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Who should win the Heisman? Johnny Football or Manti Te'o
ESPN ^ | Sunday, December 2, 2012 | Me

Posted on 12/02/2012 8:39:22 PM PST by MinorityRepublican


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1 posted on 12/02/2012 8:39:26 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican; Robert A. Cook, PE

Johnny Football all the way!!! Gig’em Aggies!


2 posted on 12/02/2012 8:41:17 PM PST by secret garden (Why procrastinate when you can perendinate?)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Johnny Football! (Fightin’ Texas Aggie Class of 94 here.)


3 posted on 12/02/2012 8:43:12 PM PST by HGSW0904
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To: secret garden; dfwgator

but will they be willing to vote for a freshman?


4 posted on 12/02/2012 8:45:44 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

Manti Teo has the big game performances, the individual accomplishment, the personal heroism, and the team leadership on and off the field, as well as the personal integrity and character (no jail time, like some) that fit the profile. He is deserving.


5 posted on 12/02/2012 8:48:15 PM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MinorityRepublican

T’eo deserves it, but he doesn’t play for an SEC team, and he’s a linebacker. So, the other kid will get it.


6 posted on 12/02/2012 8:50:50 PM PST by TonyInOhio (Miraculum Dominae Nostre)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Johnny Football!


7 posted on 12/02/2012 8:50:50 PM PST by Sporke (USS Iowa BB-61)
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To: TonyInOhio

I predict T’eo will get it, in the closest vote in years.


8 posted on 12/02/2012 8:55:03 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: TonyInOhio

Incorrect. Add numbers and make your case. Johnny Football BEAT ALABAMA. Put that In your pocket. I am old school SEC and know talent that deserves a Heisman. He may not win the Championship but neither did Paul Hornung.


9 posted on 12/02/2012 8:56:28 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Klein’s stock also may have moved up again, after they blew out t.u..


10 posted on 12/02/2012 8:56:34 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: MinorityRepublican; mickie; flaglady47; seenenuf
"Who should win the Heisman?"

Why, quarterback Sean Hannity, of course.

He has a tireless throwing arm and never misses his receiver (I think.....)

Leni

11 posted on 12/02/2012 8:56:55 PM PST by MinuteGal (Please Restore Former Format on FR "Latest Posts" Page ASAP !)
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To: eyedigress

But what did he do against UF?!?!?!

Ok, even after that game, even though UF won, I came away thinking for a guy starting his first big game, he was going to be pretty good.


12 posted on 12/02/2012 8:57:45 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: MinorityRepublican
If they don't, they should. His numbers are better than Tebow's when he won it as a sophomore.

Te'o is a great player, give him his due, he elevates his team, but no where near as much as Johnny F. The only defensive player that has won the Heisman is Charles Woodson of Michigan, but he was also a great kick returner, and oft times doubled as a wide receiver, so he was far more versatile.

13 posted on 12/02/2012 9:00:00 PM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: MrChips
He has had a great season...but it's nothing others haven't done. He's not even CLOSE to being in the top of anything tackle wise...barely has 50% of what the record holder has. Von Miller had better stats (minus the INT's)...not as many total tackles...but almost as many solo tackles...and a LOT more sacks and TFL's.

On the flip side...no freshman has even done what Johnny has done...and setting the SEC record (destroying it actually) has to also count for something...considering he BEAT the records of two Heisman trophy winners.

Sorry, this is a NO-Brainer.

14 posted on 12/02/2012 9:01:36 PM PST by NELSON111
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To: eyedigress
Manziel also lost games aginst SEC schools, and A&M scheduled 3 Division II schools, where he padded his numbers. And what was that arrest record, again?

ONE SPORTWRITER'S CASE FOR TEO:

The Heisman Trust states that “The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Winners epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work.” This is a perfect description of Manti Te’o. Te’o is a part of a two horse race between himself and Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel for college football’s top individual prize. Both players have impressive stats but Te’o excels in every way including intangibles and representing the spirit of the Heisman in ways Manziel cannot come close to equalling. Those arguing in favor of Manziel to be the Heisman winner point to the fact he has a Heisman moment, guiding the Aggies to a road victory over then number one ranked Alabama, while Te’o doesn’t possess such a moment, this notion is absurd. Te’o has led the Irish on two legendary goal line stands, one against Stanford in the pouring rain and another against USC to solidify the Irish’s trip to the national championship. These goal line stands symbolized the toughness of the Notre Dame defense, a defense led by Te’o, which takes its attitude from its senior leader. The Notre Dame defense and entire team for that matter are a reflection of Te’o, the team plays for each other and never gives up despite the odds, a team that takes the fight to the opponent instead of sitting back and playing not to lose. These intangibles all symbolize the spirit of Notre Dame, which Te’o has resurrected. Te’o also has a Heisman moment against Oklahoma, a team favored by double digits against the Irish, his fourth quarter interception of Sooners quarterback Landry Jones led to a game-clinching filed goal and established on primetime television as the world watched that Notre Dame is back.

Furthermore Te’o has 103 tackles, seven interceptions, good for second in the nation, two fumble recoveries, and eleven pass defenses. Te’o has had some games where he hasn’t had ground-breaking stat totals, but has never had an off game to the degree of costing his team a victory, as even when he is slowed down he makes sure the rest of the defense is in the right position to make plays. Te’o leads the number one defense in the nation, a unit that triumphs with its back to the goal line and makes opposing offenses earn every inch, a defense that has yet to have an awful game. Manziel on the other hand has produced great stats, throwing for 3419 yards and 24 touchdowns while completing 68 percent of his passes, to go along with 1181 yards and 19 touchdowns rushing, but has had off games. Manziel is in an offense made for him to rack up numbers win or lose; however, he has had poor outings which have led to his team’s two losses. Manziel threw for only 173 yards and no touchdowns, while rushing for only 60 in a loss to Florida, and played horrendously in a loss to LSU, throwing three interceptions while completing barely over 50 percent of his passes, and rushing for a mere 27 yards on 17 carries, not exactly Heisman-like performances. Also Te’o is a consensus first team all-American, while Manziel is not, and it seems ridiculous to have a Heisman trophy winner who isn’t an all-American.

Additionally Te’o’s story is story book, returning Notre Dame to glory and capturing the heart of a nation after playing in the same week he lost both his girlfriend and grandmother, and doing it all with a team expected to lose five games this season. On the other hand Manziel is just another spread quarterback racking up huge numbers. It is impressive he has done so as a freshman in the SEC, but he wasn’t even on the Heisman radar before the Alabama victory and quite frankly doesn’t possess Te’o’s body of work throughout the season. Manziel doesn’t have the intangibles of Teo as he is a freshman and is not the undisputed leader of his team, not to mention his arrest for disorderly conduct, not exactly what the Heisman statement symbolizes a player to be.

The Heisman symbolizes more than just stats; it symbolizes a player and a type of person which Te’o fits perfectly. Manti Te’o is the best player of the best team in the nation and as his head coach Brian Kelly has said if Te’o doesn’t win the Heisman it might as well become an offense only award. It’s simple, Te’o has been the man all year, Manziel is just the flavor of the month.

15 posted on 12/02/2012 9:02:55 PM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: NELSON111

I could throw for several hundred yards. myself, against South Carolina State and Sam Houston State.


16 posted on 12/02/2012 9:06:57 PM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MrChips
When considering a Heisman candidate, don't overlook Tyquion Ballard of the Whittier College Poets. He has six interceptions and 35 solo tackles and has forced two fumbles.


17 posted on 12/02/2012 9:07:23 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: MrChips

Really? With that kind of reply Johnny Majors should have won in 1956. Time is relative. Think about it.


18 posted on 12/02/2012 9:08:52 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: MinorityRepublican

OJ Simpson. Oh, wait, never mind.


19 posted on 12/02/2012 9:09:47 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: MinorityRepublican; All

Manti T’eo....No one thought the Domers would do so well this season...and T’eo is a big reason why. And, 7 Ints for a college LB is quite rare

Nothing against Manziel...who is a fine player that really improved as the season went along. Although Aggies success not as surprising to me because Kevin Sumlin is an excellent coach


20 posted on 12/02/2012 9:10:28 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Illegal Aliens do not pay Social Security...Employers do)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Collin Klein.


21 posted on 12/02/2012 9:11:36 PM PST by Mozilla
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To: MinorityRepublican

I predict in the current atmosphere the minority will win it.


22 posted on 12/02/2012 9:12:09 PM PST by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: dfwgator

He picked the team to beat..... Just kidding.

He did take out the Tide though. They will crush ND after a months cure.


23 posted on 12/02/2012 9:13:05 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: MinorityRepublican

ND fans, I don’t mean to be rude, but this isn’t even close. Manziel’s contribution far exceeds that of the LB.


24 posted on 12/02/2012 9:14:06 PM PST by GodfearingTexan
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To: vpintheak

Yep


25 posted on 12/02/2012 9:15:17 PM PST by GodfearingTexan
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To: dfwgator

He beat coach Satan and Bama. Good enough for me.


26 posted on 12/02/2012 9:15:34 PM PST by aliquando (A Scout is T, L, H, F, C, K, O, C, T, B, C, and R.)
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To: secret garden

bump


27 posted on 12/02/2012 9:30:15 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: MrChips
Tavon Austin, he is the most electrifying player in college football.
28 posted on 12/02/2012 9:34:39 PM PST by phormer phrog phlyer
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To: MinorityRepublican

The Honey Badger! Oh wait...


29 posted on 12/02/2012 9:35:44 PM PST by Dogbert41 (What now?)
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To: Dogbert41

Honey Badger is out


30 posted on 12/02/2012 9:36:48 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: eyedigress
No need to denigrate Hornung, who that year ran for 450 yards and passed for 1,337, occasionally played defense, ranking #2 on the team in tackles, made several interceptions, lined up as Quarterback, fullback, and tailback, was the punter, ranked #2 nationally in kickoff returns, #15 nationally in passing, #16 in scoring. He played through several injuries, and he was a two-time All-American. Majors finished a distant second in the voting, narrowly beating out Tom McDonald of Oklahoma, and actually did finish 3rd to McDonald in 1st place votes.

No one is arguing that Teo should win BECAUSE he is on a #1 team. They are saying that the Heisman once had a tradition of including in its criteria "that player who has meant the most to his team" and Manti certainly has a lot to do with Notre Dame's achievements this year, game in and game out. It's not all about winning. It's more about the inspiration he has given this team. And on the personal character issue . . . hands down, its Teo.

31 posted on 12/02/2012 9:38:25 PM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MrChips

You failed to give the numbers on Majors. Try again


32 posted on 12/02/2012 9:40:16 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: GodfearingTexan

Why? A bland statement is not a fact, nor an argument.


33 posted on 12/02/2012 9:40:33 PM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MrChips

Do you believe that the Aggies would be anywhere without their QB?


34 posted on 12/02/2012 9:43:38 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: eyedigress

I gave them on the voting. I have little interest in Majors. That’s your job. I made my point regarding Hornung, who was a worthy recipient. As for this year, I have a feeling it may revert to a little town in Kansas, not to Manziel or Teo. But, Teo is the better choice.


35 posted on 12/02/2012 9:45:10 PM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: eyedigress

Would any team be anywhere without a quarterback? No. But most teams have one. If you want to make the Heisman an Offensive award, that is your preference. That is not the official definition of the award. I happen to think it is a team sport.


36 posted on 12/02/2012 9:49:13 PM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MrChips

Did the LB make 90% of the tackles for ND? Did he stop 90% of all the potential td plays by the opposing offenses? Do LBs typically win over QBs with big time numbers (or even above avg numbers)? Nope.

Does it matter if I was making an argument or not? I was simply stating my opinion. This LB whatever his name is may be a great LB. And he certainly plays up for the cameras. But the proportion of his contribution to ND’s victories is not comparable to the A&M QB’s.


37 posted on 12/02/2012 9:50:35 PM PST by GodfearingTexan
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To: MrChips

It is a team sport. It is meant for the most influential football player. Ready to go there?


38 posted on 12/02/2012 9:53:02 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: GodfearingTexan
Do LBs typically win?

Maybe they should, once in a blue moon. It is not defined as an Offensive award. As for Manziel, frankly, big numbers against Sam Houston State and South Carolina State just do not impress me. Nor does his arrest record.

39 posted on 12/02/2012 9:54:08 PM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: SeminoleCounty

How did T’eo do against Pitt again?


40 posted on 12/02/2012 9:54:26 PM PST by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: eyedigress

I already have. Notre Dame would not have had the success it has had this year without Manti. There could be no more inspirational, nor “influential” player on any team.


41 posted on 12/02/2012 9:57:26 PM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MrChips

Explain the waste of putting Woodson over Manning in 1997.

Total politics. Manning still wins. The Heisman is crap. Might as well give out a world award. Oh wait.....


42 posted on 12/02/2012 9:58:53 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: MrChips

ALA. will rock ND. If they think USC was tough, January is going to hurt.


43 posted on 12/02/2012 10:01:50 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: MrChips

I haven’t heard about his arrest record. But that’s a separate issue not pertinent to this question. Two subpar nonconf opponents is to be expected. How many previous Heisman winners played smaller college programs early in the season??
LBs have the butkus award and its a great one. I wouldn’t be against the award going to a Def player or even an O lineman if he clearly was the best player in football. But aside from the “want” to give him the award and his irrelevant “storybook” qualities, his contribution to the team is not equal to Manziel’s for the reasons already given.


44 posted on 12/02/2012 10:03:48 PM PST by GodfearingTexan
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To: Ingtar

He won.


45 posted on 12/02/2012 10:08:44 PM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: GodfearingTexan

Reggie White should have took the H.

Didn’t happen

F that trophy


46 posted on 12/02/2012 10:09:03 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: eyedigress

Yeah, I have heard it all before. See you in Miami.


47 posted on 12/02/2012 10:10:00 PM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MrChips

I don’t waste money. Good Luck.


48 posted on 12/02/2012 10:12:32 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: GodfearingTexan

He had one big game. Two losses. Padded numbers against tiny schools. And the arrest record “not pertinent” to the Heisman? Character issues don’t matter? Tell that to Reggie Bush.


49 posted on 12/02/2012 10:13:45 PM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MrChips

Quit barking up the wrong tree.


50 posted on 12/02/2012 10:16:06 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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