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Occupy defeated the Tea Party, Elizabeth Warren defeated Sarah Palin, Ron Paul defeated Mitt Romney
The Hill ^ | November 20, 2012 | Brent Budowsky

Posted on 11/21/2012 2:55:34 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Michael Gerson in the Tuesday Washington Post got it half-right: Occupy Wall Street was a big 2012 winner by defining the narrative that others ran on. Yes! You read it here first, long ago. Gerson then fell into the rightist trap claiming Obama wants to end capitalism. Nope! Too much rightist brew for Gerson. Occupy Wall Street was indeed a huge 2012 winner, defining the narrative of the winning party, while the discredited Tea Party crashed, Sarah Palin is reduced to marginal opining, Elizabeth Warren emerges as a champion, Romney's 47 percent insult was defeated by Occupy Wall Street's 99 percent inspiration and the resurgent Ron Paul leads the battle for the allegiance of young voters.

The great battle of America is who defines the real populism. Obama has never been a real populist. In truth he shafted the Occupy movement but stole its message, which won the election, while Romney stole the Tea Party message, which lost the election. If this were the NFL the score would be: Occupy 24, Tea Party 7, Elizabeth Warren 28, Sarah Palin 0, Ron Paul 28, Mitt Romney 3. While Ron Paul escalates taking his message to young people, the only person who wants to talk to Romney is Obama...

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TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: lewrockwell; obama; palin; romney; teaparty
Comments?
1 posted on 11/21/2012 2:55:42 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Comments? Not really, just more leftist drivel; nobody I care about takes this stuff seriously.


2 posted on 11/21/2012 2:59:16 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

MSM and lies defeat new media and truth.


3 posted on 11/21/2012 2:59:45 PM PST by marktwain
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just mediots slaughtering the truth.


4 posted on 11/21/2012 3:01:11 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
but stole its message, which won the election

'Freeloading should be an occupation'? (Rape rooms are optional.)

5 posted on 11/21/2012 3:01:40 PM PST by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Please tell me this guy is from a Pot Legal State, that is the only solution I have for his insanity.....


6 posted on 11/21/2012 3:04:27 PM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
0bama defeated the democratic principals of personal freedom , trashes the U.S.Constitution . and steals from hard working , successful Americans to feed his commie regime ,,, now that's something I'm sure he's very proud of . If Joe McCarthy were alive today he'd say ,,,, “ SEE !!! ,, I told you so “ .
7 posted on 11/21/2012 3:06:03 PM PST by Lionheartusa1 (-: Socialism is the equal distribution of misery :-)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If Romney had won the same number of votes Sarah got in 2008, he’d be President Elect Romney now.


8 posted on 11/21/2012 3:12:00 PM PST by Argus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama’s reelection is similar to FDR election to 2nd Term. Both men ended first term with unemployment lower then initial but still very high and a gov that spent into deficit with economy stagnate. FDR appealed to voters for more time because the Depression caused by Hoover is more severe then normal. Obama claims the same against GWB. Biggest factor is what I call the life line factor. Like the Great Depression, American workers truly cannot get jobs and trapped in homes whose value is less then the mortgage owed. 99 weeks of unemployment and food stamps is keeping the unemployed worker and his family comfortable. Obama offers to do what it takes to keep this life line open till the economy recovers, Romney hints austerity. I know freepers do not like this, but study why hungry people gravitate to parties or leaders that are bad in their long term interests. When things get bad, people worry about the next few days not the consequences of the next few decades. That is how bad things got since 2008. If socialism will feed you the next several months vs capitalism that says man up when jobs do not exist, people out of desperation will gravitate to socialism. The only hope for return of conservatism is the business cycle turns on its own despite gov and jobs become more available. When more Americans can leave food stamps and have jobs, then the issue of keeping more of their take home pay will swing them back to smaller gov and less taxes. Right now up to 16 percent of Americans are unemployed or underemployed with more giving up looking for work (on food stamps or disability). Gov entitlements have become a necessity to survive for today and financial collapse is an issue to be dealt with tomorrow. Yes it seems like short term thinking but the GOP and Conservatives need to understand Maslov’s Hierarchy of Needs. One cannot contemplate visions of free capitalism if the first critical needs (security, food, shelter) are not met.


9 posted on 11/21/2012 3:20:11 PM PST by Fee
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The real defeat was earlier. For 4 years, hardly anyone fought back against the leftist narrative that the financial crisis was due to deregulation, greedy bankers, and the Bush tax cuts. The GOP-e followed Bush 43 in turning the other cheek to the lying media hyenas.

That set the stage for Fauxcahontas and the occupy B.S. apologists to build on the anti-capitalist propaganda. Never mind Corzine, Cuomo, Dodd, Frank, and all the other liberal wall Street scumbags.

Levin, Rush, and Newt are not enough. Failure to question the premises of the lib media has huge consequences.

10 posted on 11/21/2012 3:25:47 PM PST by rfp1234 (Arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a pigeon.)
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To: Fee
The problem with your arguments is you imagine they matter.

Politicians in America don't go out to convince the other guy to come over and vote for them ~ they go out to stir up their own followers to bother to go out to vote for them.

If you want to argue first principles, economic systems, social welfare or condition, place of religion, need for firearms ~ or whatever ~ that necessarily takes places over the long run, and it translates into votes for your own side when an entire subgroup decides they've had enough with the other guys, and because of your issues package, they make the big jump to your side ~ come the next election some of them will bother to go vote ~ FOR YOU!

Knowing that it's easy to see why Romney lost ~ he was out to convince the undecided independents in the middle that his ideas were better so they should vote for him.

Alas, there are no such people. He'd been better off campaigning for Republicans ~ and if he got as many out as did McCain, or George W. Bush he'd be President.

Obama campaigned for the Socialist vote ~ few of them around ~ over 6 million of his 2008 voters stayed home!

Obama forgot to campaign for black Democrat votes, or for Democrat votes.

I find it slightly this side of total amazement that both these guys campaigned wrong ~ and it shows.

11 posted on 11/21/2012 3:33:52 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Argus

There you go.

Lots of FReepers like to kill the messenger but here’s one for ya: the Tea Party didn’t get the job done. Occupy Wall Street did.

That’s all this POS article is saying. Sticking it in our faces to say “we won, you bunch of racist bigoted homophobes”.

Does that piss you off? Good! Lets get to work, we need better candidates, a funding mechanism independent of whatever boob the RNC decides gets to drive their clown car in 4 years, and most importantly - we need a communications media that can get our message out - the true story of conservativism and liberty - instead of sitting around on message boards whing about the leftist media.

There, hope that clears things up...


12 posted on 11/21/2012 3:36:24 PM PST by bigbob
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To: Argus

and to be clear - nothing personal toward you, your post just triggered a pent-up rant ;-)

I know I am not alone in saying my #1 choice in 2016 will be Sarah Palin. Just as it was in 2012 before she decided not to run.


13 posted on 11/21/2012 3:38:40 PM PST by bigbob
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Leftists spiking the ball...

Nothing more.


14 posted on 11/21/2012 3:38:49 PM PST by Kinder Gentler Machinegun Hand
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Can’t lie. The Tea Party’s voice was supressed by the Rinos this election. Bammy went far left, race and class division and hate and all.

There was a void on the other side. The message was vote for Romney because he’s a nice white rich guy and has a nice pretty wife. No ideology of constitutional freedom and ideals and no talk of unity beyond race (confrontation with the Left’s race hate scheme) offered in the election. No going after Obamacare (death panels) because we have to pretend to support Romneycare. No talk about systematic sexual molestation and abuse of Americans at the airports.

We are not, however, defeated. The Rinos are going to step on their cranks.


15 posted on 11/21/2012 3:47:16 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Given that the popular vote percentages were about the same as 2008, it seems like neither the Tea Party nor the Occupy losers can exactly say they had a big impact.


16 posted on 11/21/2012 4:15:23 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

(shrug)
It all comes down to the same thing - - the parasites outnumber the hosts; the eaters outnumber the producers; the moochers reelected their president and America is dead. The Democrats won. Whatever.. The scum won’t get anything from me, lol.
I’ve been preparing.


17 posted on 11/21/2012 4:21:41 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: rfp1234
Levin, Rush, and Newt are not enough. Failure to question the premises of the lib media has huge consequences.

Yes, what is your solution? The only one that I see is building the new media. It is not as if the Republicans do not give good speeches. It is that the MSM will not cover them.

18 posted on 11/21/2012 4:36:47 PM PST by marktwain
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes, sadly, the occutards did succeed - much more than the drug addled losers that actually showed up for most of the public property camping even realize.

Occupy changed the discussion in this country. We had been focused on debt. It was a huge issue and looked to dominate 2012. That’s not how it turned out though. Occupy mostly wiped that discussion from the forefront and the media ended up talking about “fairness” and Obama’s “balanced approach” right through the election.

So yeah, much as I despise these non producing bums, they were successful.


19 posted on 11/21/2012 5:02:15 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Fee

“Obama’s reelection is similar to FDR election to 2nd Term”

I agree with this and the rest of your post.


20 posted on 11/21/2012 5:22:53 PM PST by cymbeline
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Governor Palin, the previous vice-presidential candidate was shut out by Romney, from the convention, as I think the tea party in general was.

Palin did give us our only Senate pick up with long shot Deb Fischer against Senator, war hero with the Medal of Honor, and navy SEAL, Bob Kerry, and she gave us Ted Cruz over Dewhurst, along with house seats, Palin had a pretty good election.

Romney was a disaster for the GOP, he left so much on the table.


21 posted on 11/21/2012 6:37:49 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: Fee

Or, if the Democrats cause them to fear that their most basic needs will be a problem. Fear is a tremendous motivator and the Democrats are masters of using it.


22 posted on 11/21/2012 6:41:14 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Okay, were Fauxcahontas and Sarah on the same ballot somewhere and I missed it?


23 posted on 11/21/2012 6:47:47 PM PST by RichInOC (Palin 2016: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Okay, were Fauxcahontas and Sarah on the same ballot somewhere and I missed it?


24 posted on 11/21/2012 6:48:12 PM PST by RichInOC (Palin 2016: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: Fee

“Understand yourself and understand your opponents, and in one hundred battles, you will never be defeated.”

You are looking and trying to understand. You are looking deep. You are way ahead of people who were paid lots of money to win elections.


25 posted on 11/21/2012 6:49:07 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: ansel12

Correct.

Palin was on the sidelines this election.


26 posted on 11/21/2012 6:55:42 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

That is a cheesy kind of dishonest post, you are incorrect and were disagreeing with me, not agreeing with me, you lied.

The best news of the entire 2012 cycle came from Governor Palin’s efforts.

Palin did give us our only Senate pick up with long shot Deb Fischer against Senator, war hero with the Medal of Honor, and navy SEAL, Bob Kerry, and she gave us Ted Cruz over Dewhurst, along with house seats, Palin had a pretty good election.

Palin helped us immensely in ways that will pay off for years, Mitt was a disaster for us and hurt the entire ticket.


27 posted on 11/21/2012 7:10:21 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: marktwain
Yes, what is your solution? The only one that I see is building the new media.

Yes. Every $5 sent to FR is a better investment than $50 sent to the RNC, that's for sure. I also try to link as many relevant conservative articles as possible (from Drudge, Breitbart, etc.) to my Facebook page.

It doesn't matter whether it's TV, newspapers, or electronic media, it's one-sided right now. Even 50% of FoxNews is corrupt (Geraldo, Shep Smith, half of O'Reilly, etc.)

The libs / progressives have had a plan, and have executed it incrementally for several decades. Now they control every kind of medium aside from just news and politics, from comedy channels to GQ and other fashion mags, etc. Through academia, they've even taken over things like Nat Geo and Scientific American.

Adelson and other big donors should be spending bundles of $$$ buying up old media outlets, or starting up new ones. If they don't do it, megalibs like Buffett, Soros, or the Google guys will.

28 posted on 11/21/2012 7:13:08 PM PST by rfp1234 (Arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a pigeon.)
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To: ansel12

Well I guess I disagreed with you, but I didn’t mean to.

:D

Palin wasn’t completely engaged this time was my point.


29 posted on 11/21/2012 7:15:07 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Sorry if I misunderstood you.

Palin was having to be a loyal republican as an anti-Reagan, anti-Palin, anti-conservative candidate was going to win the primary, she had to try not to outshine the charisma challenged Mitt, and also not destroy him with making the contrast between their politics obvious.

Palin did what she could by getting involved in moving the party right, in the primaries involving the house and senate, and trying to stay out of the presidential level limelight.

When it was done, we got some great victories from her, she didn’t cause trouble when Mitt banned her from her own party’s convention, and she managed to not formally endorse him, while speaking positively of him at the same time.

Palin did a good job and let Romney/Rove be Romney/Rove.

In 2014, hopefully Palin and the tea party can do what they did in 2010.


30 posted on 11/21/2012 7:30:06 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: ansel12

Not a problem.

One nice thing about the last election is it was pretty much all the moderate GOP-lite.

And they crashed and burned.

This sets up an epic struggle: The GOP establishment with latino roots, vs the Tea Party.

Or possible a combination of those two.

Either way, this race will start early, involve a BUNCH of very prominent people, and certainly the platform will do some changing.

I for one, would very much like to see many more American jobs.

But that is just me.


31 posted on 11/21/2012 7:34:14 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Mitt Romney defeated Mitt Romney. He was simply a terrible candidate, and it’s time to stop blaming everybody else.


32 posted on 11/22/2012 9:04:21 AM PST by Hilda
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To: ansel12

Willard’s problem is he brings nothing to the table...

Nothing for the Conservatives and TEA Party...

Are there no men or women of principles in the GOP ???

Other than Sarah ???

Is she running in 2016 ???


33 posted on 11/24/2012 7:14:32 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Fee
You might like this:

(Vanity) Election Demographics and the Manosphere

Cheers!

34 posted on 11/24/2012 7:17:29 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Scott Brown is Sarah Palin???

Sheeeeyit. Scott Brown is as "moderate" as a moderate Republican gets.

That is to say he's as Liberal as a Liberal gets.

The fact that he couldn't beat a lying fake lawyer (or is that a fake lying lawyer?) who most likely got ahead in her career by taking a spot designed to help someone else get ahead in his or her career by tilting the playing field in his or her favor speaks more for the folly of Moderatism than it does about The Tea Party.

35 posted on 11/24/2012 8:58:11 PM PST by Texas Eagle (1)
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To: Fee

1. Obozo’s unemployment is not down it is UP. And food stamp rate is through the roof. The numbers published by the BLS are totally conjured like Obozo past (as presented).

2. OWS defeated no one. The Tea Party was the only reason that Romney was as close as he was.

3. The 2nd Enemy is the GOPe in DC. The only path out of this mess is to defeat DC (both parties) and return the center-of-gravity of US government back to the states. No other option.

4. Current path by left is total destruction of the US. That was/is Obozo’s plan from the beginning.

5. The media must be exposed for what they really are. Traitors.


36 posted on 11/25/2012 10:30:11 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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