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Gun control measures must be taken (Ban semi-auto guns & large capacity magazine clips?)
The Journal Tribune ^ | December 27, 2012 | Bernard Featherman

Posted on 12/28/2012 2:04:42 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Gun violence continues to cause horrific tragedies in America. The latest incident, at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut on Dec. 14, illustrates how the occurrence of such a terrible tragedy can spread heartbreak throughout the nation.

Whose children will not feel frightened about going to school, after learning of this disaster? Which children will not have occasional nightmares now? Something needs to change, to reduce the likelihood of more of these incidents.

In Connecticut, a 20-year-old troubled youth killed 20 young children and five members of the school staff, after killing his mother with her own guns. It was a planned and deliberate school shooting. Such incidents may well continue nationwide, even though very few school communities have been touched by gun shooting or killings in the past. Yet, few schools have developed safety practices to prevent such occurrences.

Disasters can happen anywhere. On the same Dec. 14, at a school in China, 20 young students were stabbed by a knife-wielding man, but fortunately the students were only injured, not killed. Because he used a knife instead of an assault gun, he was able to be stopped before people died.

Across the globe, people have been attacked with guns or knives, by angry or mentally disturbed persons. The NRA is right in saying that guns don’t kill, people do. But it is wrong in denying that more deaths occur when the attacker has assault type weapons. What we need right now is reasonable discussion and reasonable compromise...

(Excerpt) Read more at journaltribune.com ...


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: banglist; congress; guncontrol; maine; secondamendment
This is the Left's real agenda.
1 posted on 12/28/2012 2:04:59 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What we need right now is reasonable discussion and reasonable compromise...

There is no 'reason' and there is no 'compromise' in the left's agenda in using this tragedy for the ghoulish advancement of their unending need to absolutely control a free people.

Reason and compromise are not the foundations of Senator Feinstein's proposed gun-bill which not only strengthens the expired AWB, but goes much, much further: adding up to 100 prohibited weapons, 'grandfathering-in-name-only' REGISTRATION, POSITIVE IDENTIFICATION, INVENTORY OF WEAPONS, and on and on and on and on.

Only decent, law-abiding Americans would obey this new law if passed, and they would be fools to do so. Criminals will ignore it and the thousands of other laws already on the books. And, this new law would make criminals of more Americans than they have yet to realize, because those of us who are not in the 'fool' category will ignore it until they are challenged.

2 posted on 12/28/2012 2:22:01 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
... "reasonable compromise" ...

give up your weapons and we'll let you live...

I'm not falling for that trick.

Come and get 'em.

3 posted on 12/28/2012 2:22:47 AM PST by exnavy (Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Measure must be taken to control totalitarians.


4 posted on 12/28/2012 2:24:45 AM PST by PGalt
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To: exnavy

Socialism is slavery.


5 posted on 12/28/2012 2:27:31 AM PST by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: Gaffer

Gun-Free Zones Supporters Enable Shootings: they shall be responsible for the lost lives.


6 posted on 12/28/2012 2:30:02 AM PST by PieroC (pieroc)
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To: Gaffer

I’m’ guessing atleast 15 to 20 million Americans would passively become felons overnight. I will risk prison time over becoming a victom of crime or even genocide sometime down the road. It’s better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.


7 posted on 12/28/2012 2:34:08 AM PST by MachIV
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To: MachIV

A lot of gun owners are going to segregate their weapons from now on. “Segregate?” Separating those 4473 weapons from private sales, etc.....

Likely too, there will be a flurry of private ‘sales’ of those holdings that are 4473 originated.


8 posted on 12/28/2012 2:39:24 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: PieroC

Well, I’ve certainly never heard of a police precinct being robbed or an attempted mass murder by gun being perpetrated, have you?


9 posted on 12/28/2012 2:40:50 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Gun control? Hell, let’s have totalitarian control! Up against the wall, Communists!


10 posted on 12/28/2012 2:44:28 AM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“...Something needs to change, to reduce the likelihood of more of these incidents...”

Yes, we need to first get serious about putting criminals in jail and keeping them there away from society. Second we need to identify and get help for mentally ill people who are threats to themselves and others and if they are still a danger to society involuntarily commitment to a mental institution that will protect society from them.

Yes, something does need to change, but Connecticut had an Assault Weapons Ban, so pass a federal one would not have done a thing to prevent the tragedy in Connecticut.

11 posted on 12/28/2012 2:46:29 AM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You want to save children’s lives? Ban private swimming pools.


12 posted on 12/28/2012 3:39:57 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So some small town fish wrapper let another mouth breather near a keyboard. It’s not news. Let Mr. Featherman try to take away a gun.


13 posted on 12/28/2012 3:41:44 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We need POLITICIAN control to protect our rights. There must be intelligence tests along with common sense test before they can run for office.
14 posted on 12/28/2012 3:50:55 AM PST by I Drive Too Fast
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Gun violence continues to cause horrific tragedies in America.”

The French economist Bastiat said that all effects of a situation must be taken into effect, both the seen and the unseen.

The “seen” in this case is the mass murder of over two dozen people at Sandy Hook. The “unseen” is the defensive use of firearms over 2 million times a year by lawful citizens against criminals who are outside of any gun control law that this author insists we must have.

The “seen” is “reasonable discussion and reasonable compromise”. The “unseen” is an agenda that moves inexorably to terminal infringement of a right that “shall not be infringed”.

This explains the recent quote by ABC News from NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg:

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But if he had his preference, Bloomberg said he would go farther than the 1994 ban and outlaw all automatic and semi-automatic weapons and high-capacity magazines. The mayor said magazines shouldn’t be allowed to contain more than five or six rounds.

“If you haven’t hit the deer with three shots, you’re a pretty lousy shot. The deer deserves to get away,” he said....

link: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bloomberg-blasts-nra-connecticut-actions/story?id=18029157

Bloomberg is struggling to be an opinion leader on this issue. In the world he would like to see, and that many others would like to see as well, his body guards could have as much ammunition as they thought necessary to protect him, but you could not share the same right to protect yourself.

The same goes for magazine-waiving David Gregory.

Their idea of “reasonable discussion and reasonable compromise” is to force the rest of us to go from 30 rounds to 10 rounds to 7 rounds to “five or six” rounds to three rounds to one round and then of course like in the UK, to ZERO rounds, where it would be illegal to even use the firearm as a club with which to bludgeon an assailant lest he be too severely injured.

But back to the seen and the unseen. Advocates of restrictions are really attempting to outlaw violent behavior, which of course they cannot do. They are reacting to an outburst of evil hatred that began when a young man shot his own mother four times in the head while she lay in bed. Now, tell me again which of all the new restrictions being proposed would have stopped this outburst of murder and mayhem?

What I see from people pushing this new “reasonable discussion and reasonable compromise” is not reasonable in any way shape or form. In fact it insults my intelligence.


15 posted on 12/28/2012 4:00:12 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: theBuckwheat

I hold it, that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical....thomas jefferson 1787


16 posted on 12/28/2012 4:04:58 AM PST by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Whose children will not feel frightened about going to school, after learning of this disaster?”

Far, far more children die in the process of going to school than by crazies with guns when there.


17 posted on 12/28/2012 4:07:36 AM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: Gaffer

Interesting point about the police stations and leads me to this...given that most police departments today are armed beyond what the armies of most small nations have at their disposol, why does anyone now suspect we need less 2nd amendment protection from our government than did the founders who while somewhat less armed than the Brits at least had similarly deadly weapons? 30 or more years ago, I did not fear our government, today, I view it as a worse enemy than the USSR was or the Chinese are.


18 posted on 12/28/2012 4:12:46 AM PST by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: Mouton

Most large, and some smaller, LE departments have taken advantage of “confiscation” opportunites that were meant to punish drug criminals, etc., but have spilled over into just plain confiscation of any opportunity. They’ve equipped themselves to the same preparedness of our elite military units. Why? There just aren’t that many situations that require ubiquitous preparedness such as this.

In Atlanta Metropolitan Area for instance. There are SWAT teams in EVERY surrounding county, two three deep in most instances. It leads one to suspect there are other situations they are preparing for.

Like you, I don’t trust this government one bit. Not a hint of a bit.


19 posted on 12/28/2012 4:19:30 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“What we need right now is reasonable discussion and reasonable compromise..”

Reasonable discussion is not possible when dealing with the ranting lunatic socialists on the left. Their idea of compromise is for us to do as they dictate.

The Second Amendment is not negotiable, except by way of further amendment via the Constitutional process. Of course, the 0bamunists have never seen a law they can’t ignore...


20 posted on 12/28/2012 4:31:38 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Still seeking change.)
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To: Gaffer

“but have spilled over into just plain confiscation of any opportunity.”

Right about that for sure. Even DUIs and they look to impound the car. Beyond that roving bands of TSA thugs out on the highway, something akin to the Sheriff of Nottingham,
TSA at the airport doing virtual strip searches, authority to jail CITIZENS without court, interception of communications without warrant, spying on mail without court order, taxing for health care, condemnation of property for ANY reason, refusing to certify individuals for office (Oturd), funding without budgets....on and on. Most all of these examples began after 1995 or so. Now there is a bill being proposed to ban almost all firearms.

I wonder when the sheeple will wake up. Most of the Bill of Rights are gone, one is teetering, and the only one yet to be attacked is the one about quartering soldiers so i guess that will be next, we will each have to put a block watcher in our residences to keep an eye on things. Welcome to Nazi Germany on steroids.


21 posted on 12/28/2012 4:34:48 AM PST by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

None of the gun control measures they are pushing have ever been shown to stop, deter or in anyway have a positive effect on crime reduction. In fact they have proven to increase violent crime where they are tried. Thus, their purported basis for pushing gun control is a fraud.

It is also of note that the ones who are pushing these gun control measures idolize Stalin’s Russia, China, similar other oppressive governments. Nor have they, the gun banners, ever refuted the numerous calls from their side (Ayers for example) to kill their opposition. They also repeatedly show a strong violence streak with a gleeful view of it happening to their political opposition.

Looking at the proposed gun bans/restrictions in that light, noting the specifics of what they want in the this latest bill - the purpose is to make it impossible to defend against them when they go for the final push to transform America.

IMHO, any traditional American who complies with their agenda of weakening/disarming the free people of America is likely committing suicide. At minimum they are allowing Stalin’s Russia to be recreated for their children to live in - complete with the misery, oppression and starvation.

The only reason for them to try to disarm/weaken our ability to defend ourselves from them is to have a better chance of imprisoning or killing us for resisting them.

It is happening here.


22 posted on 12/28/2012 5:05:21 AM PST by Mechanicos (When did we amend the Constitution for a 2nd Federal Prohibition?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lessee here...

It illegal to murder...(what, 20+ counts?)
It is illegal to carry a gun on school grounds...
It is illegal for a felon to posses a gun...
It is illegal to steal (It was mom’s gun)...
(Feel free to add to this list)

Answer, let’s add another stupid libtard law to the books that only the law abiding will obey and be restricted by.


23 posted on 12/28/2012 5:14:25 AM PST by CPOSharky (zero slogan: Expect less, pay more. (apologies to Target))
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To: Gaffer

If they were interested in an honest discussion, they would talk about the fact that the vast majority of murders are committed by blacks and hispanics and the fact that assault rifles are, statistically speaking, almost never used to commit murder. then they would be forced to conclude that taking assault weapons away from law abiding and, typically, white people will do nothing to address the murder problem in America so they, of course, don’t really want an honest discussion about gun control- they just want us to STFU and go along. Sorry libs. It’s not happening. So FU and the monkey you rode in on.


24 posted on 12/28/2012 5:32:18 AM PST by RC one (From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Baloney.

We have grieved for two weeks. Constantly.

The shooter is dead.

Do nothing. Move on, and preserve American freedom.

There will be occasional times when we must grieve.

But we must not bend.

Ever.


25 posted on 12/28/2012 5:36:09 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Gaffer

No! That sentence should read:

“Decent, law-abiding Americans will disregard this new law if passed, and they would be fools not to do so.”

Holding on to the means of self defense from either criminal individuals or a criminal regime, is NOT a crime!


26 posted on 12/28/2012 6:49:17 AM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I am really getting tired of the Liberals definition or lack of of exactly what an assault weapon is. I have just finished building a custom Spikes Tactical AR-15, not a cheap weapon. Also in my gun safe is an 8mm German Mauser that shoots 7.92 x 57mm 178 grain AP rounds. I also have the stripper clips for it so I can reload the 5 rounds very quickly. If I wanted to I could do far more damage with the 5 round Mauser than with my 30 round AR. The Mauser could probably stop a semi with one or two shots to the engine block. I have shot through an engine block before going through both fenders and I was unable to locate the round after. The Mauser could easily take down numerous people with one round if they were lined up.

I an almost 50 and grew up around guns and never once have I felt the desire to shoot any person unlike what the Libs would believe.

27 posted on 12/28/2012 6:57:28 AM PST by SledgeCS (Good Men Died. Obama Lied. Impeach the LYING COWARD!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I notice their "reasonable discussion" does not include allowing comments on the article.

Look, people, this is simple: one of two things will happen: nothing, or war.

On the one hand, the Left probably won't get what it wants on gun control (Obama's "Blue Ribbon Commission" will be ignored just like the "Deficit Commission"), but that doesn't keep them from screaming into their echo chamber. They will keep publishing ignorant editorials like this, but no gun control legislation will be passed at the Federal level.

And, if they get what they want at the Federal level -- the Feinstein bill -- I will resist, and I pray God, millions of other patriotic Americans will resist, too. This time, it will be confiscation, and we will resist. That resistance will necessarily escalate into a civil war.

28 posted on 12/28/2012 7:06:02 AM PST by backwoods-engineer ("Remember: Evil exists because good men don't kill the gov officials committing it." -- K. Hoffmann)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What we need right now is reasonable discussion and reasonable compromise...

Hey, here's a discussion:

Come for my guns and this shit is ON.

Is that reasonable enough for you to get your little Marxist mind around the concept?

F you and F your compromise.

29 posted on 12/28/2012 7:24:39 AM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Whose children will not feel frightened about going to school, after learning of this disaster? Which children will not have occasional nightmares now?”

I kinda wondered about this myself. It was disturbing to me to see parents carrying there 5year old and younger children to these memorials and “vigils” for the victims of this horrible crime. The victims weren’t protected. At least the children who weren’t killed could be. But no, mom has to drag the kids out to see what a horrible and dangerous world it is.

I know some here will differ.


30 posted on 12/28/2012 7:31:17 AM PST by saleman (!!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

THE REAL GOAL OF GUN REGISTRATION.

Nelson T. ‘Pete’ Shields
Founder of Handgun Control, Inc.

“I’m convinced that we have to have federal legislation to build on. We’re going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily — given the political realities — going to be very modest. Of course, it’s true that politicians will then go home and say, ‘This is a great law. The problem is solved.’ And it’s also true that such statements will tend to defuse the gun-control issue for a time.

So then we’ll have to strengthen that law, and then again to strengthen that law, and maybe again and again. Right now, though, we’d be satisfied not with half a loaf but with a slice. Our ultimate goal — total control of handguns in the United States — is going to take time. My estimate is from seven to ten years.

The problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns sold in this country. The second problem is to get them all registered. And the final problem is to make the possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition — except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors — totally illegal.”

-Pete Shields, Chairman and founder, Handgun Control Inc., “A Reporter At Large: Handguns,” The New Yorker, July 26, 1976, 57-58


31 posted on 12/28/2012 8:06:27 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (REOPEN THE CLOSED MENTAL INSTITUTIONS! Damn the ACLU!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

From the he article;

***”... to re-instate bans on the rapid fire, semi-automatic “assault weapons,” a prior law that expired in 2004.”***

It has always been about handguns. Assault rifles is just a decoy to try and get their anti-gun foot in the door.

Once they get a ban on AWs then they will use the same reasons to go after handguns.

John Kennedy killed with a 5 shot bolt action rifle.

Bobby Kennedy killed with a .22 Iver Johnson Cadet revolver.

George Wallace wounded with a 5 shot Charter Arms .38spl.

Gerald Ford attacked with a 7 shot 1911 semi auto.

Edmond OK post office with two National Guard 7 shot 1911 pistols.

Ronald Reagan and Jim Brady shot with an RG-14 .22 pistol.

Ronald Gene Simmons killed his family and neighbors...H&R .22 revolver and a Ruger .22 revolver. Also used a strangling cord and two hammers.

What do they all have in common? NONE over 9 rounds, yet after each one came a cry of panic to ban them.

DON’T FALL FOR THE BAIT!


32 posted on 12/28/2012 8:11:15 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (REOPEN THE CLOSED MENTAL INSTITUTIONS! Damn the ACLU!)
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To: elcid1970

The WILL make it a crime, but that doesn’t mean you have to raise your hand and offer them up. They’ll have a tough time getting all the 4473s, I think, and they have no earthly idea about private sales.


33 posted on 12/28/2012 8:55:12 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: CPOSharky

He was already a convicted felon? Hadn’t heard that. You have a link?


34 posted on 12/28/2012 10:23:23 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Gaffer

0bammy’s home turf of chicago just marked its 500th murder of the year.
We might ask:
How many of the weapons used would not be covered by the proposal?

How many of the perpetrators were already known to the police?

What is the ‘cultural background’ of the perps?


35 posted on 12/28/2012 2:24:12 PM PST by John Galt's cousin (WTF? We couldn't rescue four men in Benghazi? Is our military IMPOTENT? ( /s ))
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