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Who should win the Heisman? Johnny Football or Manti Te'o
ESPN ^ | Sunday, December 2, 2012 | Me

Posted on 12/02/2012 8:39:22 PM PST by MinorityRepublican

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To: octex

Johnny Football wins easily!!

61 posted on 12/03/2012 4:36:17 AM PST by ohioman
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To: MinorityRepublican

No one.

62 posted on 12/03/2012 4:38:40 AM PST by bmwcyle (Women reelected Obama)
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To: MinorityRepublican

The Heisman Trophy is a cursed award that almost always guarantees an undistinguished, if not disappointing career in the NFL. For their own good, I wouldn’t give it to either of them.

63 posted on 12/03/2012 4:55:01 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: GodfearingTexan

Apparently, Johnny was up in Northgate and got in between a friend of his and a 47 year old guy who were fighting because the old guy alleged Johnny’s friend uttered a racial slur against him. Johnny then (stupidly) offered a fake ID to the cops, and they found another in his wallet.

Not exactly hardened criminal status, more like one of the gajillion 18-20 year olds with fake ID’s who got busted. Doesn’t make it right, but when people say ‘he has an arrest record’, I’m thinking he’s churning out crack out of mom’s basement and assaulting the elderly while robbing them at the walk-up ATM. He’s guilty of being a stupid kid with a non-functioning frontal lobe.

64 posted on 12/03/2012 6:05:24 AM PST by HGSW0904
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To: MinorityRepublican

I would give it to Johnny Football for his name alone!

65 posted on 12/03/2012 6:11:31 AM PST by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: MinorityRepublican

My vote (if I had one) goes to:

Eddie Lacy

66 posted on 12/03/2012 6:36:02 AM PST by BO Stinkss
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To: HGSW0904

Thanks for the info. Sounds like an avg saturday night for me at that age, just didn’t get arrested. Non-issue.

67 posted on 12/03/2012 6:51:35 AM PST by GodfearingTexan
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To: Portcall24
There’s something fundamentally wrong about naming a school the Poets. Where are the people that did that now?

Whittierites are proud of the name. This is a Quaker school named for the Quaker poet John Greenleaf Whittier--and Greenleaf, Whittier's main drag, is four blocks away from the college.

For many years, "Chief" Wallace Newman was the football coach for Whittier. An American Indian who graduated from the Sherman Indian School in Riverside--one of the few schools that has a winning record over USC (they last played each other in 1916)--Newman later was a star for the Trojans in the 1923 Rose Bowl game. He was known for saying, "you show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." In 1969, as a member of the Whittier High School band, I watched as Newman presented President-elect Richard Nixon with his letter in football that he failed to win while playing for the Poets.

68 posted on 12/03/2012 7:44:43 AM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: eyedigress

What tree?

69 posted on 12/03/2012 7:54:55 AM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: GodfearingTexan

It is an issue for a leader.

70 posted on 12/03/2012 7:56:30 AM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: Brett66

for his name?! Barf!

71 posted on 12/03/2012 7:57:20 AM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: Ingtar

He had a sack (and rarely blitzes), several tackles and several pass breakups. In Q1 when Graham got most of his rushing yards, Teo was getting blocked by 2 players on most running plays. After ND adjusted, they controlled the LOS much better, which freed Teo and, when their back was up against the wall, Teo led the charge to shut Pitt down.

Remember, Pitt only ran about 60 plays in that game and ND ran more than 100. ND had 34 first downs to Pitt’s 14. They just fumbled three times. Teo made sure the defense held, anyway.

72 posted on 12/03/2012 8:01:19 AM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MrChips

I only watched the last bit, plus the overtimes. I guess that is why I did not find their defense all that impressive.

73 posted on 12/03/2012 8:06:08 AM PST by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: Ingtar
Well, keep in mind that Pitt is actually a pretty good team. Their own defense is ranked #16. And they knocked off some pretty good teams in Virginia Tech, Rutgers and USF. As for the overtimes, you had two exhausted teams slugging it our in cold, wet weather. ND fumbled 3 times. Pitt missed a FG, but so had ND, along with a fumbled sure touchdown that would have ended the game. It was just a slugfest in the mud. And sh*t happens, but, this time, it didn't . . . which is part of the magic of this team, in this storybook year. Here are a few more facts about Teo from the ND website:

CAREER: Consensus preseason first-team All-America linebacker for 2012 ... played in all 38 games in Notre Dame career, starting 36 total games including 35 consecutive contests for the Irish ... one of highest regarded and most-decorated defensive recruits to select Notre Dame in recent memory ... totaled 324 tackles, 157 solo stops, 28.5 tackles for loss, seven sacks, six pass breakups and two forced fumbles ... ranks eighth at Notre Dame in career tackles ... named a second-team All-American by five outlets in 2011 ... earned Capital One Academic All-America Second Team honors in 2011 ... finalist for the Lott Trophy and Butkus Award in 2011 ... his 133 tackles in 2010 finished just outside the top 10 in single-season school history ... the 133 tackles were the most by an Irish player since Tony Furjanic made 147 in 1983 ... has recorded 10 or more tackles in a game 18 times over his career ... only four Irish players started more games on defense in 2009 ... recorded third-most tackles ever by an Irish freshman and ranked fourth on team with 63 stops.

And that doesn't even begin to touch his personal story, the tragedies he has suffered this year, the hardships he has played under, the inspiration he has given the team, the leadership on and off the field, the support of fellow players (especially Golson). Few people know that when Declan Sullivan fell from the tower and was killed last year, the first to rush to his side, kneeling over him in prayer, was Manti Teo. This is a good guy. And a really deserving guy.

74 posted on 12/03/2012 5:17:18 PM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MinuteGal

“Who should win the Heisman?”
Why, quarterback Sean Hannity, of course.

He has a tireless throwing arm and never misses his receiver (I think.....)


LOL, that’s funny. I vote for Hannity too. He never misses (your caveat: I think).

75 posted on 12/03/2012 7:08:27 PM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: MrChips

If he was arrested for providing a fake I’d to a local cop in a parking lot, as described above, then it is a non-issue. Are you telling me that Heisman candidates also must have a spotless arrest record, where even minor misdemeanors are grounds for removal for consideration? Are you saying that because on the night in question he misrepresented himself to a cop that he is morally unfit to win the Heisman? If so, then you’re more than just “out of touch,” you’re also lacking critical thinking and judgment skills.

After all, these are young kids playing a game. And the Heisman is, in the end, nothing more than an award for kids who play a game.

76 posted on 12/03/2012 9:48:42 PM PST by GodfearingTexan
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To: GodfearingTexan
There was more than one offense: Fake ID, Failure to Identify, and Disorderly Conduct. He presented to the police not one but two fake ID's, from different states, in the process of repeating lies to them about his real identity. It is also apparent that he initiated the bar fight, not verbally but physically. Whether or not the three offenses constitute a disqualification, they do matter. The Heisman mission statement includes both an "integrity" clause and a "community service" clause. And they are pertinent to the discussion and the vote. That being said, I do prefer to focus less on why Manziel does not deserve it, and, rather, to focus more on why Teo does. Teo's personal story is remarkable on and off the field. From Matt Fortuna's article at ESPN:

. . . he has risen to the occasion whenever it has mattered most. At then-No. 10 Michigan State, three days after his double-dose of tragedy? Twelve tackles, one tackle for loss and one fumble recovery, helping bottle up Le'Veon Bell. A week later against Michigan, the day of his girlfriend's funeral? Two picks, one tackle for loss and two more forced picks with pressures of Denard Robinson, who had tortured the Irish the previous two years. At Oklahoma? Game-sealing interception. At USC? Another timely pick . . . .

And in every game this season he has made a huge difference; he is the reason Notre Dame is ranked #1. And his rising to the occasion extends to the sidelines, to his leadership, to the mentor role with younger players, to his career record, and to his many (and inspiring) actions off the field. The full wording of the Heisman mission statement screams "Teo." He's deserving candidate, and I hope he wins it.

P.S. Critical thinking and judgment are not "skills" . . . no one on this board should ever allow himself to use the bogus scientific jargon of the educrat Left.

77 posted on 12/04/2012 7:22:58 AM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MrChips

Whether or not you believe them to be skills, which is a manner of speaking more than scientific jargon, your desire to paint Manziel as unworthy of the award on moral grounds indicates to me that you’re lacking in that department.

I don’t care if your ND guy suffered two tragedies. Heck, just today I heard a radio debate on whether he is even the best defensive player in the country. Honestly, it matters not to me who gets the Heisman. If your guy gets it, fine. It’s a game that has no impact on anything of substance. When people allow their lives and emotions to be caught up in the irrelevant outcome of a game...well, let’s just say there are more important things to talk about.

78 posted on 12/04/2012 9:45:31 PM PST by GodfearingTexan
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To: GodfearingTexan
Twice now you have put words in my mouth. I did not say that Manziel's arrest record was disqualifying nor that he was "unworthy" for it. I simply said it should be a factor, worthy of discussion, especially given the history of other winners whose awards were tainted or taken back on moral grounds. It is pertinent.

P.S. Declining literary standards are what they are. Schoolteacher here. Sorry.

P.P.S. No one truly should believe that outcomes of games are irrelevant. People can hate Notre Dame, but they cannot deny that the standards they uphold (with a nod to Stanford) are good for college football . . . which makes them relevant beyond what happens on the field. And what a win would mean to my highly decorated WWII father, ND '48, is, well, simply priceless. Yes, games have relevance and have an impact (which is not a verb) on things of substance.

79 posted on 12/05/2012 11:40:20 AM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MrChips
Manti wouldn't even start for the Tide...Johnny Football all the way!
80 posted on 12/07/2012 8:48:02 AM PST by Truthbomb
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