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Tread on Me: The Case for Freedom From Terrorist Bombings, School Shootings and Exploding Factories
Time Magazine ^ | April 23, 2013 | Michael Grunwald

Posted on 04/23/2013 2:26:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

We’re often told that our liberties are under assault. The right warns that our Big Government nanny state is plotting to seize our guns and our Big Gulps, while strangling our economic freedom with taxes and regulations. The left rails against our Big Government security state—the drone warfare, indefinite detention and electronic surveillance that make the war on terror sound like an Orwellian nightmare. The National Rifle Association had just finished bellowing about background checks violating our Second Amendment rights when the American Civil Liberties Union started shrieking about the FBI violating the Boston bombing suspect’s Miranda rights.

America was born from resistance to tyranny, and our skepticism of authority is a healthy tradition. But we’re pretty free. And the Don’t Tread on Me slippery-slopers on both ends of the political spectrum tend to forget that Big Government helps protect other important rights. Like the right of a child to watch a marathon or attend first grade without getting massacred—or, for that matter, the right to live near a fertilizer factory without it blowing up your house.

Our government needs to balance these rights, which is tough sometimes. But not always. Requiring gun owners to pass background checks and restricting access to high-capacity magazines would be a minuscule price to pay to help avoid future Newtowns and Auroras.....

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TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; banglist; boston; bostonmassacre; govtabuse; guncontrol; islam; jihad; secondamendment; terrorism; tyranny; wot
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
1 posted on 04/23/2013 2:26:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

That about says it all. End of thread.

2 posted on 04/23/2013 2:31:48 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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>> Requiring gun owners to pass background checks and restricting access to high-capacity magazines would be a minuscule price to pay to help avoid future Newtowns and Auroras.

Seems like an awfully big price to pay for not preventing another Aurora or Newtown, though.

SnakeDoc

3 posted on 04/23/2013 2:32:43 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
And the Don’t Tread on Me slippery-slopers on both ends of the political spectrum tend to forget that Big Government helps protect other important rights. Like the right of a child to watch a marathon or attend first grade without getting massacred—or, for that matter, the right to live near a fertilizer factory without it blowing up your house. Our government needs to balance these rights, which is tough sometimes. But not always. Requiring gun owners to pass background checks and restricting access to high-capacity magazines would be a minuscule price to pay to help avoid future Newtowns and Auroras.....

The "right" not to be shot at school or blown up at a a marathon is an expectation and a goal, not a right. This is classic 1984 NewSpeak, where they redefine words in an attempt to twist or confuse the issue. Requiring gun owners to pass a "background check" is another Orwellism, since the check includes the make, model, and serial number of the weapon as a back door path to registration. Leftists live by lying, and I'm thoroughly tired of it.

4 posted on 04/23/2013 2:33:06 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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Reasonable people would profile. Muslims commit most terrorist activity, and blacks commit most crime. Of course young men from those groups should be scrutinized more closely.


5 posted on 04/23/2013 2:36:34 PM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi
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It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.


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6 posted on 04/23/2013 2:38:56 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And this is the road to serfdom.


7 posted on 04/23/2013 2:41:43 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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Dear Time, They used pressure cookers you idiots.


8 posted on 04/23/2013 2:42:43 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SnakeDoctor; All

“Requiring gun owners to pass background checks and restricting access to high-capacity magazines would be a minuscule price to pay to help avoid future Newtowns and Auroras.”

It is an enormous price in Constitutional government for those who took an oath to defend it.

It is a minuscule price for those who hate limited government and despise the right to bear arms.


9 posted on 04/23/2013 2:43:39 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Our government needs to balance these rights, which is tough sometimes

Government HAS NO AUTHORITY to 'balance' (meaning to restrict in the name of security)our Rights which are God-granted and not within their authority to tamper with outside of an Amendment process prescribed in the Supreme Law of the Land.

Even then, God-ordained rights such as life, liberty, self defense and the pursuit of happiness are not within the jurisdiction of men to take or restrict.

This author is your typical Marxofascist boot-licking stooge. Franklin's quote again, which seems to be the quote of the day given what Bloomturd said yesterday.

10 posted on 04/23/2013 2:44:14 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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I’ll take my chances with Newtowns and Auroras.
Not one more inch.


11 posted on 04/23/2013 2:45:17 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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Enforce the friggin' gun laws that are already on the books! Start with outlaw city gang-bangers whose arsenals consist of mostly stolen or already-illegal weapons.

Pay attention when psychiatrists notify LEO that certain individuals may be dangerous JAMES HOLMES and keep track of Loony-Tunes like the nutcase who shot Gabby Giffords. We don't need new laws; we need real law enforcement!

12 posted on 04/23/2013 2:47:03 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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I guess you could call me a statist.

Really, Michael? Why would I do that?

Our rights are not inviolate.

Oh. That's why.

There really isn't very much common ground on which to debate this sort of individual. Here's someone who did:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

That's the relationship between citizen and government in this country, Michael. We don't get the rights the government allows us, and they can't take them away without risking being altered or abolished. And it isn't unreasonable to be firm in the defense of fundamental civil rights. If you want to adjust them, amend the Constitution.

13 posted on 04/23/2013 2:52:35 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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14 posted on 04/23/2013 3:07:21 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

old joke:

Look is for people who can’t read

Time is for people who can’t think

some things never change


15 posted on 04/23/2013 3:40:09 PM PDT by Psiman (PS I am not a crackpot)
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The left rails against our Big Government security state—the drone warfare, indefinite detention and electronic surveillance

where? when? I must have missed Martin Basheer and Chrissy Tingleg bemoaning this.

16 posted on 04/23/2013 3:47:15 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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All their “railing” ended on January 21st of 2009, as I recall.


17 posted on 04/23/2013 3:49:30 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Psiman

Look it is time for Bomb Free Zones, yea that’s the ticket. After all, look how well the Gun Free Zones work. /s


18 posted on 04/26/2013 8:34:30 AM PDT by Do the math (Doug)
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