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Gun Hypocrisy: With so many guns what are 2nd Amendment enthusiasts waiting for?
Nolan Chart ^ | December 9, 2012 | Joel S. Hirschhorn, libertarian

Posted on 12/22/2012 4:29:34 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Puzzling me for a long time is the inconsistency between two claims by gun and Second Amendment supporters. One is that what they worship is critically needed to defend themselves against a government that they would view as oppressive and unacceptable. The other is their belief that the US government has already become awful, stealing their liberties.

Why then, I keep asking myself, have we not seen a violent uprising among the untold millions of Americans owning guns to take back their government? Why do we not see what goes on in European nations, namely violent public uprisings against governments?

There is more private gun ownership in the US than any other nation. We have a far right part of the population with considerable public presence and power. FOX News, the Tea Party movement, and countless groups and think tanks angrily attacking the mainstream media, liberals, and leftist politicians as well as just about everything done by President Obama.

So, why hasn’t the massive number of gun nuts who keep expressing their love of the Second Amendment actually done what they claim is exactly needed, what the Second Amendment was created to give them the right to do, and what their massive gun power supposedly gives them the means to accomplish? Especially when they lose major elections, when their Republican and conservative politicians fail to deliver to them?

Are the paranoid doom and gloom gun nuts waiting for things to get a whole lot worse before they actually implement the grand plan to use their guns to overthrow what they see as an evil, unconstitutional and oppressive government?

From their perspective, how much worse does the government have to become before they finally get the courage to use their guns and restore American democracy and liberties?(continued)

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I've wondered that myself, from a different perspective, of course.
1 posted on 12/22/2012 4:29:40 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Im not sure what the go signal will be either, but some will notice it before others.


2 posted on 12/22/2012 4:34:47 PM PST by samadams2000
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

America is still in that awkward in-between age. But the left is working hard to push us over the edge.


3 posted on 12/22/2012 4:35:49 PM PST by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We’re smarter than they are and have a far greater respect for the American ideal which makes us unwilling to throw it away to get what we want.

We’re certainly not going to be goaded into a fight by this clown.


4 posted on 12/22/2012 4:37:40 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s it.

I wonder IF and HOW MANY will recognize Obama’s reichstag fire.


5 posted on 12/22/2012 4:45:00 PM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’d say it was because most thinking people understand that the next civil war will be a terrible affair. Our society still bears scars from the last one, 150 years ago. One does not undertake such a thing lightly.


6 posted on 12/22/2012 4:47:14 PM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Or, just give up, bite the bullet and shoot yourselves. Make us gun control enthusiasts happy.

Man, those leftists REALLY dig calling for the deaths of their enemies.

But, yeah, it's okay when they do it because they're all about peace, love, etc.

7 posted on 12/22/2012 4:52:23 PM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It would seem that most Americans are not arming up just to obey any orders from the government to register, turn in, store in an armory, etc, their best self-defense against tyranny.

The way its looking now it will start like it did the last two time there was massive armed resistance on US soil. Both times the trigger was when they came to confiscate the people’s firearms.

They cannot bring about Bill Ayer’s goal of killing 25 million Americans unless we cannot fight back.


8 posted on 12/22/2012 4:53:25 PM PST by Mechanicos (When did we amend the Constitution for a 2nd Federal Prohibition?)
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To: GenXteacher

Yup and the left desperately wants to goad us into a fight for a reason. Our challenge is to refuse to let them do it so we can fight them smart and on our terms.

If you look at the way things are going within the individual states, the future isn’t looking so hot for the democrats. Republicans hold all 3 branches of government in 23 or 24 states and the democrats hold all 3 branches in 13 states. The trend is not looking good for the democrats at all.


9 posted on 12/22/2012 4:53:47 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It is not time yet.
The parameters have not been set.

I have the opinion that some folks are waiting for the “low-inforamtion” crowd, to bubble over and foment, thereby, it would be in response, not in aggression, with the same sort of outcome, or so I’ve heard.


10 posted on 12/22/2012 4:55:43 PM PST by Terry L Smith
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Why?

“Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.”

You don't lightly throw your country into a civil war.

11 posted on 12/22/2012 4:58:01 PM PST by Little Ray (Get back to work. Your urban masters need their EBTs refilled.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s called keeping our power dry, and I think it’s still wise for now.

I also think it will obvious when it’s no longer wise, and I think they’re pushing to wards that point as I type.


12 posted on 12/22/2012 4:59:46 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

I’m starting to think it happened in Connecticut just recently.


13 posted on 12/22/2012 5:04:46 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Joel S. Hirschhorn, libertarian

I think this gentleman is confused about what the word libertarian means. Either that or it is end times, with black meaning white, up meaning down and libertarian meaning gun-confiscating commie.

14 posted on 12/22/2012 5:04:46 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I don’t know why, but this buffoon wrote this crap weeks ago (December 9th) and yet reminds me of Joel Chandler Harris:

"Skin me, Br'er Fox, snatch out my eyeballs, tear out my ears by the roots, and cut off my legs, but do please, Br'er Fox, don't fling me in that briar patch!" —Br'er Rabbit

15 posted on 12/22/2012 5:06:25 PM PST by Brandonmark (OWCM is The new American Minority! 11.06.12 - Day of Infamy!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Why then, I keep asking myself, have we not seen a violent uprising among the untold millions of Americans owning guns to take back their government?

I've said this before and I'll say it again, despite all the bluster and chest thumping by the keyboard commandos, we won't ever see one as long as the thumpers have jobs, mortgages, payments on their new Dodge Ram 1500's and families to provide for..........

16 posted on 12/22/2012 5:08:02 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

God forbid, if we have a ‘next one’ within the next month, that will certainly do it.


17 posted on 12/22/2012 5:08:12 PM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: dagogo redux

‘Why do we not see what goes on in European nations, namely violent public uprisings against governments? ‘

Huh??? Have I missed something?

What public uprisings in Europe?

Is this author referring to the uprisings in the MidEast and northern Africa?

These uprisings were inspired by the Muslim Brotherhood in an effort to overthrow the current governments.

Some people must write just to hear themselves think.


18 posted on 12/22/2012 5:08:19 PM PST by Delta Dawn (The whole truth.)
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To: dagogo redux
The limp-wristed faggot that wrote this article seems to be pushing toward that point.
19 posted on 12/22/2012 5:10:31 PM PST by 2111USMC (aim small, miss small)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What we are all waiting for is a George Washington.


20 posted on 12/22/2012 5:11:50 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The one thing that Hollywood gets right about guns is that crminals will always get them.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This actually bodes well for the vast majority of gun owners exercising incredible restraint. It just goes to show what truly decent law abiding people they are.

It would not take much however once blatant attempts at confiscation and criminalization took place to push it all over the edge.


21 posted on 12/22/2012 5:14:33 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I no more worship my guns than I do my fire extinguishers. I don’t want to have to use either in an emergency, but it’s far better to have and not need them than vice versa.


22 posted on 12/22/2012 5:16:36 PM PST by Argus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I’m starting to think it happened in Connecticut just recently.

I agree.
23 posted on 12/22/2012 5:17:32 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: vbmoneyspender

He must be one of those Bill Maher “libertarians”. I do not think that word means what he thinks it means.


24 posted on 12/22/2012 5:18:28 PM PST by Marie Antoinette (:)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Connecticut may actually not be the first or even the second. I am really uncertain but some things just don’t add up.


25 posted on 12/22/2012 5:19:23 PM PST by RipSawyer (I was born on Earth, what planet is this?)
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Or, just give up, bite the bullet and shoot yourselves. Make us gun control enthusiasts happy.

LOL you leftist stooge.

Reminds me of a joke:

What did the masochist say to the sadist? "Hurt me"

What did the sadist say to the masochist? "No"

26 posted on 12/22/2012 5:19:23 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

1) If it weren’t for the Second Amendment we would already be slaves. The Marxists in our nation would have made their move to tyranny long ago. With full knowledge that there are likely several million of gun owners in this nation that can shoot the eye out of a gnat at 400 yards, politicians tend to be less over reaching in their ambitions.

2) Conservatives are rational people. They understand that historically Civil War is a catastrophic event in terms of lives lost and destruction of wealth. There is still plenty of opportunity to turn this nation around. It is the Second Amendment, and the extra stretch in the political culture that it allows, that makes this opportunity for **peaceful** change entirely possible.


27 posted on 12/22/2012 5:23:46 PM PST by wintertime
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
From the linked article: "... the number of households owning guns has declined from almost 50 percent in 1973 to just over 32 percent in 2010."

Also from the linked article: "... the number of Democratic households with firearms in their homes skyrocketed from 30 percent in 2009 to 40 percent today."

It's no wonder that gun-grabbing liberals can't balance the national budget. I doubt that they even know it's not balanced.

In order to believe the author's claims, one would have to believe that a greater percentage of Democratic households contain guns than non-Democratic.

Perhaps the author is telling us that the guns in Democratic households are not "owned". Perhaps they have all been stolen? Or dredged out of America's lakes along with the wreckage of many ill-fated boats?

28 posted on 12/22/2012 5:23:58 PM PST by William Tell
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
So. It is hypocritical when a right thinker does not behave in the simplistic way a fuzzy thinking, brain dead liberal thinks he should act?

Liberals do not actually understand what hypocrisy is, or they would turn their contempt upon themselves.

29 posted on 12/22/2012 5:24:49 PM PST by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What part of Joel is libertarian? His anus?


30 posted on 12/22/2012 5:26:47 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Conservatives rarely resort to gun violence. All the assassinations and mass killings have been leftists.


31 posted on 12/22/2012 5:30:48 PM PST by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“America is at that awkward stage. It’s too late to work within the system, but it’s too early to start shooting the bastards.”

~ Claire Wolfe


32 posted on 12/22/2012 5:31:38 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
At this present time there is no lessor magistrate to organize an insurrection against a government which is operating in a great fashion illegally. To undertake such a venture without a legally empowered magistrate would surely lead to anarchy. The differences between the American war for independence, the french revolution and the Russian revolution must continue to provide a gaze into how one sets to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them. This particular conflict is geographical (urban v rural) it is religious (atheist v theist)and as such it is cultural and economic. It is the sanity of gun owners that is keeping the tenuous peace and it is prima facie that the second amendment is rational and sane even in a day of high capacity magazines.
33 posted on 12/22/2012 5:34:41 PM PST by DaveyB (Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. -John Adams)
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To: Hot Tabasco

I tend to agree with you. It’s when a man is hungry, empty belly hungry or in fear for his family that you see him start to react in the mode of a rat backed into a corner. Fighting and spitting and kicking because there is nowhere else to run to.

Soldiers have to be taught to fight, to understand the consequences of fighting and that people die in combat or as sometimes is a worse fate survive but so badly damaged in mind and body that they might as well had died on the battlefield. Civilians can talk a good game but really how many are willing to go that extra step?

You know... the one that breaks the “Normalcy Bias” or as I call it, “Social Inertia”. A person will not know until it happens and when it does? You can’t ever go back to the person you once were.


34 posted on 12/22/2012 5:44:48 PM PST by The Working Man
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To: Delta Dawn
What public uprisings in Europe?

Greece for one. Italy and Spain too.

But he is forgeting it was his people rioting because the government tit has dried up.

Our side is waiting for his people to try this against our property....

35 posted on 12/22/2012 6:03:16 PM PST by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: Blood of Tyrants
What we are all waiting for is a George Washington.
This is one reason.
And God help us, it ain't going to be Boehner
36 posted on 12/22/2012 6:09:03 PM PST by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: jwalsh07
What part of Joel is libertarian? His anus?

Joel is confusing libertarian with libertine
37 posted on 12/22/2012 6:12:34 PM PST by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Because we are a reasonable, peaceful people.


38 posted on 12/22/2012 6:34:23 PM PST by Tzimisce (What do you do when every every branch of the government is corrupt and aligned against you?)
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To: Mechanicos

Think about Ayers comment and the time in which it was made.

1972 or so...right. 25 million represented about 10% of the population then, about 209 million. So it would be closer to 35 million now with a population of 314 million.

Ayers and his ilk are set to outdo Mao Stalin AND Hitler combined.


39 posted on 12/22/2012 6:37:08 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Obama has turned America into an aristocracy of the unaccomplished.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Why do we not see what goes on in European nations, namely violent public uprisings against governments?"

That's funny.


40 posted on 12/22/2012 6:38:17 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Tzimisce
I'm getting more unreasonable and aggressive as the days go by.
41 posted on 12/22/2012 6:38:26 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Joel S. Hirschhorn, libertarian

Joel will be one of the first asking the later question of, "where were the 2nd amendment proponents when we needed them". That's the question Joel won't be able to ask out loud, since he will have lost his freedom of expression, along with his 2nd amendment right. But, I doubt that Joel is libertarian, since a libertarian would be against government intrusion into our lives and into our bill of rights, which includes the 2nd amendment.
42 posted on 12/22/2012 6:41:20 PM PST by adorno (Y)
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To: samadams2000

What is required? Three things: A trigger event, a plan, and organization. No one knows what the trigger event will be. It could be be major or seemingly minor event that sets off the chain reaction. There is more than one plan that would succeed and at least two that would be basically bloodless. Organization is a simple at two words: “Stand By”.


43 posted on 12/22/2012 6:46:51 PM PST by Revolutionary ("Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!")
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To: samadams2000

What is required? Three things: A trigger event, a plan, and organization. No one knows what the trigger event will be. It could be be major or seemingly minor event that sets off the chain reaction. There is more than one plan that would succeed and at least two that would be basically bloodless. Organization is as simple as two words: “Stand By”.


44 posted on 12/22/2012 6:47:24 PM PST by Revolutionary ("Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The left will run out of handouts before armed Americans run out of guns and ammo. Parasite on left violence will start first. Since the left has nothing to give, there is no reason for armed Americans to go on offense. Lock and load and pass the popcorn. The mutual attrition of parasites and the left means less targets. It’s a lot easier playing defense anyway. Socialism always fails, always.


45 posted on 12/22/2012 6:48:57 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This Joel ahole who wrote this crap calls himself a “libertarian?” Seriously?


46 posted on 12/22/2012 6:49:41 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (November 6, 2012.....A day that will live in infamy!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Any guns I may own are for my self defense of my family first and for feeding my family second.


47 posted on 12/22/2012 6:58:26 PM PST by Randy Larsen (Aim small, Miss small.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Waco.
Ruby Ridge.

Funny how the Feds never tried such things again.


48 posted on 12/22/2012 7:02:51 PM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Perhaps because they have not started hauling people off to the concentration camps, breaking down front doors to confiscate weapons, and shooting people in the streets yet. Have you noticed uprisings in other parts of the world, espeically the middle east against their oppressors. Yes! Where? In those countries where the people had access to weapons. When people are pushed far enough by the government in this nation, you may very well see it. Dont’ forget, we did have a War of Independence in our history, as well as a Civil War. They both built up over a period of time before the blood spillage began.


49 posted on 12/22/2012 7:08:14 PM PST by evangmlw
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
AS USUAL, the inestimable ANNIE COUlTER...GETS IT RIGHT.... IN her latest column she proves beyond a doubt that....that the only policy that ever did and every will protect society from the crazed killer is CONCEALED CARRY. Quoting study after study after study conducted by the equally inestimable JOHN LOTT and WILLIAM LANDES ..."Landes and Lott examined many of the very policies being proposed right now in response to the Connecticut massacre: waiting periods and background checks for guns, the death penalty and increased penalties for committing a crime with a gun. None of these policies had any effect on the frequency of, or carnage from, multiple-victim shootings. (I note that they did not look at reforming our lax mental health laws, presumably because the ACLU is working to keep dangerous nuts on the street in all 50 states.)

ONLY ONE PUBLIC POLICY HAS EVER BEEN SHOWN TO REDUCE THE DEATH RATE FROM SUCH CRIMES: CONCEALED CARRY LAWS."

END OF STORY....

I guess members of the staffs of the gun grabbin congress folks arent as good at researching as the lone, lovely brainy ANN.... What a national treasure!

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2012-12-19.html#read_more


50 posted on 12/22/2012 7:19:00 PM PST by jimsin
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