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I'm with Piers Morgan on US gun control (Another Brit sounds off on US Constitution)
The Manchester Guardian ^ | December 28, 2012 | Deborah Orr

Posted on 12/29/2012 12:52:53 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Morgan has enraged US extremists with his calls for gun control – but their defence of the right to bear arms in the face of senseless slaughter is abhorrent.

You'd imagine Americans already had plenty of reasons to take against Piers Morgan. But it wasn't until he tackled the second amendment that matters got tricky for him. A petition is demanding Morgan be deported because he had the temerity to suggest, in the wake of the Newtown mass child murders, that the US could use a little gun control.

It's hard to resist cheap jokes about Morgan. Indeed, many in Britain have said they don't want him back. But it's the people who brush aside any degree of senseless slaughter in defence of their right to bear arms that are the joke...

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; piersmorgan; sandyhook; secondamendment; uk
Imagine if one of us had an opinion on their miserable little island and their laws.
1 posted on 12/29/2012 12:53:00 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So much for saving their butts from tyranny.....twice


2 posted on 12/29/2012 12:58:13 AM PST by A_Former_Democrat (Elections do have consequences, young people of America)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

Brits truly don’t get the second amendment. I’ve tried. They can’t wrap their heads around it. There is a fear there that’s frankly unmerited.


3 posted on 12/29/2012 1:03:54 AM PST by CaspersGh0sts
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To: A_Former_Democrat

The Guardian is a lefty paper.
Don’t take it too seriously, it punches with the weight of a drunk Duck.


4 posted on 12/29/2012 1:06:52 AM PST by moose07 (the truth will out ,one day. I'm off to the edge of the World to Scream, be back later.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Imagine if one of us had an opinion on their miserable little island and their laws.
Many British suffer from a superiority complex which comes from being royal subjects. They feel that by extension from the British crown, that their opinions and viewpoints are above all others.
5 posted on 12/29/2012 1:23:32 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: A_Former_Democrat
So much for saving their butts from tyranny.....twice
You won't get much gratitude. The common perception there is that America joined in the war late... twice.
6 posted on 12/29/2012 1:28:50 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: CaspersGh0sts

They are hoplophobic, that is the term you are looking for.


7 posted on 12/29/2012 1:32:39 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: CaspersGh0sts
I'm Afraid of Americans
8 posted on 12/29/2012 1:33:49 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Oh my gosh that is hilarious! The Brit, Deborah Orr, ends her piece bashing America's Second Amendment with the sentence, "That's the funny thing about the US – without its deluded self-righteousness, it'd be perfect."

BAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!HAAAAA! Oh thats some beautiful irony! Seriously, her posts should come with a fatuity warning.

9 posted on 12/29/2012 2:12:16 AM PST by Casie (Chuck Norris 2016)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
That's the funny thing about the US – without its deluded self-righteousness, it'd be perfect.

Just like merry old England?

Why the heck do you think we fought and won two wars against you? So we WOULDN'T be like merry old England!

10 posted on 12/29/2012 2:54:56 AM PST by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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To: A_Former_Democrat
So much for saving their butts from tyranny.....twice

Yeah. We gathered thousands of personal firearms and sent them over to help in the Home Defence. Finally, they collected these firearms back from the citizenry and crushed them to obliteration in grateful appreciation to our gesture.

Thank you, John Bull(s**t).

(Been there, saw them, believe it --)

11 posted on 12/29/2012 2:57:55 AM PST by imardmd1 (An armed society is a polite society -- but dangerous for the fool --)
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To: Casie

The Brits already lost their country and what tiny freedom they had, to sharia law and Islamist hegemony.

The USA is merely threatened once again by old fashioned nationalist socialist totalitarians and communist Marxists bankrupting the country, ruining the economy, and attempting to destroy our bill of rights. We citizens have the means to recover, theirs don’t.


12 posted on 12/29/2012 2:58:24 AM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: A_Former_Democrat

How soon they forget.


13 posted on 12/29/2012 3:37:37 AM PST by sauropod (I will not comply)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t care who you’re with, Debby, it’s not your Constitution.


14 posted on 12/29/2012 3:52:29 AM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Morgan has enraged US extremists with his calls for gun control – but their defence of the right to bear arms in the face of senseless slaughter is abhorrent”

Proving, yet again, the Brits just don’t get it.

As Barry Goldwater quoted in his 1964 Acceptance speech:

“Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice; moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.” Cicero


15 posted on 12/29/2012 4:21:31 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Still seeking change.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The last time the Brits came for our guns, it didn’t turn out so well for them. Piers, how about we hold a debate on Lexington Green with a follow-up presser at Concord Bridge? I’m free on April 19th, how about you?


16 posted on 12/29/2012 4:37:24 AM PST by NonValueAdded (If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, you've likely misread the situation.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This seriously has to be one of the worst informed pieces of “journalism” ever to come to print. Every point she tries to make she’s just 100% wrong on. She’s assembled a straw man to argue against that’s just a flat out bale of hay.

What an idiot.


17 posted on 12/29/2012 4:45:36 AM PST by risen_feenix
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The violent crime rate in Britain is FOUR TIMES that of the US. Ain’t gun control great?


18 posted on 12/29/2012 4:47:12 AM PST by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

WTF is Deborah Orr and why should I be concerned about her opinion on the US Constitution?


19 posted on 12/29/2012 4:50:19 AM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

(Morgan has enraged US extremists with his calls for gun control)
Incorrect. That sorry sack of crap has enraged American Citizens with his loud mouth arrogant hatred of our Constitutional Rights.
I am a former Police Officer, Veteran, a Christian and have never been arrested for anything in my life. I pay my taxes and support several charities. As an American I strongly support the US Constitution.
But I guess that makes me an extremists to you!


20 posted on 12/29/2012 5:12:39 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It is not rocket surgery....

They are subjects to the crown

We are subjects to ourselves, individually without apology.

Screw them

21 posted on 12/29/2012 5:15:45 AM PST by SERE_DOC ( “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” TJ.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I won't give the Guardian a hit but I was struck by this excerpt: the US could use a little gun control. Only a person totally ignorant of the U.S. would write such a thing.
22 posted on 12/29/2012 5:23:33 AM PST by OldPossum
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The trollop....

23 posted on 12/29/2012 5:26:08 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

WTF cares what Brits think? They live on a frigging island, soon to be overrun by subhuman, murderous fascist muzzie filth and marxist morons!


24 posted on 12/29/2012 6:20:39 AM PST by carriage_hill (Have A Happy & Healthy New Year!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

“The common perception there is that America joined in the war late... twice.”

Actually, that is indeed the sentiment across the pond. While they are grateful for our participation, they are of the firm belief that by the time we joined the party they had already done all the heavy lifting, and that we came riding in at the end and claimed the glory. They truly do believe that.


25 posted on 12/29/2012 6:22:16 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Cheaper than Dirt: Price Gouging Extraordinaires

Under free enterprise, Cheaper than Dirt has every right to charge what they want for their products.

And we have every right to advertise their price gouging to Americans, so they may make an informed decision about doing business with that company in the future.

http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=4330


26 posted on 12/29/2012 6:33:03 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I wonder how often they think of the fact that the WAR FOR INDEPENDANCE was fought with PRIVATE firearms.

There was no guns to issue to them so they used their own.

If the war was lost the signers of the Declaration of Independence would be killed for treason against the crown.

Their lives depended on the use of privately owned firearms and people then think they wrote the 2 amendment so the state could control guns.

No way they knew the individual citizen needed arms.

27 posted on 12/29/2012 6:37:38 AM PST by mouser (Run the rats out its the only chance we have)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Nice, invite a guest into your home, he pees on the carpet in front of you and then blames you for it. Time for both of these creeps to be kicked out or made so uncomfortable that they are compelled to leave on their own.


28 posted on 12/29/2012 6:43:56 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: ez
Message to all Brits complaining about the U.S.: "STFU and go to hell."


29 posted on 12/29/2012 6:45:03 AM PST by Lockbar (Quality factory loaded ammunition ---- The New Gold)
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To: CaspersGh0sts
They can’t wrap their heads around it.

You can attriburte that to centruies of being subjects as opposed to citizens.

30 posted on 12/29/2012 6:48:23 AM PST by tbpiper
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To: Lockbar

Ha ha. How about “I knew there was a reason we booted you out the last time.”


31 posted on 12/29/2012 6:50:50 AM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: carriage_hill

‘....soon to be overrun by subhuman, murderous fascist muzzie filth and marxist morons”

Britain might have done better under the Nazis, who regarded Germans & English as racial kin. Muzzies hate all who are not muzzies.

(hope to provoke discussion, not flaming....)


32 posted on 12/29/2012 6:59:09 AM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Last I checked, we fought a war against the British a couple of centuries ago because we didn’t particularly like their way of doing things. If they don’t like our gun laws, by all means, they’re more than welcome to stay on or go back to their little island.


33 posted on 12/29/2012 7:05:47 AM PST by VOR78
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To: Berlin_Freeper

“’So much for saving their butts from tyranny.....twice’

“You won’t get much gratitude. The common perception there is that America joined in the war late... twice.”

I suspect they need not worry that we will save them a third time. They really are no longer worth saving, if they ever were.


34 posted on 12/29/2012 8:14:50 AM PST by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Britain has a huge gun crime problem, even though guns are illegal, and it has a much higher overall murder rate than the US.

That's why Piers refuses to talk about anything other than the gun-murder rate.

35 posted on 12/29/2012 8:53:42 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism." --Vladimir Lenin)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Uh, Ms. Slut Lady? You DO remember that this is the country you always go begging to for arms, both military and personal, every time you’re about to get overrun by National Socialists and their ilk? You don’t? Oh, that’s right, I guess you were edumacated in pubic screwls. Never mind.


36 posted on 12/29/2012 9:53:02 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Cincinnatus.45-70; Berlin_Freeper
I suspect they need not worry that we will save them a third time. They really are no longer worth saving, if they ever were.

Not only are they probably not worth saving, but they've become so brainwashed by the Marxists, they're no longer capable of seeing their way of life as being under attack. Oh well.

37 posted on 12/29/2012 9:55:45 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Morgan has enraged US extremists...”

Notice how they start right off with a lie? In asserting that the vast *majority* of Americans who own guns are “extremists”. There are far more Americans that own guns than there are British citizens (62.6m).

As such, those vocal opponents of gun liberty in Britain are themselves extremists. And ones who lack such insights as an understanding of cause and effect, or even basic pattern recognition.

So they are not just extremists, but defective ones.


38 posted on 12/29/2012 10:28:03 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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