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Next Time, the NRA Will Lose
The Daily Beast's Politics Beast ^ | May 2, 2013 | Michael Tomasky

Posted on 05/02/2013 4:14:09 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

How stupid does the Senate background-check vote look now, I ask the pundits and others who thought it was dumb politics for Obama and the Democrats to push for a vote that they obviously knew they were going to lose. I’d say not very stupid at all. The nosedive taken in the polls by a number of senators who voted against the bill, most of them in red states, makes public sentiment here crystal clear. And now, for the first time since arguably right after the Reagan assassination attempt—a damn long time, in other words—legislators in Washington are feeling political heat on guns that isn’t coming from the NRA. This bill will come back to the Senate, maybe before the August recess, and it already seems possible and maybe even likely to have 60 votes next time.

You’ve seen the poll results showing at least five senators who voted against the Manchin-Toomey bill losing significant support. Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire is the only one of the five from a blue state, so it’s probably not surprising that she lost the most, 15 points. But Lisa Murkowski in Alaska lost about as much in net terms. Alaska’s other senator, Democrat Mark Begich, lost about half that. Republicans Rob Portman of Ohio and Jeff Flake of Arizona also tumbled.

Egad. Could it possibly be that those pre-vote polls of all these states by Mayor Bloomberg’s group were ... right? All the clever people pooh-poohed them, because, well, they were done by Mayors Against Illegal Guns, and because it just seemed impossible that 70 percent of people from a red state could support the bill. But the polls were evidently right, or at least a lot closer to right than the brilliant minds who laughed at Joe Manchin and Pat Toomey....

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TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: banglist; bloomberg; congress; democrats; guncontrol; harryreid; maig; nra; palin; polls; rinos; secondamendment; squishes; talkradio
BTW, this guy is arguably to the left of Michael Moore, Gnome Chomsky, Cindy Sheehan, Gary Younge and Mr. Obama, just for reference.
1 posted on 05/02/2013 4:14:09 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What alternate reality is this guy living in?


2 posted on 05/02/2013 4:16:52 AM PDT by MestaMachine
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Desperate screeching due to the fact that reality is intruding on their fantasy.


3 posted on 05/02/2013 4:17:28 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

From wiki:
Michael Tomasky (born 1960) is a liberal American columnist, journalist and author. He is the editor in chief of Democracy, a special correspondent for Newsweek / The Daily Beast, a contributing editor for The American Prospect, and a contributor to The New York Review of Books.


4 posted on 05/02/2013 4:19:42 AM PDT by V_TWIN (obama=where there's smoke, there's mirrors)
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To: MestaMachine

If anything, RINO Senators like mine (Chambliss) caught hell for their vote for it. Got my obligatory form letter from him after I called him a traitor. It said, “I support gun rights blah blah blah....I support the second amendment blah blah blah, but I voted for universal background checks to stop crazy people from getting guns....blah blah blah.

One big ass effing traitor. Isakson, too. Chambliss is already gone (retired in place and will do a lot of damage). Isakson follows lock step. I’m gonna primary him when he’s up for re-election, or vote for his opponent in the general. NO MORE EFFING RINOs.


5 posted on 05/02/2013 4:21:03 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Next Time, the NRA Will Lose

I wouldn't put money on that.

6 posted on 05/02/2013 4:25:36 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: MestaMachine
What alternate reality is this guy living in?

The same reality that makes Mooch-elle think her ass is slender and that Kenyan-born goofus she married is a Christian.

They live in parallel universes . . . incredibly out of touch.

7 posted on 05/02/2013 4:25:57 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: cripplecreek

I admire the fact that the Left does not abandon their wounded comrades, and they do not accept defeat.

In the case of “gun control”, they had a very expensive AstroTurf operation all ready to go, targeting Senators who voted “no” on Manchin-Toomey. It’s very impressive how they have deployed OFA drones all over New Hampshire (accompanied by NYT reporters, of course) to harass Kelly Ayotte everywhere she goes.

We have nothing like this.


8 posted on 05/02/2013 4:29:16 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: MestaMachine

Well if you tell a big enough lie long enough people might start believing it.


9 posted on 05/02/2013 4:35:10 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Hey, TomASSky! Over here:

Quinnipiac: Most Disapprove of Obama Gun Policy

10 posted on 05/02/2013 4:36:37 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

11 posted on 05/02/2013 4:37:01 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Jim Noble

To our defense, we aren’t despicable enough to pay relatives of those killed by gun violence to fly around the country to heckle senators.


12 posted on 05/02/2013 4:37:10 AM PDT by HawkHogan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Wanna Bet ?
13 posted on 05/02/2013 4:38:19 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

With the huge amount of guns and ammo sold in the past year I kinda think those who want to protect their Second Amendment rights will continue to win. Those who go after them will be unemployed.


14 posted on 05/02/2013 4:39:51 AM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Next Time, the NRA Will Lose

don’t scoff...the left loves to chip away at our freedoms

remember

“Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty"

(often attributed to Thomas Jefferson)

15 posted on 05/02/2013 4:49:26 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight,, he'll just kill you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

Make no mistake, they are pushing to have the government in control of our basic civil rights such as the right of self-defense.

As usual, the Proppressives are playing with words and lies to disguise what they are doing – Schumer came out and said his goal was the precursor to Confiscation – Universal Registration.

With Universal Registration, the government will be in control of the second amendment and the rest of your civil rights.

After they attain that control they can move on to pushing their ‘Assault Weapon’ Scam and any other disarmament schemes they can hatch at their leisure.

This is why they continue to push this – it’s the whole enchilada for them.


16 posted on 05/02/2013 5:27:42 AM PDT by Voice of Reason1 (Absolute power corrupts absolutely Lord Acton 1887)
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To: Jim Noble
We have nothing like this.

We don't need to create an illusion. In fact, that's part of the problem for the left. They spend so much time creating illusions that they begin to believe their own lies and when they collapse they can't accept reality.
17 posted on 05/02/2013 5:30:50 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Remember when this crap first came up these same people were saying an assault weapons ban and magazine reduction was a sure thing given Sandy Hook....they just can't accept the reality of the situation!!!!
18 posted on 05/02/2013 5:35:04 AM PDT by ontap
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To: HawkHogan

Just last week one of our local left leaning moderate newspaper columnists warned that the left was making a big mistake in pursuing the 90% lie.

He pointed out that plenty of liberals own guns including himself and he knows the facts don’t match the rhetoric coming from the left. He called it insulting to be treated like he was too stupid to recognize the lie.


19 posted on 05/02/2013 5:39:08 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Voice of Reason1; ontap; Vaquero
Someone please show me how they are going to round-up and confiscate 500 million firearms and trillions of rounds of ammunition from 330 million people. All the armies, law enforcement personnel and paramilitary forces in the world, even if they were magically transported to America and given rudimentary, pidgin English lessons, couldn't do it in a determined effort of 100 years. PERIOD. The only way that the democrats, squishes and other gun-grabbers could get those guns is for the public to voluntarily turn them in, en masse such as happened in Australia and England. Do you really see Americans complying with that, to any degree?
20 posted on 05/02/2013 5:42:24 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

His political analysis is that as time moves voters further from the emotional event that may have driven over reaction, that pressure will increase on those who did not cave last time.

Brilliant!

Just Brilliant!


21 posted on 05/02/2013 5:42:42 AM PDT by G Larry (Darkness Hates the Light)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

agreed they will face a daunting task taking all Americas weapons.

but the point is to NOT let it get to that point.

we need to fight from the get go...in the Senate, in the house.


22 posted on 05/02/2013 5:46:10 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight,, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero
we need to fight from the get go...in the Senate, in the house. And then in the streets, in the countryside, from the rooftops,etc.
23 posted on 05/02/2013 5:52:38 AM PDT by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: Vaquero

We need the republicans to stop fighting a perpetual defense and go on the offense.


24 posted on 05/02/2013 5:54:40 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The propagandists think they can yell loud enough to convince the senators and that the tide is turning and the voters that it is inevitable.


25 posted on 05/02/2013 6:01:18 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The source of this “news”, Public Policy Polling, is wholly owned and operated by the Democrat party.
Both the poll and the article are targeted attacks on the named senators and free advertising for the Democrats.


26 posted on 05/02/2013 6:02:34 AM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
You’ve seen the poll results showing at least five senators who voted against the Manchin-Toomey bill losing significant support.

Let's talk after the 2014 election, Mikey.

27 posted on 05/02/2013 6:08:54 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The problem all these leftists have is that they need a defined group to demonize.

They were terrified of the Tea Party at the beginning because the Tea Party was just folks coming out of everywhere and they could not define exactly who they were, or put a face on them.

Gun owners are like Tea Party and the left can’t admit why they lose this battle. They cannot understand that every gun owner is not NRA. Gun owners are just Americans of all walks exercising their 2nd amendment rights.

The left may be evil, but they are mostly made up of dimwits. They can’t do anything well except they are good at destruction of all they touch.


28 posted on 05/02/2013 6:11:38 AM PDT by dforest (I have now entered the Twilight Zone.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yeah, consider the leftist source. And of course, lefties haven’t yet figured out how to jigger the polling... < /sarc >


29 posted on 05/02/2013 6:12:28 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Someone please show me how they are going to round-up and confiscate 500 million firearms and trillions of rounds of ammunition from 330 million people.

Easy. Guns for food. You wanna eat?

All the armies, law enforcement personnel and paramilitary forces in the world, even if they were magically transported to America and given rudimentary, pidgin English lessons, couldn't do it in a determined effort of 100 years. PERIOD.

How many of those millions of gun owners have two years worth of food and can keep it safe from their starving neighbors, 24/7?

30 posted on 05/02/2013 6:56:06 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: Carry_Okie

All the Mormons, preppers, country folk, etc.


31 posted on 05/02/2013 6:58:38 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Gaffer

Our traitorous Senators from Georgia would explain that their vote to end the filibuster was a “strategic” vote. They wanted to force Democrats go on record as supporting the incredibly unpopular (despite what they claim their push-poll shows) bill.

I would rather make sure that crap like that doesn’t make it to the Senate floor.


32 posted on 05/02/2013 7:25:36 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
All the Mormons, preppers, country folk, etc.

You're not thinking well. "Mormons, preppers, country folk" have to sleep, nearly always in a spot without backup. I said 24-7 for two years.

That's what the "well regulated militia" is all about: "well regulated" means they get regular practice and sustain an organizational architecture that takes appropriate measures for logistical support. While for decades Americans did maintain their vigilance, we don't do that any more in significant numbers. It's reality. Believe it or not, it's also Biblical.

33 posted on 05/02/2013 7:29:34 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: cripplecreek

For the most part the rep party is a bunch of pansy@$$es


34 posted on 05/02/2013 8:02:42 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight,, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Little Ray

Yep....they will also come back here and say “I voted for it before I voted against it” or “I voted only for the important one” or “I voted no on the really important one”

They are both traitors to Conservatives, Georgia and to this nation. They aren’t Americans; they are Politicians.


35 posted on 05/02/2013 8:03:42 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: V_TWIN

In other words, he is a homosexual loving, communist loving, anti-Christian, anti-American, punk. Did I get that right?


36 posted on 05/02/2013 8:06:05 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 13-17. That about covers it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The MSM is pushing big lie and Goebling public opinions.

No opposition voices allowed.

No exposing bloomberg propaganda money.

BTW BLOOMBERG HAS NOT SPENT ONE SINGLE DIME TO ACTUALLY PAY FOR SECURITY AT SCHOOLS. Bloomberg is only waiting for the next death to pounce like a vulture eating carrion.

Nanny Bloomberg wants blood, needs blood, will have blood by design.


37 posted on 05/02/2013 8:06:23 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: RetiredArmy

Sounds right to me.


38 posted on 05/02/2013 8:10:14 AM PDT by V_TWIN (obama=where there's smoke, there's mirrors)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What the hell is this moron yammering about? Are they running polls now like elections, where Democrats get five votes each?


39 posted on 05/02/2013 9:54:42 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This guy is seriously divorced from reality.


40 posted on 05/07/2013 12:56:00 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: Carry_Okie; 2ndDivisionVet
‘Standing Your Ground’ on your front porch is not a viable option in the coming conflict. If you wait for the thugs to come to you, you will lose.

Once confiscation starts, many folks will no longer show up for work or go home. A guerrilla war will then be active and hot. Not sure how it'll land, but that's war.

41 posted on 05/07/2013 9:07:40 AM PDT by appalachian_dweller (Live each day as if it's your last. It might be.)
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To: appalachian_dweller
Once confiscation starts, many folks will no longer show up for work or go home. A guerrilla war will then be active and hot. Not sure how it'll land, but that's war.

Exactly. At that point preparation of logistical support is what it will all be about. that's the Biblical part.

42 posted on 05/07/2013 10:25:31 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: MestaMachine

One might say that if things get rough he will cry alot and look for someone with a gun to protect his candy a##


43 posted on 06/17/2013 3:44:41 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (yesterdays conspiracies are todays truths)
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