11:54:14 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Uncle Chip

This officer also has roughly 20 internal affairs complaints against him. Sometimes when there is smoke...


231 posted on 10/01/2012 11:55:21 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: muir_redwoods

I did to someone else threw the spray from the left of the camera. The victim got hit also.


232 posted on 10/01/2012 11:55:21 PM PDT by crazydad (-` sd)
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To: Ken H
If that were you wife or daughter who was struck, would you be satisfied with just a suspension for the cop?

A juvenile, stupid speculative question.
Actually I would question my own judgement for marrying a woman who would put herself in that environment, or question my parenting skills seriously, if it were my daughter.

233 posted on 10/02/2012 12:20:53 AM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: Tuanedge
Woman beaters. And their fans. On the “premier conservative site on the internet”. Ain’t that a hoot?

What's that old truism about "protesting too loudly?"

234 posted on 10/02/2012 12:40:01 AM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: publius911
If that were you wife or daughter who was struck, would you be satisfied with just a suspension for the cop?


A juvenile, stupid speculative question. Actually I would question my own judgement for marrying a woman who would put herself in that environment, or question my parenting skills seriously, if it were my daughter.


Oh, really? And what kind of environment is that?

The city of Philadelphia?

A parade environment?

Any environment where Puerto Ricans are present?

Or an environment where insecure government employees on a power trip need to display their dominance with violent acts against the helpless?

Oh, don't tell me...she's not helpless, right? The cop twice her size was just defending himself...against, what exactly?

Oh, yeah. Rain.


Puerto Rican Day Parade

Date: Sunday, September 30, 2012 Time: 12 noon to 3 p.m. (ending time approximate)

Join thousands of spectators on the streets of Philadelphia for a day of music, dancing and fabulous floats during the annual Puerto Rican Day Parade. Celebrating its 50th anniversary in September 2012, the Puerto Rican Day Parade is the city’s oldest and largest outdoor event celebrating Puerto Rican and Latino heritage. Over 1,500 participants, including performers, local celebrities, youth groups, march up the Benjamin Franklin Parkway before ending at the Eakins Oval near the Philadelphia Museum of Art. This year’s Puerto Rican Day Parade will be hosted by Daisy Maria Martinez, a chef and host of Viva Daisy! on the Food Network.

235 posted on 10/02/2012 12:52:31 AM PDT by Tuanedge (Warriors victorious in a hundred battles, flee when a tiger enters their tent.)
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To: Valpal1
I watched the video closely, more than once. She clearly did something, threw/sprayed something.

She threw nothing. Someone behind her threw something. Supposedly beer. She was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

She should get a nice chunck of change from the city, and rambo should be fired.

236 posted on 10/02/2012 12:54:37 AM PDT by Post5203 (I bought 6 marines a beer at a bar recently and not one said thanks. I won't do that again.)
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To: Uncle Chip
Would you rather have a full scale riot caused by one mouthing off woman who wouldn't stop or whack her across the face and haul her off to jail and end it right there. Your choice.

Do you whack your wife/mother/daughter/niece/all of the above across the face when she opens her "pie hole" (as you termed her mouth earlier) to end it right there?

If so, it explains your defense of this bad cop. If not, I can't imagine why you would defend this poor excuse of a cop?

237 posted on 10/02/2012 1:20:54 AM PDT by publana (Beware the olive branch extended by a Dem for it disguises a clenched fist.)
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To: publius911
Excuse me... Puerto Rican women! Stop dancing! Publius911 says you're bad for his environment!

No! No! Come back! You're somebody's daughters! You shouldn't be here!

Hey, pretty girl, you're out of luck! Publius911 will never marry you!


SORRY Publius911, I know those pictures of that bad environment were very stressing...but I was thinking of you, here's a picture that will make you feel fuzzy all over...

Not that there's anything wrong with that! ;^)

238 posted on 10/02/2012 1:40:23 AM PDT by Tuanedge (Warriors victorious in a hundred battles, flee when a tiger enters their tent.)
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To: Tuanedge
Silly season.
Clearly, this was not a parade the likes of which I have ever experienced.
I remember the boring civilized ones, when the only LEOs present were spectators like the rest of us.
239 posted on 10/02/2012 1:49:17 AM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Say there are two people having an argument. One of them flicks the nose of the other with their finger. The second one responds by punching the first one in the face. Does the finger flick matter? Yes it does, because it was the first assault. The punch was a reaction.

So if I see you punch my wife, I can react by putting a bullet through your head? Is that what you're saying?

The cop's reaction was a wild and unjustified over-reaction. He needs to be fired before he over-reacts in a way which kills somebody.

240 posted on 10/02/2012 4:03:43 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: Altariel
“He should not have hit her.” Period. There is no excuse, no justification that makes woman-beating acceptable. Conservatives understand this. Progressives defend woman-beating.

I'm going to take a break from berating the cop to address this: YES THERE ARE circumstances where taking a swing at a woman is justifiable, such as when she initiates a violent assault. As to whether a particular response is justified, my standard of judgement is: if a man of the same size and strength did the act, what would my justified response be?

241 posted on 10/02/2012 4:20:20 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: Uncle Chip
All 5 cops turn at once and look right at her -- no one else??? Whatever they were reacting to came from her. They didn't hesitate or look around for anyone else. She said something that was the last straw.

She "said" something. Not "she DID something", but she "said" something that justifies a large cop busting her in the mouth over it?

For me, the justification for decking her for SAYING something would have to meet a high standard of threat. If she was saying "Come on people! Let's rush these pigs!", then that would be one thing, where failing to terminate her agitation immediately would have lead to violence.

On the other hand, if all that happened was she called the cop a "[n-word] pig" or something else personally insulting, then he would have no more right to punch her out over it than a non-cop would.

Cops are city employees doing a job. They are not the nobility. They are not samurai with the right to cut off the heads of uppity peasants. They need to remember that.

242 posted on 10/02/2012 4:28:58 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: crazydad
We just do not trust cops. Cops have never done anything positive for me ever.

We get it. You've had a few run-ins with the law. Had your meth lab raided? Your drug dealing business hindered by the "war on drugs?"

Every person that I know who has this attitude toward the police is basically a scum who thinks he has the right to flout the law, kind of like this administration. They are the "libertarians" who think they can drive 80 mph, weaving in and out of rush-hour traffic, because they are above it all.

243 posted on 10/02/2012 5:40:33 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Irenic; PapaBear3625; Nifster; fwdude; longtermmemmory
He used force that was unnecessary because he was angry, not because he was frightened.

Initially I was on her side until I watched the tape for the 17th time.

What she said angered the police not what was thrown. She was taunting the police. That's what got them to turn to her.

She could have been the most hateful, rotten, agitator ever but when the officer went after her— she was not running and her back was to him.

Right. She was trying to run away after the Lt probably told her to "come here" or "stay there". Her body language says "screw you" as she turns her back to him to flee. That's called resisting a lawful order or resisting arrest. That's when he catches up to her and punches her. She was not some innocent damsel as this thread alleged to begin with.

he still was wrong in punching her. He didn’t need to.

The minute she says "screw you" and turns to flee after defying a lawful police order to stand still or come here, a whole new set of options open up to the police. A punch to her pie hole to keep her from fleeing is better than a lot of others.

244 posted on 10/02/2012 5:50:19 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Would you rather have a full scale riot caused by one mouthing off woman who wouldn't stop or whack her across the face and haul her off to jail and end it right there. Your choice.

A more legitimate police response, and scale of escalation, would have been:

1) Give her an order to leave the area immediately.

2) If she does not immediately comply, then grab her by the arm, say "You are under arrest", and take her away.

3) IF SHE RESISTS ARREST by attempting to break free or trying to assault the officer, THEN he can legitimately use force in order to subdue her.

If I was standing there, and an officer, without justification, had punched my wife, girlfriend, or daughter, then I GUARANTEE to you, that you would have a much bigger situation to deal with than you did before.
245 posted on 10/02/2012 5:59:17 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: PapaBear3625; All

I know that I have the common sense to tell when a police officer has done us proud.

This aint it. This is the opposite pole, from it.

The cop didn’t kill anybody, and the woman’s going to recover. Recover physically, and also going to recover cash money...IMO she’d win this court case in any state in the land, and rightly so.

But, what may or may not recover, is what standard this sets in what we expect from LEO’s in general. If we took the post of this thread as a slice of the greater public opinion, then there must be a sizable fraction of the countries population that thinks 250# of police officer can assault 110# of citizen, when that citizen is committing no crime, and the fact that citizen is a woman, not only doesn’t help her, in this court of opinion, I think it hurts her. I don’t think I would have seen half of the incredibly prejudicial comments and fantastic interpretations of her behavior, if it’d been a 250# cop knocking out a 110# man... bearing in mind, a male 110# would not be a man, that would be a boy still in elementary school. If this had been male on male violence, with an attacker double the victim’s size, I don’t think the fact that the person committing the assault had a badge would carry as much weight... it would just be a matter of right and wrong, and what was right would be more clear.

Somehow the fact that the victim is a woman, is bringing these bizarre interpretations of her behavior, “she wasn’t walking right”, “she wasn’t talking right”, “she was hopping on her feet”, “she looked agitated, therefore she’s an agitator” (that progression of logic was strange), all the way to claiming that there was some huge all enveloping conspiracy to frame this police officer, and that this woman was some kind of Puerto Rican Mata Hari who somehow machinated the incident and faked her injuries in a deep ploy to influence the upcoming elections??

I have never seen grown men jump through so many hoops, and present so many bizarre excuses that would not only exonerate this beast with a badge, but to somehow formulate an alternate reality where a cop asserting his dominance by beating down a defenseless woman is, in their little private worlds, a hero. Someone they look up to, someone they even envy, someone who is finally addressing what they hold in their hearts to be a long hidden grievance or wrong.

I think what lies at the center of this big dance around the truth, these twists of semantics, jack-in-the-box theories and clairvoyant interpretations from armchair swamis, is this: The fact that this woman is innocent of any crime, doesn’t even weigh in their thinking. They put an ounce on the scale on the side of this police officer, simply because he’s a police officer. They put a pound on the scale, on the side of this police officer, because a woman shouldn’t have been where she was, she shouldn’t walk like she walked, and possibly, she shouldn’t have talked like she talked. To put it in one simple term that everyone understands, they saw her as being “uppity”. And every insecure man who viewed this clip, saw a “man” finally take an “uppity” woman under control, in a way that they’ve always wished they could do, but are afraid to. Finally these little women-fearing men get some pay back... this woman beating cop has addressed some inner scale of justice in their tiny little hearts, and that’s why he’s a hero, and why they’re willing to imagine that the sky is green, and the sun rises in the west, in order to make him one. Because if he’s not a hero, but a bully and a coward, then so are they.

And until someone comes up with some hard evidence that she’s a mastermind from the Puerto Rican Al Quaeda faking a beatdown at a family event in some byzantine plot to take control of the elections, I’m seeing the statements on this board as revealing what’s in the hearts of some men, rather than what actually happened at this parade. And that’s the name of that tune.

I’m concerned about the standard we’re teaching the next generation to expect from their peace officers...I sympathize with, and as a man, apologize to the women who are wondering what happened to the men in this country.


246 posted on 10/02/2012 6:31:46 AM PDT by Tuanedge (Warriors victorious in a hundred battles, flee when a tiger enters their tent.)
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To: PapaBear3625
I initially bought into the story that she was just an innocent bystander until watching the video over and over.

Then it became clear that she taunted the police until the LT told her to come here or stand there because you are under arrest.

She says screw you and turns to flee. That is against the law. She disobeyed a lawful order and tried to flee to avoid arrest when he punched her and subdued her.

Whether that punch was over the top depends upon whether the officer thought that she was so out of control and defiant that he was going to have to wrestle with her to get the handcuffs on her. She was clearly not in a cooperative mood which when it arises gives police greater leeway in their actions. It could have been worse for her.

That is my take after watching it for the 18th time.

If that were my wife or sister or daughter I would hate to be her husband or brother or father.

247 posted on 10/02/2012 6:39:23 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: PapaBear3625

> So if I see you punch my wife, I can react by putting a
> bullet through your head?

Actually, yes, on that question. A punch can be, and often is, “lethal level” force.

Variables to this would include how quickly you shot the attacker after the punch, the severity of the punch, from your wife’s point of view—not the punchers, whether it was in context of an argument or a random attack, and importantly (in this case), if your wife had provoked the punch by attacking first, etc.

According to the FBI (which confuses things a bit by combining the statistics), “Fists and feet were responsible for 745 murders in 2010, or 5.7 percent of all murders that year.”

So yes, under many circumstances it would be appropriate to shoot someone who had punched your wife. That you shot them in the head doesn’t really matter, except on an emotional level.


248 posted on 10/02/2012 6:46:40 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: Tuanedge
I sympathize with, and as a man, apologize to the women who are wondering what happened to the men in this country.

Get over yourself.

Women are not above the law -- especially women mouthing off at police officers trying to do their jobs and then fleeing to resist arrest.

Go take your pathetically patronizing "War on Women" meme somewhere else where it's not so obvious.

249 posted on 10/02/2012 6:49:53 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: fwdude
Yet another convenient “sound byte” video which only shows the part that the cop-haters want you to see. What led up to this? I can’t believe that a cop would just assault a woman at random. I’ll guarantee that there is a progression here that is not shown or known just by watching this culminating incident. If the cop was assaulted, he had every right to use force against the assaulter, especially one who’s fleeing (she was walking away in a crowd.) Stop with the summary Rodney-King-style verdicts until we know the whole story.

Even if assaulted, the proper response is a rush and tackle, by many officers at once, then cuff and confine in car. Punches are out.

Also: The fact that only one officer reacts, with so many nearby, gives lie to the conjecture that this officer was assaulted.

250 posted on 10/02/2012 6:55:23 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The American news media, the 'Pravda Press', is fully Soviet-ized.)
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