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Shocking Moment Cop floored woman with savage sucker punch during parade
DailyMail ^ | October 1, 2012 | Daily Mail Reporter

Posted on 10/01/2012 3:31:28 PM PDT by Altariel

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To: Lazamataz; Uncle Chip
Even if assaulted, the proper response is a rush and tackle, by many officers at once, then cuff and confine in car. Punches are out. Also: The fact that only one officer reacts, with so many nearby, gives lie to the conjecture that this officer was assaulted.

I blame part of the problem of current officer behavior on the unions. There are officers on the force who should NOT be on the force, who just don't have the temperment to be a police officer.

I also blame the EEOC for there being people in the police force who have no business having been hired.

I also think that the bad attitudes on the part of the police are being encouraged by left-wing union reps and by Democrat managers who are setting up the police for an incident. This happened in Philadelphia, a city in Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania currently has about 5% of the population having CCW. Cops really should not gratuitously punch women in the mouth, in front of a crowd where 5-10% of the people are likely to be legally armed.

251 posted on 10/02/2012 7:06:13 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: fwdude
I can’t believe that a cop would just assault a woman at random.

Inability to accept reality is a liberal characteristic.

252 posted on 10/02/2012 7:13:09 AM PDT by Sloth (If a tax break counts as "spending" then every time I don't rob a bank should be a "deposit.")
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To: Uncle Chip
Go take your pathetically patronizing "War on Women" meme somewhere else where it's not so obvious.

I'm not taking anything anywhere, because you don't have the balls to bring it, at any time. If you had the purely theoretical balls to bring it, zip code 32208 is the location you would bring it to. And you would bring it on youtube, so everyone can see this excuse of a man that excuses this behavior towards women. I guarantee I'll greet you with empty hands.

Right now I'm going to go do 5 miles in neighborhoods you wouldn't show your face in, in a car... and try to burn the stench of your online acquaintance out of my short term memory. Type something manly, while I'm gone.

If anyone knows how to turn fight club into an FR fundraiser, I'm up for it.

253 posted on 10/02/2012 7:14:25 AM PDT by Tuanedge (Warriors victorious in a hundred battles, flee when a tiger enters their tent.)
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To: Strategerist
Oh, did you miss the reply where some clown proclaimed it wasn't a "punch" it was a "slap"?

You referring to me???

What, you go x-ray vision??? You could see thru her head???

The cops arm was not in a position to hit her with his fist...More than likely his hand WAS closed when he hit her since he went to a lot of trouble looking at his open hand as the other cops came up...

She definitely did not get a full fist shot...

AND, he pulled his punch as can be seen in the video...A guy his size could have laid her out on her back where she would have had to have been carried away...

The only clowns are the ones who can watch the video and not see what is going on...

254 posted on 10/02/2012 7:18:09 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Tuanedge

So you have been here a month and you already want to start a fight club???


255 posted on 10/02/2012 7:19:53 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Sloth

Hating cops, law and order is a liberal characteristic. Wear it.


256 posted on 10/02/2012 7:23:41 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Sloth; fwdude
I can’t believe that a cop would just assault a woman at random. Inability to accept reality is a liberal characteristic.

And the reality is, after watching the video enough times, that she was taunting the cops on the scene and given a lawful order by the cop in charge to come over to him or stand still which she defied by turning to flee the other way. She thought that she was above the law and found out otherwise what can transpire when you taunt the police and then flee when they come to arrest you.

257 posted on 10/02/2012 7:29:25 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: fwdude

I am not a scum, I am a respectable member of society. Work in a hospital and see how the police treat people who come in for mental health issues and the dui’s I know they broke the law but treat people like they are human. I saw my step father get beaten by 3 cops because he parked the car the wrong way on our street. As a teen we were always getting harrassed by the Police for just hanging out. I had a cop almost choke me out when their was a fight at a party and I had not done anything except for show concern about my friend who had gotten motor cycle forks to the back of his head. Cops are ten times worst now. Now they just shoot your dog or kill you in your home.


258 posted on 10/02/2012 7:39:51 AM PDT by crazydad (-` sd)
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To: crazydad
I had a cop almost choke me out when their was a fight at a party and I had not done anything except for show concern about my friend who had gotten motor cycle forks to the back of his head. Cops are ten times worst now. Now they just shoot your dog or kill you in your home.

Wow, your screen name fits you.

259 posted on 10/02/2012 8:19:34 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude
The judge rightly gives deference to the account of the officer over the perpetrator. Otherwise, we would have no basis for truth in justice. Perhaps the cop is corrupt and a liar, but the stringent screening process to be a peace office is designed (hopefully) to weed out those with these types of character defects before he even gets to the point of dealing with the public.

Seek help.

And find a fascist website to participate in. You do not belong here.

260 posted on 10/02/2012 9:14:04 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (Pictionary at the Rorschach's tonight!)
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To: Fundamentally Fair

Can you define what a police officer is?


261 posted on 10/02/2012 9:22:12 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Then the woman attempted a hit and run assault on the cop.

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Can you please post the video you have that shows this hit and run assault on the cop?

The video the rest of us are looking at doesn’t have that part.


262 posted on 10/02/2012 9:25:12 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Uncle Chip

Hey UC what about the first Amendment. Unless she was threatening physical harm to the police or inciting a riot, she has committed no crime. We do have free speech even against the police.


263 posted on 10/02/2012 9:58:57 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: crazydad

You act as if ALL police officers fit this category.

I know for a fact that is not true.

I am talking down to no one. I am talking common sense. The desire to make ALL of something be one way is dangerous. I remember that lefty tactic well....oh yeah and fascists use it too


264 posted on 10/02/2012 10:00:35 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Uncle Chip

I have to admit that my viewing of the video left me with the same impression that you have.

I lived through the turbulence of the sixties. I know all too well what these lefty loons will do to aggravate police, flagrantly break the law, and then scream victim.

I still say let’s wait until all the facts are known. The one thing I am sure of is that this police officer did NOT punch her. He cuffed her (or chopped her) with an open hand which is clearly visible in the video


265 posted on 10/02/2012 10:05:15 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: dmz

More information, if not directly on the point:

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/10/02/philadelphia-woman-punched-by-cop-in-video-wants-justice-cop-under/

...police were trying to stop a driver who was “doing 360s” in the road.

“A guy was spinning wheels and burning tires in the middle of the (road), police are trying to stop it and ... as we’re doing it, things are being thrown, liquids are being tossed” at the officers by several people, he said.

McNesby said officers during such instances don’t know whether what’s being thrown on them is simply water, or whether it’s urine or chemicals, as has happened in the past.


266 posted on 10/02/2012 10:07:37 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: Uncle Chip

But after watching it carefully it is clear that she was taunting the police. She wasn’t an innocent by-stander.

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What crime did she commit? If she committed no crime, she is, by definition, an innocent bystander.


267 posted on 10/02/2012 10:18:22 AM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz; Nifster
What crime did she commit? If she committed no crime, she is, by definition, an innocent bystander.

She was booked on a disorderly conduct charge and then released.

268 posted on 10/02/2012 10:25:32 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Those charges will be dropped by the end of the week.


269 posted on 10/02/2012 10:31:23 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Uncle Chip

I didn’t ask what they arrested her for, I asked you specifically what crime you saw her commit? Since your flip flop on this, you made a great many claims regarding her behavior.

Simple question: what specific action of hers was criminal that you witnessed on the video prior to her being knocked down?

No assumptions, no supposition, no putting words in her mouth, what was her crime?


270 posted on 10/02/2012 10:47:00 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Uncle Chip
And the reality is, after watching the video enough times, that she was taunting the cops on the scene and given a lawful order by the cop in charge to come over to him or stand still which she defied by turning to flee the other way. She thought that she was above the law and found out otherwise what can transpire when you taunt the police and then flee when they come to arrest you.

After seeing a better quality video, I agree that she was doing something against the police. She has what looks like an aerosol type can in her hand and at the very beginning she is moving it above her head in a way that's consistent with flinging or spraying the contents toward the police. Then as she moves closer to the camera, someone further to the left sprays something as well, the cops turn around and see her with the can in her hand, and go after her. It's not surprising, in that I think most people voluntarily present at a Puerto Rican day parade are probably scum.

None of this is relevant to my original statement. It's foolish to think that a cop *wouldn't* attack an innocent person. It happens all the time.

271 posted on 10/02/2012 10:50:17 AM PDT by Sloth (If a tax break counts as "spending" then every time I don't rob a bank should be a "deposit.")
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To: SeaHawkFan; dmz; Ratman83; Fundamentally Fair; Altariel; rottndog; Irenic; crazydad; ...
If trying to relate an apparently outdated definition of manhood has raised your stress level to unacceptable levels, I recommend my Patented Stress Relief System which has worked wonders for me.. the five mile trot to the store afterwards helped too.

Only positive thing I bring away from this, is it clear awareness of how bad our society has become and how sometimes someone wearing the tag "conservative" really doesn't mean very much. Another positive thing is I'm committing to expand my free MA classes and advertise free self defense for women. Now that it's been put right in my face how many twisted "men" there are, it's incumbent on me to contribute something positive in that direction. Peace, out.

272 posted on 10/02/2012 11:08:28 AM PDT by Tuanedge (Warriors victorious in a hundred battles, flee when a tiger enters their tent.)
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To: dmz
I asked you specifically what crime you saw her commit? Since your flip flop on this, you made a great many claims regarding her behavior.

She was about to be arrested for disorderly conduct, and as the officer said something to her and moved toward her to put her under arrest she turned and started to flee. That's called resisting arrest.

273 posted on 10/02/2012 11:17:15 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

You should be a screenwriter. You know, the kind that writes movies “based on a true story”, which sentient beings read as “pure fiction based on some story we heard of a while back but don’t really know any of the facts so we’ll just fill ‘em in to tell the story we want told”.

You have no idea what the woman said. Why are you pretending that you do?


274 posted on 10/02/2012 11:17:43 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Sloth
After seeing a better quality video, I agree that she was doing something against the police. She has what looks like an aerosol type can in her hand and at the very beginning she is moving it above her head in a way that's consistent with flinging or spraying the contents toward the police.

So then she was spraying silly string.

It's foolish to think that a cop *wouldn't* attack an innocent person. It happens all the time.

You won't get an argument from me there.

275 posted on 10/02/2012 11:25:40 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

And the reality is, after watching the video enough times, that she was taunting the cops on the scene and given a lawful order by the cop in charge to come over to him or stand still which she defied by turning to flee the other way.

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You continue to double down on making things up out of whole cloth.

On a video with no sound, you have now heard the woman taunting the cops, have heard her say screw you to the cops, and have heard the cop giving her a lawful order to stop.

All with no sound on the video.

And all this from the man whose initial comments on this thread included “I’m supporting the due process that he denied to the woman. You don’t get punched by a cop on a bunch of unsubstantiated facts.”

And here you are now trafficking in those exact same unsubstantiated facts.


276 posted on 10/02/2012 11:28:26 AM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz
And here you are now trafficking in those exact same unsubstantiated facts.

As the officer was moving toward her was she attempting to flee or not???

277 posted on 10/02/2012 11:54:33 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: dmz
And here you are now trafficking in those exact same unsubstantiated facts.

Did she have a can of silly string in her hand that she was spraying on the police???

Substantiate that too.

278 posted on 10/02/2012 12:03:10 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

As the officer was moving toward her was she attempting to flee or not???

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Um, you are attempting (quite transparently I might add) to introduce your own set of facts into this discussion. You’ve been at it since you flip flopped on this issue about mid-thread. I will, however, wait in the future before responding to your initial posts on threads to give you a chance to figure out what your position is going to be.

And no, I have no visual evidence that anyone was attempting to flee. Neither do you.


279 posted on 10/02/2012 2:41:00 PM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz
Um, you are attempting (quite transparently I might add) to introduce your own set of facts into this discussion.

A set of facts that you asked for from the video that you cannot refute.

You’ve been at it since you flip flopped on this issue about mid-thread.

Well forgive me, oh lord of the threads, but I thought the purpose of these threads was discussion with an open mind. I didn't realize that I had to enter every thread with a closed mind that cannot be changed by other posters with other information.

I will, however, wait in the future before responding to your initial posts on threads to give you a chance to figure out what your position is going to be.

You will be waiting a long time. Persuading other posters and being persuaded to change one's mind about something is part of the discussion process.

And no, I have no visual evidence that anyone was attempting to flee. Neither do you.

So then on your tape as the officer is moving toward her she's standing still and facing him and not stepping up on the curb to try to get away from him.

Is that what you're trying to tell me???

280 posted on 10/02/2012 3:38:19 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Once again, you are attempting to distract from what is plainly evident in the video—a police officer punched a private citizen.

A man punched a woman.

A government employee committed battery against a non-government employee.

That action is unacceptable. Period. Unless one supports the progressive notion that hitting women is justifiable.


281 posted on 10/02/2012 5:28:28 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Uncle Chip

By the way, a police officer who chooses to punch a private citizen arguable is attempting to start a riot.

If you don’t want an October Surprise, as you claim, stop defending government employees who commit assault and battery against private citizens.


282 posted on 10/02/2012 5:31:20 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

Are you referring to the woman who was spraying silly string on the police then ran away, and then was going back over to do it again, tried to run away again, but got caught this time??? Is that the one???


283 posted on 10/02/2012 8:58:56 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Still scurrying?

I am referring to the government employee who punched a woman, publicly.

I am referring to the little boy who couldn’t control himself in public.

I am referring to the Fool who blatantly violent the most basic principles of his own occupation.


284 posted on 10/02/2012 9:02:51 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Uncle Chip

Still scurrying?

I am referring to the government employee who punched a woman, publicly.

I am referring to the little boy who couldn’t control himself in public.

I am referring to the Fool who blatantly violated the most basic principles of his own occupation.


285 posted on 10/02/2012 9:06:10 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel
I want to make sure that we are talking about the same woman that you denied had been doing anything remotely wrong.

Are we talking about the woman that has the can of silly string in her hand harrassing the police with it and then running away???

286 posted on 10/02/2012 9:14:36 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
From the Daily Mail...

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The 39-year-old was then arrested and was issued a summary citation for disorderly conduct, on which police reported she had thrown beer at them.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2211717/Just-ladies-Philadelphia-police-officer-accused-punching-unarmed-woman-posed-topless-sexy-sergeant.html

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What say you now?

287 posted on 10/03/2012 2:36:50 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: fwdude; Nifster; Altariel; dmz
Updated information at #287. Here's a working link.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2211717/Just-ladies-Philadelphia-police-officer-accused-punching-unarmed-woman-posed-topless-sexy-sergeant.html

(what's the deal with his nipple ring and earring?)

288 posted on 10/03/2012 3:32:26 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H
The executive director of Concilio, the organization responsible for putting on the parade every year, called on police to fully investigate: 'While we have no knowledge of what led to the incident,

You don't??? Look at the very start of the video:

What is she doing that causes an officer to go after her??? And what is she doing with that can of silly string as she hops away waving it in the air??? And why is she going back over toward the police again with that can??? And why did she try to run away when they turned around???

The video shows more than just the punch.

289 posted on 10/03/2012 5:48:44 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Ken H
Translating for her mother, her daughter Keysha, 19

Ohhh so now she can't speak English.

She is clearly seen saying the words: "I didn't do it" to the police. Do what??? Did they tell you what in English or Spanish???

But now she needs a translator.

290 posted on 10/03/2012 6:00:50 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Look at this from Chief Ramsey! Your nipple-ringed pretty boy is going down.

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"Obviously, it's a video that's very troubling. When you see it, it's very clear and from what I saw, it's difficult to justify the actions that took place," Ramsey said.

The video of the incident at 5th and Lehigh during a Puerto Rican Day Parade after-party quickly went viral and has now been viewed almost a million times across the web.

-snip-

"If there was an arrest to be made, you use only the force necessary to affect that arrest. From what I saw that was in excess of what was needed," Ramsey said.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=8833059

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291 posted on 10/03/2012 6:27:36 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H
You forgot this:

Deputy Police Commissioner Richard Ross said of the incident: 'We'd be remiss if we didn't acknowledge that the video is disturbing.

'Clearly, the one issue at hand is she does appear to be walking away. She does not appear to be facing Lt Josey at that time.'

292 posted on 10/03/2012 6:49:37 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Here's something else. The Philadelphia Inquirer has an editorial today about your pretty boy. BTW, his name is Lt Jonathan D. Josey II.

Inquirer Editorial: Cop's sucker punch gives force another black eye

http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/inquirer/20121003_Inquirer_Editorial__Cop_s_sucker_punch_gives_force_another_black_eye.html

293 posted on 10/03/2012 7:20:50 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: Greysard
I don't know their answer, but from my point of view, enlightened only by reading crime fiction books, there may be many scenarios where a throw down gun may help the good guys.

No, you are wrong. Both legally and morally: first the telling of lies under oath is perjury; second, the Bible clearly says “You must not testify falsely against your neighbor.” [Exodus 20:16, NLT].

If some crime must have the prosecution resort to lying to secure the conviction, then regardless of the actual-guilt of the accused the accused ought to have been acquitted. -- That is the introduction of lies on part of the prosecution is, in itself, reason to cause a reasonable doubt.

294 posted on 10/03/2012 7:40:46 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Ken H

“An arrest may occur (2) by any act that indicates an intention to take the arrestee into custody and that subjects the arrestee to the actual control and will of the person making the arrest.” [http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/arrest]

Was her walking away from him an attempt to resist arrest??? Was she resisting being handcuffed when she was on the ground???


295 posted on 10/03/2012 7:44:38 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Altariel
No conservative should make excuses for a man who punches a woman.

While I generally agree with you on this thread, this statement is too far. There are times when it is acceptable to punch a woman; incidents such as the one where a goup of teen-aged women decided to beat some other woman up, filming it, and posting it on facebook would be one such instance (during the beating, I mean)... to claim otherwise is to claim that a man cannot "be the hero" in this sort of situation.

Also this mode of thought invites the horrid, self-devaluing principle of non-violence at any cost. IOW, it is the action of refuting that you have a right to defend your own life; this philosophy is absolutely destructive to society.

296 posted on 10/03/2012 8:36:09 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Uncle Chip

A set of facts that you asked for from the video that you cannot refute.

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You mean like her resisting arrest? Here’s my refutation. She was not charged with resisting arrest.

Or like you claiming she sprayed them with silly string? Here’s my refutation. The cops claim she threw beer on them. And they were there. You were not.

Or your claim that she attempted to flee? Here’s my refutation. She was not charged with attempting to flee.

So, as I said before, you have made a very transparent attempt to introduce your own set of facts into this discussion, every one of which is refuted by the cops themselves and the charging document.

Do you see how that works?


297 posted on 10/03/2012 8:40:49 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Tuanedge

Very excellent post.


298 posted on 10/03/2012 8:59:17 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: dmz

<>Or like you claiming she sprayed them with silly string? Here’s my refutation. The cops claim she threw beer on them. And they were there. You were not.<>

“She was cited for spraying silly string, according to police.”

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Officer-Jonathan-Josey-Hits-Woman-Video-Philadelphia-172121941.html

And they were there. You were not.


299 posted on 10/03/2012 9:04:00 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: fwdude
Hating cops, law and order is a liberal characteristic. Wear it.

Funny thing; if you love justice and [right/just] law, then you must be predisposed to hating cops [as-a-group] for the evil they do by both action and inaction.

Let me give you an example; the New Mexico State Constitution says, in Art II, Sec 6:

[Right to bear arms.]
No law shall abridge the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms for security and defense, for lawful hunting and recreational use and for other lawful purposes, but nothing herein shall be held to permit the carrying of concealed weapons. No municipality or county shall regulate, in any way, an incident of the right to keep and bear arms. (As amended November 2, 1971 and November 2, 1986.)
Yet, the state does abridge the right to keep and bear arms, both in its statutes [see NMSA 30-7-2.4] and in its own 'rules.' This last case is particularly insidious because it takes the color of law, without being law: to wit, the courthouses in New Mexico have signs, prominently displayed, proclaiming "No Weapons, violators will be prosecuted" (or similar). Now if that were by law, it would violate the underlined portion of the State Constitution, if it is not law then it is a federal felony, actually two, that is being perpetrated. More disturbing is that even municipal courts have such signs, which unambiguously violates the second sentence of the cited section of the state constitution.

You may be inclined to argue that weapons should not be allowed in courthouses; but the USSC has ruled, repeatedly, that the police are not under an affirmative obligation to provide for the safety of any particular private citizen.

It is also worth noting that a citizen may be compelled to appear in court despite not even being accused of a crime (jurors and witnesses); that they are deprived of their weapons combined with the legal obligation to appear is a travesty against justice and a de facto denial of the individual's inherent right to defend themselves.

300 posted on 10/03/2012 9:16:30 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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