Posted on 04/23/2013 5:44:26 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
My children have long been urging me to give them in a short story my experience in the Battle of Gettysburg. I was then a girl of thirteen, living on the Seminary Ridge which today is known to every child who studies the history of the Civil War.
I shall never forget the June afternoon when I stood on the Seminary steps with my parents and other persons to see a Confederate host marching in the Chambersburg Pike. It seemed as if Pandemonium had broken loose. A more ragged and unkempt set of men would be hard to find. Many wore parts of Union soldiers’ suits which, I suppose, had been picked up on the field of battle, or had been discarded by our men. A squad from the main body was sent over to the Seminary to find out whether any Yankee soldiers were concealed there. After the investigators were informed that the building was a theological school edifice, a guard, was placed around it, and we felt perfectly safe. I do not think any property was destroyed at that time, excepting a few cars containing government supplies, which were burned and also the railroad bridge, a short distance from the town. Early the following morning our unwelcome guests took their departure for the purpose, they said, of capturing Baltimore and Washington. Shortly after the enemy left our place, we were made glad by seeing regiment after regiment of our own men come and encamp around us. We gave them a royal welcome.
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Quote please?
Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler Volume Two - The National Socialist Movement Chapter X: Federalism as a Mask
What is a Confederacy? By a Confederacy we mean a union of sovereign states which of their own free will and in virtue of their sovereignty come together and create a collective unit, ceding to that unit as much of their own sovereign rights as will render the existence of the union possible and will guarantee it.
But the theoretical formula is not wholly put into practice by any confederacy that exists today. And least of all by the American Union, where it is impossible to speak of original sovereignty in regard to the majority of the states. Many of them were not included in the federal complex until long after it had been established. The states that make up the American Union are mostly in the nature of territories, more or less, formed for technical administrative purposes, their boundaries having in many cases been fixed in the mapping office. Originally these states did not and could not possess sovereign rights of their own. Because it was the Union that created most of the so-called states. Therefore the sovereign rights, often very comprehensive, which were left, or rather granted, to the various territories correspond not only to the whole character of the Confederation but also to its vast space, which is equivalent to the size of a Continent. Consequently, in speaking of the United States of America one must not consider them as sovereign states but as enjoying rights or, better perhaps, autarchic powers, granted to them and guaranteed by the Constitution.
I asked a couple of logical questions, and asked for evidence. In return you started calling names.
cva probably meant Marx - something he heard one of the other neo-confeds assert.
Dude I am not going to spend another minute teaching you history. You can pay me $70/hour. My going rate.
Read post 62, you probably agree with everything the Fuhrer wrote. I see no difference in the position Hitler takes in Mein Kampf and yours regarding the Confederacy.
You would think that someone who worships at the altar of Jefferson Davis could keep his despots straight.
Be that as it may I'm still looking forward to that Hitler quote showing his admiration of Lincoln. When are you going to provide it?
Of course you wouldn’t
You said: “Hitler hated ... the Confederacy and was a fan of Lincoln.”
Prove it.
Your quote from MK says nothing of the kind. Merely a somewhat incoherent discussion of the definition of a Confederacy. Which the United States never claimed to be. In fact, if I remember correctly, the Constitutional Convention held very largely because the pre-existing Confederacy wasn’t working too well.
The USA was a federal republic, a very different pot of pisces.
I am citing The Real Lincoln(2002) DiLorenzo. You can read it for yourself and draw your own conclusions. With regards to the confederacy I see no daylight between Hitler’s stated position in book 10 and the neo unionists in Free Republic. See post 62.
Agreeing with Hitler again. Hey your jack boots arrive yet?
You're just saying it and leaving it there. If you want to cite DiLorenzo then cite him. Provide the quote, give the page and source. That's citing. If you were in college and put in a paper "Hitler admired Lincoln" and gave as your footnote "Read it somewhere in DiLorenzo. Go look it up if you don't believe me" then you would deserve the poor grade you would get.
That Hitler believed in a position does not of itself make that position wrong.
Hitler hated commies and loved dogs. Should we therefore all join the Communist Party and shoot the neighbor’s dog?
Hitler’s discussion of the relative relationship of US states and the federal government is not particularly learned. But it’s nevertheless closer to reality than the delusions of the CSA.
If he was in college and cited dilorenzo he’d be laughed out of the classroom.
Instead of the tangential argument, lets discuss post 62 and tell me where you disagree with Hitler’s position on the Confederacy.
Read the quote. According to Rauschning, Hitler was quite a fan of the Confederacy.
At the time he wrote, 35 of the 48 states had been created by the Union under the Constitution and the federal laws. Not exactly examples of pre-existing sovereignty, some part of which was conditionally delegated to the Union.
I am sure you think Gore Vidal’s Lincoln was fact based. I’ve read both. I read both sides.
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