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GOP USA ^ | 11/28/2012 | Walter Williams

Posted on 11/29/2012 4:36:02 AM PST by IbJensen

For decades, it has been obvious that there are irreconcilable differences between Americans who want to control the lives of others and those who wish to be left alone.

Which is the more peaceful solution: Americans using the brute force of government to beat liberty-minded people into submission or simply parting company? In a marriage, where vows are ignored and broken, divorce is the most peaceful solution. Similarly, our constitutional and human rights have been increasingly violated by a government instituted to protect them. Americans who support constitutional abrogation have no intention of mending their ways.

Since Barack Obama's re-election, hundreds of thousands of petitions for secession have reached the White House. Some people have argued that secession is unconstitutional, but there's absolutely nothing in the Constitution that prohibits it. What stops secession is the prospect of brute force by a mighty federal government, as witnessed by the costly War of 1861. Let's look at the secession issue.

At the 1787 constitutional convention, a proposal was made to allow the federal government to suppress a seceding state. James Madison, the acknowledged father of our Constitution, rejected it, saying: "A Union of the States containing such an ingredient seemed to provide for its own destruction. The use of force against a State would look more like a declaration of war than an infliction of punishment and would probably be considered by the party attacked as a dissolution of all previous compacts by which it might be bound."

On March 2, 1861, after seven states had seceded and two days before Abraham Lincoln's inauguration, Sen. James R. Doolittle of Wisconsin proposed a constitutional amendment that said, "No State or any part thereof, heretofore admitted or hereafter admitted into the Union, shall have the power to withdraw from the jurisdiction of the United States."

Several months earlier, Reps. Daniel E. Sickles of New York, Thomas B. Florence of Pennsylvania and Otis S. Ferry of Connecticut proposed a constitutional amendment to prohibit secession. Here's my no-brainer question: Would there have been any point to offering these amendments if secession were already unconstitutional?

On the eve of the War of 1861, even unionist politicians saw secession as a right of states. Rep. Jacob M. Kunkel of Maryland said, "Any attempt to preserve the Union between the States of this Confederacy by force would be impractical, and destructive of republican liberty."

The Northern Democratic and Republican parties favored allowing the South to secede in peace. Just about every major Northern newspaper editorialized in favor of the South's right to secede. New York Tribune (Feb. 5, 1860): "If tyranny and despotism justified the Revolution of 1776, then we do not see why it would not justify the secession of Five Millions of Southrons from the Federal Union in 1861." Detroit Free Press (Feb. 19, 1861): "An attempt to subjugate the seceded States, even if successful, could produce nothing but evil -- evil unmitigated in character and appalling in content." The New York Times (March 21, 1861): "There is growing sentiment throughout the North in favor of letting the Gulf States go."

There's more evidence seen at the time our Constitution was ratified. The ratification documents of Virginia, New York and Rhode Island explicitly said that they held the right to resume powers delegated, should the federal government become abusive of those powers. The Constitution would have never been ratified if states thought that they could not maintain their sovereignty.

The War of 1861 settled the issue of secession through brute force that cost 600,000 American lives. Americans celebrate Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, but H.L. Mencken correctly evaluated the speech, "It is poetry, not logic; beauty, not sense." Lincoln said that the soldiers sacrificed their lives "to the cause of self-determination -- that government of the people, by the people, for the people should not perish from the earth." Mencken says: "It is difficult to imagine anything more untrue. The Union soldiers in the battle actually fought against self-determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of people to govern themselves."


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: broncobama; evilobamaregime; liar; phony
This America will become either all Socialist or All Capitalist. Either the rights to private property or the rule of communal property will prevail. The two cannot exist in one manic-depressive economy that will ultimately lead to an economic panic depression of magnitude. Either economic Tax slavery will prevail in all the states or will finally be defeated in all the states. Either individual freedom and the right to personal property will prevail, or the rights of the collective to oppress the right to personal property will prevail. IT cannot go on like this much longer or all will perish in the conflict. This economically divided house is on a one way path to its own self destruction in debt.
1 posted on 11/29/2012 4:36:09 AM PST by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen; Admin Moderator

Search tools worked for me...

Already posted by Kaslin yesterday morning...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2963827/posts

Before that, posted by Bearhousse
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2901193/posts


2 posted on 11/29/2012 4:41:11 AM PST by WVKayaker ("Hang in there, America. Fight for what is right." - Sarah Palin 11/7/12)
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To: IbJensen

Walter Williams is exceptional in his world views. Furthermore, he is “spot on” in every article I’ve read from him.

Best yet, he’s never been wrong.


3 posted on 11/29/2012 4:49:54 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: WVKayaker

I tried the search before I posted it about ten minutes ago and came up empty. Now I’ve tried it again and did indeed come up with what you have indicated both to me and to the management.


4 posted on 11/29/2012 4:58:21 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: IbJensen
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5 posted on 11/29/2012 5:13:53 AM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: IbJensen
Sometimes the authoritarians come out whenever an article complaining about the abuse of authority is posted.
6 posted on 11/29/2012 5:14:40 AM PST by Bob Buchholz
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To: Bob Buchholz
Sometimes the authoritarians come out whenever an article complaining about the abuse of authority is posted.

...and sometimes jerks come along to snipe!

If you're talking about me, please ping me when you try to ding me.

Why should there be three threads with the same content, FRiend? It is common knowledge that there is a search feature, and a request by MANAGEMENT not to repeat threads from the same source. The content is the article, and though this is surely a good one from Walter Williams, but is a threepeat...

Have a nice day, and be sure and click here to donate, if you haven't already. I'm been a monthly for a few years now, and proud to be a FReeper! They must have overlooked your MONEY contribution, or you chose to remain anonymous. That is your right...


7 posted on 11/29/2012 5:45:25 AM PST by WVKayaker ("Hang in there, America. Fight for what is right." - Sarah Palin 11/7/12)
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To: WVKayaker; IbJensen
....and i saw neither -

thanks thread police

8 posted on 11/29/2012 6:14:42 AM PST by Revelation 911
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To: WVKayaker

It is also common knowledge that the site search feature is crap.


9 posted on 11/29/2012 6:36:00 AM PST by FightforFreedomCA (Democrats Own This Economy)
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To: FightforFreedomCA; Revelation 911; Jim Robinson
It is also common knowledge that the site search feature is crap.

It is also common knowledge who supports FreeRepublic...

I realize the listing isn't complete, as I am a monthly contributor, and don't show up some quarters. But, I note two omissions, which I trust are just oversights!

Maybe if you two would feed the coffers, those alleged flaws can be corrected! John has a full-time job just keeping us running! Jim Thompson has the right man on the job!


10 posted on 11/29/2012 7:01:01 AM PST by WVKayaker ("Hang in there, America. Fight for what is right." - Sarah Palin 11/7/12)
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To: WVKayaker; Admin Moderator
Why should there be three threads with the same content, FRiend?

Here's why - not everyone has the time to read FR continuously, or scroll through pages of articles - so a single post of an important article can get easily missed. Repeats let us all catch up.

Really good articles, on really important topics - like the future of the country - deserve a thorough discussion with as many people as possible, not just those lucky enough to be online at a certain time.

Multiple posts are not all bad.


11 posted on 11/29/2012 7:07:55 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: DH

The winners get to write the history:
This was not a “Civil War”; no more than the American Colonies were a Civil War against the British crown.

The American Colonies won their war so the conflict is recorded as a War for Independence; if the British would have won it would have been recorded as a failed uprising.

The South lost their war so it was recorded as a Civil War; if they would have won they would celebrate their own Independence Day.


12 posted on 11/29/2012 7:27:25 AM PST by CoastWatcher
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To: WVKayaker

Cool. link, though it’s depressing given how many people read FR.


13 posted on 11/29/2012 7:58:43 AM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: Bob Buchholz

This individual who is apparently from West Virginia and likes to kayak jumped on an article I posted a few days ago that had to do with the evils of porn and masturbation. He is apparently for P&M and he continued on and on throughout the thread berating me, as well as others, about why it’s perfectly alright for children to be exposed to such evil.

He’s nitpicking.


14 posted on 11/29/2012 8:44:06 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: WVKayaker; Jim Robinson; FightforFreedomCA
we call that "distraction" in psychology

ive given in the past and means dont allow it lately -

nice head fake though

that said....

Maybe if you two would feed the coffers, those alleged flaws can be corrected!

maybe if you minded your own business and didnt police threads you werent invited to police - there would be no issue

you have no idea how much ive contributed, so please spare me the pomposity

15 posted on 11/29/2012 9:11:06 AM PST by Revelation 911
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To: IbJensen

seems to be a pattern


16 posted on 11/29/2012 9:14:03 AM PST by Revelation 911
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To: IbJensen
Great article.

Thanks for posting; I had missed the earlier posting of this article.

Prof. Williams nails it, as usual, though the central government statists will be apoplectic over it.

17 posted on 11/29/2012 9:16:27 AM PST by SharpRightTurn ( White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: WVKayaker; FightforFreedomCA

and I’ll add, respect your elders newbie


18 posted on 11/29/2012 9:19:53 AM PST by Revelation 911
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To: WVKayaker

Thanks for the link. Glad you posted it. I’m a Dollar-A-Day member but not shown as having donated at all this quarter. Think I’ll go check into this.


19 posted on 11/29/2012 11:21:31 AM PST by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: WVKayaker; Bob Buchholz

Perhaps you might want to consider that not all of us have seen the previous posts. Besides, anything by Walter Williams is worth reading at least twice.

I’m very glad your a monthly. Me, I just donate 4 or 5 times every Freepathon, and have done for many more years than you’ve been here. And yes, I choose to remain anonymous. I don’t need to advertise like some folks do. I’ve never looked to see what another Freeper donated - especially to justify my rudeness.

Soliciting for Free Republic donations is good: using it to justify authoritarian whining is bad.


20 posted on 11/29/2012 11:27:10 AM PST by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: jimt

So you state that you like to be anonymous about your contributions, yet say you donate multiple times each FReepathon, and whine at me... For advertising that I donate monthly, and ALMOST always use that links thing to the donate section!

I would get rude, but it means nothing to me that you whine like you were beaten (or pinged)!

Hmmmm...

https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/


21 posted on 11/29/2012 1:18:30 PM PST by WVKayaker ("Hang in there, America. Fight for what is right." - Sarah Palin 11/7/12)
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To: IbJensen

Actually in NC and your thread I made comments about had nothing to do with those subjects. You don’t even give a courtesy ping when you AGAIN try to link me to it.

I guess that subject is special to you. I posted about your groups claims and gave a lot of Scripture quotes, but of course, as typical when you have nothing to say, be like Obamama and just make things up!

Get a life, FRiend. I am not your problem, but your stalking and lying is certainly a problem. You claim to be Christlike, huh? Me, I’m just covered by His sacrifice... And Yes, I am a Christian, just not a member of the worlds largest cult of personalities!


22 posted on 11/29/2012 1:26:44 PM PST by WVKayaker ("Hang in there, America. Fight for what is right." - Sarah Palin 11/7/12)
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To: IbJensen

Reference:

Since you can’t remember things, this is the thread where I posted. it was you that referenced me concerning that other thread on which I had posted NOTHING!
You sure talk about porn and mb a lot...

Excommunicated priest...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2962334/posts


23 posted on 11/29/2012 1:33:14 PM PST by WVKayaker ("Hang in there, America. Fight for what is right." - Sarah Palin 11/7/12)
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To: WVKayaker

You’re a real piece of work sticking your nose into other peoples affairs and acting like the website’s personal cop.

That article, which I posted, and which you just couldn’t stay off of, was after the first caustic comment time for you to move on, but your prompting the website administrator that I had posted something that had already been posted took the cake!


24 posted on 11/29/2012 2:00:19 PM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: WVKayaker

Is this the part of my thread that applies to you?

25 posted on 11/29/2012 2:02:21 PM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: IbJensen

like


26 posted on 11/29/2012 2:35:30 PM PST by Revelation 911
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To: IbJensen
Wahhh.


28 posted on 11/30/2012 4:12:36 AM PST by WVKayaker ("Hang in there, America. Fight for what is right." - Sarah Palin 11/7/12)
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To: WVKayaker

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Looks like the Obama ship of state. You captain?


29 posted on 11/30/2012 5:46:11 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: IbJensen
This was for you, FRiend. Hahahaha, indeed~

Attempts to smear me fail every time...

Sorry your memory suffers~

30 posted on 11/30/2012 5:51:26 AM PST by WVKayaker ("Hang in there, America. Fight for what is right." - Sarah Palin 11/7/12)
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To: WVKayaker

I think I’m a few years older than you so, from time to time, my memory does suffer a few lapses. But my IQ is still 141.

Isn’t retirement wonderful, Kayaker, when two old men can screw around posting items of interest to them on the internet? I try not to goof off all day, but do enjoy a few hours in the morning reading and commenting.

Yes these are golden years, but by one way or the other they won’t last too much longer. Either we’ll disappear from view naturally or the POS in the White Hut will pull the plug on the nation and allow only flowery prose to describe his evil.

I don’t want to smear you, Kayaker. If we were ever to meet we might find each other interesting as due to our political beliefs we’re probably very similar, except you live in West (by God) Virginia and I live where many older Americans end up before they die: Florida.


31 posted on 11/30/2012 6:27:06 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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